Injustice 1 Was a Real Video Game That People Played Competitively for Money 

ok thank you for making my day

amazing comment

It's the middle of the night and this made me burst out laughing, this is great

Lol injustice 1 is still soooo much more fun than MK11 and Slowjustice2 will ever be smh

@@MODERN-GAMING-IS-TRASH this is an actual who asked moment

That’s just accurate comics Superman got a new super power like every issue

@@Mr.Faust3 Remember in Final Crisis when Supes obliterated Darkseid's soul by singing at it using his superbreath? I didn't make that up. That shit actually happened lmao.

@@matrix3509 Final Crisis is GOATed though, I'll (almost) always rep Morrison though.

@@MugenHeadNinja Hell yeah

So this game is broken cuz Ed Boon has a child's wonder and imagination? Nrs games are starting to make sense to me lol

And as Doomsday player, the most true.

Peak Unga Bunga

What the hell is a combo?

Having just finished watching a bad horror video game, I agree. It's morbidly funny how both Doomsday didn't really need combos and how his stuff probably isn't even among the Top 10 most degenerate things about this game.

He had combos but you only use them when you punish someone. He did decent damage but most of the time Doomsday is using meter on ex shoulder.

Pig advantage

Pig diff

But if the pig is on the enemy's side that means Allah is on your side

Pig physics

Pig issue

Truly the Vietnam veterans of fighting games.

The amount of times I was on the ground wondering what the fuck just hit me was absurd.

@@nemoisnobody was too much of a noob to understand but I know now….mortal Kombat 9 is still more broken. Basically everything that was broken about this game was 10x worse in mk9

@@zzodysseuszz no ducking way, played both games and injustice is easily more broken than mk9

IMO the best balanced are the ones where each character has some specific OP tool, but also a noticable weakness. Too many OP tools you get injustice, marvel, etc where things can get really degenerate when optimized because of how absurd the tools are. But too little sauce and everyone is just samey and boring with little player expression to be had. Look at games like SSBM, 3rd strike, etc. All the top/high tiers have 1-2 things that are by all accounts relatively OP, and they play around that in a variety of ways depending on the player, matchup, etc, to make really interesting mixups and mind games around that specific strength while trying to compensate for their specific weakness.

I wouldn't even say that's an issue. The obvious solution is to have it be destroyed after 2 or 3 hits

They either need destroyed after use OR require a resource (such as meter) to use, and that's how you balance them out.

​@@crashb133or just make them optonial like smash

@@jd2792 They were optional

@@THECHI7LDUDE22Wait a minute so Did they just *not* disable it for tournaments/competitive??????

Oh yeah that was nuts I forgot about that

Allah won't be on your side

Well it’s because it was unblockable lol

My favorite thing to do would be to play Scorpion, use the pig and teleport behind the other person, punch punch kick and throw the pig again

​@@The_GavinatorTF bro you need to be banned 😂

Lmao

Same

I just played the single-player, I didn't really start playing with other people till Strive.

For me it was MK9 and while both games are insanely fucked up (IJ1 a bit more imo) I will say that at the very least it made every other fighting game I played feel tame in comparison. It made visiting old school games easier cause I was already experienced in playing horrifically unbalanced jank games and it made every other modern game feel so much more reasonable regardless of overall balance because whatever those games did wrong paled in comparion to the mistakes made in these 2 games. Would I go back to these games? Not without a remaster that patched some of the more glaring and obvious issues to make it at least a little more reasonable. Do I still love them? Absolutely!

Looking back at this, I was a fourteen year old kid. Im surprised i didnt rage quit because I was a Shazam main

Batman said this one’s for my parents and sinestro had literally no fucking idea what he was talking about

@@yeahey5947 sinestro was just on his way to see some strippers man

@@yeahey5947 I fucking love this comment LMFAO

The 'L' would be winning by itself, but they went the extra mile and also included a complementary neon arrow in the same color pointing right at the corner where you're no doubt being literally dumpstered over and over again.

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That is fucked up

@@Vartellas wonder woman was indeed very nasty

Lmao

I slashed your tires and you deserved it 🐍

@@rumbletown1563 why do you think I deserved it?

