Incredible 5.56mm penetration test: M193 ball and Mk311 Mod3 Frangible. Is a house a barrier?

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@ArmamentAxes 4 года назад

Just a FYI, you call it "particle board" but particle board is glue and sawdust pressed (the stuff cheap furniture is made out of). What you are using is "OSB" (oriented strand board) or just wafer board, there is a difference between all 3 . Thanks for the video Tim, very interesting results !

@DillyDilly95 4 года назад

Can you continue this as a series but with different calibers maybe 9mm and 12 guage next.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

Yes we can and will!

@bendeleted9155 4 года назад

I can tell you in advance that 00 buck fired from the street can be found in the fence in the back yard. (window, wall, wall, wall, fence)

@champy1210 4 года назад

Military Arms Channel 300 BLK (you already mentioned 👍🏻)., *def.* 5.7 , and BESTmm, pls., Tim! Some insulation between the boards and ballistic gel at the end would be great improvements to this test. Great video. Thanks!

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@tylerpeterson19 4 года назад

Also throw in some liberty civil defense 5.56 or .223! I know the 9mm is frangible and I've seen similar tests done with the civil defense 9mm and it stops really quickly in barriers. But I haven't found this test done with the rifle calibers.

@jameswoody2011 4 года назад

Through the windows! through the walls! Go the M193 balls, all these bullets got spall. Get low!

@maverick3576 4 года назад

Passed the studs and thru the plywoods, thru the bed, bath and kitchen we go

@nra4ever2011 4 года назад

@@maverick3576 wonder how many cooking pots the magical tungsten would go through

@Brunsy2436 4 года назад

This one wins the comment section! Lol

@shadowopsairman1583 3 года назад

6 mil arc

@p.c.kipmerriman9409 4 года назад

You could always borrow Paul Harrell’s “meat target, with the new and improved fleece bullet stop” 😁

@pebo8306 4 года назад

Excellent!LOL Maybe the "Meat Target" has copyright pending!

@jodiephipps 4 года назад

I've seen a scale test the drywall was spaced 10-12 ft after the initial external siding, particle board and two pieces then a second set of drywall to simulate a small room caught the round maybe 30% of the time. They did include insulation and studs, but it seemed to indicate that the distance between walls allowed for the round to slow significantly. I'll see if I can google-fu the video up, as it's been several years.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

This would be true as once the bullet destabilizes it sheds velocity very quickly.

@kourgath007 4 года назад

I was thinking the same thing. Good to see someone has conducted a more realistic test. Houses are not built with one inch rooms, :-)

@m118lr 4 года назад

EXACTLY. “To scale” matters greatly...

@sillejin 4 года назад

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@PilgrimXXII 4 года назад

@@Militaryarmschannel One of the reasons SWAT teams began to pick up SBRs in 5.56NATO to replace the 9mm SMGs, if I recall.

@Mrgunsngear 4 года назад

Thanks

@mattwalters6834 3 года назад

Indeeeed

@RichardCranium321 4 года назад

"We don't know the velocity when it exits, we could put something back here..." I'm thinking chronograph "Like maybe a watermelon..." bc SCIENCE! 😅 I love this channel!

@ShawnEnglert 4 года назад

Put a Gel block behind it.

@RichardCranium321 4 года назад

@@ShawnEnglert for reference, reactivity, and price I say watermelon all the way. Pink mist is always fun to film 😅

@alexanderm8880 4 года назад

I would imagine if the bullet yawns then you could damage or destroy the chronograph?

@RichardCranium321 4 года назад

@@alexanderm8880 if its one that tracks the shadow of the round & not the Doppler or magneto-speed, just need a piece of polycarbonate

@ReverendMeat51 4 года назад

He said the chronograph couldn't read tumbling bullets.

@phillhuddleston9445 4 года назад

A gel test with the frangible will be interesting.

@ShawnHinck 4 года назад

“This is to simulate a home”, I don’t know of anyone who has walls that close to each other. When you increase the space, things kinda change a bit. But, anything that is capable stopping a threat effectively is going to make it through a few walls

@misobeno 4 года назад

My buddy almost a decade ago my buddy and I performed a test with a simulated wall (drywall, 2x4, drywall) with a few feet of space between each simulated wall and had incredibly interesting results. Never got around to simulating an exterior wall, but we both switched from shotguns/handguns for our home defense models to centerfire rifle calibers due to our findings.

@ravissary79 4 года назад

@@misobeno yeah you need space to allow the yawing effect to cause key holing which then causes the round to eventually lose energy and stop penetrating more walls or penetrate so weakly as to become less lethal. Without that space the yawing will barely show up by comparison. *yes it does show up here, but more space would allow for more deceleration*

@phillhuddleston9445 4 года назад

A small air gap will make almost no difference, it's negligible at best.

