There are plenty of reviews out there that point out the failures of this film, but largely fol criticise the villain/ "twist" (as Doug did too), unnecessary scenes that could easily be cut and an anticlimactic ending. The plot has some flaws too. Overall, it's a great movie; it's just not 'Incredible'. ;)
My favourite thing about this movie was that it didn't fall into the toxic mainstream "husband takes care of the house and kids and he hates it and complains as if they aren't also his children and he also doesn't live there". Bob, despite wanting to be a hero again, loves his wife. He doesn't act petty or passive aggressive. He wants her to succeed, he wants to be there for his kids, and yeah he feels left out but he never lets his own jealousy come between his love for his family. Like I want a marriage like that.
It actually deals with a very subtle detail. He doesn't resent looking after his children, he resents not succeeding at it, that he isn't good enough. It's a new challenge, and one where his powers do him no favours. And that is very powerful, because it says that both parents can take care of the children, it's not the mother's duty or the father's duty, but if you're not accustomed to doing so, it's a challenge, and you only get better by trying.
I remembered when it was announced people believed it was a pro-feminist movie, were the dad would be horrible at parenting. He really was a "bad" on the first day. He was very devoted to his kids and put his dreams aside for them.
I think its partly cause he DID get his wish for a return to the glory days in the previous film...its just that it ended up goign downhill due to being part of Syndrome's insane plan
While I watched this film in the cinema I subconsciously recognised Evelyn despite not knowing that she was going to be a character in the movie before I watched it. I practically kicked myself when I realised.
I liked the beginning, but the ending wasn't that great. I agree with Doug about the villain. The villain was predictable, and the villain's motives were kinda stupid. Best scene in the whole thing was Jack Jack vs the racoon. That had me dying in the theater.
Her motives were pretty sound overall, but I feel like they made it too obvious. They weren't going to have the Screenslaver just be a character who'd never appeared previously in the movie, so that pretty much left it to Winston or Evelyn.
You have to consider the fact that shifting the focus to the villain and fleshing out the motivations/backstories would diminish the screentime left for the Incredibles. Gladly they get the time to be seen being a family and supporting each other.
@@Ananasbringer We saw that in the first one though. We saw how they operated as a family, we saw their personalities bounce off each other. If anything, the movie focused more on Jack Jack rather than the family.
@@Robbie_Haruna Right. And it was that way in the first one also. Syndrome was revealed to be the villain, but his motivations made more sense. He was pissed that someone he looked up to all his life looked down on him, and rejected him. It would make sense as to why he wanted to make everyone a hero, so that nobody is special. This chick made no sense. She blames the superheros for something that they could do nothing about even if they knew about what was happening. If anything, she should be trying to help her brother by putting heroes back on the map. Yeah, the father relied on heroes too much, but the only person she has to blame would be her father.
@@mysite1012 I mean, Syndrome's aren't exactly that much more believable. Like he basically became bitter and turned into a super villain because he was looked down onto by his hero, when he was like twelve or something. Which I mean, does kinda work since people can hold grudges like that, but at the same time, much like Evelyn misaiming her blame to a degree; Syndrome killing off a ton of super heroes when he's realistically only angry with Mr. Incredible is kinda dumb. At the same time too though, Mr. Incredible should have been worse to him to make it more justified. When it does the flashback to him being torn apart, all Mr. Incredible said to him was "Fly home, Buddy. I work alone," which... I'm sorry, but they could have shown Mr. Incredible looking down on him way better than that. Mr. Incredible did hero work alone even when it came to other adults, and a good amount of the reason Mr. Incredible shut him down was because hero work was *dangerous* and Buddy was a kid. (I mean Mr. Incredible let Bomb Voyage get away because Buddy would have gotten blown up because he didn't know a bomb was planted on his cape.) Evelyn may have misaimed her anger, but she did have a point. As time has gone on, people have become less and less able to fend for themselves and they become more reliant on others. Her point just gets hurt more if there were more Supervillians, because if there were any of them that were more kill happy then the "insurance pays for villain damages," wouldn't fly.
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I'd say both of the Incredibles movies were an 8/10. Syndrome/incrediboy > screenslaver. The villain was the one disappointment. Was afraid the sequel would get preachy about gender roles but they did it quite well.
