Be way better than fanboy Kev’s. He should’ve just let Shump talk rather than trying to push his opinions on him. Shump was laughing at every point Kev was attempting to make
People don't realize how many great players didn't get a ring because of MJ. Then they think these players were too easy because they never got a ring :D
@@nnamdiubbaonu4381 Don't agree. The only good players that Lebron blocked and still remained ringless are westbrook and harden. Westbrook I partially don't even want to include because I don't think he deserves one really but thats another debate.
@@chopper20210 Sure, but your argument is very circumstantial. MJ only been to the finals 6 times in his entire career. You make it seem like hes been every year
@@nnamdiubbaonu4381 Do you know how many people ATE in “Lebron”s era? :KG, Allen, Pierce, Kawhi, Dirk, Wade (in 06), Jason Kidd, KD, Giannis, and Co While Jordan was in the league - Magic, Bird, Mchale, Worthy, and Isiah ate, WHO ELSE?
This guy PLAYED on the 2016 cavs team that beat the warriors and even HE is telling you MJ is the greatest and those bulls teams would mop the floor with today's teams.
Iman Shumpert played with LeBron, worked out with him, seen him at his greatest basketball playing level and still laughs at the idea that LeBron is in the conversation with Jordan that just shows you the level that Jordan really was
Jordan's finals opponents averaged a little more than 62% wins on the year. Lebron's opponents averaged a little over 61%. Don't believe me? Look it up. Bad argument. Back in Jordan's era, teams actually played defense! Jordan played tougher teams just to get to the finals, while LeBron played in the " Leastern Conference". I watched them both play; NO COMPARISON!!!
Because of how fabricated it was? 🤣 i love Shump, but Tim Duncan 5x NBA champ & possibly greatest PF all time, with a prime TP & Manu with a top 5 coach ALL TIME.. 4-0? 4....0??? HE SMOKING DICC. At that point, it was clear shump was bias ASF. Then you add KAWAHI to that team?? One of the greatest perimeter defenders of this generation?? FOH boa thassa 7 game series
@@babygoat3845 because of how firm and how articulated he was. You gotta learn how to chill, man. I'm simply admiring Shump's public speaking. That's it. I don't give a flying fuck about hypothetical Basketball matches that never happened. And besides, Shump never tried to hide his bias anyway. He made it perfectly clear he is a fan of The Bulls. So just chill, bruh. Now eat your bedtime snacks and get some sleep, will ya? 🤣
@@giantamagariantka8174 ima let you have a nice day 🤣 My man's said bedtime snacks, it's 12 in the afternoon 🪦 But I feel you. You got chills "because of the way he said it" the fact that it was bs just don't matter 😭
@@babygoat3845 oh yes, I forgot the time difference. Sorry. I come from a different country than you, but that doesn't really matter. You probably won't know it anyway. U know, judging from how uneducated u are with those replies. And u know what, it probably was bs. I'm not here trying to defend Shump, or The Bulls, or MJ, or whoever it is. I'm simply admiring his story telling, I've enjoyed hearing him talk. That's it. Just like you, I'm hardly an expert when it comes to Basketball talk. The difference is I know I'm not an expert, while u're just saying shit that just end up showing how stupid u really are, because u got triggered by a comment that wasn't even intended to initiate a Basketball conversation. You have a nice day too. 🙂
For everyone not from Chicago, this is exactly how every single person here talks about the Bulls. We have the 90s Bulls engraved in our brains knowing that was the peak of basketball teams. Anyone that says otherwise is a fool and is dismissed 😂
I agree but my Paul Shawn said there’s nothing lower quality than your singing voice and your home’s structure and layout. He says that it looks like crap.
Im a life long warriors fan from Oakland CA... With that said I have always been a bulls fan because I grew up in the nineties and got to see Jordan and the bulls play. Will always have love for the bulls because of those times. Jordan was bigger than life. Back then it was the three MIKES... Jordan, Jackson, and Tyson.
They slammed the door shut on my Knicks every year. I hated the Bulls as a teenager, but came to respect the hell out of them looking at those games years later as an adult.
They try to diminish Jordan at every chance because they know he's not playing anymore but if he was they wouldn't be saying any of this because he'd show people the reason why the majority of the world thinks he's still the goat over 25 years later
Jordan may be a great player of his short Era but dude is garbage. How many lives were taken for his ugly ass shoes. Morals speak volume vs profit. I guarantee you if he'd hurt or killed any animals, people would of boycotted him.
Bruh I know you don’t believe that. Literally every sports platform elevates Jordan like he was a perfect player. Even when evidence show otherwise, then when they realize their argument has no real basis they say 6-0/ killer instinct lol.
Jordan would get exposed in this era, he would be forced to be a shooter and playmaker. The reality is he played in a weak expansion league era. I used to be an MJ fan before i got into basketball, it’s crazy that most are actually manipulated into being MJ fans.
