In and Out of Calvinism Part 3 | Ephesians 1 & Romans 9 

Acts 17:10-12 is where l am coming from

Then you need to get out more. Be around Christians who know how to properly exegete scripture. Otherwise, you will wind up in a theological culdesac and not be grounded in the doctrines of grace.

Your flesh feels relieved, but she is wrong. Please compare the following verses... As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12 We love Him, because He first loved us. 1 John 4:19 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the Church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I Am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. Matthew 16:15-17 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy sight. All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him. Luke 10:21-22 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:5-8 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:37-39 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me. John 6:44-45 And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father. From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him. John 6:65-66 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:47 I Am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep. John 10:11 But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:26-27 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. John 12:37-40 As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him. John 17:2 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given Me; for they are thine. John 17:9 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. Ephesians 5:25 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified. Romans 8:28-30

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace; Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:1-14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Jeremiah 13:23 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Timothy 1:9 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Whereunto He called you by our Gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:14 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 2:28-29 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:6-8 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth. Romans 9:13-18 Hath not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory. Romans 9:21-23 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the Power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:2-5 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:26-31

Calvinism is a horrible mind-trick. Calvinism redefines words and sticks the wrong definitions into our minds. Calvinism is a Gnostic spinoff that makes a mockery of all of God’s emotions and commands and warnings. My sad observation is that very few people have the objection-thinking capacity to see the obvious contradictions. Once people become accustomed to contradictions (suppressing the obvious truth), a Romans-1 mind-numbing effect begins to occur. Calvinism is terrifying because I watch intelligent people literally unable to read & believe words on a page, like “God desires all men to be saved”, which God states multiple times.

@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783 Thank you for sharing all these verses. If this is the best you got, it even more clearly shows how wrong Calvinism is. The reason you think these are such undeniable big "proofs" is because you still have your blinders on. To Christians, they are just referencing Gods love. Even the ones that seem individually deterministic, in context are referencing groups of people. None of these justify belief in an unloving God who destroys his creation for his own glory. Gods glory is revealed in love, even unto the ultimate sacrifice. You are commanded to do likewise and love your fellow man. The fact that you are quick to see your fellow man tortured for eternity without sufficient justification shows your lack of love and empathy. You weren't rightly horrified by the implications of Calvinism, so you didn't do the work of researching to find the truth. Either laziness, or lack of love for your brothers, or lack of love for the truth. It's sin. Repent.

@@JWar- God reveals the Doctrines of Grace to us when the Holy Spirit leads us to study His Word and not to take the words of men as fact without looking to the Scriptures to see if what they are teaching is found in them. The reason you think that my God is unloving is because you don't fully grasp the fallen state of unregenerate men and you do not understand God's attributes, particularly His justice. Regeneration is the work of the Holy Spirit and it precedes faith. We are all born spiritually dead and in bondage to sin. The natural man cannot know the things of the Spirit so we must be born again. When we are born of the Spirit our new nature sees who God is, how wicked we have been and what Jesus has done for us. We repent and put our God given faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. We confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead. He which has begun a good work in us will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ, we don't take the glory for any of it, all the glory goes to God. None of us deserve God's grace and mercy and everyone who is cast into the lake of fire deserves God's wrath.

I completely see that now.

To allow that preacher in is like asking a demon to preach! They pretty well would say the same thing. Truth in Love

@@truth7416 Yeah, I try to be softer with brothers in Christ, but I think you're right. Calvinism was probably one of the devil's own inventions. A demon's favorite sermon is, "God doesn't love you! You can't be saved! God didn't choose you! And you can't choose God!"

@@truth7416 a demon? Do they not get baptized? Do they not worship the same God? This is not edification of the body of christ .

@@Mjpaeschke they are pointing out that Calvinism sows division and doubt. These are not fruit of the Spirit. Calvinism is dangerous to faith.

yeah, protestants are always submitting to Scripture, whatever they believe - because for each of them Scripture only says what they are disposed to accept as true in a certain moment - the problem is that sola scriptura inevitably leads to only obeying oneself

Pauline only heresy..... preaches a different grace or different gospel for jews and gentiles.... this is heretical. Be aware.

