Indian Challenger Performance ECU Flash RESULTS - RVS, Lloydz or DynoJet Which one did I choose? 

that is great to hear, Ive heard so many other great things from other customers

I actually have a weird hiccup with the throttle on my Scout. Every 50-150 miles I'll grab and it just uh-huh... I can feel it on the tank if my leg is on it. Stalled one time. Bikes got 6500 miles on it.

This is my first send away and ecu flash. I hope that it fixes my throttle lag issue. Why Indian ships bikes that stall off the line is completley beyond me.

How fast u think it'll run after the tune & flash? I have Road Glides 2 gap 😂

@@Gorealaracer38 the speed limit 🤣

That’s my style baby. Gotta have fun in this world.

Thanks James! This bike is so stable at high speeds it’s really phenomenal.

OH , my humor is improving? LOL, thanks...i think hahaha

thanks for watching!

Nothing like the scenery you have my man! want to get out there so bad!

@@TwoIndians can you imagine your editing skills in my area? Dude come make a video with me lol 😂. Oh to hell with a video come ride with me 🤙👍💯

I imagine my editing skills in your area everytime I watch one of your videos becuase you are getting better every day my man! I'd love to go out there. You have no idea how much i think about a long trip out west

@@TwoIndians I have plenty of space for you and Barbara on a nice acre and a half on the hillside. Just saying brother 😉

You bet!

oh thank you man, yeah i try to keep it PG-13 at the most. Just who I am

Thanks so much BD! Honored to have you watching.

@@TwoIndians been a groupie for years my friend, appreciate the effort and quality of your content

Thanks my dude! I love riding and I LOVE making videos. Appreciate you watching!

Have you checked out our road that road glide St yet ❓❓❓❓

@@David-yp4fl no I haven't

@@petedetects7012 I can't wait to ride one The local dealers around here are marking it up over 10,000 + / retail

It's positively sublime. On my Springfield I feel like I'm using a deathr grip holding the thing together with bungie cords and duct tape at 90mph but this thing feels like I'm taking a Sunday stroll for an ice cream cone at 130mph. Its unreal. BTW, this video was shot in Mexico. In case anyone asks

Nice!! no cams though right? I guess that makes sense...

Everyone I’ve spoken to that has tried more than one says the DJ tune is not worth it. There’s very little daylight between the RVS and Lloydz tune so no matter which one you get you will be happy

@ridewithtwoindians Thank you very much, I appreciate the insight. The more I'm reading, the more it seems RVS might be the way to go.

this bike is so incredible, honestly its like doing 75 on the Springy. I mean I'll NEVER get it going that fast again but the stability makes it a joy to ride at any speed.

@@TwoIndians I don't know what would have happened if Iron Pony would have had a Pursuit in the showroom.

Its a long ride to get there!

Thank you! 😊

Glad you liked it!

I'm trying to figure out how I can sneak them into my bike.

That’s the best feeling, paying it off! Hey, thanks for watching and thanks for not being the typical Harley owner that comes in here saying shit like “nice Polaris” LOL. I love the RG and was 👌 close to buying one.

Thanks man! I love making them. Thanks so much for watching, I love your vibe dude

@@TwoIndians 🤙🏾🔥

LOLOLOL

Actually it’s all been pretty simple TBH. Go back and watch all my videos on getting the Springfield where I wanted it 🤣🤣🤣. I’ve never been more happy with a bike and am loving every minute of this ownership experience.

Right? She even rode her Can Am to Savannah, that’s where we were in that final shot.

are we neighbors? Awesome!

Thanks for watching Randy. Just did a simple Indian Stage 1&2 (intake/exhaust and cams)

:O No bro, thats my helmet audio, its ambience.

@@TwoIndians yes exactly!! I'm sooooo giddy right now.

@@ericsuperhawk in my next video I'm gonna step it up a notch and I'm gonna do a voice over, over my voice over, over my helmet audio. Just for you.

@@TwoIndians it's payback for you chastising me for setting my clip level at mute during a voice over. I keep forgetting to record some without talking ha ha. Being quiet is not my strength.

Not sure it will ever happen TBH, pretty happy where I am now and not willing to spend the $2k+ it would take to get it done. Maybe closer to $3k.

