I'm on my second, too. Had a 2013 basic model, then bought a 2015 ES. Great machine but NOT AN OFFROAD bike, I normally get just below 50 mpg on the interstate doing 70mph. Drive shaft is boss.
You're a really good reviewer. Conversational, straight-forward, natural style, and easy to listen to. You just tell it like it is. I'm buying a 2020 ST this week. You've helped me make that decision. Ride on!
@@Asdfghjkl1234 Really enjoying the Super T. It does NOT have sexy electronics/instrumentation, but it's adequate. The overall performance of the bike, the smoothness, the handling are all excellent. I love that the Super T is so straightforward and has a reputation as bulletproof.
Great easy to follow observations. I have the 2014 XT1200Z Super Tenére in blue. It's the 'every complaint' upgraded model. I must say I am thrilled with it. Gives me 45mpg. Yamaha make exceptionally high quality bikes. I did a clip( on RU-vid) on modifying the exhaust to give better flow & some better cubic inches thumper sound. Bought it used. Put Mitas E07 Dakar tyres on. To me they are 'so, so'. Just changed to the Motoz Tractionator GPS. Try get a later year model. I paid $7500 for mine with 16k miles. They are out there. 👍
A great engineered bike, Yamaha quality, far better than a GS, in my book, twin spark heads, 270crank, the smart thing Yamaha pioneered years ago, to smooth out the bike, good on fire trails, never intended for aggressive off-road use, a great all-rounder.
Why Yamaha leaves this bike? Tested last saturday : it was very good, for me much better than tracer 900, more torque , better drive position , bigger and more space with lateral bags.. I don't know why yamaha doesn't improve this bike like honda and bmw does ( color and bigger display, led lamps, euro5 exhaust emission, automatic gearing..)
I have a 2017 model and I love it, I also have a Ducati 1100 Scrambler which is also good but in a different way. I use it as a long distance comfortable road tourer that is bullet proof reliable, and only has the electric gadgets that you really need, no ipod connectivity! Only major down side is the overall weight and like you say it gets hot quick when going slow and fan is noisy.
I have a 2012 just like this one. I take mine on fire roads, dirt roads and some easy jeep trails, example is Animas Forks in Colorado which was pretty rocky in some sections. Now the s10 will do harsher terrain but for me it's is just too much of a workout too be much fun. The crash bars are optional and not standard on the bike. Even if you like the power as it is consider getting the ECU flash, it's a world of difference, really wakes the bike up.
👍 I have the same 12 Raven S 10 and its one of my favorite color schemes (including red/white & yellow/black). Your side mounted crashguards being an issue to service items are aftermarket items and not Yamaha. Most folks use aftermarket crashbars that work from the ground up to the bottom of those panels for the reasons you mentioned. The issues of battery and fuse panel services are a non issue on stock S10's (they dont have those guards in the way). I currently have 5 bikes in the garage of all types. The S10 has found its place as my long distance interstate tourer and foul weather commuter. It sees mild offroad when touring, but nothing more then jeep trails. Ugly, underpowered, does nothing great, but everything well and keeps it an endearing favorite. Teneres need additional $$ to no doubt make better. I spent on better crash protection, better windscreen / adjustable brackets, complete exhaust system and ecu reflash (deletes all the restrictors you mentioned like the 1st gear timing pulls for wheelie prevention and gets rid of most of the jerky TBW between 2k and 3k rpms and slow speed stuff. All in all a great bike, lot of bang for the $, with its biggest plus over the BMW's (for me as a long distance interstate tourer) is its reliability and large dealer network across the country here. Theres always a Yamaha dealer nearby for parts wherever you go here, the BMW hardly.
I'm in the UK and my 2011 has a hazard button and pass flasher on the left cluster. The optomistic speedometer is done for the European market, where you can not be showing a speed below the posted speed limit, but they can not be more than 7% over. Therefore manufacturers avoid lawsuits by always being over by a few kph/mph. So if you speedo is showing 60 in a 60 mph zone, you can't be speeding.
