It's interesting to me that so many shows and movies these days are featuring characters that are race swapped. I'm toying around with the idea of making a video about race swapping and why it matters. Let me know if that's something you guys want to see.
No, I'd leave race out of it. You'll just antagonise some of your viewership, whatever you say. Plus, unless you have been subjected to racial abuse/discrimination of any kind, you won't have the required level of empathy to address this topic with the depth and complexity it requires. Cheers.
I was going to say “you are entitled to your opinion “but you literally said I am not entitled to mine unless I’ve experienced the same discrimination. You can stop right there. My race, nor experiences invalidate any opinion I have, especially when it comes to cultural vandalism of established white characters. Yes, she should definitely address the very serious issue since it’s obvious the left are trying to erase our past
I disagree with the comment above that you can't discuss the topic unless you've been the victim of racial abuse. That kind of one-sided silencing of debate ("you're not allowed to talk about gender identity/race/feminism/other because you're cis/white/male/other.") fosters resentment and division. However, race-swapping *is* a very sensitive topic, and even if you present a factual and reasoned case with no intended offence, someone will inevitably get offended anyway. You'll be called names and possibly get a wrist slap from RU-vid.
Marion was such an icon when I was growing up. Tough, independent, but loving and feminine. I also have a huge soft spot for Willie... she got dragged into her adventure - and to be honest, I think I'd scream a lot, too. A very honest and endearing character. Nice review by the way. I wrote down below, that Phoebe Waller-Bridge can only do Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
I think my biggest issue with these "modern audience" flicks is how they have to destroy established characters to exist. Why not just make your own hero inspired by whatever the focus in. Tomb Raider was an awesome character, clearly inspired by Indy and ended up being an iconic character in her own right for 2 decades.
Those of us who grew up with these movies- you are 100% correct!! Every word and correlation you gave - fantastic!! We loved all the original female characters for the exact reasons you gave. All movies these days are missing that magic. And what was that specific magic?? The realness and differences between men and women. Well done! I hope you do well with this channel.
@@yogijager They didn't exist to upstage Indy though. They were good for what they were, to drive the story and be love interests with a little romantic comedy thrown in. Also another point is they were cast very much in the mould of Bond girls - to be attractive new women in the movies who could be shown on posters and would get men and teenage boys to buy tickets. Do you think Waller-Bridge is acheiving that?
@@Drixenol86 No it aint. It's a adventure horror film and she's the fish out of water starlet played for comedy, it's entirely appropriate. Why would she suddenly turn into Rambo after a lifetime of nighclub singing and high living?
At this point with KK using these characters as a self insert fan fic narcissist, I firmly believe she is doing this all on purpose. Being the coffee secretary for all those years for Lucas and Spielberg ate away at her for years. Now she’s on a mission to destroy their characters.
@@user-vg8ox3he1i Because of how bad she it. There are a long list of far far more famous producers (and many of them directors themselves) and you know it.
That's pretty much on point, and exactly what she's doing. I actually blame George Lucas for all of this. Not only did he sell his friggin company to an evil monster corporation... but he appoints KK as the President. I suspect blackmail. She has incriminating pictures or something. lol
I like Willy Scott from Temple of Doom precisely _because_ she's scared out of her mind throughout the movie and complains mightily about her situation. As NerdWorld says, that is exactly how a normal person would react to falling out of a plane, getting served monkey's brains, sticking a hand into a dark crevice filled with bugs, watching someone's heart ripped out, and falling off a bridge 300 feet above a river filled with hungry crocodiles. She also has some of the funniest interactions with Indy of all three female leads. Willy Scott needs to be better appreciated.
I think the movie doesn't say anything against that sort fo charachter it just introduces a female charachter that isn't that, she is an Action hero like indi, and if she had her own movie maybe shed be in a movie with a man that reacts like a normal person.
Willie gets too much hate which I don’t understand. She’s practically an uninitiated character who’s never dealt with Nazis or cults so her reactions throughout the movie are justifiable. She’s just a normal person who’s accidentally brought into Indy’s world. She reacts as an outsider would.
That's fine. But they didn't need to make her neurotic and tone-deaf as well. You can depict a character as flawed without magnifying EVERY negative trait.
PWB is a buzz kill to every scenes she's into. Never had i saw a women with a smile that much in every scene in the movies. Even when in the boat with some important character just being killed, she dilly dallying around the boat with that smile and some WEIRD confident, and then laughing after she managed to escaped that boat. Such a weird cast and character.
