Inside Georgia’s Surrogacy Boom 

not wrong, but wouldn't you do the same in other things?

You could say the same about working fast food.

Surrogacy is wrong period, whether it's for money or not.

​@@cocoknowsyou idiot? Fast food is just a job, this is messed up.

@@cocoknows you can justify everything that way, peak Capitalism. also, I don't know where you live, but in France, working at a fast food have far less consequences on health etc than carrying a baby.

@@vodkaboy That’s what I am trying to say, Surrogacy isn’t the problem, it’s capitalism. If women and AFAB people had security they wouldn’t feel that this was necessary. Then only people wanted to do this for altruistic reasons would do it.

Always kinda been a thing. It's a taboo

you are a psychopath yourself but the with to have children is absolutely normal. surrogacy is needed to help millions!

It depends what country you compare to. For Georgia it's good money. More than 2 average incomes.

Value of money is relative. It could be exploitative because some of these women have no other option but its not exploitative because of the money.

not a single person has forced them to do it. fully their choice

so average month income in georgia is around 300$( 200 outside capital) and there is not many jobs in villages. so u count if its exploitation or not

@@toxicdubz3841 I always wonder how much money the life of people stating such absurdities is really worth. In a lot of places probably less than 1000€.

Why do u watch and comment in this fake channel 😂😅

You're here too ❤️ it's fate ❤️❤️❤️

​@@JustinYiseverywherefake channel? bro you don't need vice to just report on this, the surrogacy issues of richer nations going to poorer nations is well known for the predatory practices.

Those children are like designer products which are "sold" to their parents. If a product is defective, the customer can reject it.

No one abandoned their babies it just became extremely hard to get into Ukraine to get them. Not to mention getting the proper legal documents to get them out of Ukraine and back into their home countries. They all eventually got their babies but it took some longer than others not for lack of trying. When covid hit Ukraine shut its borders and the same thing happened. I actually know a couple who flew into Minsk and took a taxi to the border then crossed over illegally into Ukraine to be able to get to their baby.

Think that's why they're being paid up to 3x more than their average annual salary. Their cost of living is much lower than the US & 10k-20k is significant compared to the $6.5k female professionals earn there, annually. Surrogates out-earn ppl living pay check to pay check

+ recovery and emotional baggage.

10 months actually

It's actually lifelong. You never stop being a mother of the person God formed and then carried inside you. These women will be psychologically damaged in some way forever whether they realize it or not. Sad.

Living paycheck to paycheck is still a severe issue regardless

I agree with you. Adopt, don't shop!! Sending you good vibes 💝

OFC,Yea DNA is not from surrogat mother but shes blood is intro your blood...omg whole pharmacy sistem is lie and depends on money.A lot of researches shows how can impact mothers pregnancy period on child...Stay hard .

Adoption is not as easy as it seems. It takes many, many years and costs a fortune. It's also not fair to say that people who are infertile should adopt whereas those that aren't infertile are allowed to reproduce. It is a personal choice.

I'm unsure why people feel the urge to have biological offspring but I know adoption is not easy at all

@@jj-bv3ui "It takes many, many years and costs a fortune" Wow, you mean just like surrogacy and IVF? 😃

You name the price

my thoughts exactly.

Absolutely this point got me feel uncomfortable

I don't know about her bias, but she sure did show her ignorance. If she is unaware of how blatantly immoral this whole industry is...she needs an education. God, please, help this woman's eyes to open.

@@swisschalet1658 💯

truth

I'm going to hell for laughing at this.

Georgia 🇬🇪 is Asian not European

@@JustinYiseverywhere It's both

It just shows how selfish people are in general. People expect help when their own kid has a problem but have no problem not helping other kids.

@@reformedstoicsuperfan3188 better that way, I lived in one and was a nightmare, do you any idea how much abuse that goes on in foster family and once there you won't get away because social services will do anything in their power to cover down they done wrong, you be taking to healthcare and be label with mental issue instead, people never help if not in something for themselves, people who adopt children abuse them

It's because young parents are struggling to afford the cost of living (at least in the UK) mortgages/rent is so high and we are paid such little to cover this. Petrol and heating bills have gone up massively to the point where most people can't afford to cope. Which is why people wait until in their 30s. Trust me, you have enough energy when you're in your 30s! It's totally! Better to have enough money to get by for the child, you're not too old at that age.