I have a 2019 manual Africa Twin and Im looking at the Super Tenere ES, I tried one a few years back and the suspensions felt like a magic carpet. The Africa is pretty good, but valves need to be checked twice as often (and its a big job every 24000km $$$$), and the Tenere is even more comfortable and no chain to think about. Without an exhaust the engine is a bit boring...but with an exhaust it actually sounds pretty decent :)
Having to interrupt any trip or ride for a repair is a HUGH unacceptable event. There are not always repair shops or towns especially in vast open distances. Reliability and simplicity eleminates a lot of issues. It is possible to almost never have breakdowns if you buy right, setup right, maintain well, and do not abuse. Caveat Empor.
Hazard lights are very handy when: 1. There is a hazard 2. Broke down on side of road 3. To signal fellow riders behind you 4. Makes you be seen. 5. Great when trying to folkow someine in traffic in high traffic areas.
I'm on my 2nd super tenere first 1 was 2013 model and now a 2019 es model owned over 2 yrs now loving the tenere a truly great machine with no issues for me.
@VehicleHunter pretty similar but new generation 1 seems much smoother and this 1 has electronic suspension which is not essential but nice to have,overall not a massive difference.Both bike are great mile buster machines
XT1200Z is awesome once suspension is sorted out, at least for my Colorado riding, super reliable and fun once set up correctly. Swap out the silencer, It will blow your mind how heavy the oem is!
KTM only offers a warranty on the engine and drivetrain. Get an electrical problem as you walk out the door? Too bad. You pay for it. That tells me that KTM has no confidence in their bikes. No Sale!
Escribo en español por que no me permitió el corrector escribir en Inglés. Es una muy buena máquina, confortable, confiable, permite ir hasta el fin del mundo y regresar sin mayor contratiempo. Solo requiere de un mantenimiento básico y pide solo llantas y pastillas de freno. Me llama la atención que su moto no trae el botón de las luces de peligro el cual en mi moto se ubica en los controles de la mano izquierda y que no tiene los bombillos arriba de los bombillos principales. No hablo tampoco de la llave codificada. Cosas a mejorar puede poner una toma para accesorios que tenga más de 3 amp. El propio de la moto solo permite conectar un celular o un GPS, no alcanza para un compresor de aire. Tambien puede colocar unos deflectores de viento laterales para sentir corriente de aire en las piernas. Así mismo las luces se pueden mejorar sin poner bombillos LED solo cambiando el color de bombillo por uno más blanco. Y por último si viaja mucho de noche unas luces auxiliares son necesarias
Speedos are always error prone full stop unless gps driven. Chain is down to your maintenance. Keep it adjusted and lived with gear oil and you’ll get 15-20 k out of it. Check before your trip and replace the C&S as a whole if you have any doubt.
Yeeeessssss;))) I bought one, first series with 24k miles/40k km, added another 20k miles in 2,5 years and still love it. The only real issue I had with it was a dead battery, quirky start - start up sequence flooded the spark plugs so had to start the bike with kill switch off key on, so the plugs not getting flooded anymore. Cheap to run, fun bike if you can afford to take it off road and drop it a few times,;))
The quirky cold start behaviour, or 'hard start' issue is common and well understood. Lots of videos on RU-vid on how to resolve it. Have experienced it on my 2014 Super Tenere but it's not a reason not to buy one. Other non-Yamaha bikes can have the same quirk and even my daughter's VW Up! car has had it.