Same here. For years I feared I might not be chosen to be saved. It was a thorn in my side i couldnt pull out. It took the Lord to pull it out and rescue me from this horrible theology. Praise God I am free from its sffect.

@@jessejames3149 praise God!!! I had the same fears, but they were intensified when I had children. When my daughter was born, I wasn't excited. I could only look at her precious face and wonder if God loved her as much as I did and if he chose her. Now I fully believe all of my children and know Christ and be saved. ❤️

@@dallas41891 Amen brother!! Since coming back to the Lord I have learned so much about the Calvinism lie and have learned to refute it. Augustine was a manichism gnostic. I learned from good brothers like Joe Schimmel's expose on Calvin and calvinism. What a blessing. God bless you brother.

Reformed 5-Point Calvinism The problem with Calvinists is they just don’t understand Christianity. Christianity is not a mystery to them. Christianity is written on every page of the Bible. Calvinism is no where to be found. Paul preaches Christianity and calls Calvinism a Doctrine of Demons. Calvinists straw man Christianity because they are on the outside looking in. Only discernment can understand the deep love in Christianity, which Calvinist do not have. Christians try to win the lost to Christ. Calvinists discourage the lost from seeking Christ. Jesus says to the sinner come. Calvinists say to the sinner you can’t come. No man has an excuse saying they don’t believe in God all creation in Romans proves that. The Calvinist says most people cannot see that God exists by observing the Creation. Nothing makes people hate God faster than Calvinism! Nothing turns people into Atheists faster than Calvinism! Nothing kills hope and love faster than Calvinism! Calvinism is nothing more than a group of puffed up intellectuals without spiritual discernment from the holy spirit. It's just a topic of verbal gymnastics. They become fools with a mission, to make foolishness the things of God that they themselves WILL NOT ACCEPT! Their songs sound like this "Jesus loves me, this I know. As for you, I don't think so. Only some to Him belong. We are right and you are wrong. Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! Yes, Jesus loves me! But I hope this isn't effervescent grace that I'm walking in and instead I'm actually deceived and one of the reprobates that He created to burn as a candle for His glory in Hell forever." The verdict to those who preach this Heresy! This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. Deuteronomy 30: 19-20 Proverbs 1 : 23 Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my thoughts to you, I will make known to you my teachings. 24 But since you refuse to listen when I call and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand, 25 since you disregard all my advice and do not accept my rebuke, 26 I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you; I will mock when calamity overtakes you- Truth in Love

@@truth7416 Decisional Regenerationalist reject all scripture that goes against their idea. The Reformation is part of History. Calvin did not make a new doctrine but all he did is referring to the early church fathers like John Chrysostom, against the heresies of the Catholic church However I gladly give you some Bible text Words like “predestined - predestinated - foreknowledge - elect - election - foreordained” appear with regularity and are always the basis for Pauline teaching on salvation. When someone denies personal predestination from before the foundation of the World” it shows that they have never really stood toe-to-toe with the Bible and read it for what it actually says. The staunchest brick wall opposition to deny the truth of God’s word is always built on traditions of men; never on the clear word of Scripture. Our fleshly, human ego just loves the idea that our “will” is totally at liberty. Yet, the Bible tells us that we are “dead in trespasses and sins.” Human tradition refuses to believe that. And Biblical salvation is always based on God’s free and sovereign grace, Only His will and His good pleasure; NEVER on our willingness first and God’s grace last. Again, human tradition refuses to believe that. Exodus 33:19 And he said, “I will make all my goodness pass before you and will proclaim before you my name ‘The Lord.’ And I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. Proverbs 16:4 The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of Doom. Matthew 20:23 He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.” Matthew 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Mark 13:20 And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days. John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to Me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. Acts 4:12 Nor is there SALVATION in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. John 6:44 NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS the Father who sent me DRAWS him. And I will raise him up on the last day. Coming to Christ and Salvation is Only by the DRAWING of the Father. Not By us choosing. I absolutely know that you will keep on denying the TRUTH. Pray for conviction by the Holy Spirit, of your lost state. John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. John 17:9 I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.” 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. Romans 11:7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, Ephesians 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will. Ephesians 1:11-12 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 1 Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Galatians 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, 1 Thessalonians 1:4 For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, Revelation 13:8 And all who dwell on earth will worship it, ( So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast) everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. Revelation 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more. Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree. Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. Never Lost is Never Saved. How much FREE-WILL do people in Thailand have with 93% practicing Buddhist and 5.5% Islam 1.5% divided in no religion and Christians? To be born & raised a Buddhist only a miracle from our Sovereign Lord can change the heart of a person. If God wanted all to be saved all would be saved. The old covenant was for Israel only. The new covenant does not have limitation to certain people. But to people who hear the Gospel.