@@CriusXI expose???😂😂😂😂😂Jesus Christ. DeMar DeRozan literally only shoots mid range and he’s doing well in this era.imagine if it was Jordan playing today
@@mytakeonitk769 Has DeRozan won a chip? Jordan would be a great regular season player, he wouldn’t win in the playoffs. He won’t be able to play selfish ball hogg basketball like he did back in the day, teams are also much more stacked and players are overall better than his era. This coming from someone that watched his era and used to be an MJ fan until I actually got into basketball. People genuinely don’t understand evolution. Jordan would be another Russel Westbrook.
The Jazz swept the Lakers who had 4 allstars, including prime Shaq. The Blazers had a top 5 ever player at his position, alongside a second star in Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Buck Williams (tied for 6th in DPOY voting), Clifford Robinson, and Danny Ainge. Dudes these days really have no clue about the 90s.
Easy to know these casuals that are new to the game. Suns had Barkley and Kevin Johnson (I'm sure these Gen Z fans don't know who Kevin Johnson is) not forgetting Shaq and Penny.
@@bigcohiba298 And the Suns had a good squad too but they had zero players too match up with Pip and Jordan 🤦🏾♂️. Yall dont gotta re-write history to make Mike the goat. He the goat but yall trippin 😂
@@jamaroliver850 What do you mean match up? Who matched up with AD and Lebron when they won their bubble ring? Who matched up with Bron and Wade in 2013 Finals with those old ass Spurs. What does matching up have to do with anything?
The Utah teams that were going against Mike were 64-18 & 62-20 sending home Hakeem, Drexler, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan & David Robinson. A 64-18 Supersonic team who sent home Malone, Stockton & Hakeem And a 62 win Suns team Hell, one of the KD, Steph & Klay Warriors teams won only 58 games.
@@sholovesholove4620 Stockton nothing to laugh at. He is the all time leader in assist and steals at point guard. Put some respect on his name. Even today Stockton would cook you and your local planet fitness squad 😂😂😂
@@myfavvidz Look up the word phobia. And then think about the word homophobia..You believe Iman shumpert “fears” gay people?? Because that’s what a phobia is. Anxiety/ FEAR of something. So you think Iman Shumpert Fears gay people like people fear spiders?? You think He would be screaming and yelling if he saw a gay man?? Like people scream and yell when they see a spider??? Y’all needa new word because “homophbia makes zeros sense.You actually believe Iman shumpert gets fear and anxiety when he encounters gay people?????
@@MouthPieceExoticsBayArea Exactly! And Reggie Miller has fewer points per game, poorer 3pt percentage and poorer defense than Klay Thompson, who was only the 2nd or 3rd best player on the GSW team depending on the year.
@@MouthPieceExoticsBayArea damn you dissing Reggie now.. 3rd all time in 3s made and at one point was the record holder. That’s sad you trying to disrespect an all time great
These people still can't understand how someone can be that much better than everyone else so they rely on the "his team had superstars" or "his HOF coach" or "David Stern" did it for him/helped him out. Very comical.
This argument always exposes the casual ball fan. As soon as someone starts questioning MJs competition, you know that they are clueless. The dead give away that Kev doesn't believe his own argument is that he only wants to compare finals competition, as if you buy a ticket to the finals.
It’s actually quite the opposite. The casual fan doesn’t understand what expansions did to the league in the nineties. Jerry sloan, bird, Rodman and even bj Armstrong is on record saying that MJ came back out of retirement because he thought he could steal a couple of titles in a weak league. Are all of them causal ball fans? The knicks and pacers were good but cmon are we really gonna act like they were great teams. MJs the greatest but his teams weren’t winning until the league was at its lowest.
Facts. MJ faced Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Payton-Kemp and Stockton-Malone, and this host wants us to believe that wasnt as strong a competition than GSW. Shit if Toronto could beat that GSW team in the finals I think the Bulls would be perfectly fine 😂🤣😂🤣. I mean lets be honest a tonne of teams can beat that GSW team, e.g. 2000 Lakers, 2000 Blazers, 2002 Kings, 2008 Celtics to name a few. This just gets old how people limit the conversation cause they have zero knowledge of bball history and want to compare Lebron to MJ.
@@meg-k-waldren wasn't gsw injured heavenly in that series 🤔 I see ppl like to paint history wrong cuz I swear I thought KD and Klay went down but aye wat do I know
It may seem MJ dominated everyone he faced. It was never the case. MJ and his Bulls grinded for those six rings. Indiana with Reggie Miller was a fucking nightmare. So was the Knicks with Ewing. Jazz with Stockton and Malone. Teams in the 90s wanted to murder the Bulls.
Right. No way they were watching in the 90's and could say this with a straight face or be taken serious. As I've stated, 98 Pacers would mollywop any team dude took to the FINALS those 10 times and it wouldn't be close.
87-93 Michael Jordan was on another level . His athleticism declined in 96-98 but all of MJ’s competition was valid. He has a better record against teams that had more wins in the playoffs.