Even that, though, wasn't in character with Indy. Indiana Jones either doesn't get married and keeps smashing the wayward women that come his way due to his lifestyle not being conducive to a happy homelife or he gets married to someone who is at lest ten to fifteen years younger than him, not someone feminists would call 'age appropriate'. As much as I would like to be the latter in my own life I can only be the former because most women have issues these days, a most men can attest.
@@jamesdanton9033 ah... Well considering Crystal Skull and Dial should never have been made in the first place, even a forced happy out of character ending is better than "men bad" & "fight the patriarchy" bs Disney has been spitting out with the latest indy and star wars films. Old Indiana Jones is just sad.
Indy's perfect ending, of course, was the end of The Last Crusade: literally riding off into the sunset to further adventures that are left to your imagination. That's how it's done. Crystal Skull was surplus to requirements, but the ending wasn't offensive: Indy settling down with his original best gal and denying the kid the hat, implying there's life in the old dog yet and he's done with the hat when _he_ decides that he is; no-one else. It's a fitting end, considering how much older Indy was. But this "final ending" is horrible: Indy old and wounded and defeated, just wanting to die; his son dead, so Indy's the end of the Jones line with no "legacy" - and some completely unlikeable bint stealing the (metaphorical) torch and running away with it while Indy's too weak to do anything about it. Cheers for that, Disney.
@@blatherskite3009 Absolutely. Just like everything made after Star Trek: Enterprise, everything after The LAST Crusade is also non-canon feminist fiction.
It's not about what the fans want. It's about what they think the fans *ought to* want. We're meant to be thrilled by the concept of women taking over from old white men, and if we aren't it's because we're bad people and need re-education.
the dont care if we get re-education they care if they are brainwashing the new generation of humans we will die in 50 years and they will have brain washed our kids in to believing this is how it should be they are playing the long game
Harrison Ford is partially to blame for this travesty. He knew full well what they were filming, no matter how many re-shoots. He should be ashamed he let his own legacy deteriorate.
He doesn't give AF and would laugh at you for complaining. He's never cared about his characters beyond what he does in role, and I don't think he even rewatches his own movies more than once.
The Indiana Jones franchise had three main ingredients: George Lucas, John Williams, and Steven Spielberg. I’m not alone claiming it is a trilogy., and one of the greatest in cinema. What LucasFilm is today under Disney is bloated soulless corporate dog sh*t.
Let me rephrase that: Under Kathleen Kennedy. Disney has not not done much about Kennedys decisions since she was appointed as the successor to Lucas by Lucas himself.
I don't understand the Hollywood elites' fascination with Waller-Bridge. The single character that she plays in everything is insufferable. As a writer and producer she kills cinematic golden geese. Even if she was halfway good, she doesn't have to be in everything.
Disney buying Lucasfilm was really the worst case scenario. Everyone blames Kathleen Kennedy and it's partially her, but this is all mandated by Disney they are the ones ruining these ips. Even when they speak about their movies they call them products, the human element has been taken out of these films and now they are written by committee in a corporate board room.
Indiana Jones' story ended when he walked out a married and proud man, with his beloved wife, Marion, his not so bright yet spirited and amusing son, and the rest of their family, in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Could his story have also ended in the 3rd film? Certainly. Either one is better than the 5th film, which is best we pretend it was NEVER made, and TBH considering how Indy was portrayed, which wasn't the Indy we grew up loving, but someone who we may as well call Jake Jones, as Mark Hamill would say (Jake Skywalker reference Haha), the film doesn't count as an "Indiana Jones" film. As for Waller Bridge, there's so much WRONG with her character, how loathsome she is, and just how POORLY written she was, she takes away whatever life the film could've had. That's the thing, compared to the past films, the 5th one was so lifeless and quite depressing.
@@poocrayon4588 Right? She didn't star in any other major projects with different writers, she did a voice-over in Solo, but that was again - just like her. Her roles in the two shows she wrote = she played the main character, so there's basically no proof that she can act with some different material. Basically all she does is that she plays herself all the time. Plus she's unattractive (imho even ugly), bitchy and annoying, she thinks she's the funniest and smartest person in the room = that's the worst combination.
Phoebe Waller-Bridge is the kiss of death for so many franchises. If she has a hand in the production of the movie, that movie will be dead on arrival. She played a robot in "Solo - A Star Wars Story" and in order to tick all the agenda boxes, it was ensured that Lando Calrissian was having a sexual relationship with this robot (eww) because that way pansexuals would be represented. She co-produced the final Daniel Craig James Bond film, "No Time To Die", in which James Bond was replaced by a strong black female 007 (more agenda boxes ticked) and was finally killed off, leaving his ex-girlfriend and daughter to presumably become secret agents as well. Every time Phoebe Waller-Bridge appears, another piece of my childhood dies. And then when I complain about these artistic travesties, I get to be called racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. for raising my voice.
