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Interesting thing to try with a Dipole (like Magnepan etc) and a sub 

joppe peelen
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Well, this is something that i had to learn on the Film academy about mics.. but also works for speakers. so i try to explain the idea. (bare with me its 15 years ago)
first of its not new... mics used it from 1940... and some speakers or PA venue's use something similar. i just try to explain the idea since not many are aware of this effect. or use it.
it might be interesting to try and see what it does for you, by the way i used a Motional feedback closed sub (or servo), since it sounds sort of like dipole. it works with any woofer (except dipole subs + another dipole , one has to be omnidirectional one must be dipole). but if you like the sound of the woofer i leave that up to you.
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@sedge3813
@sedge3813 2 месяца назад
Hi Joppe. This is similar to the method I have used for my dml panels, for at least 10years. The difference is , I have my Subs up against the wall behind the panels. The distance difference from the front cone to the panel is about 30cm. I then time align them using dsp . The subs do not have rear wall reflections causing problems because they are up against the wall. Time aligning not only cancels the rear panel wave at source but also strengthens the front wave. I usually run my panels down to about 100hz, and the subs up to about 300hz, depending on which panels I am using. Doing this gets rid of the room and panel, suck outs which tend to appear in the 100hz to 400hz regions, depending on the panel used. I usually have the low frequency drivers ,probably at least 3db louder than the panels , this sounds more natural to my ears. Depending on the panel low end performance, the sub and the panel can both run together from 40hz to , in my case 300hz. I have not tried having the panels any further forward, mainly because a lack of space. I hope this is of use to you. Steve.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 2 месяца назад
Ah at least one user of the concept haha. I think the rest of people using it might not be aware hehe and good idea with the delay!!! thanks
@rhalfik
@rhalfik 2 месяца назад
i always thought that ripoles are very good at this. You should be able to put a ripole on top of a regular sub and get a moderate but broadband cancellation. One series of woofers that I think could excel at this is the Peerless domes marked GBS, for example GBS250. They're discounted and very compact. If you could put a woofer like this in front of a regular sub, you should get a nice bandwidth. The scary part is that you always need to bump up the bass when going cardioid. It's the same as with dipoles, the lows are weak and lifeless without at least 3db of boost.
@jean-lucbattista2492
@jean-lucbattista2492 2 месяца назад
You should definitely go one and make a full range cardiod speaker, using a boxed woofer playing against the back wave of a your planar dipole sub dual membrane well into the mids, crossed into a ribbon tweeter in a controlled waveguide playing cardioid highs! Only the sub frequencies from the ported box would remain omni. Making it the first speaker with perfect dispersion down to 50hz! That would resolve the problem of the rear wall reflection!
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 2 месяца назад
haha yeah bit to much :)
@dutch_roads3801
@dutch_roads3801 2 месяца назад
Maybe I am wrong, but I would take two open baffle woofers and connect them in a 90 degree angle (magnets pointing to each other). Pointed forward it should make a cardioid source ? Well, a kind of .... I think.
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 2 месяца назад
I am afraid not , It would look more like 3 dots, with still the same amount coming from the back compared to a regular dipole , and less from the front but a little more on the sides of the front. Compared to a regular dipole )
@sc0or
@sc0or 2 месяца назад
Is this is a time to try MBL-like omni woofer but with your cylindrical planar membrane rather than MBLs dynamic driver and metal blades? You could manage a tension with increasing/decreasing a distance between that "drum" caps. The only a critical thing is a circular tension
@joppepeelen
@joppepeelen 2 месяца назад
ooh no :) this was just to ilustrate how you could ditch 9 db of the ouput on the backside of a dipole :)
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