Being able to literally dumpster someone is almost worth it.

Baby’s first fighting game

That was the dumbest fucking thing I ever saw happen to a fighting game and made me lose respect for both NRS and its pro community. Scorpion was out like what, a week or two, and the only person seriously playing him was Perfect Legend. Tom Brady, everyone else, just cried and cried based off like a week of tech and mostly underwater delay based netplay that he was OP. So NRS nerfed the shit out of him right before a tournament. Coincidentally, he was also like the only character who didn't get dumpstered by Superman. Weirdly enough multiple people crying about him were Superman mains. Weirder weirdly enough the final at the following tournament was Superman v. Superman. Weirdest weirder weirdly enough the winner was someone who cried very loud for a Scorpion nerf. Weird huh. Made me gain a lot of respect Capcom's balancing philosophy of "here's the yearly patch, figure it out" and despise that NRS kneejerk bullshit.

Lol. And the crazy thing is that both were valid responses XD

Fucking teleport mix ups.

Never played NRS games at a higher level until 11. Curious to know How did they nerf injustice scorpion? I’m so glad in an early 11 patch they changed his teleport from a mid to a high that shit was busted early on.

@@k.emmanuel4611 It's been years, but I specifically remember his teleport becoming garbage along with a handful of smaller nerfs.

Batgirl having a instant crossup that went through you I alaways thought was pretty broke too although I never got too into the gane so maybe it wasn't actually super good but it looked broken

it's a wonderful mess

BA trait wasn't even THAT obnoxious (prolly worse for the free damage in IJ2 since you could trait MB roll for instant chip out at like 15% health left), but moreso that it was like +45 or some shit after 112. Or the instant air dive kick he had that was like +20 that hit their shins as an overhead. IJ1 had so much stuff that I both hate and miss. What a game.

@@sylascole5254 plus 45 :D

The moment when a fighting game feels more like a party game than a Smash game.

1: What does that prove (if this is a joke i apologize) 2: It's a party game that just so happens to have complex competitive skill ceilings.

smash is literally a party game

@@jaqf I literally did not ask

@@sunnydartz8697 I mean, you kinda asked for that reply -

@@ariannadravis3934 damn I must have dementia then

I didn't even play IJ back then and even then I heard about how unfair that matchup was.

He's talked about the matchup in the past but yeah. He also didn't bring up on-launch Superman but there's a satirical video on his channel about the Superman gameplan and it's nutty.

@@leithaziz2716 Honestly the games look fine until you watch Sugarpunches videos ranting about the animations and see all the crap he points out. That said, I still love NRS games. Simple inputs, simple combos, I don’t have to do weird ass motions for supers. It’s a fun time.

The truest 10-0 match up ever

@@Darkon2050 I'm happy you have a way to enjoy fighters, but I find that element inexcusable. If you view games through the lense of being art, animations are at the fore-front, and a company like NRS that makes tons of money that can't get animate competently for several games, while smaller companies like Arcsys put their all into it, well it looks really bad on NRS' part. You can even look at Multiversus for how to animate superheroes in a way that looks great! I love Batman's animations there. Edit: excuse some of my spelling here.

Yeah batgirl fixed the imbalance by being so rediciously imbalanced she made the other characters seem fair

Smoke MK9 may have been the template for Batgirl in theory (full screen teleport, other tools making him an anti-zoner).

Literally the you saved us scene from Megamind.

Yeah cuz NRS characters have no approach options

movement in NRS games is what's fucked.

I'm still shocked to this day NRS doesn't take feedback from some of the workarounds SF or GG use with projectiles. The most straightforward one being the projectile dissapearing if you hit the opponent, or a low-profiling move that goes under projectiles. Or most simple of all, a charge input that forces you to commit to holding back. You have 20 years worth of examples to use.

Nrs games just feel like shit idk what it is for me they’re just hella clunky

@@jreut09 nah people still cry about zoning in inj2 and dude I played Flash who has no projectiles and no good ranged mids.

Seriously who in the fuck gets hit with a dumpster 6 times and wakes up the next day wanting to still play that game lmfao

He was even more fucked up in Inj2 despite there not being anymore unblockable interactables.