She helped you be a demon.

@@jonedward3208 ouch 🤕

@@jonedward3208 He is wrong and so is she, but a demon? That's not possible and not helpful.

Please carefully and prayerfully compare the following verses... As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12 We love Him, because He first loved us. 1 John 4:19 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the Church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I Am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. Matthew 16:15-17 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy sight. All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him. Luke 10:21-22 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:5-8 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:37-39 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me. John 6:44-45 And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father. From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him. John 6:65-66 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:47 I Am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep. John 10:11 But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:26-27 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. John 12:37-40 As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him. John 17:2 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given Me; for they are thine. John 17:9 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. Ephesians 5:25 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified. Romans 8:28-30

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace; Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:1-14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Jeremiah 13:23 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Timothy 1:9 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Whereunto He called you by our Gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:14 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 2:28-29 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:6-8 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth. Romans 9:13-18 Hath not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory. Romans 9:21-23 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the Power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:2-5 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:26-31

So terrible

Exactly!

Wow. That’s a really tough situation😬 My wife lost a close friend to Calvinism. Now it’s the elephant in the room at every encounter and her friend seems to look down on my wife as a poor simpleton, who just can’t grasp the “deep truths” of scripture. It’s hard not to view Calvinism as a cancerous growth on the body of Christ 😢

I know a few couples who have faced a lot of struggle in thinking differently in these things. It’s a huge deal. If he wants to speak with my husband, he’d be willing to.

Sorry Marie Bo! I've often thought of how hard it would be if my husband was reformed, since I'm not. Prayed for you.

It is indeed devastating and destructive to the marriage when one partner believes Calvinism and the other adamantly rejects it. I'm not sure how it can be overcome. At best you end up living sadly separate lives together.

@@janicehenreckson1615 well no not so much. We’re happily married in every other aspect and he is my bff for real. Lol. Since this topic came up in church yesterday, I’m taking her example in my approach and we’re both being intentional in making sure we try to understand what the other believes and why. So we’ll see. I did tell him if asked I’m always going to be honest about where I stand and why. He respects that. As long as open discussion is on the table, that’s all I ask at this point.

The SBC is lost to it.

Hey, Joel Osteen expresses much joy as he misleads millions. Alana might as well join in.

Joel Osteen doesn't not mislead millions but you do with youre loose tongue.@@Gablesman888

Oh, Alana, may I add another observation. Much has been made in our interpretations of, "the man was first formed, then the woman." (See 1 Cor. 11:7-12.) But I notice something peculiar on Easter, the dawn of the 'first day' of NEW CREATION: Jesus, revealed His "life-giving spirit" or 'appeared' to Mary, a woman, BEFORE the men! And was SENT (apostleship?) to tell the rest of the bunch THE GOOD NEWS AND WHERE TO MEET HIM! That seems significant. One cannot say Jesus was in any imposition to do this, was He--the Resurrected, victorious, now declared to the the Son of God IN AUTHORITY, constrained to do this? Paul, in his wit in the above cited Scripture, is tempered with such insights, even given his formation in traditional Judaism. With a glance back at the creation narrative and acknowledging the male role, he is quick to add: 1 Cor 11:11-12 (NET): "In any case, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For just as woman came from man, so man comes through woman. But all things come from God." This is RESURRECTION Theology as a new paradigm on old ideas. May God bless us to read Scripture through the lens of Easter, as did the apostles. Welcome, sister theologian. Let us rejoice in the marvel of God's full revelation in Jesus Resurrected. I think we often forget the cross is a composite event, not significant ultimately without Easter. May we men remember we too share a composite existence as "image of God" with women, ESPECIALLY NOW this side of Easter. Bless you, Alana, for stepping up... that's so "apostolic" of you! 🤣(I really don't know where we got the idea that having authority was equal with dominance, Jesus said the 'chief' were servants, and I know no other creatures that has submitted to servanthood more than women. Seriously, God bless His Son and His female image-bearers. It has been your day to shine now for 2 millennia!)