@misobeno 4 года назад

@@phillhuddleston9445 Could be more specific when you say small air gap? In the testing I was involved in, we saw pretty dramatic results with walls that had walls with 10' airgaps between them. how-i-did-it.org/drywall/test-parameters.html

@phillhuddleston9445 4 года назад

@@misobeno I was referring to the people complaining that a 1-1/2" gap is not the 3-1/2" gap that a 2x4 wall has not so much the room size gap.

@timallen6035 4 года назад

Having watched some Paul Harrell videos on the topic minus the frangible rounds I was not surprised by the results.

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@shanemac75 4 года назад

I shot some m193 in my house when I was remodeling..found the rounds in books on an oak bookcase on the other side of the wall. It was an old plaster wall with metal screen & horse hair mixed in. Decided to keep the house original after that test..lol. Just FYI, there was no one around the farm for a couple miles when I tested it.

@fixerupperer 3 года назад

I was wondering how old plaster would compare. Ive done some work for a woman with an old mansion and the exterior that is wood inside of the siding has at least 3/4" of wood boards with 1.5" or so of mortar between studs (insulation?). Then 3/4" thick plaster over lathe on most interior walls. When I thought about it I realized its likely relatively bulletproof, at least from poorly aimed handguns.

@heathdean3807 4 года назад

Tim: "Guys, don't tap out now..." Me: "What kind of uncultured swine quits watching a MAC video after just 10 minutes?"

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

😂

@rcrites 4 года назад

Me with AK videos

@nathanzylla4961 4 года назад

I usually switch to double speed

@BeerHandStrong 4 года назад

Heath Dean 😹😹😹

@RAS-oz5ph 4 года назад

Great vid. for ND testing as well. Had a close call the other day when the bolt was locked back and I accidently bumped it on the floor. Da bolt went home da round would had fired n sheet.

@havoc1zero 4 года назад

Huh? At ar15 won’t slam fire unless something’s off with it. The firing pin is free floating but it shouldn’t hit the primer with enough force to cause it to fire. If that was the case, every time a soldier dropped the bolt on a new magazine, it would fire a round according to your description. I’m not trash talking you so please don’t take it that way. I’m just concerned that if that’s happened to you before, there may be something wrong with your rifle.

@ChucksSEADnDEAD 4 года назад

@@havoc1zero it's a NFAC reference, don't worry about it

@heinrichnitschke5485 4 года назад

@@havoc1zero Dude you missed the NFAC video where the leader tried to explain away a negligent discharge by saying a AR slam fired. It's cool. Everyone is giving the guy hell because in order to cover up his guys mishandling of a fire arm he's trying to say AR's will slam fire. He even called it a bullpup and said it has a ton of recoil. 😂😂😂😂

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

😂👍

@havoc1zero 4 года назад

Titanium Rain oh, lol. Missed it I guess.

@dimpala95 4 года назад

Tim, you made a slight mistake in terms. That board you’re using is in fact OSB(oriented strand board) not particle board. Particle board is made up of sawdust and resin and is not used in house construction..

@kevinwilson9589 4 года назад

Particle board is (or at least was) used for floors in mobile homes.

@MOTO809 4 года назад

@@kevinwilson9589 Can confirm. I rent a 70's single wide that has been somewhat neglected by the owner over the years. Definitely particle board showing through the missing pieces of carpet.

@dimpala95 4 года назад

You guys are are missing the point. What is being used is OSB. I too have a 34’ RV trailer and yes it too has some particle board, like the cabinets. Let’s get back on track, what’s being used is OSB, that’s all I was pointing out. The test itself was interesting and informative.

@andyprairiedog 4 года назад

You are all wrong. It is Particle-OSB-UnObtainium-Reverse-Osmosis-FMJ-60volt-Steel-Drywall Board. Be safe all.

@stevecochran9078 4 года назад

Semantics.........They're both garbage for home construction.

@NaNa-tg7tg 4 года назад

Good Ole “Box of Truth” 😆 Glad to see this idea being revisited with newer rounds like Frangible

@cs8176 4 года назад

I thought that very thing when I saw his testing setup.

@jotun725 4 года назад

Yeah, instantly went full nostalgia remembering the old Box of Truth posts.

@damoncus8124 3 года назад

Best damn. Firearm channel on the net. No babbling, just the facts and a test. Plus I like the host, pragmatic and intelligent. Semper Fi

@jacobackley502 4 года назад

Thank God my house was made in 1960. My exterior walls are concrete, my interior walls are oak plank covered by modern dry wall. Hurricanes dont do shit to this fortress

@havoc1zero 4 года назад

Yeah my mom grew up in a house that her dad (my grandpa) built in the 1940’s and she still lives there. It’s a fucking bomb shelter. Btw, the house is in Miami and has never suffered any damages from the countless storms it’s seen apart from superficial shit like windows and some terra-cotta roof tiles cracking.