Tell that to Al Pacino!

@@aurora6920 I understand the plight of those in their 30s. It’s the 50+ with infants that are concerning. And women, all of us become PERImenopausal at 35 yrs of age, irrelevant of when the actual periods stop.

​@@ArtU4All lies. Some women have menopausal at 62 or 57 like my mother.

@@holyempressw8531 You missed the message. Yes there are women, I have known one, that stop menstruating at 65, e.g. 35 is PERImenopause. It’s the same for all females. Give or take a year. You can’t argue with Nature. She always wins 🌱🌿🌦🌳☺️

Probably many cannot afford the cost in their local country and thats why they turn abroad.

It is illegal in many countries.

I am doing surrogacy and we are forced to go abroad because it’s not possible in our home countries.

@@amyriddell3092 just wondering. Are you worried about something happening to your child without you being close by? I’m trying to understand the logistics of not being close by for the 9 months of pregnancy. Do you plan to live out there for a few months before the birth?

All in? People literally suffer, this is messed up, anybody with normal brain can understand this. But some people just want to be hype and modern, so they are ok with crazy stuff like this.

It feels very awful.I am from georgia and this legalized crime.Georgian as a sociaty is failed.

I agree absolutely with adoption, it is better for the world. But unfortunately there isn’t research to support your statement regarding the stress involved to the child. Try reading Madden - Medicine, Ethics & the Law (4th edition). It is quite comprehensive and goes into great detail on the topics, all backed up by reputable sources.

I agree absolutely with adoption, it is better for the world. But unfortunately there isn’t research to support your statement regarding the stress involved to the child. Try reading Madden - Medicine, Ethics & the Law (4th edition). It is quite comprehensive and goes into great detail on the topics, all backed up by reputable sources.

By that same logic, foster care should be illegal as well. Secondly, adoption is not always ethical either. Some international adoption agencies are connected to shady practices, deception of the child’s real parents, and trafficking.

Georgia is a second world country, it's not exactly 3rd world. The initial money would help them greatly.

​@@ep4423why should they spend more on a child that's not theirs and the only reason they're doing it is to get by.

These are definitely all relevant factors, humans are a product of their environment. Nutrition, pollution and the physical wellbeing of the surrogate all have a big impact, besides the external environment which she is living in. Thats why, if done properly, the surrogate mother should optimally live with the family for that period in order to optimally control these factors and provide the best care for the developing child. Research shows that at a certain age of the fetus external sounds even have a significant impact on the brain development. There is no nature vs nurture debate, both are equally relevant. Genetics and epigenetics, which already contain a multigenerational blueprint of the environment and life choices build upon the environment which is being provided for the developing child.

@@AA123TD they usually don't spend anything on the child mostly the medical and cost of living for those months is taken care of by the expecting parents living abroad and they also receive lump sums throughout the process.

@@venusproject8202 @venusproject8202 I understand what you're describing though for surrogates mothers the notion they live with the family awaiting the child would be in most circumstances a complete upheaval moving country, often a new language and even if not that any pregnant woman living as a gooseberry under a couples control especially if they're economically vulnerable would find the situation overwhelming. On top of needing to part with the child in one year they'd change living arrangements three times. Adopted children often never hear or feel their adoptive parents from the womb. I've known biological parents that have had domestic fights, smoked, drank far too much and in one case that child's now a doctor and in the other the child's slightly slower in learning but my point is we cant police women's actions like nutrition etc to any major extent for 9 whole months. Perhaps if you paid a surrogate 2 million euros they might feign going along with it and smile but internally it's still imprisoning them. It's a hell no from me anyways.

not if no dicks are involved.

I would never understand the fixation of having a kid with your partner. If there is a desire of having a kid, just adopt one.

Because some people want to have kids that are their flesh and blood and not some stranger's kids.

Georgia 🇬🇪 is not European we are Asian

Shows that they truly don’t see them as their kid.

@@001HK0it’s more special to create. Then to adopt

For the Celebrity case, I think it's outsourcing the pregnancy to another person so the rich person doesn't have to go through the inconvenience.