Relatively simple, not sure why the producers didn't see this - The 'annoying upstart' character only works in a film/show if it's against a character you don't like/hate. That doesn't work against Indiana as he's the character we like/should like, even if they try to make him unlikeable at this point. So you end up disliking the annoying upstart - In a good film that character doesn't get the happy end, or gets put back in their place etc.
Don't forget that the "annoying upstart" character also works well as a villain origin, much like in _The Incredibles._ By default that character type is more of an antagonist (not the same as a villain or "bad guy") even if the character is technically a protagonist of the story. Just look at Scrappy Doo for instance. An annoying upstart who often gets the Mystery Gang into more trouble due to his own self interest in proving his misbegotten beliefs of his uncle Scooby being brave and heroic so feels the need to prove himself in spite of what's best for the group's interests. Scrappy is one of the least favored, and in a lot of cases, most hated characters from the Scooby Doo franchise for exactly the same reasons you stated. People like, even love, Scooby and they don't like Scrappy actively working against him regardless of his intentions. The "annoying upstart" role rarely works as a true protagonist.
@@JeffCaplan313not in this context. We are talking about playing off against one other person. Jesus wasn’t an annoying upstart juxtaposed against one other. A civilisation / culture maybe but this is different
The problem is that PWB is way above her competence as both actress and writer. And there's no way she hasn't had significant input into her character. There's a type - British upper middle class, well connected, Oxbridge or RADA. They breeze into the BBC on the back of connections, get a quirky series then branch out into quirky UK film work. Never that popular beyond a select quirky audience. Their range is usually from quirky to... quirky. For some reason, for some in the US this is worth hiring.
Really. So "Fleabag" is quirky? I would have said that PWB is much too sophisticated for American mass audiences, but this is how it must look from there...
I don't know if "Fleabag" is quirky or not, but it's unwatchable. It's one of those things where people say things like, "not everyone is going to understand that kind of humor", as if you just aren't smart enough to "get it", when in reality, it's just not funny. Between that and female, British accent, blah blah blah, she gets work. They should have used her in "Sea Biscuit", but they already hired the horse, I'm told.
@@lauralarrabee7870 You left out more attractive and better coworker, but I'll let it slide, no need to get redundant on here. Speaking of which, Kathleen Kennedy and Phoebe Wallbanger are getting pretty good at taking anything people would want to watch, and making it unwatchable.
The same actress that voiced the Lando loving L-3 robot from the Solo Story is now the new Indian Jones. Thanks, Disney. You really know how to stick it to the fans.
Ke Huy Quan shoulda been in this movie. I wanted to know what happened to him ever since I saw Temple of Doom as a kid. I was Short Round's age when ToD came out, and I'm sorry I'll never get to know what happened to him. They keep giving Indy these horrible adult child figures, forgetting that Indy had a kid. Short Round was a Chinese orphan at a very bad time in the world to be an orphan, so I always imagined that Indy brought him home to live in the USA. Short Round's parents were killed in the bombing of Shanghai, and his only brother died (cause of death unknown) before he met Indy by trying to steal from him. Comic book adventures have suggested that Short Round went on the become an adventurer too, but who knows how much of this is cannon now anyway? Maybe it's just one more of Kathleen Kennedy's famous missed opportunities.
Even if they cannot fit him in the movie script, it wouldnt be too complicated having him turned up late knocking Indiana Jones's door. it would make a great ending.
@@TerbangSaja I thought by now he coulda been Indy's research assistant and adventure partner. But they way you say it woulda been nice too, even for a brief moment.
There is a reconciliation with Marion at the end which is supposed to be one of the more touching scenes in the film , but they kill off their son off screen in Vietnam and they are divorced.
Yeah and that new ending was one of the reshoots cause the original ending with PWB taking Indy's hat and strolling off to the next adventure really put off the test audiences. So the ending thats there now was a concession at best.
It seems to me that Hollywood has forgotten how to write strong female characters who can do things on their own merits without having to wave the fact that they're a woman in everyone's face while simulatneously having to prove how much better they are at everything all the time. Why can't we go back to well written strong female characters like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Clarice Starling, Dana Scully and Trinity?
