Interstate 80 West

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In this video, we travel west from New York to San Francisco, checking out some sights we missed on the eastbound video and following spur routes through Omaha and Sacramento. It's an awesome trip! Control City Freak is updated weekly and covers every two digit Interstate Highway in America. I'll be showing control city signs on each 1 and 2 digit (2di) Interstate Highway in the continental United States and will strive to make as complete a record as possible. I'll also be getting into the roadgeek weeds here and there, showing downtown skylines and state border crossings, and making corny jokes. I welcome all to join my geeky tour of every primary Interstate in the country!
All images of roads and signs come from Google Street View unless otherwise specified.
The Interstate 80 Shield comes from Wikipedia, en.wikipedia.o...
The 80/80 N picture appears courtesy of Steve Alpbert at alpsroads.net. photo credit Michael Summa,1976. www.alpsroads....
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Music: Acoustic Sunrise, from the Apple iMovie sounds library
"No Easy Way Out" by Robert Tepper
Marge Vs. The Monorail - The Simpsons
Control City Freak Episodes mentioned in this video:
Interstate 80 East • Interstate 80 East
Which 180 is worst? • Which I-180 is Worst?
Interstate 79 • Interstate 79
Interstate 76 Western • Interstate 76 Western
Interstate 29 North • Interstate 29 North
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@MrQuinnzard 2 года назад

There are not enough roadfans on RU-vid. Thank you for your service. o7

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Thanks!

@appalachianenthusiast9499 2 года назад

A. Bellefonte is pronounced (Bell-font) B. DuBois is pronounced (Do-boys) C. PennDOT is working on constructing a high-speed interchange for I-99, though it is taking forever because it has to be done in steps. Step one is to build a local interchange two miles northeast of I-99, step two is to improve Jacksonville Road in preparation for detouring I-99/I-80 traffic onto it, and finally they can work on the high-speed interchange itself. The entire project is expected to be complete by 2026, with the local interchange being completed this fall.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Wow, didn't realize it was that big of a project

@appalachianenthusiast9499 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak Not to mention that once the I-99/I-80 interchange is finished, PennDOT is planning on finishing I-99 to the NY border. This project involves another high-speed interchange, making about 4 miles of 220 Interstate standard, and building a 5 mile bypass around Larrys Creek and Linden.

@brucetelfeyan 2 года назад

I guess that they are not in any kind of hurry on this project. So much for Build Back Better!

@appalachianenthusiast9499 2 года назад

@@brucetelfeyan They have to do it this slow because of the way the interchange is currently designed. Once the local access interchange and Jacksonville Road improvements are complete, they can route vehicles getting on and off of I-99 through that exit instead of having to create special temporary ramps, which ultimately saves money.

@natewill1464 2 года назад

@@appalachianenthusiast9499 where can you view these future plans for I-99 north?

@ianbaram3043 2 года назад

i don't have a big problem with signing the water gap as a control city, it's a huge tourist destination and well known as the NJ-PA border

@tylermarchand2996 2 года назад

Maybe sign the area as Poconos? That’s the general name for the Monroe County area…

@tylermarchand2996 2 года назад

East Stroudsburg is the largest community there, but all hotels mention the Poconos.

@mxderate 2 года назад

I'd sign it as a secondary, not a primary. I'd sign along with Scranton or Cleveland.

@spellcast1391 Год назад

Good control states. I’m from IL so we use a lot of them. Wisconsin/Indiana.

@dvferyance Год назад

Maybe WB but EB it should be New York City no question.

@mintberrycrunch1752 2 года назад

I appreciate you taking the scenic route through my hometown of Omaha

@rlg1976x 2 года назад

The Mississippi/Great Lakes watershed divide is backwards from what people may think. You travel westbound into the Great Lakes watershed and eastbound into the Mississippi watershed. Cleveland and Akron are on the Cuyahoga River which flows to Lake Erie and Youngstown is in the Mississippi watershed via the Mahoning River to Beaver River to Ohio River to Mississippi.

@nathananderson3922 2 года назад

I-80 once had five suffixed routes, tied with I-35 for the most. The three I-80N's became western I-84, the I-680 segment that is now called I-880, and a section of mainline I-80 in Ohio. Interestingly, the two I-80S routes were changed into the western and eastern I-76s. I-35's total trimmed to four suffixed routes when I-35W in Kansas switched into I-135.

@newflyer2198 2 года назад

Its worth noting that I-270 in Maryland used to be called I-70S.

@LeviRamsey 2 года назад

In the Northeast, especially from Trenton northeast, the pattern is more akin to smaller independent cities orbiting big cities. Places like Paterson, White Plains, Bridgeport, New Haven, Waterbury, Worcester, and Lowell really aren't suburbs (and were even less so at the time the Interstates were being built)... they'd have their own economies/commute patterns/etc.

