Inside A Chinese EV Graveyard - Uncovering The Truth In Person 

I believe in the truth where I can find it so this was too good a chance to miss as it's not far from Shanghai. Honestly I wanted to see if it was really true or not, and of course some is and some isn't. But we're here, not in South Africa making videos with negative intentions, so I can go see for real.

If there is a profit to be made, rest assured that someboody is good to it.

@@joem0088 yea unfortunately there will always be a ton of money to be made in spreading false information and hatred.

@@MAR771N Yes, but I wasn't refering to the click bait business. I was thinking of the business of refurbishing these parked cars into some kind of use. Someone who figures out the way will make a profit.

@@joem0088 ah okay i misunderstood. Hopefully someone will come up with a solution quickly then since it might be too late if they wait too long.

There's very few of us left mate. Still hoping one day the tide will turn and ordinary will enter the conversation again.

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😆 @BobBogaert's profile pic Of course y'all simpin , you got that yellow fever 💀

Good to hear true facts.

​@@InsideChinaAutoHow much are you getting pay by the CCP to regurgitate their propaganda? I have seen hundreds of other brand new cars sitting in fields. Did you know that Chinese car manufacturers are counting sale to dealership as an actual sale? Please do your homework my guy.

As true today as it was then. More so even with the Internet.

That is true unfortunately. Coincidentally, the biggest perpetrator of this most recent China junkyard fiasco lie is also named "Winston".

This is the best comment to CCP propaganda video. +1

Reminds me of an old saying, I think it goes "Liar, Liar, Pants on Backwards" or something like that.

@@BioniqBob I think you mean "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." In this case i have provided what we all know to be truth, and some are pretending like they don't know.

You're welcome.

Thank you. If chance comes, I'll do more again.

​@@InsideChinaAuto🎉🎉🎉

@@InsideChinaAutobut you don't have Chinese passport😂

@@matpk Why do I need one?

Indeed they did. I genuinely wanted to know too so I went to find out.

You can sleep at night now! Lol

Did you. This is his version of the truth, absolutely nothing to prove this is correct.

On a lovely sunny day the car dump looks almost picturesque! I wonder if anyone has thought of making it into a tourist site?

ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....

I was curious too, wasn't sure what to expect when I got there, but it wasn't exactly as stated and the original piece lacked context.

Corruption is fairly common in China, not sure if the video you saw was the same as the one I did but the ones I saw were clearly new. The truth is not so clear, more than likely there are a mix of new vehicles and those from ex car share schemes. The CCP were heavily subsidising "new energy vehicles", usually when any government do these special schemes they get abused by crooks making a fast buck, this is the reality of the world we live in. China historically had limits on the age of vehicles (same as Japan) this was not good for the environment as perfectly good serviceable vehicles got scrapped ( dumped in fields).

​@@ianlouden7939brainless bot trying hard to cope. You want us to believe your biases over someone who went to the ground to verify. Lmaoooo . It shows just how difficult it is to unlearn propaganda and biases.

@@SuperiorNatoDoctrine its been reported on from a number of sources, why is this one 100% correct but others are not?

Look up who sponsors Inside China Auto and tell me this is a 100% independent factual report! My original comment was giving the benefit of the doubt to this report but now I am pretty sure these cars are new, making a car look old by throwing a drink bottle and a few leaves into a car doesn't mean it's old. The thousands of cars in the distance could be anything, they are too far away to tell what they are. As the CCP don't like any negative news getting out I will assume this video is NOT factual.

Indeed it isn't. The news is when someone counters it with facts because facts are in short supply these days.

Hey no worries mate. Glad you enjoyed it.

Yeah, that's a lot of unsold Toyota cars.

Things I only discovered when I got there. I'm not sure the VWs are imports, they make those models here, but the Audis, Toyotas and Hondas I'm not so sure. I'll have to check. Only way to see what's real is to go see. Luckily I had the chance and it's open for anyone to go in.

@@InsideChinaAuto It is hilarious all those sensationalist videos with ominous music about "things the CCP DON"T want you to know about this massive auto graveyard!!!!". Meanwhile the Chinese government probably has no idea about this place, and even a random white dude like you can just roll up and stroll right in!