I shudder at the thought how these characters would be portrayed today. Ripley would be a badass, gun slinging freighter captain who shows engineeres how to do repair work, and lecture the doctor on how to treat a medical emergency. All male crewmen would stil die, but only because they refuse to follow her orders. And of course she would leg kick the alien out the airlock.
@@Zimionz No, because Ridley Scott would still be directing and young and want to do it his way. And more importantly Alien wouldn't exist as a popular franchise that women like Waller Bridge or Kennedy would want to latch onto and make more feminine. If woke feminism was round in the time of Alien, they wouldn't be trying to change Alien, they would be trying to make Planet of the Apes 9 or something 15 years before and do it with all female leads - some movie franchise that was beyond played out but had name value. That's their MO. When something is already an established hot commodity and name value product that's when the women like this show up demanding more power and/or inclusion. And when the creators of the thing no longer have passion for it that's when these types of women inherit it.
Exactly. They've forgotten how to write strong women, so they have to make the men look weak and incompetent in order to prop up their female counterparts. Those older films worked because the characters are strong on their own and relatable.
I don’t think she was ever very highly rated as either one. No one is impressed with her acting, and the only thing keeping her in business as a writer is studio execs and activist directors that know she’ll “check the boxes” they want.
I’m not apologising. If most brits knew about her involvements in the destruction of much loved stories for an agenda then they would hate her too. She should be jobless and ridiculed for the rest of her days
No problem at all. We’ll sit back, not go see the new Disneyana Jones movie and enjoy the fact that, when enough fans reject this garbage, the result will be Disney losing another 150-200 million dollars. We’ll smother it very quickly and it won’t cost any of us a dime. Then, we’ll repeat this process and over again for every other movie they make to punish them for their insolence. Let’s just see how much money they can stomach losing. Bring it on Karen Kennedy…🍿
In the age of streaming and you tube it's so easy to watch a good movie which you possibly havent seen whenver you want and just not go to crappy new movies.
Of all the women in the Indiana Jones films, Marion Ravenwood is my favorite. She seemed the most well written. My least favorite is Dr. Ilsa Schneider. Maybe it was actress Alison Doody, but the character was boring. Cate Blanchett did a good job as the villainess in KOTCS, and Kate Capshaw, of course, was great as Willie Scott. Phoebe Waller Bridge isn't even worth discussing. As always, great analysis! Thank you!
You know, I really proud of K Kennedy. She, WB executives who fired ZS and Disney woke agenda - single handedly killed entire US movie industry of summer blockbusters. That's f%cking impressive
Crystal Skull gave Indy a happy ending and Dial of Poop gives Indy a divorced, sad, miserable Indy. Granted they wrote him getting back with Marian but Fleabag is so insufferable every time she is on screen, including the multiple lines of her pointing out that she sleeps around with any man but Indy. Fleabag is radioactive garbage and destroys everything she touches.
Thing is Indy is lucky that she doesn’t wNt to sleep with him - the whole body count bit showing her as attractive is another fantasy insert for a very average looking woman who wouldn’t get much male interest in the real world
@@antoniovasquez9946Kathleen Kennedy‘s agenda. She has a fetish for British brunette women outshining the old white male heroes by making them fail in life.
This isn't Indiana Jones. Just like James Bond wasn't James Bond in No Time to Die (co-written by Phoebe Waller Bridge). Han Solo isn't Han Solo in Solo (where Phoebe Waller Bridge plays a feminist robot). You see a pattern emerging? Didn't see the Bond film, won't see the Indy movie. They're not my heroes anymore.
Honestly I think she was far worse because: Spoilers: she isn't an adventurer, but a monster and an unapologetic theif. Her introduction is coming back into Indy's life... Someone she should care about, getting his coworkers(people she should sympathize with) killed in a way he gets framed for murder, locking him in his artifact storage cage with literal Nazi Killers... And she does so purely out of greed, then only shows a shred of remorse the second time she gets more of his friends killed ONLY after he reminds her of that fact. Indy kind of had that Batman effect going where you know they kill a few reluctantly but have at least sympathetic "I didn't want to do that" going for them, but her character is more like Catwoman but... Unlikable without a care about casualties in her wake and often having caused them by drawing in suckers to the dangerous activities to use as meat shields.
I keep hearing that the 1st 20 minutes are actually good, with a young Indy.. I'd much rather have a senior Harrison Ford, telling stories and the movie be a flashback.
It would have been interesting to have Short Round be that other adventurer and remind the sad Indy why he was so awesome in the first place. Then we might have investment into who was going to wear the hat and crack the whip next.
