It's literally a Ryzen 7000 (Zen 4) CPU but rebranded as "8000" because any AMD CPU released in 2024 automatically starts with 8xxx regardless of architecture, falling in line with what they've done with laptop CPUs the past year or so. Very dumb and intentionally misleading for most consumers that don't know better. The real 8000 desktop CPUs (Zen 5) will probably be out at the end of this year. These ones in the video should be called 7700G, 7600G, 7500G, etc.
Mini PCs probably won't use these CPUs because they would constantly be thermally throttled. They will still use the Ryzen 7940HS or whatever is called which is almost the exact same CPU, but which uses less power and needs lees cooling.
@@aleasd7905 my mini PC uses a ryzen 5900x with a 120 watt tdp I don't know what you are talking about ,they have a 65 watt tdp heat would never be a concern
My problem with handhelds has always been the small screen and controls. They just don’t feel good imo. Plus I wouldn’t be caught dead playing video games on a handheld in public.
@@frankdevo5715 Saying the steam deck is small is absurd haha, I find it comfy but most of the people I know says it's way too big and bulky, and uncomfortable. But for me, the controls are better than the majority of controllers, to the extent I find myself laying in bed, playing on my Steam Deck instead of going to my PC. I can now leave my PC for work or super intensive games like re4r and the like. Feeling embarrassed to play games in public is more of a personal issue for you though, so I can't say much. People don't even think to look when I play on airplanes or on the bus because of how normalized handhelds are since it's not 2005 anymore, so I don't really understand the hesitancy on that.
@@muufle the steam deck has a 7" screen. that might be good for handhelds but its objectively small for a screen. Obviously its my personal taste, that's why i specified that it was MY problem with handhelds. No one is looking at you playing games in public because they're catching severe second hand embarrassment even looking at you being a huge manchild.
@@frankdevo5715Yeah, same reason I do not like laptops, I find the screen super small to play on (not that its not possible, just way less fun than on a regular monitor). Hell after I got used to my 32 inch that I bought a few months ago even 24 inch seems a bit small ahahaha.
@@nostrum6410 I dont do heavy workloads that will really stress out the cpu. I only really use it for simple tasks like school work or other things like that. 8 cores should be perfect for what i do.
yes, the iGPU is mostly for laptops and handhelds, but it can also be used in a pc to reduce costs significantly by not buying a dedicated GPU if you don't need that much graphical power.
I’m happy that he pointed out that the technology itself is impressive because this might just be the future. Technology starts somewhere and this could be super exciting stuff in the future.
@@ddddaaddaaaa 65W is too much for handheld. This is great for mini PCs and for people that play simple games and don't want to also bother with a GPU.
@tonyd7164 115 watts is nothing compared to a 65 watts cpu and a 120 or 150 watts gpu. In countries where electricity a little expensive, this is viable option for work and gaming.
@@nostrum6410 Yeah, and he said that you could buy a budget CPU and GPU and get about the same performance. So, OP is way off and flitai is asking for something that already has been done.
@@keithcraig506dude, that’s the price of a 3060 but for way less of the graphical performance. Also he literally said half the performance of that pair for the same price, not to mention the heat in intensive workloads. I think it’s safe to say this is mainly good for 3D Renderers.
@@keithcraig506 His comment was worded horribly, I thought he meant the total opposite of what he said. Meaning the GPU+CPU combo is more expensive than an APU. Which I totally misunderstood, FizBliz is correct. An APU costs 3x more than a GPU+CPU combo. (only used combos)
The 16MB of L3 is really gonna hurt this chip long term. I’m not sure if it’s also feeding the GPU, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it had a portion dedicated to the graphics
if you really on budget just skip 8700G altogether. just get Ryzen 3600/5600 with RX6600. still cost less but significantly give you better gaming performance.
@@DigitalPlacebo if you want the best solution it is better just buy the CPU and GPU you want from the get go rather than taking the APU route and then buy the GPU later. some people try to do this kind of thing before and in the end they regret the decision later on. also with 8700G/8600G the discrete GPU will be limited to PCIE x8 only.
In Brazil we buy APUs because the price of every parts are too high. Ryzen 5 5600x + RTX4060? - $600+ Dollars (with direct conversion from R$3000 Reais) Ryzen 5 5600g - 161 Dollars Ryzen 5 8600G - 282 Dollars I3 12100f + RX6600 - 450 Dollars So, we grab those APUs to start a gamer PC and try to save money for a Graphic Cards in the future
What is more impressive is you can save a lot in electricity especially if you game a lot. You also don't have to put up with excess heat and more loud fans just to compensate for the extra unwanted heat.
Viable choice is always depending on your demands. If someone plays indie games or older games that are at least 3-4 years old without 4k and ultra graphics demands then then he can play just fine. If he wants to play the latest AAA with ultra over 60fps and 4k then no matter how good the APU such a person will always need a GPU.
@@SIPEROTHMy M2 Max using crossover and cxpatcher using steam is playing Re2 remake on max settings with upscaling at 4k is getting 60-80 fps. Playing Re village and 4 remake which is native on Mac I’m getting 80-100fps with upscaling 4k.
@@GlobalWave1 Well done, but your M2 Max is like $5k new and still $2,7k used now even though it's been out for years and we're on M4. A new 4090 and 9950X system is cheaper than your used one and won't need upscaling to beat it, although it will use more power ofc.