Bz4x is a bad EV.

Almost as if its set up

Walked, well drove, straight in. I was surprised too, I really thought it would be a hole in the fence job.

CCP don’t just employ Chinese 🤫

@@dontwastetimetoday493 That's because in China, you can leave it unattended and it won't get stolen, in US, it's ripe for the taking.

Can only say good luck with that. You'll be hoping for a long time.

@@InsideChinaAuto You are right. That man has no honour or respect for truth.

Of course. They don't make headlines though, eh?

I remember visiting relatives in America in the mid-80s, and my uncle took me to a car auction where honestly in any direction, field after field, there were cars for sale. Some were Porsche some were local American but every single car of every value you could imagine as far as the eye could see

I've worked at the auctions in Dallas, cars was constantly being cycled and besides some of the repo cars, could move under their own power.

@@InsideChinaAuto Because they are common knowledge. This is not about denial of car graveyards,but about the untruths posted about this specific one.

Yes but they don't have lithium ion batteries in them and there are auto Wreckers along with car crushers in place to recycle all of those ICE vehicles 🤔

Glad you appreciate it mate.

No problem David. Thanks for the lovely comment.

I'd love to believe we have what it takes as a society to have a reasoned conversation on that exact subject but my faith in our collective humanity perished long ago.

But in regards to waste management, the conclusion of the other videos are correct. These outdated BEVs are not going to be recycled . This is the Modus Operandi of China - take an idea that makes short-term profits, mass produce that commodity, abuse trade relations to push out competitors, nationalize industry, go bust, repeat, with no regards to the environmental impact.

These stuff is everywhere and its even worst in other places like US and Japan ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RF93asGV9ro.html

Haha, very much appreciate those comments. Thank you.

Written like a classic wumao. Lmao 'hey mark, I did watch the vid' Sure bro.....that's exactly how we talk 🤣😂 Jaw-dropped news right?

​@@ohsnapsonbro4260so u agree he WU ur MA in her 0 So prove him wrong. 😂😂

​@@ohsnapsonbro4260everyone is a native English speaker right? 😂 Take your meds lil bro

@@dexorne9753 yeah neither am I. Still.... Jaw-dropped news right? Wumao much bud?

No worries Chris. I was in the area for filming and curious myself, seemed only logical to go take a look.

As so many are these days. Apparently it makes money.

No problem Mike. I had the chance to go find this place after somebody mentioned it, I hunted it on Baidu Maps, and went to see for myself. I too was curious.

No problem mate

No problem.

Sometimes you have to just go and see things in person.

Cheers Nas. We are indeed a divided world, we don't often listen to each other enough. My part here is tiny but it's what I had a chance to do.

I've seen that a few times in CA. Way out in the middle of the desert. Although there might be an Airforce base nearby, I really can't remember.

That's probably the same scrap yard that crushed the EV1s...

@@toyotaprius79 I think maybe the post above is referring to an airplane graveyard near Victorville, Ca. But the EV1 was sent to the GM proving grounds, which is in Arizona, near Yuma. If you were coming from or going to Nevada, you probably would not go through Yuma, which is next to the Mexican border and pretty far from the Nevada border.

Shouldn't it be Chinese that come forward and share their stories? Oh wait, the CCP blocks their citizens from accessing the outside world thru The Great Firewall 🤔 So yeah, all I ever see is the uncensored horrors of China because that's the only leaks that aren't curated China State media propaganda of CGTN or Global Times

You're welcome.

Veracity is usually a tool that's used to make up for any real facts, it's just bluster. I have an old Mini and that is genuinely rotting away at the back of my Dad's field so I know what rotting looks like. These definitely aren't yet, but in time they will if not disposed of properly.

Indeed. The vast majority are from bust companies that tried something that didn't work. Once bust, presumably assets get seized and need dealing with. As of yet, if seems most haven't been dealt with, likely because it's not economical to do anything with them. Eventually it will have to be sorted though, at the very least having the batteries removed.

