Illyrian Language - An Insight into a Lesser Known Indo-European Language

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🔍 Let's get stuck into the secrets of the Illyrian language with Learn Hittite! 📝
🗝️ Join us as we explore this ancient language, recently featured in a Roman army film, with insights from Croatian linguist Ranko Matasovic. Discover the challenges of studying Illyrian, attested through glosses and a handful of words.
📚 Dive into debates on its geographical reach, historical context, and connections to languages like Venetic and Messapic. Explore linguistic theories, from Illyro-Albanian links to the influence of Celtic.
🌐 Learn about a fascinating (but false) Illyrian inscription and gain glimpses of the language through glosses. We will also talk about Pan-Illyrism, which was a ‘fashion’ amongst linguists to throw anything looking indo-european that couldn’t be placed elsewhere into the category of ‘Illyrian’
🔍Find out how Matasovic approached creating Illyrian text for a film and the intriguing linguistic landscape. Don't miss our recommended articles for a deeper dive into Illyrian mysteries! 📖✨
📖 References and Selected Reading List:
⭐ Ligorio, O. (2023, November 16-18). The (Re)construction of Illyrian for the Motion Picture Illyricum. Fundamentals and Advances in Balkan Linguistics, Belgrade University.
⭐ Katicic, R. (1976). Part 1 Ancient Languages of the Balkans. Berlin, Boston: De Gruyter Mouton. doi.org/10.1515/9783111568874
⭐ Bidjin Laura, I., Matasović, R. i Matović, P. (2022). Prevođenje na latinski i ilirski jezik za film Illyricum. Latina et Graeca, 2 (42), 152-155. Preuzeto s hrcak.srce.hr/292044
Krahe, H. (1955-1964). Die Sprache der Illyrier, 2 vol. (Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz). Vol. 1: 1955; Vol. 2: 1964
Krahe, H. (1955-1964). Die Sprache der Illyrier, 2 vol. (Wiesbaden: Harrassowitz). Vol. 1: 1955; Vol. 2: 1964]
Russu I.I. (1969). Illirii; istoria - limba și onomastica - romanizarea [The Illyrians; history - language and onomastics - the Romanization](București: Editura Academiei).
Pokorny, J. (1938). Zur Urgeschichte der Kelten und Illyrier. Halle: Max Niemeyer.
Ognenov, L. (1958). Ilirskij nadpis ot severna Albanija [The Illyrian inscription from North Albania]. In Izsledvanija v cest na akademik D. Decev (Eds.: V. Beševliev - VI. Georgiev) (Sofija: Academy Press), 333-341.
Leonidas-Romanos Davranoglou, Aris Aristodemou, David Wesolowski, Alexandros Heraclides, (2023). Ancient DNA reveals the origins of the Albanians.bioRxiv 2023.06.05.543790
Gavranovic, M. (2007). Kontakte zwischen Zentralbosnien und Zentralitalien in der Spätbronzezeit. In Piceni ed Europa.
Heiermeier, A. M. (1952). “The British and Goidelic Element in Ireland”: Notes and Suggestions on T. F. O’Rahilly’s: Early Irish History and Mythology. The Journal of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, 82(1), 37-44. www.jstor.org/stable/25510805
Mesihović, S. (2023). Tajna natpisa broj 46417 / Secret of Inscription number 46417. University of Sarajevo. www.researchgate.net/publicat...
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#albania #albanianhistory

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@jeremycline9542 5 месяцев назад

Illyrian, Thracian, Scythian...seems like all three are claimed by various modern nation-states as ancestors. But how can we be sure?