@@Gen0cidePTB I use mine mainly for music production and it’s great to game on the side. I don’t need a 4090 because I can’t carry that around. I’ll game on my couch and the graphics looks great. Fortunately there’s a diminishing return at this level. I’m good where I’m at 👍🏾
That’s honestly insane, the fact you can make a mini PC with such power is amazing to me. This is badass and I can’t wait for what the future has in store for PC users. Maybe this’ll be the way to make PC gaming casual like.
@@itwill-change But can't easily fit it into an NUC form factor, which I believe this is what the chip is really made for, seeing as Intel just sold the NUC brand to ASUS (I think) meaning AMD NUCs are now possible.
Amd kinda dropped the ball on this one tbh. I remember the old 2200G and 2400G being great options for budget gamers. The price on these new ones make them unsuitable for that niche. The cpu portion is quite strong, but the gpu portion is so weak, it's very unbalanced. I'd rather see a weaker cpu and the same graphics for a much cheaper price.
That $330(P18k) is actually going to cost something like $400-500(P22.5k-27.5k) on my place and I'm always wondering why is it always cheaper when buying PC parts in the US than the rest of the world? 😡
100%, even in india, the AMD cpu are clearly not a value for money. The 5600 cost more than the 12400f while giving lower performance. Currently the ryzen 7000 series CPU are unreachable for budget PC.
@@mrdngamer7592 tbh the 12400f doesn't have an integrated GPU while the 5600G has but it depends on what's your preference. The latter is kind of affordable and you can build a 5600G GPU-less system unit at the max price of a R5-8600
I think the appeal of these kinds of cpus is so that way you can buy a high end cpu and have a functioning computer while being able to save up for a better gpu in the future
@@r6arpitDifference is the 8700G has an upgrade path throughout AM5 support while the 12th gen is more limited in its upgrade path as the 14th gen is the last to be using its socket
I could see this making sense on a Home server as it would make troubleshooting easier and would allow easier hardware encoding for home media servers.
Another thing to think about though when comparing it to the 12th gen and GPU is that this is a current gen CPU and GPU, so the upgrade path is already there, and for people who are into content creation having that integrated GPU alongside a dedicated GPU is going to help the PC so much
Im a fan of apus since the ryzen 5 3400g came out. I now switched to the ryzen 7 5700g and am very Happy with it. I mostly use my pc for office works and sometimes play a little fortnite and so. I dont have a graphics card, which will drastically reduce the amount of electricity used, especially with the high prices for it in europe.
This would be good for people thatre on a budget aswell. Say maybe you can only afford the cpu at the moment you can get an apu then hold out and wait till you have enough saved up for a gpu.
The other part you have to take into consideration is power draw. Some people can't or don't want to be pulling 150w+ from the wall constantly. The price for power adds up quick.
This is actually a win. If you are looking to do some light gaming and dont have a ton of space this is perfect. Im glad this technology is getting so good. I used to think they werent worth it but they are getting to be more and more of a good deal
I can see this being the future.. no longer needing a super huge GPU that take up alot of space can be a plus for some people but aesthetic wise tho...
Then go for a 7600 200$ or a 7500f at 160$ and buy a 6600 used? Even a 580 from aliexpress would give you more performance and more money to save for the real gpu that you are aim it for
Yeah I agree with this assessment. If you want to replace lower tier GPUs with these, they actually need to make sense. If I can buy a cpu + gpu for less that will outperform it, I think you may need to go back to the drawing board.
I think it could be a great processor for someone that wants to game today while saving for a GPU. I am going to tell a friend this idea as he has been looking into a build. I am on 3900x AM4 and this is even tempting to me. Issue being having to upgrade to am5 means new motherboard and ram as well...
The G series chips are perfect for people who intend to upgrade to a high end card later on. Buying a 12100F in 2024 is basically lighting money on fire. Getting an 8000G allows you to retain a solid CPU when you eventually get a good GPU in the future
They should make 100$ APU with low-end 4c/8t CPU with such integrated GPU. This would make a great entry-level PC. They should also bring console-like design to PC. 12 TF Radeon + 8c/16t Ryzen like Xbox Series X has. It would be an integrated solution with soldered APU and RAM, but still awesome lower mid-range build.
Mate, the main thing is 8040S have same lanes of PCIe and less TDP but almost same performance (without OC) and so far there are so many mini-PC on market you definitely can get cheap and reliable.
You have to consider that iGPUS can’t fail. If a GPU dies and you got no iGPU that can do what you need to do there is nothing left but to get a new GPU. It’s initially expensive but over time it will become a better option
The only question unanswered from Zak is that - will this cost less in overall power consumption, resulting in a potential lower power bill? If indeed it does that, then it will bring down the cost. The only other benefit this setup would have is by trying to remove the standalone gpu market. This would hurt miners and resellers.
So these are perfect for me to build a super small pc, for watching the news, doing documents spreadsheets, printing and having a multiple monitor setup yeah?😊 can’t wait til price drops on these those. $330 is a bit much, was hoping around $240.
Realistically they need to make a way to double the power so u can use both if that makes sense imagine if u could use a gpu for most things but with the integrated graphics taking care of some of it and the cpu part doing some other stuff so there isn't as much strain on ur gpu that way u could get a cheaper one and still get great performance that would be cool :(