Would've loved is see short round is happily married and with a good life, who joins indy cause indy helped him as a child and he can't let indy go on a voyage alone at that age and goes on a week old adventure with him
She’s great in fleabag and her acting in general is good just because the character she’s playing is bad doesn’t mean she’s the one responsible for it wtf
Phoebe Waller Bridge is Lucasfilm’s equivalent to Brie Larson and that god forsaken character of Captain Marvel which is one of many reasons that i will never watch this movie under any circumstances. As far as I’m concerned this and KOTCS do not exist because i only acknowledge and enjoy the 1981-1989 Indiana Jones trilogy because they are perfectly adventurous, well written, brilliantly acted, and some of the most entertaining adventures in the history of cinema. The fact of the matter is we already saw the most fitting and satisfying climax of IJ at the end of The Last Crusade. #IndianaJones #StevenSpielberg #GeorgeLucas #HarrisonFord #SeanConnery
There are so many actresses who could have pulled this off: Naomie Harris, Ana de Armas, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Sigourney Weaver, Michelle Yeoh, etc. Any of them would have me really excited for this film, yet they went with PWB, who is generally divisive and not really proven in a role like this. Indy is my favorite character and franchise, but I'll wait until I can rent this from the library. I'm not forking over more money so Disney can ruin another beloved franchise.
It's funny, on seeing other reviewers discuss this woman, they kept saying "Fleabag", which I didn't realize was some kind of show, I thought it was just a "British/UK" term to call someone a "C U Next Thursday". And I haven't seen or heard anything about this movie that changes that initial assessment. Maybe it's just me, but in prior eras of movies, if you saw a male character acting like these strong and empowered women (Biff from Back to the Future, Neidermeyer from Animal House, and so on) you know instantly they are the antagonist/"bad-guy" for the movie. Now all of a sudden we're intended to side with the "bad-guy" simply because he's no longer a guy? and when we don't, we're the bigoted ones? We all know and or have met a "Miriam", same in that we know a "Willie", and most of us know an "Elsa" from our lives. I get the impression unless you live in a Hollywoke "bubble" the chances of you meeting a, whatever her name is which I can't be bothered to look up, is slim to none, and if you did, your first instinct would be to just leave them be the way you would an angry rattlesnake.
Yeah, I was kinda confused by the "Fleabag" monicker at first too, though I thought it was somehow more a play on the name Phoebe for some reason. Then I heard one of the reviewers mention the show and it all made sense Side note: It's Marion, not "Miriam."
Well said! What modern Hollywood doesnt get is that we have already had awesome female characters who didn't have to compete with their male lead but instead where there to compliment them. How fantastic are Princess Leia and Marion Ravenwood? And they're still iconic decades later. They also have a feminine power that modern Hollywood doesnt get - and that is vulnerability because characters who can express vulnerability are more relatable and more real than characters that need to prove they can compete with men and thus collapse into another version of 'the male gaze'! Also - surely we can just create female leads by now - as opposed to parachuting a woman into every traditional male role?
I miss female characters. Now we get instead male characters played by women, if it makes sense. Thank you very much for reminding me how awesome the three ladies were in the original movies.
Is there anyone out there like these movies if you look at most reviews on u tube or anywhere else there bad if Indy 5 makes 60 million on it's first weekend it has to be fans to see this train wreck for themselves or people who never seen a Indy movie what doesn't make sence is Kathleen Kennedy and Disney keep making them again and again do they think that young people who see these movies are going to grow up thinking that these are good movies
@@garethdevlin5399 I was a huge Indy fan *emphasis on huge* until I seen reviews on fleabag and her next tire fire and empress Kathleen Palpatine Kennedy destroying another Lucasfilm IP with woke fungus identity politics
You nailed this. I really like how you compared and contrasted the strengths of each of the previous female companions as well as the writing behind them. You've earned a sub today. Keep up the awesome work!
The trouble with Phoebe Waller- Bridge is that she doesn't belong. Anywhere. She radiates alienation the way a lighthouse radiates light and location. This isn't a reference to this film, just to Phoebe Waller- Bridge.
Marion's character was tough sweet and beautiful. I actually met the actress years ago and she was all of those things in person. The screen doesn't lie.
This video is so beautiful, concise and to the point. I will say this, movies use to be fun, they were made to get emotions flowing, laughter, anger, sorrow. Now they are made for different reasons and we are all the lesser for it. Very very well spoken video.