Did everyone guess the identity of "The Screenslaver" well before it was revealed? During their introduction, my friend turned to me and asked "Do you think that they'll turn out to be the villain"? I replied "Maybe, but it seems that it would be too obvious for it to be them". But sure enough, it was them! But the lacklustre reveal didn't take away from how incredible this sequel was, and I loved it even more than the original, which is a rarity for me!
Yep, was too obvious, first I thought on the brother cuz was almost the same as the first one... the one that wants heroes to be respected bla bla bla, then when she said that she is the one that does all the tech work... well you don't need a phd to get who was the bad girl...
If they make a third one, I kind of want to see more Violet. In this one, she really came into her own, being understandably frustrated by the actions of her father, but also being sympathetic to his problems. That scene where they sit down and talk is one of my favourite low key moments. And when she takes charge and fights back, she's no longer the introvert, but rather someone reserved yet still outgoing and growing into her responsibilities and powers.
I have an idea. Have Violet meeting a boy, maybe Tony or other kid who she or he has a crush on her/him. But she finds out that his family was an archenemy of Mr.Incredible and he must follow in his family's footsteps by destroying the incredibles
They’re probably going to do that. The first Incredibles focused on Mr. Incredible, the second one focused on Elastigirl, so the third one will probably focus on Violet.
Mr incredibles meltdown was the funniest scene i've seen in a disney movie. 'maths is maths' and 'Because I'm formulating, okay! I'm taking in information! I'm processing! I'm doing the math, I'm fixing the boyfriend, and keeping the baby from turning into a flaming monster! How do I do it? By rolling with the punches, baby! I eat thunder and crap lightening, okay? Because I'm Mr. Incredible! Not "Mr. So-So" or "Mr. Mediocre Guy"! Mr. Incredible!' made me fall out of my seat at the cinema.
@@scottbuckley823 $10 had the movie been PG13 they'd've squeeze a phuk between "Mr." and "Incredible" at the end. Ngl, was almost expecting it to happen.
I feel like the twist was intentionally obvious though, and they were kind of having fun with it. Like there's this great looking shot where the brother and sister are both at opposite ends of the frame. The brother is cast in bright light while the sister is sitting in the shadows.
I know, it might have been better had they not tried to conceal it. Even my six year old cousin guessed who the villain was well before the revelation!
This is a really good sequel, even though the first movie was better because of the villain, but it was worth the wait and one of the best Pixar sequel next to the Toy Story sequels.
@Albert The Peacock all three toy story movies were really good. Incredibles 2 would’ve better than the first, if they didn’t have a mediocre and predictable villain. But still, Jack Jack stole most of the movie.
@Richard Clark we deserved a much better movie than the shitstain final product. The plot makes no sense,good ideas are wasted and everyone forgot their character arc from the first movie. It's by no means a good Pixar sequel and I'm legit scared for TS4.
@Albert The Peacock I mostly blame the writers for their half assed plot twists. We’re so sick of the twisted villain, they’re abusing it more than Shamalayan.
@thisaccountisembarrassingi'mdisowningit I noticed in the first movie, she kept hiding behind her hair. I love that she has it pushed back by her headband in this movie, because it shows she found confidence in the first movie.
@@FlashQuatsch Except they're not. She wants supers outlawed.....when they ALREADY are ! She's just a petty bitch, and yet another pathetic "OMG WAT A TWIST" villain in a long line started by Hans.
@@TheDen-ec9xe She doesn't just want them outlawed, she wants to send the message that people become dependent of superheroes when the could take actions themselves, like her father didn't. If you dont like it that's fine tho. And I would say that the modern Disney twist villain trope started with either Goob or King Candy.
@@FlashQuatsch Again, it's a dumb and misplaced sentiment, since regular police cops clearly cannot deal with the Underminer or the Omnidroid, and supers have been outlawed for so long, it just wouldn't make any sense to think people are too reliant on them. Again, her motivation is dense and pathetic. And unlike her or Hans, King Candy was actually a fun and fleshed out character, his reveal felt organic and he felt like a real threat with actual motivations : keeping the throne he took over by deception. Evelyn is just a stupid bitch who couldn't get over her trauma. And don't even make me talk about those pieces of shit Hans and Bellwether.......Just because Disney made the norm, doesn't make them any good. In fact, they're all terrible outside of King Candy or Lotso.