@jacobackley502 4 года назад

@@havoc1zero That's what I'm talking about! The old timers new how to make tough houses.

@shojus 4 года назад

@@jacobackley502 That, and the cost nowadays to build that type of structure would cost WAY more than what the average homeowner would be willing to pay. Concrete, steel and brick is definitely the way to build if money is no object!

@SonsOfLorgar 4 года назад

@@shojus cost is driven mostly by shareholder profit demands requiring rapid turnover which means that the buyers/tenants has to foot a bill yesterday to make the landlords investors happy where the landlords 40+ years ago saw a house as a 20+ year investent.

@sonickiller360 4 года назад

I think this proves that trying to minimize over penetration in this context is an exercise in futility.

@JohnSmith-yx8kf 4 года назад

From what I’ve seen - and I’ve watched a lot of these videos because I think it’s a really interesting topic - 9mm defensive rounds with the external cuts rather than the standard hollow point, seem to be the way to go. Not perfect, but better than the alternatives. That, or build your house out of bricks.

@justaregularguy3827 4 года назад

@@himommy7284 wtf no

@fchanMSI 4 года назад

Rifle is not intended to be good home defense for normal situations. If the perp is running around in armor/ballistic defense then AR-15 maybe but that is not “normal”.

@justaregularguy3827 4 года назад

@@fchanMSI I mean I would use one worked last time hahaha both of them knew this was the wrong house granted I've got brick outside mine so some people may have that Pannel stuff so my case might also be different also after going through someone the bullet will go through about 2 or 3 of those and stop in the 3rd one... Atleast in my case hahaha

@wollinger 4 года назад

@Nytmstr paper walls

@Keith_Mikell 4 года назад

I hope all is well with you Tim. Production quality is getting great. You’ve come so far as a channel. Props my friend.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

Thanks brother.

@waltersobchak2973 4 года назад

Time to replace drywall with AR550 in the building codes. 🤔😂

@tonymcelveen2237 4 года назад

that's exactly what I was thinking

@Stevarooni 4 года назад

$1.39 per square inch for AR500 backpack IIIA armor, vs. 5¢ per square inch of drywall. 😁

@waltersobchak2973 4 года назад

28x the cost, but way fewer holes getting poked in walls accidentally. 😜

@Stevarooni 4 года назад

@@waltersobchak2973 well, that plus the cost of a very sturdy foundation and framing.

@waltersobchak2973 4 года назад

But would you need framing if you just weld your walls together? 🤔

@MrMastablasta117 4 года назад

13:22 "Exit Wownds" lol thank you Tim

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

I laughed at myself on that one.

@franknbeanz147 4 года назад

I had to go back and make sure I heard that right

@franknbeanz147 4 года назад

call it a Owen Wilson impression

@TheKalkara131 4 года назад

My guess before watching is that both rounds will go through all of the walls. The frangible round is made to explode when it hits something hard, not drywall. Edit: I am surprised the frangible was breaking up even after just the first piece of particle board, but still penetrated everything. FYI, Tactical Rifleman has 2 very good videos on a similar test, I'd recommend you check them out too. Good info from everyone!

@GLOCKsh00ter24 4 года назад

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@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

Thank you! The link is active now. simplisafe.com/militaryarms

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@@Militaryarmschannel with that sponsor, doesnt that make you >100% viewer supported?

@heathmarcum5390 4 года назад

With over 20 years of experience searching, clearing homes, buildings, cars. You name it, for those who are planning on SHTF, and IFF you care for your community and family please consider using the right ammo, or maybe not using a M4 style weapon unless your 100 percent sure your not going to be hitting something behind your target. You don’t need your fully loaded out M4 to stop a intruder in your house, you can go to hand gun or even a shot gun with the correct ammo and be just as effective in stopping a intruder with out jeopardizing your house or neighbors. And when the event is completely over your neighbors and family will be thankful and will see you know what your doing and how to handle situations intelligently

@fee_lo5265 4 года назад

I’ve always disliked these test. People forget houses aren’t just dry wall. There’s furniture, cabinets, doors, appliances... etc. when these tests are performed in actual homes where bullets hit at random angles and random objects a proper 556 defensive round leaves the house less often than any defensive handgun round. It’s a great disservice to the community.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

All pointed out in this video.

@JJnATX 4 года назад

you're correct in terms of real-world situation there's lots of additional variables but this perfect condition can happen in a home and this is what I believe MAC is trying to educate his community. IE the community needs to know what's best for them when it comes to their choice of firearm home defense selection(s).