Didn't think the 585 cams would fit this challenger motor... I thought the only option was indian's stage 2. I don't care about the warrentee. As long as it's tuned right and rips hard and reliable still

Hi Jason, those are the KST Kustom Comanche bars. There’s a video on the install probably two months back.

haven't installed the s&s air filter I bought yet but hopefully soon so I can see if it helps with fuel mileage

Yeah she definitely could have got up to that but I was running out of room to run so I backed it down. I think I was at 5k RPM, somewhere around there. MPG all depends on how hard you are on the throttle I guess.

Well aware of all the options although we can debate about whether or not the Cat and headers are hurting performance. Even the guys at Lloydz say there are no performance gains by following your suggestion. I have a full 2:1 system on my 116 Springy. Not against doing it but my concerns are that it would be too loud (yes I’m getting old) and I would need to re-tune again.

@@TwoIndians the only two exhaust systems that I have saw that are available for the Challenger that will make good power is the Bassani and the Sawicki, both 2 into 1. And I am not a fan of the Rush exhausts. Their sound is good, and the finish is excellent. But their headpipe to cylinder head fit is cheap/terrible. And I lost power with them compared to a similar set of exhausts from Vance and Hines on my Harley. And I would lose the cat just for the weight savings and the heat if for nothing else. Thank you for your videos.

I see the results meaning the RVS tune is better than Lloyd’s?

This has convinced me which ECU Flash to get

I have mixed thoughts on it. I’m glad I did them but I can’t quantify the exact gains I got for the money. If you talk to the people at Lloydz or RVS they’ll tell you the gains they’ve measured are minimal in the grand scheme. Since I installed mine before I even picked up the bike and didn’t A/B it I don’t have any espiral evidence one way or the other. I’m eagerly awaiting aftermarket cams

There are pros and cons to it, mostly pros so yes, it is worth it. I would not ride without one

Idk, he’s running a special on his tunes right now.

Those numbers are produced at the crankshaft, which is not an uncommon way to describe power.

@@TwoIndians I feel that Indian misrepresented the numbers to try and boost the popularity of this bike. I'm waiting patiently for my 22 DH in Black Smoke to come from the factory, but i'm starting to lose faith as it was ordered end Nov 21 and still only sitting at scheduled for the past 4 months nothing. I'm up in Atlantic Canada so I'm thinking that my dealerships priority is way down the bottom of the list. I'd love to be able to contact Indian factory directly to try and get some kind of answer because I feel my dealership is failing and not concerned at all!!!

@@DoucetteMichael you can call indian support and they are amazing. Give it a shot!

Go watch the Goldwing channels

Recent Federal rules regarding Warranty on aftermarket products(including firmware) dictate that warranties cannot be voided u less it can be proven that the alteration had direct causation for a failure. For example, they can’t decline a warranty claim for your clutch cable, brake cylinder, valve train or crankshaft. But if the ECU locks up or the bike won’t run because of it they could make a case for that. True story, my buddy has a Challenger with a Lloydz tune and the bikes rear cylinder stopped firing. First step in trouble shooting was to reflash the ecu to confirm it was not the aftermarket flash. Once they elongated that they worked on it for over a month and then determined it was timing issue and ultimately warantied the problem. BTW, the bike has 40k miles in just under two years and they still covered it. Hope this helps.

The air cooled motor is limited in RPM range so the tune will help.

@@TwoIndians oh really? Like before the rev limiter it's limited?

@@joshsutcliffe6099 the tune raises the rev limiter

@@TwoIndians I've never hit the rev limiter lol

I would call RVS and discuss it with them. They’re in Minnesota or somewhere up there near the North Pole. I have no idea

@@TwoIndians thank you Sir

Everyone’s Dyno is calibrated differently but I can tell you there should def be an improvement over the factory exhaust which I’m running.

Those are the KST Commanche bars. I have a complete installation video on this channel.

2022 Indian Challenger Handlebar Installation - easy how-to video for Mid-rise KST Commanche bars. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-En0f8QbL8Rs.html

@@TwoIndians thanks. Great content, been surfin all your vids!

@@jdsparks100 i try! thanks! please follow us on FB and IG too!

watch the video smartass LOL

MIleage has dropped about 2 MPG under normal driving conditions.

not following...it's a 2018 and has a 116 in it

@@TwoIndians talking about your handle bars I like the upgrades you have done , I just got a Springfield I ordered the 12 inch but maybe I should have got the 14 of those on yours are 14

@@banksboy6806 those are factory 16" apes, rolled back a hair.

@@TwoIndians factory 16 I only had a 12 or 14 option I think,but appreciate the response they look good

I believe so yes but this video is 2 years old now I think so double check with RVS

Does Infinity have a plug and play solution that boosts power?