@@pdc4930 Cameron Diaz would've been unlikely to have had a child naturally at 47. Amber Heard was in a lesbian relationship when she hired a surrogate.

Who wants a used one when you can get a new one!

Adoption is only expensive when its international. Many people don't want to deal with the foster system, adoption lists, or expensive US(well regulated) surrogacy, so they would rather go through unethical Georgian, Mexican, Indian, ect. surrogacy agencies

Just as a human I put myself in these children’s shoes and grow up; I would want to know who carried me, who created me from their body, who pushed me out in labor. I would want to know if she loved me; if a part of her felt like she wanted to keep me.

I wonder if they consider the child as some kind of financial product, at least partially. imagine the insults "I wish I never bought you !", amazing.

We’ll why did they name it after the state 😂

​@@johnnyh893doubt they would know(or care) about the names of American states in 1918 also Georgia isn't named georgia in Georgian its called Sakartvelo

r/usdefaultism

​@@danilapolesciuk4316idk man ga the state is from 1700s

@@jj-bv3ui and? Age doesn't equal popularity especially back then and with fucking states lmfao

Yeah, some women don't have the right womb that can hold and nurture life so they have to go through this means.

@@lakcheong1499 we’ll get a better womb then maybe if they didn’t do all the drugs and drink when they was younger or it’s called have a kid at the right age she look to old to have kids once you passed 35 you shouldn’t have kids who would want a parent who’s old and can’t do much when your a kid

@@johnnyh893 If I may ask that you get on google and do some reading, you are making very uneducated and narrowminded claims. I would appreciate it for you to understand that what you said is incorrect and understand that there are many women who cannot and not due to 'drugs' and being the 'right age'. Thank you.

What a narrow minded view

@@ohthatdemoness6 that’s literally what I said your making no sense

You are wrong, wealthy women are not the ones having impoverished women do this. Kim Kardashian, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Chrissy tiegen all used regulated US surrogacy. It's middle class people who can't afford it, whom go abroad to cheaper, more unethical clinics. Nothing in your response talks about the surrogate mother and how many 3rd world countries allow them to be exploited for someone's "primitive desire"

With adoption, there can be a lot of uncertainty. For example, psychopathy is genetic, and sociopathy has some genetic influences but is more due to nurture. Obviously, prisons have a higher proportion of both psychopathy and sociopathy, all though most in prison are neither. Sociopathy is more prevalent than psychopathy. So let's say both parents or one parent has gone to prison for an egregious or very violent crime and they have psychopathy..the kid can carry those genes. I believe it is called the warrior gene. Anyways, adoption agencies in some instances, have glossed over important information, whether it be behavioral disorders, genetic disorders, ailments, developing disorders, etc. A parent may be less equipped to deal with such if the kid is not their own offspring. They may feel less obligation to do so. Such is down to evolutionary biology. One will feel more commitment and in some cases invest in more resources if the child is their own offspring. Don't get me wrong some adoptive parents are up to the task, but it is not all sunshine and rainbows. An adoptive parent not up to the task is not a bad person. In that case a surrogate mother to carry their child might be a better option. On the flipside a parent may carry a serious disorder whether mental illness such as schizophrenia which is 80 percent genetic or they may have some other genetic disorder ..or in some cases they may be more likely to endure a high risk pregnancy. In such a case parents may opt to adopt. Now there are many options to have kids, i.e. for a lesbian couple, one may opt to get pregnant through a sperm donor. I think these are all viable options and depends on one's circumstances. Of course there are many kids that need to be adopted out, so when a parent who already has kids opts for surrogacy instead of adoption I can see some issue, but I also understand it in some case scenarios. One emerging trend I agree with in some cases, but not others is genetic engineering in terms of pregnancy. Unfortunately, it will only be the rich that benefit from this. Genetic engineering can be great as it can elimate the genes for certain diseases such as Tay Sacs, but genetic engineering is horrible when used to make designer babies. By such I refer to parents choosing to have their babies have blue eyes. It reinforces biased european based beauty norms (that stem from racism and colonisation/ imperialism) and it is shallow and superficial . Such parents are narcissistic and only care about appearances. Parents can also make their kids more athletic for example, with gene altering technology. In an essence, they want the perfect kid, but a perfect human doesn't exist. Our quirks and imperfections are what make us human. It is what makes life interesting. I think the moments of those quirks and idiosyncrasies are precious. A parent shouldn't love their kid based on how they excel in sports. They should love them for them. They should mold their kid to have good character. Not only that, but some genes overlap. For example, the gene for red hair can decrease pain tolerance and make it more difficult for one to respond to anesthesia and pain medication. Likewise the gene that reduces the chance of getting malaria is tied to sickle cell disease. Sorry for the rant, but there are so many angles to this