@ravissary79 4 года назад

@@JJnATX it doesn't. The spacing is way too close. Yes he's showing that it's starting to yaw, but yawing decelerates a bullet A LOT over time in air and in things. Taking away the space between the walls doesn't allow the yawing to do its job and make the bullet less lethal. I dint know how much distance makes a difference but I've seen trays eith space and the effect is notable.

@blakew5672 4 года назад

I remember reading an article years ago that quoted an FBI finding that typical 5.56 demonstrated less barrier penetration than standard FMJ 9mm.

@Cedricmaker 4 года назад

I recently ditched Nest and got a set of Simplisafe security system, giving that Nest is really just a camera and not a real home security system. Glad to see Simplisafe is also supporting the 2A community

@MilsurpMikeChannel 4 года назад

I have wondered if ceramic tile would help (a shower for example where you have both walls with tile/cement board could be a safe place for your family could get into).

@stevenmorris3181 4 года назад

I think the low kitchen is probably the safest. Metal appliance/food storage, liquid bulk inside cabinets

@SonsOfLorgar 4 года назад

Swedish defence forces penetration tests done back in the 80ies concluded that to guaranteed stop any small arms round in general infantry service weapons you would need at least 2m of compacted soil or snow OR 1.5m of ice, OR 1m of water OR 60cm of pine/birch wood or sandbags OR 3 layers of bricks OR >10cm of simple reinforced (8mm rebar and 0-20mm fraction gravel) concrete (standard appartment housing material for between flats, stairwells and outer walls at the time) OR 15mm of mild civilian application steel OR 10mm face hardened RHA steel. The tested ammo was: 6.5mm Swedish in Ball & AP, 7.62×51 Ball & AP, 7.62×54R Ball & AP, 7.62×39 Ball & AP, 5.56×45 Ball & AP and, 9×19mm Skptr m/39b (++P with a heavier bullet and harder jacket alloy developed in the 1960ies to defeat Katanga-funded militia body armor that the Swedish Kpist m/45 with the original 9mm m/39 luger round couldn't deal with reliably enough).

@johnm3907 4 года назад

@@SonsOfLorgar how long did that take to type

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@johnstewart2011 2 года назад

Thank you. Although I am always suspicious of small sample size (1) test results, everything was in line with established principles of terminal ballistics: Most velocity due to light bullet and long barrel + instability due to slower twist (55 gn./12") = most damage. Good velocity due to long barrel + instability due to longer bullet (62 gn./7 ") good damage. Lowest velocities due to shorter barrel + more stability due to fast twist (55/62 gn./7") = least damage.

@schmidtmpa 4 года назад

Someone tell Tim how to pronounce frangible.

@madczechoutdoors1088 4 года назад

No doubt. Was driving me nuts. Frang-I-Bull. Not frang-I-da-bull

@DACFalloutRanger 4 года назад

You two must be hearing something totally different than I am Edit: wtf he starts saying it differently like halfway into the video

@alexduke5402 4 года назад

@@DACFalloutRanger I watched it over he's saying it the whole time. I didn't hear it either until I read this now it's bothering me that's like an old black guy calling a beagle a beetle lol

@underdog1252 4 года назад

Did you also hear him say "exit wounds" at 13:20? He said it like "the rope was _wound_ around the spindle" instead of "the man had a fresh _wound_ "

@schmidtmpa 4 года назад

@@underdog1252 I think he meant to say exit wounds but said rounds instead?

@biggus8825 4 года назад

For home defense, I live in a patio home with connecting walls with my neighbors, I use hornady 50 gr. V-max. The ballistic tip enters target and blows up like a softball and doesn’t exit. Outside the home for SHTF stuff, 75 gr. sbr Gold dot hp or 77 gr. for accuracy at distance.

@wyorca 4 года назад

It would seem to me that distance between "walls" would greatly influence the frangible round's penetration as the fragmented core continues to expand. What if the drywall sheets were 10 feet apart like in a real house?

@jonathansmith7306 4 года назад

If the bullet starts tumbling from the first round, if there's enough time it will go sideways, increasing the surface area and decreasing penetration. so the distance would probably make a difference

@elguapok20 4 года назад

Immediately thought this and this would make a HUGE difference, a tumbling bullet loses velocity much more quickly than one going straight.

@SonsOfLorgar 4 года назад

@@elguapok20 and a tumbling bullet would loose even more to rockwool insulation filler.

@itsmejongee 4 года назад

Absolutely. This is hardly a scientific test. This would be the worst control of all time to test over penetration. Love this channel, but this is a sorry attempt at developing a worthwhile conclusion the subject.