People who weren't around to watch the NBA back then dont realize how deadly the Stockton Malone combo was. Or how rough the knicks used to be even though they never got the Chip in the nineties. Or how many lobs and assists GP used to throw to Kemp. Or how Iverson would carry a team on his back to get wins that seem impossible on paper. Or how before Grant Hill got hurt he was on the road to being one of the greatest EVER. Or how Shaq made everyone else on the floor look like he was playing against high schoolers. It was a different NBA back then. Not taking anything away from todays players. We are just comparing two different eras. Apples and Oranges.
Every school in the Balkan built a court after petrovic. That’s how we get players like luka jokic Giannis etc. basketball without borders program gave us embiid siakam gasol etc. 90’s didn’t even feature prime sabonis who was arguably a top 5 player in the world at the time. No matter what you say my generation will look at the expansion era as unskilled unathletic janitors
This guy has NO idea how GOOD those Utah Jazz teams were, nor does he have any idea how GOOD the Eastern Conference was and how GREAT the Bulls' defense was in a defensive era. Plus, Jordan was dominant on defense, the great dividing line between LeBron and himself.
These mfers always downplay 90’s team but don’t realize how good those teams were. They legit think those teams were trash. It’s the only bs statement to diminish Jordan.
People attack MJ’s opponents throughout their championship runs about being inadequate but fail to understand that it only appeared that way because Black Jesus was head and shoulders above EVERYONE he matched against.
I am young and never watched MJ play but MJ had way better competition than lebron. The east lebron played in had no all time great teams outside of the pistons and boston but those teams are no where near the larry bird celtics, and the bad boy pistons.
People also discount what it took to even get to the finals. To beat the Knicks, Pacers, Magic, and Bad Boy pistons was no joke. The East was dominant in MJs day.
@@mortalwombat473 he definatley got beat up in the eatern conferance facing the knicks pacers and heat, and pistons early on.. that phyisical type of gameplay was the only real way to kinda give jordan trouble. thats why the knicks and pacers are the only teams to take the bulls to 7. and yet they still couldnt beat him.. and Im a knicks fan.. or was.
@@Simba365 and the finals bron has are way harder than Jordans hes played super teams multiple times. Jordan didnt play any good super team like Bron has. Even if the east was "weak" he still got to the finals and put up numbers on some of the greatest teams ever. The bulls wouldnt beat the warriors or the spurs. They could beat that thunder team maybe. But they dont even know how to guard the 3 and no one is locking KD up. Hes unguardable. The league is way more skilled the average player back then wouldnt make the G league today. Yes jordan played teams with good players, yes theres HOF players from that era. The warriors are the best team ever and its not a debate. The laegue was known to be weak even Rodman said Jordan came back cause the league was weak from lack of really good teams and it was an expansion era. Defense was also easier back then cause the 3 was rarely shot or made. Also defense back then was just physical not skilled lmao offense was a cake walk back then
I already liked Shump before seeing this but this interview just made him one of my favorite people. He kept it 1000 and made some very great arguments backing his statements. Especially the who gone guard Mike? That one hit hard.
i remember all those "Jordan stoppers" they kept gassing up back then, same thing with these guys. what sucked about those days was the fact we never got to see MJ and Pip's Bulls vs Shaq and Kobe's Lakers in the Finals.