THAT'S the only iffy thing about it in your opinion? Some woman wanting to preserve her body shape? My God. We're talking about children and pregnant women being traded as commodities here, and orphans and abandoned children being left in orphanages as adoption dies out. Plus all the problems with freezing embryos as well.

​@@marias6583Yep, that comment sounded like internalized misogyny to me.

The mother didn’t want her

It is her daughter, but also the surrogates. Many people refuse to accept that. I think it's funny, because I've heard of lesbian mothers doing things like one carries the child, and the other mother is the biological mother. So people understand that there can be 2 mothers in certain situations, but not in others

banning is fascist

@@bingo737 I see that you clearly don't know the meaning of fascism.. 🤦🏽‍♀️

@@claramrcdo Yes, you are a fascist and homophobe. I want you to experience all the suffering gay couples and many heterosexual couples have.

Her name is given in the video as Mariam Kharkheli - which would be მარიამ ხარხელი in Georgian. Kh in Georgian is written as ხ and I think the journalist is not pronouncing it well. The h should be more pronounced - more like xarxeli.

I mean, the priest had just said something batshit insane lol

Hun it's not a priest... It's a Bishop...

@@ijusttroll is a bishop not a high class priest ? Dont all bishops start out as priests? Guess it's a lil funniervthat it's a high falootin priest 😉

May God be mercifull to you!

Which sky wizard do you speak of , theres a few hundred main ones

@@natturnahh8921 lol keep talking

she only got 500 due to the baby being aborted, a whole other risk involved in this.

@@Johnnystrangeways It was a miscarriage, which is out of the surrogates control. That's like receiving payment as a cook only if the restaurant was full. That's bullshit

There's nothing moral about surrogacy.

Actually surrogates in Canada are exploited all the time. Because they can't officially be paid only reimbursed for expenses they are often promised gifts by the IPs who once the baby is born don't bother to give the gift. I know one surrogate who carried for an gay Italian couple who was promised once the baby was born they would pay for her and her family to visit Italy for a month. They never bothered to keep that promise. Commercial surrogacy is the best option. The Georgian surrogates at least know what they will be paid and have agreed to it.

Other countries already follow this rule. Stop assuming that USA is the only country where things work. You don't even have free healthcare but you are judging other countries for their laws.

You're extremely homophobic

Your life is yours to live and their life is theirs.

What about adopting?

@@jojodroid31 Theres an upper age-limit of 45 for singles and for couples, the combined age cannot be more than 90 according to several adoption agencies in the uk. My intention growing up was to have one child my own and one child adopted.

if you live in USA I think you can fosterchild..one ..two...or 3 or more siblings...perhaps no babies..no toddlers..but a child that needs a chande..and if after certain times their biological family cant take them back because of their bad behavior..no interest..drugs..abuse..whatever..yoy can ask for peranent adoption..hope you are doing good..i

@@elvisbz Thanks, i didnt think about fostering! Im in the uk, but ill look into it :D

I did have similar time of my life where I question being mom like you are. My answer is It really depend on your preference. It is completely fine if you choose to have your own biological child. Fertility medicine is very good these days and with 40s you still have decent chance. People these days are really into pushing for adoption. You can if you want that path. Having a child is a very personal territory and it is okay to choose a choice for yourself. Don’t let society pressure you. I am now a mom with my own biological child that I carry in my own tummy for 9 months.

This is not US state.its country

Wtf 😂

Omg, Please tell me this is satire & that u ain't serious! PLEASE! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Lol 😅

And maybe idk they could pump milk for awhile and be paid for that as well.