Yes! You’re right. I’m so glad for comments like these that mention things I didn’t!

The sealing of the Spirit isn't exactly the same thing as the new birth. The new birth would be more comprehensive, and involve the entire work of the Holy Spirit in bringing us to Christ and transforming our lives. The sealing is the end result.

@@robertwheeler1158 Thanks for your reply 🙏🏻 So would you suggest that the text says 1.) you hear the Word, 2.) you believe the Word, 3.) you receive the end result (being sealed by the Spirit)? It sounds very encompassing to me? The text doesn’t say anything about being born again and then steps 1,2,3 following. Furthermore the text describes how we (“you”) are being included IN CHRIST and therefore share in the blessings in Christ mentioned in the previous verses. Therefore if this describes our initiation into Christ and in His blessing and shared inheritance, mentioning the work of the Spirit can’t be taken as something that does not encompass His work of regeneration.

@@lucasdewitartist7406 It's a little confusing here. The term "born again" is one that Jesus uses in John 3 to describe the process of spiritual renewal. The various blessings mentioned in Eph. 1 are the result of being "in Christ." The sealing of the Spirit is the down payment that gives us the assurance that we belong to Christ and will inherit eternal life. But the question remains, how do we come to believe in the first place? And as Paul goes on to explain in chapter 2, we were once spiritually dead and it was God who made us alive.

@@robertwheeler1158, yes you rightly point out that the Holy Spirit is given to us as a down payment Who gives us assurance of things to come, just like the text says. But like I mentioned, v13 describes how we are initiated in Christ. Although a specific work of the Spirit is being highlighted - to seal and to assure - I have to receive Him in order to be sealed and assured by Him. Since v13 describes my initiation, and the Spirit’s work of sealing and assuring is mentioned after the hearing of and the belief in the Word, I have no warrant to believe I received the Spirit before the whole process. v13 Does say how we come to believe - after hearing the Word. That lines up with Paul’s teaching in Romans - “faith comes by hearing the Word of Christ “. So that verse in Romans 10 (I think it is Romans 10) speaks more directly to the question “how do we come to believe?”. Maybe we are missing each other? Do you believe that 1.) a person must be regenerated by the Spirit in order to believe? And 2.) That the reception/sealing/assurance of the Spirit is something that happens after you are regenerated by the Spirit? (Just on a side note, I just want to make it clear that I’m in no way one of those who like to pick a fight with my brother in Christ, and that in public. I appreciate our discussion! And so I hope that you read my comments knowing I respect you and look forward to meet you in glory one day)

Leighton Flowers ... he's the bomb. So comprehensively and relentlessly, dismantling Calvinism. So needed.

Amen!!

yeah, we must be faithful to the whole Scripture, meaning that the principle of sola scriptura makes God's revelation is unattainable for the non-specialist.... meaning that protestantism is false... as Calvinism and so many other the versions of that pretension to discover the true Christianity against and outside the Church...

Your wording didn't come out well. Anyway, Calvinism is demonic.

That's true! Equally as sad as those who become arrogant because they feel they are "chosen" are those on the opposite side of the coin: those who are tricked by Calvinism and become depressed because they believe they are NOT chosen. While we don't hear as much about the ones on that side, they are definitely out there. One of the top Christian singers from a few years ago who was a Calvinist became convinced he was "not elect" and left Christianity altogether because of it.

@@DamonNomad82 that's really heartbreaking that somebody left the faith of Jesus for that reason. There always hope they will find the truth.

I’m so sorry. Yes, same conclusion for us. We had to do the same:/ all of our elders were 5 point Calvinists and it was too hard to stay under them. The Lord is with you guys!!