@brandonrupp5880 4 года назад

Reid Hendricks did a test in an actual house and the spacing made a real big difference

@Dillpickles719 4 года назад

This is why knowing your target and what’s behind it is so important. You don’t want to shoot anyone by accident.

@taylorsharp5928 4 года назад

Would be nice to see the drywall setup like actual walls. 2 sheets separated the width of a 2x4 stud, and then a few foot gap to the next 2 sheets, and so on. Give the bullet time to tumble between walls.

@Gambitt1970 4 года назад

That is what I thought this video was going to be. I was a bit disappointed.

@drmaudio 4 года назад

I have a feeling that gap would dramatically change the outcome, particularly with the frangible round.

@RealLuckless 4 года назад

For the fun of terminal ballistics, it would be interesting to compare different 'detail levels' and setups on something like this - Find a few different types of siding to compare, does inclusion of weather barrier/insulation/vapour barrier have any noticeable impact on results? 2x6, 2x8, 2x10, 2x12 exterior framing [and corresponding increase in insulation] show any difference? Fibreglass vs blown cellulose vs spray foam. White vs blue/pink sheet foam exterior layers. Maybe I'm just a geek who likes ballistics and building materials, but testing 'are environmentally friendly buildings safer in a gun fight' sounds like a fun weekend project.

@edc_driving_me_knucks 4 года назад

Agreed. The extra distance between the layers of sheetrock may have made a noticeable difference.

@michaelblacktree 4 года назад

This setup gave the projectiles very little space to tumble and/or fragment.

@AndrewTPewPew 4 года назад

Props for using the ol Sig P556! Have had mine for years and LOVE it! Also running a low power 2x ACOG on mine. Keep up the good work!

@Spike-13 4 года назад

Wow I'm early! (For not being a patreon member) just wanted to say thanks Tim for making awesome videos, especially educational ones like this!

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

Thank you brother.

@bobdinovo6889 4 года назад

I am very very surprised. Thank you for opening my eyes 👀. I can't wait for the PCC video

@alphatripduce 4 года назад

Would love to see this test with various pccs and 12 gauge loads

@HIMcules2112 4 года назад

A few years ago we had a xm193 ball round come through my brothers bedroom wall on the 2nd floor, came across a field, through trees, through our siding and particle board, bounced off the side of the stud in the wall, through the drywall, through a bass guitar case and buried itself sideways in the fretboard of the neck hard enough to unwind the heavy low E string. Not much short of hard steel is stopping 5.56 ball rounds

@Paronak 4 года назад

between tornados and firearms, americans are the ones that need brick houses the most yet they stick to paper and wood.

@erickolb8581 4 года назад

Originally, the idea was to make a cheap house quickly so money could be spent on other things. People became lazy and stupid.

@MrDanielWP 4 года назад

My house is brick...

@Yeoman7 4 года назад

The banks over the last 150yrs have mucked up are economy so bad that most ppl could not afford a solid brick house...hence brick veneer.

@VEGABRICCS 4 года назад

This needs to be a series Mac!💭

@darink300zx 4 года назад

What about brick homes? 90% of homes in my neighborhood are brick.

@shibaspeed 4 года назад

Brick will stop it. Check out Tactical Rifleman's video

@thelz7909 4 года назад

Most likely, they are brick veneer and the brick only provides a very minor level of protection. Flowerbeds filled with sand that is several inches thick will provide much better protection.

@STB-jh7od 4 года назад

I've said before that I'm wary of using a rifle for home defense in an urban area, like where I live, due to penetration/over penetration putting neighbors at risk. Glad you did this video, Thanks.

@johndoe-td2xd 2 года назад

Rifle rounds of the correct caliber and construction are safer than ANY pistol round and most 12 ga rounds. This is among the main reasons L.E. migrated away from sub guns and shotguns. It's counter intuitive. Hi-vel rifle rounds with thin jacketed, non bonded soft point construction (.243 and smaller) are actually way safer than pistol rounds for home defense . ln .224, 62-64 gr non-bonded soft points and the sierra match kings (77 gr fer sure) frag VERY quickly...like 1interior wall. after 2 walls, they are pretty much neutralized. The 'barrier blind' rounds are a crap choice for home defense for this reason. Frangible rifle ammo is made to disintegrate on steel, not drywall. Pistol rounds and 00 buck will go through at least 6 interior walls, likely 8+

@mikewilliams719 4 года назад

New meaning to know your target and what’s around and beyond it. Maybe this will stop the urban legend that 5.56 disintegrates when it hits a typical drywall constructed wall. Great work! Thank you guys for all your hard work.

@SonsOfLorgar 4 года назад

As a European who's done compulsory conscript training, I wouldn't trust anything built later than the 17th century unless I know it's actual on site cast concrete or mortared stone (not bricks) to at least 12" thick. And that's for small arms fire.