"idk they kinda speak russian-ish bro"' - some Vice dude probably

a new kid can be raised and molded, an adopted somewhat grown kid is already imprinted by their experiences up to that point not arguing in favor of surrogacy per se but that’s just the reality of things, adoption is a whole different ball game than raising a child from scratch

@@Azzazpimpso people don't want to sign up to help kids that may have already been abused and traumatized. WOW humanity really does suck.

💯 I said the same thing! "...as modern day American as it gets." Couldn't agree more.

She fully showed her ignorance. The irony is she appears to think he's ignorant. Oh boy are these people going to get a great awakening.

Yes many people believe in Jesus and in the Word of God. She should be open to learning about things she doesn’t know about. There is a whole spiritual realm we can’t see without he help of the Spirit and currently the interviewer laughs because she is just in the natural. ”But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.“ ‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

@@theexplorer5077 That's probably true. Instead they want to contribute to the overpopulation crisis assuming their child won't cause or have emotional damage. I've known plenty of biological members of families who have their own issues.

usually the max is 6 for surrogacy

I guess soon it will be because of these selfish people. And the orphans will grow up in orphanages.

You can't convince me that this is an acceptable way to make money. If earning enough money for a better quality of life is all it takes to justify this, then you may as well condone prostitution, drug trafficking, and pretty much anything else in between. It's all motivated by a desire to make a better life at all costs. Instead of supporting a system of exploitation, which are just bandaids on a gushing wound, we need to deal with the real problem which is economic exploitation. The societies that don't support their people with decent jobs because of their failed policies are societies that have failed their people.

They want babies. Kids up for adoption are usually older & messed up.

​@@davidz3879are you OK? There are PLENTY of babies up for adoption.

@@carnuatus No, there's a severe shortage, especially in the developed world. It used to be common for single mothers to give them up, but in the 21st c they usually keep them.

No, they want to deal with the pain and hardship of child birth.

There ain't enough WHITE BABIES available for adoption. Plenty of POC babies. Just not white. And that is part of the problem! 🫤

It's only happening in developing countries they want the third world to breed like rabbits

feminism

but I love ExxonMobil and Shell and BP and Dupont. They make so many wonderful tasty chemicals.

@@dananshen2423 the feminists I know of want kids. Plus infertility is mainly going down due to sperm count and it's already known richer nations over time birth rate decreases.

Damn feminists putting micro plastics in our water. All their fault. 😡

Who knows. In most cases it's gestational surrogacy

Smart man

@@Hoxgene I'm a smart ape 🦧🦧🦧🦧

Adoption is not good either. It's a long, difficult, expensive process, that ends up taking a child from its native land and culture, to be brought up among strangers. Often it grows up confused and not belonging, and the parents are on their end disrespected and not allowed to know what's happened to their child. International adoptions are much worse still than surrogacy.

@@Aethuviel I hope surrogacy will be banned in Georgia! We are Christian nation and it's unacceptable. Also it'a like exploiting poor women's body.

I completely disagree that her response was appropriate. It severely lacked cultural humility. A journalist traveling to someone else's country may not agree with their belief system, but they should minimally be respectful of the differences in opinion, thought, tradition, belief, etc. (especially when on camera). Reacting the way she did not only made her look highly immature and disrepsectful, but it was also extremely unprofessional. Vice, you can do better. Educate this journalist or give her the boot! She's making you look bad!

@@schust4 This is absolutely ridiculous. The country is NOT a theocracy, and therefore that priest is just 1 member of a church in a country that its citizens are free to follow or not. That opinion of the priest is not universal to the catholic church, or even within the catholic organization in Georgia. That viewpoint of the priest that "a baby born during surrogacy will turn into an antichrist" is an EXTREME and not universal viewpoint within that country or the catholic church. She gave his viewpoint equal airtime, and that's more than generous for such extremist perspectives. That does not mean she should have smiled and nodded her head along in agreement to dangerous and inflammatory comments like the priest made. That would have actually been irresponsible for her to have done as a journalist from a democratic country, to act as if she is "respecting" such extremist viewpoints from certain members of religious organizations in a country.

​@@schust4People spreading misinformation and barbaric messages against a policy in modern world should be critized.

Based

or just stay single and have kids. from anyone :D