jOrdAn NevEr PlaYed leBronS CoMpeTitiOn: *2014 spurs* Record: 62-20, Finished 1st in NBA Southwest Division Coach: Gregg Popovich (62-20) PTS/G: 105.4 (6th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 97.6 (6th of 30) SRS: 8.00 (1st of 30) Pace: 95.0 (10th of 30) Off Rtg: 110.5 (7th of 30) Def Rtg: 102.4 (3rd of 30) *1996 Sonics* Record: 64-18, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division Coach: George Karl (64-18) PTS/G: 104.5 (2nd of 29) Opp PTS/G: 96.7 (8th of 29) SRS: 7.40 (2nd of 29) Pace: 93.8 (3rd of 29) Off Rtg: 110.3 (8th of 29) Def Rtg: 102.1 (2nd of 29) pace and pts in 14: 101pts at 93.9 Pace and Pts in 96: 99.5pts at 91.8 *2018 Warriors* Record: 58-24, Finished 2nd in NBA Western Conference Coach: Steve Kerr (58-24) PTS/G: 113.5 (1st of 30) Opp PTS/G: 107.5 (18th of 30) SRS: 5.79 (3rd of 30) Pace: 99.6 (5th of 30) Off Rtg: 113.6 (3rd of 30) Def Rtg: 107.6 (11th of 30) 3pt% .391 *1993 Suns* Record: 62-20, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division Coach: Paul Westphal (62-20) PTS/G: 113.4 (1st of 27) Opp PTS/G: 106.7 (18th of 27) SRS: 6.27 (3rd of 27) Pace: 99.8 (4th of 27) Off Rtg: 113.3 (1st of 27) Def Rtg: 106.7 (9th of 27) 3pt% .363 Marjele 3x all star 2x all defensive KJ 3x all star 5x all nba 88-89 Most Improved. Poster Dunks on Mark Eaton and olajuwon who lead all time in blocks..(played under the shadow of Magic yet has comparable stats to CP3 and Isiah) Dumas all rookie averaged 15. Ceballos was also an all star and the team had Tom Chambers and Barkley as MVP. Pace and pts in 2018 106.3pts at 97.3 Pace and Pts in 93: 105.3pts at 96.8 *2011 Mavericks* Record: 57-25, Finished 2nd in NBA Southwest Division Coach: Rick Carlisle (57-25) PTS/G: 100.2 (11th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 96.0 (10th of 30) SRS: 4.41 (8th of 30) Pace: 91.3 (17th of 30) Off Rtg: 109.7 (8th of 30) Def Rtg: 105.0 (8th of 30) *1991 Lakers* Record: 58-24, Finished 2nd in NBA Pacific Division Coach: Mike Dunleavy (58-24) ( 89-90 Lakers were 63-19 So that Kareem woulda helped narrative is false cuz he woulda been 43 averaging 7pts ) PTS/G: 106.3 (13th of 27) Opp PTS/G: 99.6 (2nd of 27) SRS: 6.73 (3rd of 27) Pace: 94.1 (25th of 27) Off Rtg: 112.1 (5th of 27) Def Rtg: 105.0 (5th of 27) pace and pts in 11: 99.6pts at 92.1 pace and pts in 91 : 106.3 at 97.8 *2007 Spurs* Record: 58-24, Finished 2nd in NBA Southwest Division Coach: Gregg Popovich (58-24) PTS/G: 98.5 (14th of 30) Opp PTS/G: 90.1 (1st of 30) SRS: 8.35 (1st of 30) Pace: 89.8 (27th of 30) Off Rtg: 109.2 (5th of 30) Def Rtg: 99.9 (2nd of 30) *1992 Trailblazers* Record: 57-25, Finished 1st in NBA Pacific Division Coach: Rick Adelman (57-25) PTS/G: 111.4 (4th of 27) Opp PTS/G: 104.1 (12th of 27) SRS: 6.94 (2nd of 27) Pace: 99.0 (6th of 27) Off Rtg: 111.4 (7th of 27) Def Rtg: 104.2 (3rd of 27) pace and pts in 07: 98.7pts at 91.9 pace and pts in 92: 105.3 at 96.6 *For All The Bronsexuals out there*
But that's tough though bro. Shump (like D Wade and AD ) grew up in chi town and idolized those 90s bulls. You gotta admit there's a little bias there lol Shump literally said "we" when talking about the 90s bulls lol
@@abelincon8472 & you said that to say?? Maybe I'm missing your point. Not only did I never once suggest that Bron didn't idolize MJ, but I also don't see how that's relevant to my comment or the og comment. Could you explain a bit further?
The interviewer don’t know alot of ball. He doesn’t understand how hand checking made u control the offensive player. And when tht went away getting to the lane was a lot easier
I hate how casuals always talk about who he faced in the finals. They never talk about how easy it was for him to get there in probably the weakest eastern conference ever.
@@keezkeezkeez I’d argue it was 2008-2010 Paul pierce. Ok he had a lot of help but they literally made Lebron LEAVE Cleveland lol. I get your point tho
Who did Jordan play against?!? What? Reggie Miller. Charles Barkley. Karl Malone. John Stockton. Patrick Ewing. Magic Johnson. Larry Bird. Isiah Thomas. Gary Payton. Shawn Kemp. Shaquille O’Neal. Kobe Bryant. Dennis Rodman. Joe Dumars. Allen Iverson. Grant Hill. Penny Hardaway. Ray Allen. Kevin Garnett. Dominque Wilkins. Clyde Drexler. Hakeem Olajuwon. Dikembe Mutombo. David Robinson. Alonzo Mourning. Glenn Rice. Tim Hardaway. And that’s just in the 90’s. You take any player from this list and drop them in now and they would DOMINATE. Not even counting the players like Mark Jackson (one of the best PG’s IQ wise ever) Isiah Rider, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullens and several dozen other all stars during the era.
He's too high or not smart enough to realize. That's a horrible argument. He was ON those teams. Contribute more than 3 points a game or check Steph you'll might have won😀😀 Dude talking like he wasn't a part of none of it.
@@Cav2038 Kev's argument was even worse. Bron's Finals opponents dont mean jack if you lose. Hell, LeBron's teams weren't even the 2nd best team in the playoffs the years he got to the Finals. He didn't even belong there for at least 6 of them...thanks to that crappy East. The Western Conference was where the real competition was at.