The characters share nothing with real life female heroes. It's like they have purposely misinterpreted strengths of classic characters as toxicity. Resentment isn't a writing technique. I think the biggest problem with writers is that they are so naive they don't realize that everyone else isn't as naive as they are.
Fleabag isn't even attractive when compared to the women from the previous films. At best she's a plain Jane. Phoebe and the character she plays literally brings nothing of any value to this flick. Audiences are more likely to put up with, if not even enjoy, an annoying or otherwise odd character if the actor or actress playing the part is easy on the eyes.
the moment they said this woman was in is the moment i zoned out. if she was in the film for 10mns i would have struggled to watch it, the fact she is in the whole movie means its totally unwatchable to me.
On top of their characters personalities and how they complimented Indy in each respective story arc, they were also all hot AF. PWB is not attractive, and the character traits make her 10 times worse. She literally embodies the angry feminist trope. For most guys, thats repulsive, not endearing.
Your points are well put and the saddest part is all the examples of strong female characters with proper character development. I don’t understand KKs disconnect if feminism is her primary focus other than maybe this is a personal attempt at self insert. Frank Marshall sure picked a winner.
I think part of the problem is that the women cresting these stories, like KK, are themselves somewhat similar to these androgenous "strong women" they shove in everywhere. They've crafted the heroes in their own image, or rather in the image of their own idealozed conception of themselves. And they're not that typical, and as an exaggerated fantasy of themselves they're not interesting or likeable. Which is too bad. It's not clear to me that Lucas or Spielberg did that. They're not particularly similar to Indy or Luke or Han. They knew they could make great stories out of those sorts of characters though
If Speilberg and Lucas did that it was far more as total wish fufilment for themselves. Maybe there are elements of their personalities which are like those characters but they clearly cast the coolest and most handsome guys they could in those roles - rather than trying to cast a male nerd looking type and then tell the audience they had to find that cool and were wrong not to. Casting Waller Bridge as female Indy would have been like Speilberg casting Woody Allen as the original Indy.
In The Terminator, they took a weak women and molded her into a tenacious fighter. Her final fight and the ending showed how much she had grown. In Indy 5, they given you a 'strong', flawless woman and will insist that you like her.
Yeah, Sarah Connor was made into a strong fighter naturally throughout the Terminator films while Helena Shaw is just an average "strong" woman protag that isn't likeable ever! Helena was so damn annoying for me.
I think you're right on with your perspective. The only place where I differ is that I think Kathleen Kennedy and her cohorts have zero interest in pleasing the fans, and I don't think they mind at all if these movies tank at the box office. It seems like they never get the message because we assume success at the box office matters to them. They don't care; it's a cult.
The scene where Marion is drinking the man under the table always bothered me. Not because it shows a hardcore alcoholic can outdrink someone much larger than themselves, but for the way they are taking shots rapidly. The drink they took 20 minutes ago is the one they're feeling now. In another 20 minutes the man will likely be dead from alcohol poisoning. I knew a guy who did die - briefly - doing this, but luckily he was revived in the ER. He and the fools he was drinking with were definitely inspired by this scene.
Finally some Willie love. The average reaction of the normal viewer to her isn't the dork one you see online - most people watching thought she was funny - and HOT!
Before 2000 writers , directors, produces and even the actors put more in creativity in hoping you would like it. Today they just expect or demand you to enjoy it. woman like KK and Phoebe Waller Brindge will never be anything else but shadows in other peoples footsteps.
I could probably ramble on for hours about all the various ways PWB is godawful and insuffarable, but I think I'll just stick to the main and most obvious point: Woke feminist writers are hyper-aware and laser-focused on an entire litany of behaviours and character traits they deem "toxic" in men, rightly or wrongly, yet these same feminists will then load their girlboss characters with these same traits, often taken to extremes, *with none of the redeeming qualities (charm, heroism, selflessness, determination despite repeated setbacks, etc.* that a male hero will have to offset his flaws. And then the feminists cry "Misogyny" when people don't like the girlboss, when they rightly point out that the character is essentially a villain being treated like a "good guy" by the plot. It doesn't matter how genre-savvy and metacontextual you are when you have zero self-awareness. Woke feminism is such a misguided ideology that its adherents keep accidentally creating villains when they try to create heroic rolemodels. It would be funny if it were just one or two studios, but unfortunately most of western entertainment is infected, terminally so.