OTG Dumpster is such a hilarious term

@@ShoTV OTG Dumpster can't get out

bruh im weak af LMAO

This is what you get when an entire community of players collectively disregard fair and constructive criticism. NRS games may be fun but boy they're unhinged when played competitively.

That basically killed IJ2 for a lot of people because the game was always absurdly skewed towards the zoners. I say that because I'm a fighting game player worth my salt and I started IJ2 trying to main Swamp Thing because I had a fuck you attitude before I eventually got smart and switched to a slightly more viable character in Cheetah. The Swamp Thing experience was absolutely rough and that's before he got the buffs they gave him. You just literally couldn't deal with projectiles the character had no point. It was weird how underdesigned ST was and then to have to deal with the absurd zoners in IJ2 it was such a demoralizing experience.

Zoning was so tame in IJ2 compared to 1 it ain't even funny. MB roll, average walk speed was like doubled, FTD got hit (took a bit too long for that but eh), DS was gutted, the only real problem characters were like Starfire and Fate when it came to zoning by the end of the game's lifespan. Most projectiles were duckable highs with MB mid extensions that were like +7 or 8 at most (barring like supes heat vision, which was jumpable). I can't tell which people hate more, walking and blocking in injustice, or blocking on wakeup in strive lol

​@@jackcoleman1784I took out zoners Casually with Batman. Use the dodge roll. It's there for a reason.

@@Kn1ghtborne Batman is and was way more kitted out than Swamp Thing. Being kitted out is almost Batmans thing. He's the Ryu/Scorpion of the game. Doesn't excel in a lot of matchups but is decent across the board and can be used to a degree against anyone. Not top tier but not bottom tier either. Batman also has his own zoning tools. They aren't the best in the game but they're there and one of the better ways to deal with zoning in IJ2 is with your own zoning. Also the MB roll is pretty situational. Do it wrong or predictably and you get punished. Which means you can't use it as often as you like even with the fact that it costs meter. It's really only good against spammers, n00bs, or the occasional unpredicted roll when you have a read because anyone that zones intelligently with any decent patterns is going to bait and punish someone looking to use a roll. Swamp Thing is probably the most underdesigned character Netherrealm has ever made it was clear he literally was just not finished when the game shipped. His main strategies were basically mid range normals, up close grapple, with a smidge of ranged grapple. Vanilla ST IIRC has no plus moves aside from his forward 3 and his standing 2 which has a startup of like 30 frames and is his only starting overhead. So you can't use it all the time and have to at least mildly condition to use it at all. They eventually gave him some armor on some moves and plus frames to MB refoliation which helped but he was still bottom tier by far and got ate up by most zoners. That's why I picked up Cheetah and had a much better time. Plus Swampy didn't really have combos which just isn't very fun. I still played the fuck out of ST but it was always rough. A lot of people myself included think the game would have been better if you weren't able to build meter off of ranged projectiles or at least most ranged projectiles.

Exactly what I've been saying for years. These new players don't know how good they have it.

@@kinetic_balding4051 😂they don't know hard times

In GGST’s defense they literally balanced the game by saying “If everyone’s broken then no one can broken”

@@kinetic_balding4051bro unless you played fighting games in the arcades then you are a modern player 😂😂😂

@@hands-ongaming7180 Not really. Fighting games and the community itself have changed a lot in the past 10 years. A modern player in my eyes is someone who started around the time sf5/tekken 7/dbfz came out because all of the trends you see now started around that time. The standard for what was considered broken lowered tremendously but during the sf4 boom and even before sf4, the standard didn't really change that much. So nowadays you got a bunch of new players that will call something broken but to many older players, it's just a minor inconvenience

He had a high skill gap too, I remember good grundys would dash tf out of you and kept doing the same grapple combo every time with limited variation.

UF da K2

There's only a few of us left. I do miss Billy, shame he didn't make it back in 2, here's hoping for IJ3.

@@sylascole5254 i was about to say “isn’t Billy dead” but also that did not stop the Joker from showing up in IJ2 by any means

I played Injustice.