@@dcasteaux9181 Is it? When I had to read up on it i got the feeling based on what I've read that this is just a Super Tenere thing.;)) I had two 2008 Teneres before my Super Tenere, and never had this issue with them, so I was surprised. I might just got lucky. But to have it on car... that's interesting to me. I only drive cars when I'm visiting my parents, so I don't have much experience with them. Thank you for the info!;))
I had a 2011 Super Tenere. It's really hard to have a legit complaint about the bike. It's sort of a swiss army knife that does most everything pretty well, but not exceedingly well...except for being dead-nutz reliable! I will admit that I traded it in on a Africa Twin in 2017, but, at the time, the price I paid for a new AT was pretty comparable to the OTD price I paid for the Tenere. I think the only maintenance issue I ever had was a super-snatchy throttle in both T and S modes, which I fixed by replacing the TPS. I had that same MC cruise throttle lock on it, LOL! That's something that kind of irked me....they built a bike that was throttle by wire since introduction, but you couldn't get a proper cruise control option. That came later, basically in the form a firmware change! All in all, I understand the strategy of entering at a lower price point then scaling/improving later on, but darnit, the later versions of this bike have everything I wished it had shortly after I bought it...minus the narrower saddle, longer suspension travel and 21" front wheel. I think as used bike; however, it is one of the best values out there. Usable in so many ways. I had the ECU flashed on mine, which unleased what that 1200cc engine was capable of. At that time the only flash available was in Italy. Now you have so many places to get it flashed. I eliminated the CAT as well, but kept the stock can.
The later model Super Tenere XT1200ZE (ES in the USA) - (2014 0NWARDS), didn't have a 21" front wheel.....Unless I am reading your post wrongly! But the later models had most of the improvements that the earlier models really needed to make the bike that much better. The sound of the engine is improved a little with a better exhaust and the touring mode on the bike is still a bit of a waste of time in any riding situation, Sport mode should just be called "Standard" mode and is the best mode for use in all situations, except perhaps off road...The bike is ultra reliable, it's incredible, and the range of the bike from full to about 3/4 ltrs remaining of, reserve fuel, gets you about 240miles + depending on how one rides the bike. Great bike and massively under rated by almost all,....and those are most who haven't ridden it or, at least, ridden it using it for a fair while to actually get to see how the bike is which is an excellent machine! It's weakness against more modern ADV's (also a lot more expensive), is probably it's weight, 260kg's but once on the move it doesn't feel weighty at all. I don't think the headlights, from my extensive use of this machine, 55000+ miles, are even adequate, especially in dark nights and when it is raining, very poor. Not even with a relatively cheap easy mod of replacing your normal H7 bulbs with mini H7 connector L.E.D. "bulbs", there is a little improvement but not much. Denali auxillary lights fitted would make all the difference.
I bought a 2013 with 5k miles on it the bike was flawless!! looking for another since mine was totalled!! I took it off_road on road twisties mud dirt roads gravel etc buy it buy it buy it but save me one
My 2019 super Tenere ES gets 310miles to a tank (500km). The only thing I am not a fan of is when you pull in the clutch the gear indicator shows a dash. So when you stop at a light and are in the ready position you can’t see if your in 1st gear. This is a big miss in my opinion. My previous bike was a 2014 Vstrom 1000 and it showed the gear you were in with the clutch pulled in. Good video
Same bike, same stats here in cold Quebec, just using the Sport mode! Best ever bike I ever bought! Two complaints, tough: 1) cases keylocks are key destroyers!; 2) on very cold mornings (under or around 0 C), the engine needs a very little input of gas to start and you can’t miss it, because you’re dead. Love my S10 to the bones!
Questions: You mentioned that the bike runs hot. At what ambient (air) temp, do you start to notice the heat? Would you recommend this or a VStrom 650 for Florida heat?
I had a vstrom 650, it ran much cooler than the tenere. The s10 kind of boils you if its really hot and you are doing bumper traffic. But if its moving its ok. Anything above 95 degrees i can feel the heat on the left side of the bike. The vstrom was very neutral with the head. But no shaft drive.
@@AValentinoFilms No, only has the usual day trip stuff (basic tools, spare gloves, rain suit), and a few items in the tank bag. I had mostly empty hard side cases, and tail trunk.
@@AValentinoFilms Both good choices. I went S10 due to the tubeless tires and shaft drive. Most of my miles are on road, although I sometimes do truly nasty things with it off road. Its ability off road is a lot more dependant on your skill and what tires are mounted than the difference between bikes.