@@AlanaL3 You are so so encouraging Sister. God bless you.

The only two " fruits " of Calvinism are divisions and confusion!

Hello Arkansas friend. I so understand. I moved to Arkansas from Dallas two years ago. And I found it difficult to find a strong Bible believing church that values scripture and holiness and NOT Calvinistic. No church is perfect of course! But praise God… He heard those prayers and has led me to one I am currently serving in. Blessings to you all in Tennessee and praying He leads y’all as He has for me.

Glad you found a place to land. We are looking at a couple churches in our area. I’m struggling with whether to stay or leave the SBC altogether. There is so many issues with one being they produce Calvinist pastors out of their seminaries. Calvinism will be a bigger problem in the future.

Wow! I had the same experience! A year ago we left a mega church, got sucked into a reformed Baptist church. We were there for almost a year and left cuz it felt like a cult 😅

Oh... here’s the video btw... in case anyone wanted to listen. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a-AWxEE9dCg.html

It sure is great to see people coming out of it, indeed! Amen!

Thank God for you, Leighton Flowers and Mike Winger (and others) who are bold to speak out so clearly on the unscrptural system of Calvinism. I grew up in a compatibalistic Calvinist tradition. My eyes were opened to it's errors first through reading Dave Hunt's book "What Love is This?" Finding others online who defend Biblical soteriology has been so refreshing. There is such joy and freedom in my worship to know God genuinely loves all people he created, that He truly is wise and powerful enough to give us genuine freedom of choice while working all things together perfectly in His sovereign plan!

Are Calvinist saved?

@@jongee4336 you’d have to ask the Calvinist that. Not every Calvinist believes the same. Not very person that says they’re Calvinist knows exactly what they’re saying, some people literally regurgitate ideas w/o having actually processed them. Only God knows the heart. And my knowledge of anyone person’s walk of life is very limited. Perhaps it could be they’re not actually saved based on acceptance and profession but later in life they are. 🤷🏻‍♀️ But what I can tell you is that peeps like Johnny Mac saying that, “Calvinism is the gospel …” are treading dangerous waters. That’s where Calvinism becomes a different gospel.

@@jongee4336 there is no biblical salvation in calvinism. If a calvinist is saved, it's because of who they were before coming into calvinism. Alana was a Christian before she stumbled into calvinism

@@jongee4336 they may be. It’s in spite of their doctrine though not because of it.

@@jongee4336 there is no gospel in TULIP. The gospel is found in the pages of scripture. Calvinism saves no one.

Part 1... As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:10-12 We love Him, because He first loved us. 1 John 4:19 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins. Matthew 1:21 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 2 Corinthians 5:19 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the Church of God, which He hath purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I Am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. Matthew 16:15-17 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy sight. All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and He to whom the Son will reveal Him. Luke 10:21-22 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:5-8 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do Mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. John 6:37-39 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto Me. John 6:44-45 And He said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto Me, except it were given unto him of My Father. From that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him. John 6:65-66 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. John 8:47 I Am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep. John 10:11 But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. John 10:26-27 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on Him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. John 12:37-40 As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given Him. John 17:2 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given Me; for they are thine. John 17:9 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church, and gave Himself for it. Ephesians 5:25 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified. Romans 8:28-30 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace; Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the Gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of Promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:1-14

Part 2... But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. Jeremiah 13:23 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Timothy 1:9 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Whereunto He called you by our Gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 22:14 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 2:28-29 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 9:6-8 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew My power in thee, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth. Romans 9:13-18 Hath not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory. Romans 9:21-23 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the Power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:2-5 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 1:26-31

1 John 2:2 mentions propitiation which means the satisfaction of God's wrath. If the whole world means every person who ever lived then why does anyone go to the Lake of Fire? If Jesus is the satisfaction of God's wrath and he died for everybody who ever lived then God's wrath is satisfied and nobody would go to the Lake of Fire. If Jesus dies for someone and they are damned then that would be Double Jeopardy because Jesus paid the price for them but they still must pay for their own sins. The whole world means people of all tribes, tongues and nations but not every person of every tribe, tongue and nation. When the Bible says ALL it means Jews and Gentiles. " I will pour my out my Spirit upon ALL flesh" it does not mean every person in the world it means Jews and Gentiles.