@@InsideChinaAuto The tradition with failed Chinese goods is to dump them in Africa at low prices.

@steveblomefield9513 Quite possibly. Don't know enough about that to comment though I do feel bad if these are the cars they're getting. The Neta Vs wouldn't be so bad, they're basic but OK and relatively recent, but the BJEVs not so much.

@@InsideChinaAuto Whenever there are new technologies, there is usually a craze of new companies that are startups. In Chine there were 500 EV companies. Now most of them go bust, some of them are merged with other companies and fade from history. After 40 years only a handful of companies remain that have all the patents and have a known trusted brand. The surviving companies have created deflation, where they are able to mass market their product at cheaper prices [lower prices, razor thin prices, bring a greater volume of buyers, creating greater .volume of profits]. This creates deflation. We see this with tesla who, because of greater volume of slues is able to lower prices but yet have incredible profits because of greater volumes. They also get brand recognition. Thus customers desert other companies and rush to the cheaper, better tesla. Because of greater profits, tesla is able to manufacture more charging stations, have better electronics, have better software, learns more manufacturing lessons, improves manufacturing methods , all the while getting better and better. Other companies get left behind and go bust. There is nothing wrong with seeing a field of 5000 unsold cars. It is normal with new technology. In my day there were 500 computer manufacturing startups. Now there are only a handful, but the ones we have have razor thin margins but greater profits. Today we have AI startups, a veritable fleas nest of startups. They will be merged with other companies and only a few will remain. Having 490 causalities is normative and there is no shame in that.

... and they all have active license plates. No one scraps a car with the plate, you keep the plate with you because getting a plate alone can be very difficult in the large cities.

gotta be crazy to believe any of this yea. China is dumping EV's.

Haha. Can you imagine? The nerve of it.

​@@transformerstuff7029why don't u prove it. Should be easy for u Name of the field ? Car model ? Company name ?

@@JonySmith-bb4gx oh you can still see my comment? that is impressive. I can't even see it anymore......insidechinaauto deleted it......or something...

​@@JonySmith-bb4gxyeah right. When I saw this account name Inside China Auto, not sure he tell the truth

Because misinformation and extreme agendas pay sadly.

Haha, just a guy with a camera and some actual knowledge of this stuff. He was right on the car sharing cars but given he's been out the country a while now, he could never understand why those old cars have no route back to usefulness or ownership.

@@InsideChinaAutoBut you don't have Chinese passport😂

@@matpk And then?

I mean that guy's entire channel is clickbait. You scroll back far enough and you'll see when he tried his hand at honest vlogging about life in China, going out all day, editing down all that footage, just to accumulate 50k views over years. Now he can pull some video/pics from the internet, loop it on a green screen behind him, barf out some "China bad" script, and get maybe as many as a million clicks in as little as a week, then just rinse and repeat the next week. Unsurprisingly he's gonna stick with this new business model.

@@tren133yep I saw his channel and my first reaction was “meh this guy is untrustworthy “

Without a doubt you can. Obviously he does try to convince people by trying to make out that it's concern and the environment and he really tries hard to give a semblance of rationality but some of the claims are outright lies, like the more than 10,000 number. I just went to see how real those numbers were.

@@InsideChinaAuto the numbers are over exaggerated and his motives are clear

@cocoaiscool2709 Definitely. There's no doubting that. It's a business model and it works for him, rightly or wrongly.

I don't advertise disinformation channels.

@@InsideChinaAuto let us decide what disinformation is, we are not in CCP.

@Dim.X Feel free, but that's exactly the point. Not only are you not in CCP, you're not in China, and neither is your overlord. He's welcome to go check it out himself and prove me wrong but he won't, because he relies on suckers like you for the juicy clicks and makes a pretty good living out of it too. Of course I haven't seen many of his videos about the border issues or fentanyl streets in the US where he now lives. I wonder why not.

@@InsideChinaAuto Overlord? Who are you talking about? 🤷‍♂️ why are you so defensive anyway? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AynNsPs9i80.htmlsi=TgB-ZMfyFGv0B5Gp

@@Dim.X Who's being defensive? Is a statement of facts defensive? Living up to your handle at this point.