@jonmeray713 4 года назад

The other tests actually put space between the walls and were actual built walls with studs and outside plywood and siding. Macs test is not very good.

@gripenlord6787 4 года назад

Keep up the good work MAC. I really enjoy your content.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

Thank you brother.

@streifitm3908 4 года назад

Our house is over a 100 years old , it has 80cm walls on the outside

@mickleblade 4 года назад

Similar here, 50cm external stone walls, 2 interior walls are the same, others are 20cm limestone. Can you tell I'm not in the US?

@streifitm3908 4 года назад

@@mickleblade Well idk where you live, but I live in Germany. I also hate our gun laws

@lemystere5345 4 года назад

That dark synthwave track was pretty stimulating.

@billjacon4527 4 года назад

When these tests are done, how come insulation isn't used? That comes into play to a extent no?

@alexmartin9177 4 года назад

an entire bundle of fiberglass insulation will have almost no effect on a bullet. Most homes only have insulation on the outside wall. 3.5-5.5 inches (2x4 or 2x6 ext wall) of fiberglass insulation has no effect on a bullet.

@mattwalters6834 3 года назад

From what I’ve heard, no.

@Bad666Moon 4 года назад

I'd like to see a test like this, but with different types of insulation, or the most popular types. Like build a wall how it would actually be in a house, stack them up and put ballistic gel and maybe a chronograph behind them to see how lethal the round is.

@sillejin 4 года назад

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@johnsonjerrad 4 года назад

Insulation, wiring, paint/exterior coating, framing, obstacles in the house, all things I expect the bullet to pass through as well... Of course it blew through compressed powder.. At very least add indulation between the panels, that would make this a bit more accurate IMO. Just my 2 cents. It's still good for people to see this, I tell people all the time how cheesy walls and doors are.

@runvus1664 4 года назад

If you don’t hit a stud on the first wall you likely won’t on the subsequent walls, they’re all lined up. Insulation is basically a non factor, id say the same for wiring and plumbing as well for various reasons

@fun2916 4 года назад

Agree. It will still most likely penetrate but at a reduced velocity and can still be lethal

@runvus1664 4 года назад

Zach cash exterior walls have a layer of insulation and maybe some plumbing/wiring. There aren’t pipes and wires in every wall

@runvus1664 4 года назад

Or in between every stud

@runvus1664 4 года назад

Zach cash using plywood on the side of a house? Yeah, and I have the crappy construction

@stefanmolnapor910 4 года назад

I was hoping for a simplisafe reenactment and or simplisafe destruction test! Either way great video... as always!

@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS 4 года назад

This feels like the twighlight zone... Tim, can you point me in the direction of your BCM torture test results?

@Elmer_RedEagle 4 года назад

Simplisafe is pretty awesome, Ive had them for about 5 years now. And I just recently had one of the sensors die, I called them up and without a hassle the offered to send out a new one and all I had to pay was a couple bucks for S&H. One piece of advice, use a different companies stickers or yard signs if you are gonna put some up.

@mapled3135 4 года назад

I wish you’d have used cinder block as the outside wall.

@850spirates3 4 года назад

Yes this👆🏻. My house isn’t made of plastic siding and plywood. My house is made of red brick.

@mapled3135 4 года назад

850's Pirates yep. where I live there are no paper houses.

@850spirates3 4 года назад

Map Led I live in northwest Florida where we face hurricanes pretty frequently. Houses here are built strong. My house while not new was 13 years ago and it’s a two story with nice strong sturdy brick and more studs in the walls then one could count. Hanging stuff on the walls are a breeze because we have so many studs.

@rayluse744 4 года назад

One shot would crumple a cinder block. If those cinder blocks were poured full of concrete, you'd stand a better chance but after a couple shots there'd be bullets coming through at ya!

@Fuse7000 4 года назад

@@rayluse744 yup, "after a couple of shots", on the exact same cinder block each time.... Still beats one shot penetration anywhere in the wall when having a "wooden house". Red bricks btw are solid. They'll probably crumple too after enough impacts, but do even better than cinder blocks.

@dorrintheengineer 4 года назад

Love the videos, Tim, always. This one nearly killed my husband and I. For the love of all that is holy, it’s “frangible,” not “frangidable.”

@knndyskful 4 года назад

“We have no way to measure the speed of the bullet” Um, Tim...wouldn’t a chronograph work?? Just put it at the other end of the test medium? Or put one in front and one behind or something? Ah and now that I’ve seen the rest of the video: the chronograph can’t track tumbling bullets

@erebostd 4 года назад

This aren’t „walls“ this is cardboard. Who would use something like that for walls? Come on!