Owned a 2016 Tenere. Best budget adventure bike. But, I would save up for a GSA though. Engine is decent, but not aggressive enough. Was able to modify the bike with plenty of aftermarket mods. Shaft drive is excellent-hate chains for a touring bike. Did not take this bike off road. Too heavy.
Handles great on dirt/gravel, better than the KLR 650 in this regard for sure. Some year GSA's have horrible final drive problems, bad enough they impload on the side of a road.
Why would those bars being related with gallons? That thing is not built is the US 😁 In the metric world, taking in account it's consumption it can easily be related as one of those bars to around 100km range at it's normal consumption. Just kidding anyway. Great review of it. By the way, in other reviews i've heard about that allen key to take the right pannel is actually under the seat. Considering to buy one soon for myself 👍✌
I keep seeing these super teneres used and on sale at dealerships as trade ins........I think people buy these thinking that they're going to do these massive "offroad " trips, but really this bike is a touring bike in Enduro clothing.........
I know its a year later,, but I hope you can answer my question. Your machine had 50k+ miles when you purchased it. I hope you received the service history w/it. Were the required 26k valve clearance checks completed and what were the results 🤔? Thanks for your consideration and reply. Cheers 🍻,, G.
Never got history with it. But i believe it had a very good record of maintenance because the previous owner seems to be very detail oriented. This bike has now 72k and seems fine. No valve checks yet, if it starts tapping ill look into it. I've had a friend who recently checked his and it was in spec, its a pain to do. But it seems the valves set after 40k miles and stay there.
@@VehicleHunter ,, thanks for your reply 🙏. My bike is currently just under 15k miles. I'm very DIY handy 🔧🔩 and can accomplish the checks, " if absolutely necessary ". Yes, it is a major pain and would like to avoid it if possible. I still have plenty of miles to go. I'm researching my options. The local Yamaha dealer is out of the question,, the service department labor rate is $165hr 🤦♂️. OUCH!! So,, I will continue to monitor as needed and ride into the sunset 🌇 😍 . Take care, Ride safe and have a great weekend. Cheers 🍻,, G. In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇲
I've run mine 34,000 miles in about 2.5 years. Oil change every 4,000 miles (Rotella), shaft drive gear oil every 8,000 miles(Valvoline). Takes me about 20 minutes and about $30usd. I've replaced the hub gasket ($28), front brake switch ($0 recall), and had the forks rebuilt because seals leaked ($hundreds, don't do wheelies!). Great bike, I ride about 1,000 miles a month and love it.
I love cycles, I hate chain drives on cycles. ESPECIALLY on an adventure bike/trail bike. I do NOT want to 40miles back on some backwoods old trail/road amd then have a chain or sprocket failure. That WHY I purchased the Yamaha Super Tenere),
Once you have a shaft driven bike for a bike it's hard to go back. Love it, and any bike i keep for a while i want a shaft drive. I do with they made a mid size bike with a shaft drive.
Yep, one of the best mods for cold weather on these is an upgrade to barkbusters and storm handguards. Lets you run the levers where you want and not affecting the guards placement.
I bought my 2012Super Tenere this year. It is a very good Tourer for longer trips, but there are a couple of things i had to change to increase the comfort (noisy Windshield, horrible wristangle for tall riders). The most annoying thing that can`t change is a nocking sound around 2000 rpm when the engine ist completely warmed up. I notice this more while wearing earplugs. I have no idea what this could be. Did anyone notice this too?