Basically right, yes, though I'm not sure what subsidies were being given out for car sharing schemes, if any, they'd be more likely for sales of cars but I'm not an expert on what subsidies there are/were. Clearly if there ever were, there aren't any anymore because nobody is rushing into this space. Bear in mind most people got into the 'sharing' game not for money but for the value of the data. Knowing where people go and when is big business if done right.

Thank you very much, I'm glad you like the content. And yeah, it is sad to see this. Hopefully they get recycled.

It may happen elsewhere, but in China pollution and environmental negligence is on a whole different scale than anywhere else. You're dreaming if you think China will do the environmentally responsible thing. It's only about short term profits and flashy projects to entice investors. See the Tofu Dreg Real Estate projects flooding and crumbling apart . I hope I never see a Chinese vehicle in my country, especially any of their shoddy EV knockoff brands that have flooded the market and will be abandoned in a matter of months/years.

@@Metapharsical brainwashed sheep detected! You should stop watching greyed out and dimmed video about China à la western media

ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....

Honestly, I think they probably would. I didn't have time to go around asking people, had a car to film for the day, but I'd go back.

Cheers. Super basic video this. I promised I'd make it so I did but my bread and butter is the car reviews, didn't really have the time to make this as decent as it could have been. Just sticking to the facts.

@@InsideChinaAuto can't go wrong with that recipe

Tell me about it.

No worries. Somebody should.

Will see what opportunities come about in future. Thanks for watching.

No problem.

No problem. This is just one location, I can't apply the results to other places, but I wanted to see it for myself because I didn't believe Neta needed to falsely register cars so I went to find out.

Are you sure you are not being suckered in again?

No worries mate. It's easy to do. Some of what he said was right but lacking in context but the 10,000 Neta Vs part was way way off.

Ooh, we've caught a live one Geoff.

@@wafudave6041 go back to SerpentZA

That would be a good solution.

You're welcome.

Ironically their video says China is the "country of shortcuts and facades". The only shortcuts here are the ones they're taking to fact-finding.

Pause the video. Count the cars, you'll soon learn the video is filled with lies. Enjoy. Well used cars he says..... doesn't show actual wear on the cars or their mileage. 🤣

@@ohsnapsonbro4260 So, then teach me, just list the lies you have encountered.

No worries Ronald.

@@ohsnapsonbro4260 so your proof ?

@@ronalddolman2654 you can't read?

Cheers Olaf. Let's see what can be investigated that fits in around my reviews. Barely had time to make this to be honest, I've got a bunch of car reviews waiting for me to edit.

Cheers Steve.

I wasn't able to see but I suspect the batteries are still attached. The VWs Audis and Toyotas will get sold eventually but they're not popular so it'll take some time.

You're welcome

You're welcome. I'm curious myself what will happen to them. Might go check on them again next time I'm in Hangzhou.

No problem.

Glad you found us mate and glad you like the videos. Neta has been like watching evolution in real time. Their first V was so bad, almost made from aftermarket parts, but what they're making now is lightyears better.

Cheers Jacob.

You're welcome. Had to go see it for myself.

No problem.

I'll see what I can do. I don't mind ICE or EV, I do both if they're compelling enough.

If the car is good then there are people who want to buy them. If the car is crap then its vallue will drop too 0.

I am afraid this is nothing new when I was in America in the mid-80s, I would go to vehicle auctions that would be thousands upon thousands of vehicles of all kinds strewn across many fields. Some of them were insurance right off, and some of them were brand-new. (as far as I could tell anyway.) of every kind make and value.

My thoughts exactly, "zakelwe". Still very disturbing to see these just parked up and no effort to recycle or reuse - at least for the batteries. Tells me we don't know how to recycle used/obsolete batteries yet. Not good for the strip mining operations going on around the world. What an utter waste. Shame.