@@bluesides8323 Not necessary. PWB plays the same character (herself), in every project she's in, not to mention the whole "sad-sack has-been male hero getting upstaged by the girlboss" formula has been done to death; it's patently obvious that they're taking the Jake Skywalker approach here again. If you think my prejudgment is woefully inaccurate in hindsight, tell me where I'm wrong.
This is pretty accurate to the movie for the character. She's incredibly selfish and has one very unexplained case of doing something good at the end. Quite simply, she's not a good character.
💯 Thank you for putting this out there! It’s really sad to see how Disney is spending endless millions with crappy reboots… In the end, this just makes the original movies even better!
1944 is the first (and only) time we see Indy and Helena's father together, but it doesn't mean that was the first time the two met. Helena is supposedly 30 years old which would place her time of birth at 1939 since the movie begins around the time of the moon landing in 1969. Godparents aren't necessarily chosen at birth or baptism either, so it's not really that odd that Indy could have been chosen as the godfather of Helena after her birth or baptism.
I wish the men I know could see it as clearly as you do. They're all so desperate to be "non-threatened," they can't see an obnoxious, self-righteous ballbuster when they're looking right at her. I mean, they are literally conditioned to cheer for these Strong Female Caricatures regardless.
These folks believe that their way of thinking is morally correct and that if others don’t fall in line it’s not because they are wrong; it’s because others are a fill-in-the-blank phobic, ignorant, etc. They will never back off simply because they believe they are superior in every way to us mere humans.
I love Willie! Great straight right hand and her arc is great. She goes from a spoiled prima Donna to a tough , literally "been through the fire" bad ass! As much as I love Marion Ravenwood Willie's my fav. Great scream as well, although it's not her scream, lol.
Also, Phrobe WB's character brand name was "Wombat Shaw." I am using that as proff that she wasn't originally concieved as a support character for Harrison Ford or as a new Indiana. "Wombat Shaw" is a terrible brand name.
Thanks for this, I couldn't agree more! In fact, I wonder why the studio could not create an exciting adventure with Indy & Marian together. For example, being on an adventure, needed to separate to find parts of an artifact and to find each other again, confronted with crazy dictators or war lords and without time-travelling, space aliens or other things not belonging to an archeology story. THAT had been a movie I had spend my money for and not for another Mary Sue film Disney thinks the audience needs.
Over the years, I’ve come to believe Temple of Doom is on equal footing with the Last Crusade. With Raiders the ultimate winner. And, installments 4 & 5 dumb cash grabs.
Temple of Doom rules, I dont know what people are talking about. Sure it doesnt work on the dramatic emotional level of Last Crusade and isnt the original like Raiders - but it's a different, scarier and exotic adventure with a different type of female sid echaracter.
Basically, every female character had upsides and downsides, but this chick has no downsides and is portrayed as ,,Strong independent woman" that unlike the rest, Indiana Jones himself didnt want but she just stepped in and didnt care.
Your analysis is on point. Touche! Another reason why 'Fleabag' (as others have called her) is unlikable and doesn't work in this: 'She's ugly'! If they wanted to insert a strong female character in this franchise, I can think of another actress (beautiful is she) who portrayed a 'Tomb Raider' in another franchise. What a cross-over event that would've been! Imagine if Lara Croft's mother was also an adventurer and just as pleasing on the eyes. She and Indy crossed paths on occasions and were rivals too. She saves Indy by sacrificing her life for his (and that is why you never saw her in the other franchise). Her jealous husband (Lara's father) thought she had cheated on him, so he never uttered her name again and erased her memory from young Lara. (Which brings up the question of who really was her father?)
The simple reality is the Indy actresses were cast similar to Bond girls, as love interests who were attractive and would look good on posters to get men/teen boys to buy tickets. That's not saying they weren't well written aside from that, but you know that was their basic agenda with those characters. They either just needed to say Indy was to old for that and have more Marion - or include a few of his students and have one be a hot chick (though it would be weird if she turned into a full blown love interest and Fords age). Or both. Waller Bridge just doesn't belong.
Imagine a company selling, let's say, yoghurt with fruit. Then comes a new management, saying: o no, there's too much sugar and artificial flavors. We can't sell this any more. What do we do? Well, broccoli is healthy. So let's sell yoghurt with raw pieces of broccoli, but don't change the name of the product. Once people have tasted it, they will love it. And if the don't love it, we tell them that they should love it! The role of Helena reminds me of another famous Tombraider. In fact it is an interesting thought what would happen if these two franchises meet. But that role is occupied and i doubt that there could be two of them.