@LearnHittite 5 месяцев назад

We can't be sure, at least in the case of Illyrian

@ginaibisi777 14 дней назад

@@LearnHittiteyeah right😂 how come only Albanians always clame that are the Illyrians and nobody has an idea where we come from. Did we just fall from the sky one night or were we there before all others 😂

@tiagorodrigues3730 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video! It seems like things are more or less about where they were when I was in college back around the year 2000 (although I was an Engineering major, so probably not the best position to know the latest and greatest in Indo-European studies). Regardless, these ancient minority languages which are scarcely attested are a dime a dozen, and Illyrian is one of the more important ones (for example, the languages of the Sea Peoples are even more of a mystery). I guess that save for a sudden discovery of a cache of Illyrian texts, this is where the state of the art will remain for the foreseeable future...

@harusha9020 Месяц назад

Fantastic video!

@LearnHittite Месяц назад

Glad you liked it!

@kkech1 5 месяцев назад

10:45 Deu a dai sounds to me like Dheu a dai, meaning Earth is heroic/noble. Or read back to front Dai i dheut, meaning ~Hero of Earth, or earthen hero. Dai is also pretty archaic and mostly used as an adjective nowadays, not as a name in itself. Dai also sounds like Dhi-a to me, meaning goat.

@henkstersmacro-world 4 месяца назад

👍👍👍 Interesting!!

@jakr9303 5 месяцев назад

Brilliant video. So, am I correct in my understanding that you more or less think Albanian should be considered it's descendant?

@LearnHittite 5 месяцев назад

The evidence is extremely limited so we have to bear that in mind but put it this way, if someone asked me for some reason to recreate a sentence in Illyrian - I'd do exactly what Matasovic did and base it on Albanian.

@jakr9303 5 месяцев назад

@@LearnHittite I lean this way myself. It also used to be widely thought that Albanian descended from Thracian, but, not sure how much of a thing that still is. Anyway, excellent work, thank you.

@historyofillyria2737 3 месяца назад

First fix map and then greek population never existed in balkan. All balkan were illyria

@davidaxelos4678 26 дней назад

@@historyofillyria2737First learn history!😂

@user-xs4rz6vp6w 5 месяцев назад

Sir , i like your videos really much. Could you consider making a video on the also mysterious Thracian or ancient Macedonian language ❤

@LearnHittite 5 месяцев назад

Thracian will be the second video in the new year! Expect it towards the end of January.

@user-xs4rz6vp6w 5 месяцев назад

@@LearnHittite thanks for your work sir. I will tell my friends about this channel.

@LearnHittite 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much for your support!

@walterht8083 5 месяцев назад

Do you know anything about Hurrian?

@LearnHittite 5 месяцев назад

A video on Hurrian will appear in the first week of the new year!

@valhalla-tupiniquim 8 дней назад

Excellent.

@fionadea 22 дня назад

Refer to Leibniz for albanian language Also the latest publication in Science journal which qualifies albanian, together with helenic and armenian languages, as more than 8000 years

@TheBegaj2005 4 месяца назад

Bardhyll king have 100% translate bardh-white yll-star whitestar

@LudwigWhitby 21 день назад

The Albanian connection is dubious to say the least. The small amount of words recorded makes it easy to swing the theory in any way you want. Just by using your own examples I can explain 'sica' with Slavic root word meaning 'to cut' *sěkti. 'Sabaia' can be explained with Slavic word for 'oat' *zobъ, being an oat-beer of sort. Edit: Sibina as spear can also be explained with South Slavic 'svib' meaning dogwood. Dogwood was widely used in the ancient world for spears and the 'v' in old Slavic was most likely pronounced as /w/ which is why it is often omitted in Greek writings.

@besnikillyrian8520 13 дней назад

Slavic ? Come on man , dont make the whole world foolish as you are

@theMAYORproblem 12 дней назад

Zašto ne učimo više o našim precima ilirima koji su živili ba ovim prostorima u školama nije mi jasno učimo o markomanima i latinima nije mi jasno?