1. As in bankruptcy sales the world over, they’ll go to auction. Some might get a second life as a learner vehicle etc, but the overwhelmingly vast majority will be bought by recycle and scrap merchants. China is one of a handful of countries that recycle lithium EV batteries - I don’t think any western countries recycle batteries more than a token amount. 2. We’re going to see EV car parks growing all over the world - it’s not an especially Chinese problem. Lithium batteries are a major environmental and safety problem because they burn like a flame thrower and emit lethal skin burning fumes - check out videos of burning EV cars after a car crash for some examples.

There are more of them though I'm not sure how many. Some are in the original video, No Place To Place 2, though they seem to be smaller than this and have the really really crap cars in them. Honestly the issue is not the EV part, it's the car itself. The cars in these parks, not the Neta so much as its newer, but the others were the cheapest, crappiest cars they could be, and the Chinese car industry has just gotten so much better in the last 5 years, so much more value, 100x better infotainment and interiors, the competition (there's about 70 Chinese brands) is intense so you snooze you die. The EV part of these cars is probably what an early Nissan Leaf is in Europe, but the interior is like what an original Mini is to a new one. Nobody will want them, they're not economical to fix and sell, so as one guy said, you have to hope the batteries get recycled and the cars scrapped at some point.

I'm sure it is but I'd have to find who owns them and what exactly is happening with them. I'm planning to go back one day to see what more I can find out then see what we're looking at.

​@@InsideChinaAuto It would be great if these EVs could be purchased. If they are in working condition, I am interested in purchasing these EVs. If you're interested, we can work together on this, which would be advantageous for both of us.

@@prateekjain393 Will see what I can find out. I'm in Hangzhou soon, will see what I can do.

Thank you.

You're welcome David.

Thank you. It's a lousy video production wise, not half beautiful like my others, but it says what was there.

@@InsideChinaAuto well, that's what I was after 👍

Indeed. There's a lot of lies out there. Trust people on the ground.

They are. We need to get a lot better at this because we're making too much, 100%.

Not just car driven mind but truck driven mind.

@@InsideChinaAuto Oh yes... the allmighty F150 and brothers... ;-(

Glad you liked it. If opportunities come, I'll take them on.

​@@InsideChinaAutoI'm sure there's more white monkey jobs in your future if you don't criticize the CCP 👍 They're gonna need all the PR help they can get when they invade Taiwan

Exactly. They all likely work quite well. They're not as good as modern cars but some people still drive these in more rural areas and city outskirts.

No problem mate.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect one either. As has been said recently, EVs have become the new culture war (as if we don't already have enough), it's extreme opinions or nothing. These cars are a waste here no doubt but it's the cars themselves that are the problem, not the EV part, because they were cheap and crap and now you can get cheap, better, and new.

That they should. Make something useful out of them.

There is a gate, or more a barrier. You pull up, number plate is automatically taken, it opens, you drive in. There was a security guard in the booth next to the gate though so not 100% certain if it's paid or just based on him looking at you and checking you're good then letting you in/out, but I had no issue..

And apart from the new cars from the foreign brands, none of these cars were new.

It's not so much an issue of the EV, just that China moved on at an unprecedented speed and these cars just cannot compete anymore, rendering them worthless at least in China.

Or at least do some investigating. If it sounds insane, chances are it at least isn't quite as bad as it sounds or inaccurate.

Imagine they're all discharged and have been there a while and none of them have yet. Or watch the video, then you don't have to imagine.

@@InsideChinaAuto Discharge or not, I don't think it makes a diference. The lithium is there. And you probably have seen a lithium batterie catching fire, its a pretty show. Now imagine all those cars igniting one by one. It would burn for a week or more.

@pnvgordinho I think it does, because these batteries don't simply combust when there's no charge in them. There's nothing to cause thermal runaway without a spark or a trigger. It's just inert material.

Hmm. Might think twice if you see one and check out the specs.

The figures refer to the Neta V models, which the other video claims are 'more than 10,000' in number. There are only 146 of those, and they're not new. The car there is loads of is the BJEV EC3 and I explain that he's right about those being failed car sharing ventures.

@@InsideChinaAuto and how many fields of abandoned EVs are there in china?

@@leedavies76 who's they? I don't trust tesla either. you will own nothing and you will be happy.

Thank you very much.