@anthony cavitt gotta have it when i say Career I’m not only referring to the league. But he does have a ring 🤔. He accomplished a lot on each level. Plus he’s respected for it. Don’t just be a stat guy
Bro the jazz beat the hell out of Kobe Shaq Eddie Jones and Nick Van exel 2 years in a row. Swept them one year and beat him in five the next 😂😂 that Utah jazz team has been getting more and more underrated as time goes by.. Karl malone is literally second all time in scoring and John Stockton is number 1 😂😂 one of the best coaches ever.. Jeff hornacek was a still very good player
One of the most underrated teams in NBA history. No LeBron lead cav team would’ve beaten them. They had an all time high basketball IQ. They also almost swept Tim Duncan and David Robinson as well.
@@thisiseliasm4645 Exactly we have seen whenever LeBron is matched up against teams with higher basketball IQ,he has issues. This is majorly because of the style of play most of his teams are run that being the "LeBron System".
@@flexinja1166 he beat the spurs and the warriors..high level bball ig teams🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ just say im not a fan of him already..but dont diminish a great to big up the past when u dont have to
The Jazz team that the Bulls beat had arguably the best power forward AND the best point guard ever. Plus the Jazz were a very good defensive team, and to be honest, at the time, the Jazz seemed to be the superior all around team. M.J. was obviously the wild card that put the Bulls over the top, and the series reflected it. I saw game 6 live, when Michael hit that jumper over Russel, at the top of the key.
Oh my God!!!! I LOVE THIS GUY!!!! I’ve never seen someone get so thoroughly schooled and called out as Shumpert is doing to this knob-job!!!! He’s laying it down as well as I’ve EVER heard to a Jordan denying rube!!! FREAKING AWESOME!!!! Nice job!!!!
Funny how fans try to argue against guys who actually played the game in the nba and they dismiss the players opinions!😂😂😂 clowns . When nba players themselves tell u mike is the goat shut it and accept it!!
ok but how can Iman talk about the jordan bulls and never played them all he has is video to go off of. he can talk lebron because he played them. thats like when ppl get mad at dr j for not saying jorden isn't the greatest. well Dr j retired by the time jordan came in. they was comparing Jordan to Dr j not the other way around
@@khalilwilliams1818 because the eye test. If you can’t use your eyes to see then you never will. So we have advanced analytics for you. They all say MJ is the best. So what else do you need?
That’s the problem with y’all man just because people haven’t played professionally they can’t have a legit opinion? It’s sports bruh barbershop debates are apart of this shit!
The Trail Blazers had one of the best team in that era. Terry Porter, Clyde Drexel, Kevin Duckworth, Cliff Robinson, Jerome Jersey, etc.That was the wrong team to name. Better research is needed.
lebron is getting credit because he got beat...lebron teams lost=oh the other team must be an all time great team. jordan won=oh the other team must be trash. lebron fans try to lower the bawr and the high standards that jordan has set so lebron can be compared to jordan. if lebron had to face the lakers,blazers,suns,sonics,jazz,pacers 1998,knicks,pistons,orlando 1996 he would have won 0 winning series against those teams because his size/strength adnvantance close to the rim would not matter against those teams.
Facts. In the 90s, MJ Bulls never lost 3 games in a row, period. He set the record at 626 games. 1990-1998. Steph Curry is second all-time at 330. MJ's record may never be broken.
I mean when you are the most stacked team in the league on top of having the greatest player of all time. Todays basketball is a totally different game. There’s no way in being able to compare it.
They would of lost against the teams today lol y'all and shump are crazy to think the teams of the 90's are as good as the teams today. The bulls played against no super teams and were the only super team of theyre generation. The warriors, spurs, and thunder all teams Bron played are better than any team the bulls played in the finals.
So you had Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan who were up there with the best defenders of all time. And Harper who was also an excellent defender. Defense alone they would crush any team today let alone the Jordan, Pippen, Kukoch offensive assault. And Kerr being one of the greatest three point shooters ever.
I agreed until Steve Kerr... in nowadays a lot of player better then Kerr, but back then he was one of the best yeah. Maybe Kerr would adapt if he was in todays nba and be better but we don’t know that.
@@ocerco93 why would everyone else adapt & not Kerr? I believe he would, and like the other author of this comment said, these teams today would not be able to deal with them.
In my country, people still talk about Jordan not Lebron. Even the kids know who Jordan is and they know he is the Goat. People talk about Kobe more than Lebron too.
This whole comment section is regurgitating this sentiment. The MJ dicksuck is crazy, the only person better than MJ is the legend of Jordan. Shits absurd he’s never lost and never missed apparently. *Yet all his stats and seasons say otherwise.
@@leultrainstinct406 except statistically that’s not true at all. Jordan Finals opponents have a higher win percentage than Lebrons opponents, and yes that’s including the 73 win warriors. Meaning they had a better recording, meaning the better team.