@christopherellis2663 3 месяца назад

Nënë

@UnlimitedAspirations24 3 дня назад

@christopherellis2663 - That is Albanian so the word NANA that everyone uses for grandma in states is NOT Italian it IS ALBANIAN! So NËNË / NANË/ = NANA means mom in ALBANIAN ✌️

@davidscwimer1974 28 дней назад

It’s funny how nobody has been able to prove the Albanian Illyrian theory properly … everything is just conjecture

@UnlimitedAspirations24 3 дня назад

@davidscwimer1974- The word Illirian Is Albanian - that means Free or Some spell it Ylliri -in Albanian that mean Youngstar !! What more proof do u want !?

@davidscwimer1974 3 дня назад

@@UnlimitedAspirations24 how are you using modern Albanian written in an Italian alphabet to find a meaning of a word that was coined by the Greeks and then the romans 😂wake up 🔝

@pranveraohri1204 2 дня назад

@@davidscwimer1974 How were these words coined?Whats their etymology. An example please.If possible the etymology of the greek word FISIS and the latin NATURAE.Thank you.

@davidscwimer1974 2 дня назад

@@pranveraohri1204 Etymology: The name “Illyrian” is derived from “Illyrii,” which was the name used by the ancient Greeks and Romans to describe the people living in this region. It is not a modern Albanian name 😂 Show me how you come to the conclusion of what it means using modern Albanian … I love those !

@Kryptohan День назад

@@davidscwimer1974david stop hating accept the truth u look like 8 years old kid man come on little boy 😂

@user-xk4ug5du5z 2 месяца назад

The Albanian language has a strong resemblance to the Messapic language,Illyrian or not,it has ancient roots and its attested early.On the other hand there is absolutely no proof that the irish and scottish people descended from celts,as there is no recorded celtic migration in these lands,the celts were propably primitive tribes which spoke different languages and went extinct.But also the Illyrian ethnonym is wrong,because in these lands there were organised Kindoms such the Ardiaean Kingdom,the Kingdom of the Dardanians,and the Kingdom of the Taulantians,no such thing as" Illyrians" they were called Illyrians by others.The film Illyricum do not illustrate the true culture of these people, and portrays them as uncivillised as the celts or the germanics,and mind you the terms "celts" and "germanics" are not correct as we do not know how these tribesmen called themselves

@fallenstate5933 7 дней назад

Are you serious? All of England was Celtic before AngloSaxon invasions and so was most of Europe. Celts even invaded south all the way to Greece which is attested by historians before they were defeated and returned north. Where is Albanian language ever attested?

@user-xk4ug5du5z 7 дней назад

@@fallenstate5933 All England were celltic,since when?there is no recorded celtic migration there.And Albanian is closely related to Messapian language .And "celts" is an exonym that other people gave to these probably unrelated tribes....

@fallenstate5933 7 дней назад

@@user-xk4ug5du5z You will find the influence of Celts and Celtic languages in England in Wales and Ireland very much so. Yes there is recorded celtic migration to England before the AngloSaxons moved there from todays Denmark(because they were Scandinavian tribes). It's an interesting theory that Albanian is related to Messapian with no conclusive evidence though. If it were, how is it possible Albanian never got an alphabet? The whole of Europe used an alphabet, for gods sake even the barbarian Slavs got educated and given an alphabet

@user-xk4ug5du5z 7 дней назад

@@fallenstate5933 Acording to your logic even the Romans got no alphabet also,because they adapted a form of the Greek one which in turn propbly derived from the Phoenician one,now the Athenians also got no alphabet?The Messapians used the Greek one,and the whole of Europe uses the Latin,except Greece and some Slavic countries which use the Cyrillic, of course Albanians use the Latin one since the early Albanians were well integrated in the Roman society and the nobles communicated in writen forms with Latin and later on the high middle ages that changed to Attic Greek.On the other hand how can you prove that Britain and Ireland was Celtic,the Celtic theory invented in the 18th century,none of those people called themselves celts before,and even the Roman's called the tribes of Scotland "Picts" and "Calledonians"in the 3rd century, were on earth do you see Celts?Ireland in those times was unexplored territory, since nothing new nothing about it.Plus Slavs were not barbarians because it's a fact they descent from Scythians and Sarmatians,sophisticated peoples which recorded in lands which Slavs appeared...