@@nicholasyoakum1439 Who's to say? I mean I certainly can't Just trust your word on that one :D

I mostly stopped playing it because it kept crashing and freezing. When you actually get into a fine game, the game does well but once it so glitchy and buggy, it's just unplayable.

I did mainly because he was my favorite superhero lol

Bro I didn't even know how to play the game well. And I felt like a true god 😂

Because it makes it harder to read lmao, Inj1 truly is a party game.

@@ArpeggioPegasusMusic It's definitely a busted asf game. But you gotta check your eyes if you think it's hard to read the life bars.

@@ArpeggioPegasusMusic There was so much insane tech and out playing the enemy where it is definitely not a party game compared to its counterparts. Yeah some shit was so fucking overpowered like batgirls infamous teleporting cheap ass traps and Superman’s busted abilities. But the fact that there’s ways around that is insane if you’re good enough.

No hits feel intense in NRS games.

@@cm9241 You need a girlfriend.

They did not have issues. They had strong features which other fighting game did not have. Injustice has the best “zoning” characters, which in my opinion were underpowered for a fighting game. It is a shame people don’t like all the great features that injustice had. Humanity is often weak

​@@kingol4801Strong features like the dumpster?

He really isn't, but it's a matter of perspective at the end of the day. Most people who super-complain about HC have never dealt with the way-worse HORRORS that came before him in fighting games. And I'm not even talking about shit like PetShop or Super Turbo 2 Akuma.

O.Of! (many) shots fired!

I think in the context of strive HC is pretty rough tho. Even coming from older guilty gears your options are more limited. Coming from more modern games you’re not used to oppressive zoning. Coming from non-anime fighters you’re not used to incredibly varied and long pressure strings (in a game where everyone lost all their longer interesting gatlings).

@@otorinthuzoth8624 you brought up two banned characters in comparison to happy chaos…… that alone shows how dumb happy chaos is

Zoning in NRS was always horrible since fireballs don't clash with each other

The balance around projectiles and zoning has always felt amateurish with NRS games. You could make that argument for a lot of archetypes in NRS games in all honesty.

What's worse than Injustice 1?

I'm the same. Started off playing NRS, then after being frustrated with different elements, I branched off to Tekken and then GG. I didnt stick for long with Tekken, but I fell in love with the latter. Allthough I feel I became a NRS hater and went overboard. More often than not, I tend to look at positives first and defend something that I know some people like, but I dunno. I feel like there's some crap people shouldn't defend about these games or particular issues people sweep under the rug. Animations, music, lack of balance around many archetypes, etc. I rarely get angry at games, but NRS is a strange exception.

@@leithaziz2716 they just refuse to improve in a lot of aspects, which is ridiculous when there are so many examples from other studios of how to do it right.

zoning is only really bad in it injustice, mk is a lot more balanced w zoners never being super busted outside mk9 maybe but everybody in that game was silly

Sounds like a skill issue

​@@nrsgoldranger8140It is a skill issue

I couldn't get into injustice 2 because grundy wasn't there😂

The "characters looking small" may be a thing about framing and posing. A strong framing and key-poses instills a presence onscreen if that makes sense, but NRS characters tend to blend in with the background in some games, either because of a lack of interesting figure that draws your eyes unto them, or sometimes colors being washed off.

NRS games seem to consistently struggle with making characters stand out from the backgrounds and give them strong key poses to improve readability. I was playing SFV yesterday and even though we can all agree that the 3D models in this game look like shit, overall the character design and animation are great. I wonder why NRS keeps getting that wrong when hundreds of fighting games have been doing it right, even the crazier ones like BBCF.

​@@ArpeggioPegasusMusic Because NRS never graduated from overrelying on mocap. Other 3D FGs also utilise mocap but the animators still have to tweak it to make it look good and readable amidst the chaos. NRS' approach is often to just speed up the mocap to fit the frame data without actually bothering to create strong keyposes. Or to study actual martial arts. Most notably the footwork is glaringly bad across the board. That's why we get so many examples of fence punching or kicks that don't bend the knee.

@@SkallvaHey I know those talking points. ABI.