** 30.1 ppg (highest all time) 6.2 rbg 5.3 apg 2.3 steals per game (4th all time) 0.8 blocks per game 83.5% ft 56.9% ts 27.9 PER (highest all time) 0.251 ws/48 (highest all time) 6-0 in the finals 6 FMVP (most all time) 5 MVP (tied for 2nd all time) 1 DPOY 10x all nba first team All nba second team (injury year) 9x nba all defensive first team (tied for first all time) Rookie of the year 10x scoring titles (most all time) 3x steals leader (tied for 2nd all time) ***PLAYOFFS*** 33.4 ppg (highest all time) 6.4 rpg 5.7 apg 2.1 steals per game (6th all time) 0.9 blocks per game 82.8% ft 56.8% ts 28.6 PER (highest all time) 0.255 ws/48 (highest all time) ** 27 ppg 7.4 rpg 7.4 apg 1.6 steals per game 0.7 blocks per game 73.4% ft 58.6% ts 27.3 PER 0.231 ws/48 4-6 in the finals 4 FMVP 4 mvp 13x all nba first team 2x all nba second team All nba third team (injury) 5x nba all defensive first team Nba all defensive second team Rookie of the year Scoring champion Assists leader ***PLAYOFFS*** 28.7 ppg 9 rpg 7.2 apg 1.7 steals per game 0.9 blocks per game 74% ft 58.3% ts 28.2 PER 0.242 ws/48 As for competition, Jordan easily played against harder teams in the playoffs getting to the Finals.
Jordan played both ends of the court. Jordan, Kobe, G. Payton, Garnett were the only 4 players in NBA history that made the all nba defensive team, 1st team 9 times. Think about that. Remember how physical the game was in Jordan's days. They were guarding players 94 feet.
This is why the "all around" argument for Lebron falls short for me, because all around should include defense which Jordan was clearly better at than Lebron. Offensively Lebron has more variation to his play but Jordan was probably more effective by scoring, because when you can score the basket so well you don't really need to do anything else. The guy with the best stats doesn't get declared the winner, the team that won the game by outscoring the other is the winner, so the all around thing isn't as big of a deal... winning matters and MJ's scoring contributed substantially towards that
Look Kev if you are reading this, do not underestimate the Jazz. In 1998, this was their path to the Finals - They beat Hakeem, Barkley and Drexer in the first round - They beat the San Antonio Spurs with Tim Duncan, David Robinson with Pop as the coach - They SWEPT Shaq, Kobe, Jones, Van Excel who were named all-stars in 1998! Only to be beaten by Bulls in 6 and you say the Cavs will sweep that team? That's damn ignorant.. You want to talk about competition, then try to visualize who that Jazz team beat to get to the Finals in 98 and that same Jazz team beat Shaq and Kobe the year before. Those Jazz teams were one of the best teams to never win a title. And stop glorifying the Thunder in 2012, we all know that talent can only take you so far. I rather have John Stockton than Westbrook, I would rather have Stockton's intangibles and his playmaking than Westbrook's empty stats, chucking up bad inefficient shots and horrible decision-making. That 2012 Thunder ain't competition because Westbrook doesn't have a winner's mentality, he can't win and so wasHarden! It's not just about talent! Stop insulting the 90s Portland Trailblazers. When they went to the Finals in 1990, 3 of them averaged 19 or more a game in the Finals! Clyde Drexler, Jerome Kersey, Terry Porter. Clyde - 26.4 Jerome - 19.0 Porter - 19.0 Duckworth - 15.6 That team was dope in their time. Those numbers look like guys from Superteams can make in a Finals series. They not in the hall of fame except for Clyde because they didn't win. They couldn't win. Multiple stars on one team could produce like that but still couldn't sniff a ring! And don't forget Kev! That Warrios team were threatened by Kawhi Leonard in 2017, almost lost to Harden and CP3 in 2018 - Golden State had those series won by an injury of Leonard or CP3. That Bulls is going to make them struggle because they have long players, defensive players who can match up to each Warrior player pretty well, and those Cavs teams in 2017 and 2018 ranked among the worst Finals teams in defense ever that's why they lost. Kev, you are a casual. Listen to Iman Shumpert.
I will always say that Mike may have had lesser opponents in the finals than Bron, but Mike’s trips to the finals through the playoffs to GET to the finals were light years harder than the teams Bron had to get through, the East was weak asf for most of the time bron was there. The most notable comp was the Celtics for like 2-3 years, and they were ALL out of their primes.