@UnlimitedAspirations24 3 дня назад

@user-xk4ug5du5z - Illiria is the name for all the Tribes. Messapic is an illiran Tribe so are the Etruscans and lots more tribes ✌️

@RGB81-vr2se Месяц назад

Only Albanians use names Like Agron, Liburn, Dardan, Ilirë, Teuta So there is no doubt that Albanians are descendents of Ilirians

@CobraRedstone 28 дней назад

Nationalist sentiment leads people to name their children in a way which fits their narrative even if there's no cultural or historic basis in doing so. None of those names were used in the past.

@iliadmalka 28 дней назад

Indeed we are , and its only matter of time now for the truth to come out for what it is , the greek propaganda its coming to an end preatty fast.

@davidscwimer1974 28 дней назад

@@iliadmalka you speak of truth ? But you have no proof … I can show you Ancient Greek can you show me ancient Albanian ?

@iliadmalka 28 дней назад

@@davidscwimer1974 proof !!? Well if language its not enaugh for you ( by the way its the only language in which all those proofs u have of about greeks make sense ) just wait , time will give u tons of proofs . Untill than i wish u well.

@davidscwimer1974 28 дней назад

@@iliadmalka time 😂 this theory has been around since the communist era in Albania! How much time do you need ?

@GGTanguera 3 дня назад

Beer = zobaja, not sobaia. Beer is made from zob 😅

@andyorfanakos8169 4 месяца назад

It’s probably closer to a Greek dialect then any other language I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that the Greeks knew and wrote more then anyone else about the Illyrians

@hannahanna941 4 месяца назад

What a strange little comment. It's not a dialect of Greek but a sister language.

@Doniiks1 2 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 greks

@Doniiks1 2 месяца назад

Kings and queen names only albania has these names ilir teuta agron bardhyl genti

@LilBriskoTV_ Месяц назад

A lot of modern Greeks(Arvanites) have Albanian ancestry, and the modern Greek language is constructed with a lot of Albanian elements in it. Most likely the ancient Greeks were part Illyrians as well, the Dorians for example, associated with the words Dru- ( wood, woodland, etc. ), Dor- (hand, to give etc. ) and the -ian(they are). Illyrian/Yllirian/Hellenes/Ellines --very similar words and meanings, probably different variants.

@farijeleka2890 28 дней назад

Greci 😂😂😂😂😂stato religioso creato dal inglesi tedeschi francesi ed russi 😂😂😂😂😂😂

@kristijangrgic9841 9 часов назад

How can Albanians be real Ilyrians when first record of Albanians is in 13th century and all of Ilyrians were romanised by 4th century. Ilyrians became Romans and 1700 years later Albanians appear.

@user-iy4qc9ig4e Месяц назад

Ilyrian ore albanian language is the first language of humaniti go se the tre of language the sekond is armenin and tre is tocarian.

@davidscwimer1974 28 дней назад

😂

@user-iy4qc9ig4e 28 дней назад

Go ask one historian about this a now you dont belive this

@davidscwimer1974 28 дней назад

@@user-iy4qc9ig4e I’m asking you

@davidaxelos4678 26 дней назад

Nonsense, Basque is the "oldest" surviving European language.

@davidscwimer1974 26 дней назад

@@davidaxelos4678 don’t try and use reason and logic with these brainwashed people.

@nukhetyavuz 5 месяцев назад

could be possibly protoalbanian...but why not consider a uralic language deriving from the step?protohungarian and prototurkish have the word ANA which means mom (in hungarian its actually ANJA) but apart from that,BİCAK resembles the turkish form for knife and spear could be MİZRAK...