The people "in charge" are in charge because they want power. Culturally, this plays out in media that tells the viewer how and what to feel and programs them for the desired reactions. This isn't about business - shut up, consume product, and think and do as we say.
I believe that most fans like myself wanted Marion Ravenwood-Jones, (Karen Allen), Indiana Jones's wife, to feature in The Dial of Destiny instead of Phoebe Waller-FLEABAG (KK's 'self-insert). Indy married Marion towards the end of 'Kingdom of the Crystal Skull,' the fourth movie of the franchise, a movie that I personally like quite a lot.
Id love to see a Hollywood biopic about Emmeline Pankhurst but (for reasons) she'll be played by a guy. It'll be a heart-warming and stirring tale of a forward-thinking and sensitive man called Eric Pankhurst who organises the UK suffragette movement and helps those pretty women win the right to vote. Maybe a riveting biopic about Alan Earhart who flew the first plane over the Atlantic? Or how about adapting those wonderful Agatha Christie novels featuring Mr John Marple. Black Panther sequel starring Ryan Gosling taking on the mantle? A reboot of Shaft starring Josh Brolin? A historical drama set during the Black Plague in England with an ethnically diverse cast?
What I see is that KK the destroyer, killed off Luke Skywalker, killed off Han Solo but not before revealing him to be a dead-beat dad and now killed off Indiana Jones. Meh, done with Hollywood and certainly done with Disney. Though, I'm glad that many years ago I got experience all the good that Disney was before it came down with the woke cancer sweeping through so many corporations and our society as a whole.
Luke Skywalker. Faced Vader while being as calm as a cucumber, the only person in the galaxy who was willing to try and reach him, but we're supposed to believe that several years later he was going to murder his nephew because he sensed a flicker of darkness in him while he was sleeping? Um, I have this bridge for sale...
I am absolutely sick of these iconic characters being seeing as nothing more than mantles to Hollywood, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Willow, The Little Mermaid we used to have things like Creed where they're new characters spun off from a franchise and stand on their own merits.
There’s nothing wrong with her. What is sad, however, is a bunch of grown men whining about a strong female character as well as KK. You folks need to grow up and realize the world doesn’t owe you anything.
Phoebe Horseface 🐎 😂 People are tired of the blown out “overly strong masculine woman lead role that man hates and uses the sissified male supporting role as a punching bag’ movies. Bring back some movies with a guy so masculine he sweats out testosterone and actually approaches a woman (respectfully) with the intent he’s going to have her somehow, someway. And it’s okay if the woman is fragile and needs a savior. Lucky for her a man’s muscles and bone structure are built the way they are for a reason. That would be a winning formula for a box office smash!
You are exactly on point. Whether on characters like Marion Ravenwood as a strong female lead, versus the insufferable, entitled Fleabag. Besides that: in the end, Fleabag will never be Indy. Lara Croft isn’t Indy. She doesn’t need to be. National Treasure is not Indiana Jones. James Bond will never be female, like Nikita will never be male. It’s been said so many times before, but Hollywood needs to stop using fanbaiting as a business model (through cheap tricks like race- or gender swapping, for instance). Move on, create something fresh and original. Try doing some actual work for that paycheck, Hollywood.
KK LOVES Phoebe Waller-Bridge because she sees a younger version of herself. A woman who hates men and believes that she is entitled to so much more. KK feels the "patriarchy" has 'held her back' and now it's time for her to lord it over the males and openly deride them in her films. Like you said, a very small percentage of people actually want to see this. Most of the audience who loved Indiana Jones franchise did not want to see a tired old gloomy broken down version of Indy. But KK did it to Luke Skywalker, why wouldn't she DESTROY one of the last strong male action heroes she can get her hands on?
She clearly has this weird view that it's her "turn" to be in charge and it's time men handed over what they have made in the past so she can do what she wants with it. Tbh that's many of these feminist influenced womens mentality. It doesn't seem to bother or occur to them that men got that turn because they actually created those movies (or whatever) in the first place. What you see with Kennedy is female entitlment in action, men made a thing in the past therefore in her mind a woman like her is entitled to change it to what she wants now. Kennedy is emblematic of the larger feminist/gender equality movement and how it encourages and praises that kind of entitled narcassistic attitude in women like her. She probably always resented being talentless compared to Speilberg/Lucas and over time imagined herself to be their equal, which has probably only been spurred on by recent attitudes in society about women being opressed etc etc.
I thoroughly enjoyed your comparison of previous female leads in the franchise to Ms. Waller Bridge’s character, it’s something I haven’t seen anyone else touch on yet