I know the clutch on the first generation is very noisy and causes vibration around 3000rpm's. Gonna upgrade the clutch basket with 2015 model to sort that out. The problem is the springs on the clutch basket becomes loose over time. This was on suggestion from my local Yamaha dealer. See this video regarding replacement of the clutch basket: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kfP5iW3rrpQ.html
The ST1200 is nearly double the size to the VS650 but you try and compare mileage? You are crazy. You lose 10-15% power with a shaft drive. The 650 would be a heavy dog with a shaft. They also become more sluggish. Shaft drive and smaller bikes don't mix well. Few bikes have had it I have only seen it on cruisers of small size since they are sluggish already. If you can get 200 miles between fill ups you are doing fine. Are you touring outer Mongolia? Siberia? I didn't think so. If you need longer range get a piggyback gas tank mounted where your rear seat goes. I did the baby butt run years ago, 1000 miles in 1 day. I was riding a 21 year old Suzuki 1100 81 or 82 vintage. The guy who finished first, I cant say he won because it was not a race but he was a gentleman who was over 65 riding a Ducati sport bike It might have been an 891 or an 851 but he had a fuel cell mounted where the rear seat might be and he just kept riding. He must have good knees and a strong back. I doubt that you need more than 2 gallons of extra fuel to extend your range on the Sten. I have seen aftermarket rigs where the spare gas tanks mount to specially designed mounts that fit on the back rack or on the side or top of the luggage. Rotopax comes to mind although there are many competitors that are cheaper both in price and in construction quality.
Now that the T700 is out, would it have been a contender? I'm leaning towards the S10 but the T700 is quite appealing too. I probably won't be traveling any major distances or hitting the dirt too often. Comments?
@Geez Haus I Love the S10 for all those reasons.... except, you really can go in the dirt - just take it easy ;) And except for in the mud, it really isn't that hard to pick up (in part because of how wide it is, it doesn't lay all the way flat).
with that weight it is not adventure bike, it's touring bike. BTW tenere shaft drive often leaks, and when breaks you're stuck, chain you can fix anywhere.
@@VehicleHunter There is none. Hes just throwing stuff out. You will spend and do 3x more $$ and work with his sprockets and chains vs the S10 shaft drive. The only advantage to chain vs the S10 shaft drive is the ability to change gearing.
Oh man. Mine's a 2014 I bought last year with 30k miles. I ride with an S10 group and guys with more than twice the mileage. It's kinda boring but just keeps plugging away. It goes anywhere the expensive bikes go but with more reliability, less maintenance, and less cost. It's the one bike I plan on keeping. Good luck on your search. @@VehicleHunter
The two bikes are chalk and cheese - no comparison. When you are riding two up, fully loaded, into a strong head wind, believe me: you want to be on the ST. You will be home a long time before the 650 rider and I talk from experience.
@@ronvanlingen5160 I'm about to pull the trigger within a week or 2 on the ST. Tell me about your experience please. Is there a noticable increase in power? What's comfort like compared to the strom?
I had the vstrom 650 and I have the S10 now. I really did love the wee but the S10 is a more stable bike on the interstate and has more overall passing power. The 650 has a great transmission / engine combo. That sucker just sings, whereas the S10 is more agriculture like, but will always pull when you want it to. The S10 is like a pack mule to me. More of a traveller but on the open road that bitch will haul.
@@Romenet310 ended up getting the r1250gs. Just the base model with comfort package for the heated grips. A little more expensive that the S10 but loving it so far. Lots of extra power
@@peterfox5897 yeah I mean that is the best big adventure bike out there, no doubt. Only “problem” is the maintenance schedule a s how BMW sticks you there. That is to my understanding. Never owned one, but they look bad as hell and I know they are too notch.
You should really learn how to pronounce the name of the bike before reviewing it. It gives you credibility. Also, a lot of your opinions are flat out wrong. Lastly, you find Sport Mode "Twitchy" because you lack throttle control. More practice, Grasshopper!
Frankly I believe you are the one that loses credibility by: 1) addressing a pronunciation issue that has no impact on credibility; and, 2) not identifying the opinions you state are “flat out wrong”, when so many S10 owners agree with him? And in an obvious condescending manner overall.
@@scotthuntlivewithoutanet7692 Correct.... 👍 Ive been a daily rider since 89 ish. Ive owned alot of bikes. I currently own 5 from HDs, crotchrockets, dirt, to the S10. It does have a jerky on off tbw at slow speed, especially 2k to 3k and definitely the worst Ive come across. Sure you can skirt around it with clutch work, but the guy in the video is absolutely correct about the issue. The cure is a ecu reflash, yet the surging isnt completely gone at slow speeds.