I can't agree on that this film is better than the first one. The original film was a lot more stylish and mature, and while the sequel was as colorful and action packed as the original was, it was more focused on comedy and "the surprise villain" rather than art of filmmaking and the value of family. Like, remember the scene in the original were the mother had to tell her children that they might be killed if caught by the bad guys, that was deep af. The original film left agreat impact on me, while the sequel didn't really step up on that part for me. I couldn't connect with the characters as much any more. This is why I kinda see the sequel as a disappointment compared to the original.
I totally agree, I was so disappointed in the lame villain and character regression. There were a lot of mature themes in the first one that the second one didn’t even come close to having.
I definitely agree that Screenslaver is an underwhelming villain (mainly due to its predictable twist), but the rest of the movie is so strong that I can easily overlook this movie's nitpicky faults.
Well this is definitely an unpopular opinion. Most people seem to think the Incredibles 2 is an average rehash of the first movie. Honestly, I get the Incredibles 2 isn't perfect, but I don't get the "It's the exact same movie as the first" argument.
Justin Stewart I agree. Sure, the animation is great, still got that genius dialogue, but the rest just does the same thing. The whole point of a sequel is to do something different
The villain twist was so obvious that I actually convinced myself that they wouldn’t do it. And yet it was still completely underwhelming when it happened. Honestly, I would have preferred the Screenslaver to remain anonymous, just some random dude who has a problem with screens (which genuinely was an issue in the 60s, and still an issue now), it didn’t need some big tragic backstory. Besides, the design of the Screenslaver is CREEPY AS HELL!! The scene where Helen infiltrates their base is genuinely scary. The reveal of who it actually is undercuts all of that.
2018 has been an interesting year, hasn't it? Deadpool 2, Black Panther, Avengers: Infinity War, Teen Titans Go To The Movies, Venom, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Aquaman, and now Incredibles 2.
Teen Titans Go! To The Movies was the biggest surprise for me. I really hate the show how unmoral , insulting and awful is, but the movie made me laugh a lot specially the time travel scene. From an awful show to a fantastic movie
Ever since I saw the original, I had wanted a sequel. No matter how many times I watched that movie, it was always so good. This movie came out on my 18th birthday. Best birthday present ever.
I really thought Screenslaver was going to be an awesome philosophical villain that wanted to show how much people are glued to their phones and computers that it’s so easy to take control of them. But instead, we get a weak villain. The movie is amazing overall, and I love how Bob never snaps at his wife for feeling left out and works hard to take care of the kids, it’s really unexpected and a welcome one at that.
My biggest issue was that Elastigirl doesn't seem to go through any journey; she's already portrayed as perfect, just with a physical challenge she has to overcome. Even in the first movie, she went through that character growth of realizing that she'd been pretending to be weak for so long that she had to remember that she was strong. And Mr. Incredible was the main character in that movie. She is supposed to be the lead this time right? But then why is it only Mr. Incredible going through the emotional journeys in this movie? Not only that, but the movie doesn't do a good job of showing why Screenslaver was a good antagonist for Elastigirl to work off of. Mr. Incredible had a villain who was from his past and who was also bringing out his weakness of juggling heroics and family with his fake job offer. This movie was pushed forward from its original 2019 release date, and I kept thinking, "If they had that extra year, this movie would have been perfect." But then I realized that if nobody in 14 years realized that the lead character shouldn't be flawless, and that they should be able to work off the villain, then I don't think they ever would have.
I agree, what kills me is they DID have potential for Elastigirl's character growth, but they didn't use it. When she stopped that train and got the message, "Welcome back, Elastigirl," I expected her to be worried that she had an archenemy right out the gate, or for somebody ELSE (like her husband) to be worried while Elastigirl was too busy basking in the limelight to care.
I know that this is going to sound crazy but there are actually a lot of stories about protagonists withouth an arc and you have watched a lot of them; one of the biggest examples is Marty Mcfly in Back to the Future (at least in the first one) in where he doesn´t change at all. I will probably explain to you how this works but the channel "Just Write" made an entire video about this topic; the video is titled "Writing Characters Withouth Characters Arcs". I recomend you so much the video because i think that Elasticgirl falls in that category and is no necesarly a bad thing.