@bavarianshooter 4 года назад

US homes... kinda scary. If i fire my AR in the room I'm in right now, it propably wont't go through my inner wall. I have 42,5 cm bricks on the outer wall and 35 cm bricks on the inside.

@JamesSmullins 4 года назад

Most newer homes are built with these types of materials. They aren't built to last like they used to be. It's build them fast and cheap so that you can maximize profits. Unless your home is built using block or bricks it's built pretty cheap these days. This is why it's best to have your home built to your specs rather than buying homes from developers.

@xORLOCKx 4 года назад

Yeah... this is what modern homes are made of in the US. Pretty sad. But I live in a full brick house.

@CharlieMikeNS 4 года назад

cArDBoArD

@TheJukkis 4 года назад

I think insulation is pretty important part of walls and they provide some hinderance to the projectile, and its missing from this test. Also a bullet fired from 20 inch barrel would be cool too.

@valhallindustries9317 4 года назад

Thanks for making this video. Really debunks this urban legend that has come to permeate the arms industry that standard 5.56 rounds "are the best option for home defense because they penetrate least". Least being a generously relative term. I am also fully aware of the argument that buckshot out of a shotgun is quite obviously the least penetrating projectile load possible, and I am making this point specifically regarding projectiles fired from a rifled bore, handguns included.

@trollmcclure1884 2 года назад

buckshot is nasty. you meant birdshot right?

@Vadim3814 4 года назад

Why don't you build a house from a bricks?

@jt2475 4 года назад

Vadim3814 money

@huntertice3883 4 года назад

most newer houses are made on a wood frame because it is cheaper to make them at such a large quantity.

@DTWCT 3 года назад

@1:59 "with the approval by the ATF" ATF: "Oh, we changed our mind.....again"

@almostghosts 4 года назад

This test is accurate if you live in a house with walls two inches apart.

@misobeno 4 года назад

This 100%. Even interior drywall generally has a few inches of space between each layer of drywall. For a worst-case scenario, shooting from a room through a hallway into a room will add a few feet of airspace between each wall.

@almostghosts 4 года назад

Miso Beno Totally and the round is probably losing a lot of velocity as it hits each wall then travels through the airspace between rooms. I would like to see a similar test with the drywall spaced apart far enough to represent rooms in a house.

@Glockgunner1 4 года назад

Another great video! I can’t wait to see the 300BLK and PCC videos.

@nmtay Год назад

Makes me glad that I live in a house with a brick exterior. I know it's not impervious and there are still windows that offer little protection, but that brick will certainly offer a lot more protection that some of the more modern building materials.

@fancyultrafresh3264 4 года назад

"Through the windoooooooooows, through the walls! All that 56 ball!"

@TheDE4THangel 4 года назад

I really liked this video format actually testing and not crazy sped up just good testing with normal stuff not a bunch of numbers or oh this and that just shooting

@duceanahalf 4 года назад

Id like to see this on a traditional Florida home. stucco, CMU block, and interior walls are finished in a plaster that is hard and brittle.

@josholdham1033 4 года назад

looking healthy! Hope you and the family are well

@12GaugeLeadSalad 4 года назад

Just gotta say that sick music during the SimpliSafe install is "Slynk - Doctor Momentum"

@theiviachine 4 года назад

I like how you are teasing me running that SIG MCX that has been sold out for the past four months everywhere 😪

@Megames2012 4 года назад

I run the 55gr Critical Defense in a 12.5 inch pistol with the SBA3. Solid option. 👍

@ShreddedWheat305 2 года назад

Great video! If the SHTF I was looking at going with the frangible round due to neighbors in the area but surprised that it penetrated so many boards!

@R0mans13 4 года назад

Through the windoooooow, through the wall!! All my Ammo BAAAALL!!!

@Keith_Mikell 4 года назад

Tim lines his whole house in armor now.

@Carterwray1 4 года назад

The only thing I would really say as a factor would be the fact that once those rounds start tumbling and they tumble all the way through the full length of a room they are going to slow down substantially while tumbling as opposed to just flying straight. Apart from that still pretty well demonstrates how important it is to know where your rounds are going. First couple of walls are the important ones.

@PPSChadwick 4 года назад

Good stuff! Some theories were just put to bed and I hope some people will pay attention now.

@RichardsCranium 4 года назад

Well, my neighbor shot my pole barn with a 10.5" barrel. He was approximately 260yd away. The bullet skipped off the ground at least once because I saw it happen. It went through the metal siding, 3" foam board, 6" of fiberglass and one sheet of drywall and hit my tool box. Didn't even dent the tool box.

@AlphaRomeoOneFive 4 года назад

I'm already looking forward to the 300blk video 👍 Thanks Tim 🇺🇸

@TAVAAR7 4 года назад

I used to do construction, and yeah thats more than double the standard outer wall. When it comes to common modern materials the best you can really do in making an in home barrier is do an interior tile vernier around the whole house. Likewise for outside the house solid brick is the best bet, mortar joints are all weak points in that case.