@aleksandarnikolic2743 5 месяцев назад

Try to find Olga Luković-pjanović book:"Srbi narod najstariji."(Serbs,the oldest nation). Book will be interesting to you as linguist!

@branimirradinovic9535 5 месяцев назад

😂

@arianl5903 4 месяца назад

If world history began in the 8th century AD, perhaps this would be true, but history begins at least 5,000 years earlier! You Serbs are 4,200 years too late.

@TheBegaj2005 4 месяца назад

Hahaha

@NoraLatifi-dl2vh 2 месяца назад

She should have known that serbia comes from russia 😅

@pranveraohri1204 25 дней назад

Maybe elsewhere.Not in the Illyrikum where they faced like barbarians about VI century.There is no archeological ore historical data to conferm.Have serbs fought against romans ore Alexander the Great. Don't be ridiculous.

@damjan9753 2 месяца назад

Propagande !

@erviram5494 2 месяца назад

Why do you say that !?? Give some evidence?

@ginaibisi777 14 дней назад

Deny it all you can, the real Illyrians are the Albanians. MESAPIK MES A PIK IN ALBANIAN MEANS MIDDLE or peak.

@farijeleka2890 28 дней назад

🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱🙏

@davidscwimer1974 2 месяца назад

No such thing as ancient Albanian

@sylwianawrocka2599 2 месяца назад

I was only going to just downvote this comment, but then I thought I would try and find out what's actually going on in your head? Does your comment add anything at all to the discussion about Illyrian language? or are you implying that Albanian has no historical roots? The Albani and the Abroi, considered as proto or early Albanians, were first attested in the 6th century BCE, is that not ancient enough for you?

@davidscwimer1974 2 месяца назад

@@sylwianawrocka2599 there is no Proof that the extinct Illyrian language is linked in anyway to modern Albanian. The claim of a direct and continuous linguistic connection between the ancient Illyrian language and modern Albanian is not universally supported by linguists and scholars. the evidence is insufficient to establish a direct evolutionary link. The Illyrian language is poorly attested, primarily through ancient inscriptions, making it difficult to discern its precise linguistic features and relationship to other languages. Additionally, the development of the Albanian language involved significant influences from Latin, Greek, Slavic, and other languages due to the region's history of cultural exchange and conquest. There is no evidence for this bold claim. Relaying on old communist propaganda is not history. You can downvote the truth … now days the truth means very little to people like yourself

@sylwianawrocka2599 2 месяца назад

@@davidscwimer1974 But your comment merely stated 'no such thing as ancient Albanian', the video is well researched and actually just does a kind of meta analysis of modern, peer reviewed and published research. Your comment added nothing to the discussion. No evidence, no citations just a random and vague comment.

@davidscwimer1974 2 месяца назад

@@sylwianawrocka2599 really .. check again is there no implication that Albanian is some how an ancient language?

@LearnHittite 2 месяца назад

Hi there! What exactly did I say where you seem to have issue? I will just give you a quote from Routledge 'The Indo-European Languages' Second edition - 'Two main theories consider Albanian as a descendant of either Illyrian or Thracian langauges, respectively' and then the author recommends reviewing the work from Matzinger 2009 and 2012. Olander 2016, groups Albanian on the 'Illyric' branch ultimately descending from Paleo-Balkanic - but they stress caution with the label 'Illyric' due to lack of sufficient linguistic data (just as I said in my video). Mallory and Adams in the Encyclopaedia of Indo European (1997) states regarding lexical items 'by far the strongest connectionsncan be argued between Albanian and Illyrian' but again stresses to be conservative with any conclusions. Ultimately, Albanian descended from one of the Balkanic varieties of Indo-European brought to the region by whoever replaced the pre-Indo-European speakers of the region. I think nothing here in my statement is controversial and agrees with many leading names in IE studies, although some will disagree for sure but I try not to present minority views.