You aren't wrong, but the issue here is that an arc was set up for her and hinted at REALLY STRONGLY at certain points, and it is a bad contrast with Bob's half of the plot. In fact the multiple hints Bird drops at potential directions for her character are SO numerous I suspect executive meddling and a rushed release played a role in it. Her story was a mess that didn't properly explore the story's themes with the same clarity of thought and clean direction as the original.
I wish the side heroes were given more time to develop, because as it stands they're just tools to keep the action going in the second part of the film. It's not even that the action starring them was bad, but it makes them look like leftovers while, say, Frozone was given enough background in the first movie to look like an actual character.
Although incredibles 2 has good animation, good fight scenes, some funny scenes with jack jack it doesn’t shy away from the fact that movie has a lot of problems. Such as, the characters being regressed and them nothing like what they where in the first film,a lot of recycled plot elements from the first film, the villain being super weak, and although the jack jack scenes are the best parts of the film, they have nothing to do with the plot at all. I wanted to like this film a lot, I never come in watching a film and hating it immediately, but this is movie at least in my opinion is super mediocre, not terrible, just mediocre, and I give it a 5/10
@@Daxank Anything ranging from 4/10 to 6/10 is average, it doesn't need to be exactly 50% good/bad to be mediocre. Giving it a 6/10 simply means the good things out weight the bad ones a little bit, but doesn't make it a good movie at all, only an okay one.
@@Blappyboop Don't be, what you said wasn't wrong. Anything from 4/10 to 6/10 is considered average, it doesn't have to be exactly 5/10. If it was lackluster, unremarkable, etc, even if you give it over 50% good, it still is mediocre.
I love this movie so much. This is the first time I saw a movie in theaters five times. Once when it first came out, one with my best friend, another time for my friends birthday, then with my brother, and one last time with my best friend again. This movie is amazing and it’s great to watch with friends.
This was indeed a great sequel and in some aspects it does manage to be a little better than the first like the family dynamic and the role reversal with Helen the wife doing most of the hero work while Bob has to take care of his children, Violet who goes through this teen angst stuff, Dash who has to do homework with his dad and Jack-Jack who has to figure out his powers. This is definitely a great sequel but the major downside is that the villain in this is another twist villain but remember the first Incredibles movie had a twist villain and the best PIXAR villain in my book as he was wanting to destroy other superheroes just so he can be the only super-human but had died a horrible death that was well-deserved. The villain in this is the jealous sibling of a rich man who doesn't want superheroes to be around anymore and keeping them under her control.
I would have loved this movie more than the first if it weren't for two thing... One, the villain was so bad. The SECOND the villain walked into the room, I was like, "S/he is going to be the villain." And I was right, and I'm not good at guessing twists in movies. Two, the complete continuity error that the family didn't know Jack Jack has powers. How could they not know? Rick Dicker interviewed Jack Jack's babysitter and she told him everything, and he just didn't mention it to the family? That made absolutely no sense
Ko'Lynn I thought it was cuz jack jack was too far away to be seen when he was in the air in the first movie. But true about the babysitter meeting and erasing her memory. Like why didn’t he tell anyone?
@@sandywolfr26 That could be. When I saw the original back when it first came out, I thought they saw him at the end and knew he had powers. And yeah the babysitter told the guy and was freaking out on the phone and things like that so all this time I just assumed they knew but I guess I was wrong. Not a huge deal I guess but it still confused me at first.
When I first saw this movie, I thought it was fun but I didn't think it lived up to the original. But as time went by it sort of grew on me, and now I appreciate it just as much.
Probably one of the best movies I’ve seen this year, right up there with Paddington 2, Infinity War, Isle of Dogs, Mission Impossible Fallout, and The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.
Actually, Syndrome had a mission : make himself look like the hero then get filthy rich from selling his technology. Evelyn is just a stupid traumatized bitch, and her motivation makes no sense.
I was very surprised how invested and exicited I became as I watched the movie with my Dad (who is an employee at Disney so he gets some of the great insider info). We both loved the original and both of us walked out of the theater really feeling satsified with the jokes, the action scenes, and the dialmas the film offered.
Incredibles 2 was like Finding Dory: very solid but lacking in magic. They're like good direct-to-video sequels that you enjoy once and then forget about. Aging up the family would have kept things fresh, but I guess that would interfere with selling merchandise (can't change those character designs).