The verse before says he is the Advocate - do you think He intercedes for the world and fails? No, Matthew says He came to save His people from their sins, John is saying 'not Priestly for Israel only' but for believers of the whole world e.g. Gentiles included.

@@Bibliotechno you said it, he came to save his people, who are his people? His people are the sheep, the ones he died for not the goats. *John 10 : 11,26-29* I am the Good Shepherd; the Good Shepherd giveth His life for the sheep. But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them and they follow Me. And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. My Father, who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father’s hand.

The only people doing mental gymnastics are the ones trying desperately to wiggle themselves outside of God’s sovereignty. John is talking about all nations not every person.

@@dwashington1333 where does the Bible say, that no one for whom Christ died will go to the lake of fire?

Promises that he will give those in Christ:)

Maybe you will be In for big surprise, don't get too cocky.

What exactly are you disagreeing with? It would seem you’re disagreeing with scripture based on the fact that the interpretation doesn’t align with your theological stances as a Calvinist. (To clarify, I am assuming you hold to TULIP as your foundation for biblical interpretation as a self proclaimed Calvinist.) She didn’t interject with any sort of doctrine. She let scripture interpret scripture. Could you be more clear as to what exactly it is you strongly disagree with? Jesus clearly defined who “family” is, those that are about the Father’s business. You literally cannot just claim to be brothers and sisters w/o actually knowing you’re about the same business. Clearly, you strongly disagree with what she’s preaching here.

@@ruralmillennial4354 bro what? U do understand that I also believe in all scripture and we both think we have the correct interpretation of these texts... not sure why you're so hostile for no reason. We also hold to the same gospel I think. The most concerning thing about her views are her rejection of PSA but I'm honestly not sure if that's grounds to deny her as a Christian because I'm not sure whether it is or isn't a fundamental issue. I still love the heart and like she said she's on a journey

@@jongee4336 “bro what?” I’m not a bro., just thought you’d like to know. And, hostile? The only thing you didn’t do was answer what exactly do you disagree with? Don’t want to answer the question, simply say you’d rather not answer. This is open and friendly dialogue. But in my opinion your hostile response might be indicative of not really knowing what you strongly disagree with. She let scripture interpret scripture.

good for you man. Really consider the challenge. It’s good for all of us and at least one of us is wrong. Take care man

Strongly Disagree? she is right! Apostle Paul over John Calvin anyday!

@UCxU4ncSv5JGc11bJNeRcGPA oh ok. I like your dedication and how much you study. So is there anything else that doesn't fall in this category in your perspective or is faith the only thing that we do not recieve from God?

Faith is absolutely included in this category. Philippians 1:29 says that God grants us to believe in Christ. This is a work of God, not man.

@@horton6459 that is a gross misinterpretation of Scripture. The context is suffering, not salvation.

I wouldn’t try to refute it. I would just leave:/ No books, just Bible. :)

Yeah... I'll have that in mind... thank you

@@andresbenavides1768 How did it go? Did you leave? And if so, how are things for you now? :(

@@AlanaL3 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RxSeHTXr3dw.html Lmk what you think about this vid! I do like flowers explanation also. ​ have you heard the explanation from Andrew Farley? It seemed to be simpler to understand. Ch. 1 Paul refers to “we” and “us” Jews “were first to believe in Christ” or chosen before the foundation of the world. Then transitions to V. 13 “and you also” (Gentiles) we’re predestined as well to receive the gospel before the foundation of the world. It is just now being revealed to them through Paul. This had always been the plan but it just hasn’t been revealed until then. If that makes sense! So instead of reading this as individual selection for salvation. it’s about 2 people groups (Jew/Gentiles) both predestined to be grafted into salvation through faith apart from works of the law. Ch 2. hammers the point of chapter 1 down. Gentiles who were far off without a covenant have been brought near. John 12:32

@@nickkruger2611 thanks for sharing! I listened…if just listening it makes great sense, but when I read it did not. I ended up not agreeing with this brother on his explanation. I will listen to the Roman’s one soon:)