Damn y'all have selective memory and make out of context comments to prove a point. The Bulls first run nobody was in their way but a hobbled beat up Pistons team at the end of their run. Then Cleveland with Brad Dougherty and New York with Patrick Ewing. The 2nd run after signing Dennis Rodman The Pacers and Orlando with Shaq and Penny. That Pacers team was the best team (imo) that the Bulls beat out of the East during both runs. The tough Eastern conference thing is a myth. A one man Knicks team that took them 7 games, a soft ass Cavaliers team that was talented but had no leadership, heart and a mediocre coach. And a Magic team that lost Horace Grant for the playoffs while the Bulls went out and got Rodman simply for a team like Orlando (who put them out of the playoffs the year before). So stop it with the tougher ecf crap. Overrated
@@cojack636 lol just Shaq and Penny alone is tougher than pretty much anybody Bron ran through in the East besides MAYBE the Celtics for like a year. Bruh Bron ran through nobody lol look who he played his last year in the East making the playoffs. A pacers team with their best player being Victor Olidipo who had just made his first allstar team, the Raptors with the choke artists themselves in Derozan and Lowry, and the Celtics with 19 year old Jayson Taytum as their best player and it still went 7 games 😂. Could end all the playoff talk with “who had tougher comp in the finals” by just talking about how Bron got rocked by the Mavs 😂. You wanna talk out of context? Everyone says Bron coming back on the Warriors was sooooo impressive when: Draymond was suspended in game 5 and in that game 5 both Iguadala and Bogut (their literal only big man and the guy who won mvp of the finals the previous year strictly for defending Bron) get injured. They had Festus Ezili guarding Bron at points after that 😂. It was a free highway to the rim. You wanna talk context, let’s talk about that. Or do you wanna talk about the bubble where he won against the heat. The statistically WORST TEAM TO EVER MAKE A FINALS. On top of that game one their leading playoff scorer (Dragic) and allstar big (Bam) get injured and it still goes 6 games against a sole Jimmy Butler. Bruh you can’t talk about comp, Jordan wins that argument easy.
Its funny that they talk about Mike's competition but ignored Mike's team mates. Mike only has 1 legit all star team mate throughout his career. And scottie pippen was drafted and had to be developed before he became an allstar. Jordan stayed with scottie even after the bad boys with multiple allstars beat them in the playoffs for 3 straight years. And the blazers team wasnt weak. They reached the finals in 1990, reached the WCF in 1991 and reached the finals again at 1992. They only lost to the 3 best teams in those separate years which were the bad boys, Lakers and the Bulls. Lebron has been with "forced" superteams since he left cleveland in 2010. He handpicked his players like what he's still doin right now. And dont bring up 2018. It still started as a superteam until Kyrie had issues with Bron and left him that broke the superteam. Lebron and mgmt could no longer trade kyrie for another superstar bec. the trade deadline was almost up and the team's salary cap was loaded bec. Bron made the mgmt to reward guys like tristan thompson and jr smith with higher salary after winning in 2016. The 2017 warriors team is just a product of lebron's ideology which is a superstar should have the option to select his team mates and create a path where the chances of winning the championship is higher. KD had that option and teamed up with Curry and the warriors.
@@Nyualum21 thats true. in 2018 the teams bron played were terrible and he took so many games to even get the series wins. first round vs the pacers he took 7 games to win when oladipo was their best player. seriously? he took care of business against the craptors in the second round. then in the ecf he went 7 games against rookie tatum, sophomore brown, and kyrie and hayward were injured. LOL. then in the finals he gets swept by the warriors, when no other team in the playoffs got swept by the warriors. even the spurs with kawhi hurt whose best player playing was lamarcus aldridge won a game… how do you get swept 🤣🤣🤣
Every school in the Balkan built a court after petrovic. That’s how we get players like luka jokic Giannis etc. basketball without borders program gave us embiid siakam gasol etc. 90’s didn’t even feature prime sabonis who was arguably a top 5 player in the world at the time. No matter what you say my generation will look at the expansion era as unskilled unathletic white janitors
The Bulls were the boogie men. They were the Warriors/ Lakers/ Celtics of their era. Pippen? Yeah let’s talk about Pippen. The guy people like to toss in MJs face. Pippen didn’t get it done in ‘94. End of. Call or no call. You dominate a team so you’re not in that position. But let’s forgive that one. ‘95? Pippen had half an MJ and couldn’t be the Jordan on the team and carry Jordan past the Magic. What happened in ‘96? MJ gets a full offseason. Bulls face the SAME Magic team that bounced them except the Magic are 1 year better as a cohesive unit? Swept. And chased out the building. Who is the common denominator? MICHAEL JEFFERY JORDAN. Not Scottie Robin Pippen.
@@Robertedwinhouse38 So the Bulls were the only ones not affected by expansion? That's interesting lol. The Orlando Magic with Shaq/Penny were an expansion team, and one of the best teams in the league. Explain that one. There are more teams now than there was in the 90's, so i guess the NBA is still expanded lol. Every year, the NBA has bottom feeders. It was different than compared to now...A few good teams at the top, with bad teams at the bottom. Expansion means nothing. Only the top teams matter. Every era and every year are good and poor teams. You don't even know why the expansion era argument was even brought up do you? I would love to hear why you think it mattered.
@@leultrainstinct406 Are you asking why Jordan came in as a franchise player to a team that hadn't made the playoffs in the last 4 years. And couldn't beat one of the greatest teams to ever play, Boston Celtics? Are you just being stupid AF?
@@mikewilliams9069 Again, please give me a valid argument. Both were on good teams. In what area is Lebron better at than Jordan? No worries, I’ll wait.
What a foolish statement by this guy, dismissing the Jazz when Stockton is the all time leading assist person and Malone is still second in scoring in NBA history. There’s a reason Steph and Ray Allen is hugging Reggie Miller when he passed them in 3pt fg made. Mike beat legends. This guy lacks a knowledge of basketball history. But that’s the internet today, anyone with a mic has a voice, even when they aren’t knowledgeable.