I saw the villain twist coming too, but I was kinda surprised when the brother really wasn't in on the plan at all and was actually as excited about superheroes as he exhibited. It was overall a pretty good movie.
I've been doing this every Disneycember, and I won't stop now! I'll be ranking all the movies that Doug reviews from his most favorite to least favorite, at least from what I can tell from his reviews. Why? Just for fun! 1. Coco 2. Zootopia 3. Incredibles 2 4. Finding Dory 5. Captain America: Civil War 6. The Color Of Friendship 7. Moana 8. Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 9. Spider-Man: Homecoming 10. Star Wars: The Force Awakens 11. Recess: School's Out 12. The BFG 13. The Lizzie McGuire Movie 14. Cars 3 15. Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales 16. Lemonade Mouth
It was okay, not really outstanding for me, not original, not memorable, not sure what everyone loves about it. And the incredibles is my favourite movie
Honestly my biggest gripe with Evelyn is that because they are trying to play her as an ordinary person, once she’s revealed we don’t get the cool supervillain stuff they hinted at in the Screenslaver’s fake lair with the theatrical costumes and high tech gadgets. It’s especially obvious in the final fight with Elastigirl where not much super hero action happen and not even that much in terms of fighting
I actually hate the sequel, even Brad bird admits it was a shameless cash grab. The sequel just stole the same eff wording plot from the first one with the two main roles swapped.
The moment the villain came on screen, I knew it was (spoiler alert) her. Without any dialogue and only 2 seconds on screen, it was already incredibly obvious.
Personally I feel like although the twist wasn't very surprising I liked Incredibles 2 villain because she really didn't have an over-complicated backstory I understood her reasoning perfectly
Honestly, the film is worth at least about 5 out of 10 in my opinion as it's basically the first film but with Jak Jak and the roles reversed. I was disappointed with the film as Coco was such an amazing film! I really just want them to go back to making Original Films again.
I also wasn't crazy about the villain, but I liked that we got to see more of what Elastigirl is able to do with her power of flexibility like Doug mentioned with the motorcycle train chase scene. I also liked that when Elastigirl meets the heroes who've been in hiding we see how influential she is a realistic superhero society. When Void is so starstruck she can barely talk to her and then she just hugs her it was so sweet.
I wish they had an extended version with the deleted scenes. They are really good you should look into them if you haven't, especially the one with Violet and Dash in the restaurant.
I watch 10 min Preview of The Incredibles 2 in Disney World and now I watch full flim at AMC Theater is awesome when I was 17 year old teen since Summer 2018
Villains used to be so memorable. I think while a sympathetic villain is interesting it isn't done right. Villians are put akin to this box where they never crossed the line so you can keep the sympathy about them. The result is we won't get another Maleficent or Gaston
I liked that the goggles made everyone laser focused when using their powers while when they were normal they'd second guess themselves & stuff. Makes you think that the sister'd be pretty good at developing tech for supers if she reformed.
This movie was so much better than the original, which was a great movie, because of how all of the characters got an equal amount of focus. That was the biggest flaw in the original movie and honestly, I didn't care much for Mr. Incredible in the original but he's a lot better in this movie. I especially loved seeing more of Violet and how she could actually use her force fields to attack others instead of just as a way to block attacks. Unpopular opinion, but I didn't think the surprise villain was so bad here. I actually understood her motivation and why she was doing what she was doing. She was really clever and did still have style and charm to her, especially in the scene where Helen is tied up in a freezing cold room so she couldn't stretch and during the airplane scene. Was the villain obvious? Yes, but we've been getting so many damn surprise villains from Disney lately that we've come to expect a surprise villain. When a new Disney movie comes out, I find myself trying to guess who the surprise villain will be and I've always guessed right. If it wasn't for the surprise villain trend, it probably wouldn't have been criticized so much in this movie. Just my personal opinion. I think we can all agree that the surprise villain trend is no longer surprising because we all see it coming. Also, I will say one other thing that the original did better than this movie, the WHERE'S MY SUPER SUIT joke is the best joke out of all of the jokes in both of the movies. The sequel is funnier but that is one joke that can't be topped.
I guessed the villain the second they popped onto the big screen. Like, my thoughts were literally, “they’re the villain aren’t they.” However, I had their motivations wrong, so at least THAT was a surprise for me