Indeed, and all of Shenzhen went there already, with their buses too. Every single one went electric.

Well a) I actually went there and recorded the footage b) I worked in mobility at the time and lived in China as it happened so am acutely well placed to tell you about the industry trends and what works and doesn't. If you don't want to believe me and prefer to base your reality on unsubstantiated ten second clips from somebody who has never been to the site, no longer lives in China, and never worked in mobility, I can't much help you, but I can guide you to Bloomberg who essentially reported exactly the same as I did verbatim, I can guide you to search for car2go and find the history of their locations (used to be many, now not so much) to see how difficult it was even for a foreign company in the West, let alone China, or you can buy a plane ticket and come check for yourself. Just go through the gate as I did, you won't get stopped, take a look. I was as sceptical as you, which is why I went to see first hand for myself rather than making misrepresentative videos based on zero actual knowledge or proof.

Prove otherwise . Waiting

Wait for the report on the report 😢

I'm sure it will. I haven't watched his other stuff but I've seen the thumbnails here and there and they tell you all you need to know.

Couldn't sound like more of a CCP shill if you tried

ok...ok....China ev collapsed already.....there are at least hundreds of ev graveyards of this size everywhere in China cities....... you be happy and go celebrate and treat yourself to a good meal....

Sadly, that same RU-vidr pulls in millions of views. As such, he's likely funded by the US State Department as many popular media assets get compensated extremely well for pushing US propaganda.

The voices in Tim's head are at it again.

There were plenty of ID.3s there, I didn't see any i-Paces though. They are unregistered but not forever, they will get sold eventually, but they're not selling fast.

Thank you. Just giving a chance to show what it was like on the ground.

Glad you liked it. I try to keep balance in all that I do and have a desire to see both sides where I can.

Thanks Daniel. Balance is what I strive to achieve. A few very of us still stick to journalistic values, at least the ones journalists are supposed to have.

No problem. I was lucky to see somebody's tip on the location and it's close enough to go check out.

You're welcome.

Yeah, "choose one" 🤣 Actually Hybrids most dangerous?

If they're fully discharged they're likely to be fine for the time being.

@@InsideChinaAutoI hope they aren't fully discharged because if they are, or if they self discharge too much then all the batteries will be scrap.

It is. If you could rip the interior out and maybe add fast charging capability they'd still be OK but bear in mind these are effectively rental cars, they're going to be bare bones, tiny screens, switch blanks, etc. Who will want that when you've got cheaper new cars with fast charging, pano roofs, big centre screen with loads of connectivity?

@@InsideChinaAuto agreed. The governments should tax more on new cars to force old cars to be used properly. Shameful to see these cars rotting. So bad for the planet and our limited resources.

​@@cp4512taxing new cars won't go down well with car companies and their workers. Unions would be mad.

@@موسى_7 agreed. I guess it shows if governments care more about money or the climate with their tax policies, and what their scientific experts really think…….

You're welcome.

You're welcome.

He's making coin though, it's just the way he's doing it I'd question.

I used to work in mobility back in the day so had access to a lot of the information, plus you could see a lot with your eyes developing in front of you on the streets.

Thanks again, I liked your effort so much that I faithfully subscribed to the channel

@@isrark3 Much appreciated. I'll strive to keep serving good stuff on various topics.

There are hundreds, and there are more sites, filled with cars that were flaky when new and even more so now. Recycling what can be recycled is the only option as the cars are not up to the latest standards of EVs or even cars in general.

Thank you. Yes, and that's exactly why I was curious to see how much truth there was to this story.

You're welcome Mike.

Yeah this video is definitely not true.

@ohsnapsonbro4260 I've shown my proof, where's yours?

@@InsideChinaAuto why not answer coward? You dislike logic and fact?

@@InsideChinaAuto why didn't you show the mileage or all that wear from being well used?

That's the issue, because EVs are developing fast currently, they had no investment for 100 years, now they have it all. There will be waste in early years, or at least leftovers cast aside, but from what I understand, batteries can be fully recycled so if these old triangles can be reshaped into squares, there's hope yet.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much