@@YaO_MeaN ppl act like the Lebron didn't have his own super team that he ran to...he should've ran to a better one. Lebron lose to the Mavs, with 1 star, and an old Spurs team by the most points in NBA finals history....he beat OKC. with Durant, who ran to a team to win. Harden, who came off the bench, became some star, now he's so-so. and Westbrook, everybody knows his story...and let's not forget the Heat, with rest in some bubble thing...against Miami Heat, with a half a star in Butler....Lebron's competition was not as tough as it seems....they match Warriors team against Lebron's superteam....and Lebron loss. stop crying
Dude talks like the TRAILBLAZERS was garbage for those that don’t know the TRAILBLAZERS were the number 1 seed in the western conference from 89’-92’ …The BULLS of the 90’s beat the most 60 + wins teams …The BULLS always played the number 1 seed in the finals..
@@boonebeasley9622 but were the Warriors really that nice they lost to the Bum ass Cavs 🤣🤣 that record meant nothing they lost. People love to talk about how crazy the Warriors was but they lost so they couldn’t have been that good.
I'm just amazed how Shumpert could managed to keep the conversation....kudos for that. That guy deserved some fingers in his face (at least) for how disrespecful to the game he was 😂😂😂
Mike would’ve won that 2011 finals vs. Dallas and beat the other teams bron lost to. It’s clear as day that mj is better, you don’t just wake up get fresh air and you’re 6-0 in the finals 🤣
Bootleg Kev is exactly that, a bootleg analyst for a personality. As soon as he said Bron played in the 05 finals vs the Spurs I knew this man didn’t know what he was talking about. If he wasn’t watching the 05 finals, I know he wasn’t watching any Jordan finals from the 90s. Portland was tough, B2B conference finals and a finals appearance, Utah was in B2B finals in a highly competitive west and he beat Magic Johnson Lakers. Seattle was top seed in the west for a few years before finally breaking through. Any of those teams would have beat 2011 Mavs, 2012 OKC, 2015 Warriors. These new cats need to do they research before speaking on eras they have no clue about.
96 Bulls definitely beating that Warriors squad. The Spurs even showed how it could be done. The Cavs were running up and down the court tryna keep pace. That was their downfall. LeBron was tired asf by the 3rd qtr. Jordan always paced himself. Thats what made him so great
The key difference would be mentality and defense. Gary Payton said he felt the Sonics lost to the Bulls because they were just mentally stronger. GSW choked a 3-1 leaed, the Bulls would never. As talented as GSW were in the Finals mentality matters and those Bulls were ice cold
@@jordanshltuc1603 Depends which rules. Also man to man it’s a hard matchup. Harper on Curry, Jordan on Klay, Pippen on KD, Rodman on Draymond. Who stops MJ going off? Like I said defense & mentality is the key, Bulls were stronger in both areas. But this is all hypothetical
@@Tech-cy9yo please stop. Do you know that Jordan three peated (first three peat) he had only one player On The entire team that had a all star appearance. He is the only player in the history of the nba to do so. Scottie pippin was that other player. If he played in that era he would dominate them to. Cause a prime Hakeem, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller, penny hardaway, grant hill and a young athletic shaq,Dominique Wilkins, and Clyde Drexler were all bums and plumbers. You don’t know basketball at all. Lebron played with better talent on his teams in the finals than Jordan ever had and still lost. And even when he had a super team he never three peated. Even steph with KD never three peated. That should tell you something.
The only excusable loss from Lebron's Finals appearances is against San Antonio in '07. The rest came when he played where he chose to or once he put his GM hat on and the teams were built to his liking so he's got no one to blame but himself. Also, his loss against Dallas (where he disappeared) is a big stain on his record, considering Miami was the better team and he promised not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4... championships.
Lebron doesn't have the skillets. Thats just a fact. Lebron went to Olajuwon for post up lessons - fact. Lebron doesn't have MJs speed - fact. Lebron lacks the footwork - fact. Lebron not a great on ball defender - fact. Lebron doesn't have a variety of shots in his arsenal - fact. Lebron attracts few double teams at all unless he's in transition - fact. The only thing people ever bring up with Lebron is 3s, rebounding and assists. Well, 3s he shoots the typical swingman % in the low 30s - so did MJ, so did Kobe, so do 95% of swingman ever to play in the league. As for rebounds, no shit, he's a forward, MJs a guard, and I guarantee anyone MJ averaged more offensive boards than Lebron. So all he really has is assists - and frankly Im not giving you a tonne of credit when you pass to Kyrie Irving and he makes a tough shot cause he's super talented. Thats not the same as passing out of a triple team to a wide open Kerr so he can drain the easy one.
Iman Shumpert, an honest man, a baller and ring bearer from the highest level, but what's most important a Bulls fan for life it don't get no better than that