@StPaul76 4 года назад

That frangible round effect reminds me of sand blasting which is a craft I quite often do for living. Enough velocity and amount of particles does havoc on pretty much everything except metals and granite stone. My boss once put the sandblaster fosset out of his hand to move around some stone wall building air valves which he was blasting.. The pressure/sand hose is thick and stiff and it rolled.. Turning the trigger lever of the fosset against the steel table he used as a stand.. He got a blast of quarts in his thigh with such a force it went through thick denim working pants, one layer of jogging pants and two layers of underwear (Finland during winter time working outside)and about 2" into his thigh muscle.. Tiny bits of sand kept coming out his thigh for 5 years.. He was lucky not getting the blast into his nuts thats for sure..

@MohamedMohamed-uq7bn 4 года назад

Thanks for your greet work ... I think a ballisic jell at the back would be nice

@goneballistic 4 месяца назад

Props to Ol Painless from arfcom, this is a copy of the box-o-truth. And great, extensive testing MAC~

@mariodesmo 4 года назад

I've gotta get me some of that frangible stuff... Looks like it could be lots of fun.

@poolhub89 4 года назад

I believe the "dust" you kept referring to was the drywall powder from the previous sheet. Nice vid.

@mattwalters6834 3 года назад

Nice SCAR

@molotov_mountaineer 4 года назад

That's cool you own a Colt 6940P, I've heard a lot of good reviews about that model and it's becoming a very desirable collectable.

@Pilot4prophet661 4 года назад

Be great to see this test with a variety of 5.7.

@duck-n-cover477 4 года назад

A simple .22 charge is used frequently in a tool designed to drive hardened nails through dimensional lumber and into masonry and concrete!

@TheFirefist13 4 года назад

Nice video. Was great to see the penetration and the tumble progression. My only issue with the test is there should have been more space between the pairs, but I get that's not feasible without you building a house to replicate. either way great vid

@lukew2194 4 года назад

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@DroneWolfMedia 4 года назад

Would be interesting to see a similar test using concrete block behind the siding or stucco. Most homes in Florida are built with concrete block due to hurricane building codes.

@mattstaab6408 4 года назад

Wow awesome test Tim! Thanks for keeping us entertained and informed during these crazy times. Great work keep it up! God bless 🇺🇲

@bretthompson3865 4 года назад

Hate to come down on your test, sir, but up here in Washington state I built houses and commercial buildings for decades after I got out of the Army. We don't use chip board for wall sheeting. Up here you're looking at 3/4" or so of wood siding over a layer of 1/2 or 5/8" exterior plywood behind which is 5 1/2" of fiberglass insulation. It's 2x6 exterior walls up north. Only then do you get to the drywall. Believe me, the results will vary considerably.

@dustym9372 4 года назад

Would like to see this test with a hard external surface like brick, rock , and stucco; as many houses in US don't use wood or aluminum siding.

@cameronnorton5898 4 года назад

I wish MAC was still viewer supported.

@Militaryarmschannel 4 года назад

We are. Simplisafe sponsored this one video. Sadly, viewer support is way down so we have to find such sponsors that don’t conflict with our ability to be brutally honest about guns we showcase. If more viewers chipped in just $1 a month we wouldn’t be forced into doing integrations like this. 👍

@MustPassTruck 4 года назад

This test also doesn't have the hard plaster coating on the drywall. Some older houses have 1/4 to 1/2 inch of hard coating. That stuff is like hitting a brick.

@Jesusprayerwarriorbw 4 года назад

The Sig MCX Virtus is my favorite pew pew that have shot. It's small and easy to clean , cuz piston

@racingdc9 4 года назад

Glad we have a brick front to our house.

@Fugettaboutit 4 года назад

I think it would have also been good to place some ballistic gel or a flesh-like medium behind the layers/harness to maybe show how damaging the bullet still was after penetration....although I guess you can still get a sense of at least its velocity and structural integrity from the holes. Good stuff.

@SirSquash 4 года назад

i need a range day soon

@marzcapone9939 4 года назад

I got to go this past weekend. Every round I shot, I can't replace, at least not at this time. I still went, just kept the round count low.

@StrangerInAStrangeLand1999 4 года назад

I guess the moral of this story is to not miss.

@Mike-gf7fi 4 года назад

I was working on a bad trigger, then testing cycling function I accidentally shot a 55 grain round the house. It went through a small lock box with concrete liner, then the wall, then through my tv, then through a wooden table leg 5” thick and got stuck in a wall. It went through so much more than tv and movies portray