@@TwoIndians no there is only 50w per channel Unless you put an amp in

This is an often answered question and the answer is, it depends. I mean if my engine starts misfiring or something I’m sure the dealer or Indian might have an issue. But if a fork seal fails or your windshield motor breaks that’s not gonna affect it

It’s how fast the motor revs, the pull you feel on the bars, the fact you jump off the line instead of just pulling away. Look at the low RPM numbers on the chart for example. From 1000 RPM you’re already starting off way higher than the previous baseline

50 to 63 is very respectful. More than the peak number though the entire curve giving available power throughout is the real reflash deal.

@@ericsuperhawk Mine is a whole curve tune too (most, if not all, are). Makes a difference in general rideability and throttle response for sure.

@@Kcducttaper1 back in "the day" often a tune would have you deciding, "Do you want more ponies at the red line, or more power at the blast off" ha ha. Technology has come a long way. I can remember guys with sport bikes idling at 3k because of the tweeks they had done for more top end.. crazy days.

There Are multiple things I found Harley do to the tuning and Indian right there with them in like a street bike the Complete rewrite of the ECU and unlock things also while smoothing the the Advances in this advances of timing and duration of the injectors and how the Injectors pulsate make a big difference

Nope

zero sound imprvement. I wanted that lopey rubmle and it does not have it all but I'm told that has more to do with the engine deisgn and that even an aftermarket cam that the bagger racers are using wont give you that. both Lloydz and RVS are not that impressed with the Indian cams but rigt now there is no alternative yet

@@TwoIndians thanks i really was considering stage 2 for sound .... no sound improvement its not worth the 5k price .. i just need it to rumble but i dont like air cooled engines

If you want rumble on the highway, go with the Sawicki exhaust! I just put it on my Challenger 3 weeks ago and it is absolutely bad ass! Sending my ECU off to RVS tomorrow morning!

@@darcher5888 louder than tabs with zombie baffles?

Well very few people have the Lloydz cams so I personally wouldn’t know. I am friends with someone that rides with someone that does have them and he believes they are slightly better than his Indian cams. If that’s not confusing enough.

@@TwoIndians thanks for the reply!

Lids, maybe Advanblack? That’s where I’m getting my tourpack. John Shope may have speaker lids too. Not sure. I’m testing a Custom Dynamics adaptive LED light now and like it so far. Slightly different color but love the patterns it throws. Excellent. I think TLC makes crash bars.

@@TwoIndians you rock thank you?

How about any where to order bag liners??? 2021 challenger. I can not find them any where

@@jimmysandborn910 this is what I use Challenger VLOG #4 - Saddle Bag Organizer, win a set for your bike! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ll5-qR3QaMs.html

Custom Dynamics Adaptive. Awesome light

My wife had a Vstar tourer, you’re gonna have a hard time convincing me that thing could make it to 100mph. They only have like 70 Hp

Maybe 139 km/h

How’d you fare against the 131

@@JorgeL1 it has a long list of upgrades and honestly it wasn't real close. Mine just has a cam. But he gets me in 1st gear then just stays bout a full bike ahead of me to 110 then I roll on by. But I mean by 40mph the race is over lol.

I would check with them and ask what the current policy is on that

Those are the KST Commanche bars. I have a full install video, it’s a lot of fun.

110%

@@TwoIndians good to know! Ty!

That’s a camera I don’t use often, the Sony ZV-1, and if you’re running in low light it wants to turn off the stabilization. Not sure why. Honestly I expected it to work. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Those are KST bars, I think they’re called Comanche bars. I have an installation video in this series, thanks for watching!

@TwoIndians I have a 23 Pursuit ima have 2 change my bars have Dirty Bird Customs up there now but I'm reaching 2 forward so I want something like what U have

It’s more than 8hp, it runs better from top to bottom. Yes. 100%. As long as you got the money

@@TwoIndians My man, enjoy 👍

Yeah that’s always been a concern for me, scary as hell right?

LOL, that’s just who I am. I mean, I work in construction industry so nothing shocks me but I try to keep the channel PG13

Indeed

That’s a 10% increase for probably around $2500 I’d guess. Worth it to me, that’s all I care about. Thanks for watching!

KST Comanche. I have an install video also

@@TwoIndians thanks brother

There’s a donate button up there. I’d love a decent set of riding pants that I can pull over my jeans in cooler weather. All donations graciously accepted.

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