@295g295 2 года назад

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@295g295 2 года назад

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@LeviRamsey 2 года назад

US-52 end-to-end is one of the drives I've had an unreasonable fascination with for a couple of decades.

@TheBIGJake111 2 года назад

I had an internship in college in Charleston SC then the next summer I interned outside of Minneapolis. I remember being like wait… 52 same road? It felt like I was on the other side of the world.

@LeviRamsey 2 года назад

Ideally, it would be part of a Key West to Inuvik or Tuktoyaktuk drive.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Same!

@thomasrinschler6783 2 года назад

I grew up around Cincinnati, so I've been on that part of US 52 many times. It definitely is a weird feeling when I was on it on trips to Charleston SC and Minot ND!

@dr4782 Год назад

U.S. 62 is another screwy one, from El Paso to Niagara Falls.

@tylermarchand2996 2 года назад

I live in Reno, and have driven on every mile of I 80 due to using it as a divider between north and south for my 21/22 road trips. I think Elkhart should be added as a control city, as its a decent sized metro (200k). Also I’d add Iowa City: it’s decent sized (180k), provides access to Cedar Rapids, and is home to the University of Iowa. Also, as you get closer to Reno, you start seeing distance signs for Sparks, a smaller city of about 110k just east of US 395.

@tupactheory3739 2 года назад

traveling from sw suburbs to iowa city i was baffled that it wasnt a control city on almost any signs! i think at very few points nearby it's a top-line control city and about 60 miles away it shows up on the second line but it feels so absent when it just shouldn't be

@SigmaRho2922 2 года назад

The interchange between I-76 and I-80 in Nebraska was reconstructed between 2019 and 2022

@SigmaRho2922 2 года назад

Exit 222 in Nebraska where Interstate 80 meets Nebraska 21 in South Cozad Township marks the symbolic halfway point on the highway. The township only has three businesses (one gas station, a Cobblestone hotel, and a former motor inn that was demolished) and is located 1.1 miles south of the Cozad city line. The Cobblestone hotel which we stayed at twice on our cross country road trip between New York and Las Vegas in the summer of 2021 was built on top of the former motor inn’s footprint.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Oh cool!

@hermesbandofficial8551 Год назад

Cozad itself is also the 100 degrees west line which I thought was pretty cool

@benjaminchandler7919 Год назад

In Wyoming, Utah, and Nevada, there should consistently be two control cities “SLC” and “Reno” are short enough words to fit other city names on there. Also Rock Springs and Elko are 10x the size of the town that Colorado insists on signing obsessively

@benjaminchandler7919 Год назад

And to anyone wondering if I’m advocating for Rawlins and Lyman as control cities, the simple answer is “not really.” The only way I can see them being singed is as secondaries on the way to rock springs. Lyman’s a farm town and I’ve only heard of Rawlins because of this video. I would rather see Rock Springs be a secondary on the way to Salt Lake and Cheyenne

@corntastrophy 3 месяца назад

16:44 update from an Iowan - they changed this sign to just be Omaha for 880 vs North Omaha. I always thought North Omaha was a suburb 480 served, but it's actually just the main city

@K149__ 2 месяца назад

the reason 480 and 80 are signed both for cleveland is because 480 is the way to take for the central-northern most suburbs of the city (parma, brooklyn, north olmsted, etc.) while 80 covers the southernmost suburbs like strongsville

@jbillma 2 года назад

Yep, there's a divide there. If I'm not mistaken, that sign is in Portage County, so named because those traveling by canoe and other early watercraft would "portage" (carry their boats) between the rivers leading to the Ohio River and those leading to Lake Erie. This is a rare divide running east and west, rather than north-south divides like the Continental Divide... and yes, this divide runs near Chicago, too.

@Vincent-ke5zn 2 года назад

I saw your I-80 east bound yesterday and I loved it

@catofdar 2 года назад

Being a good friend of the webmaster of alpsroads, I mentioned your shout out of him to him. He was very appreciative! Love the videos by the way!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Awesome, thanks! I really appreciate him letting me use the pic and getting back to me so quickly

@kaymillerfromTX 2 года назад

There’s some 80 signs from local roads that have weird control cities too. Like Dover or Parsippany. Jersey just wants to tell you about all of our “great” places 😂

@bigj200016 Год назад

Illinois Tollways Oasises have really be scaling back on them. 3 of them have closed their buildings, and one even closed the gas station. South Holland and Lake Forest are still open completely on the Tri-State, Belvedere on the Adams (I90) and DeKalb on the Reagan (I88). Hinsdale and OHare still have gas stations open on Tri-State. Des Plaines completely closed on Adams

@craiglindecamp9589 2 года назад

Perfect thing to sit and watch while my oil gets changed and tires get rotated

@drivingbritt9617 2 года назад

At least Lyman doesn't get the Todd Treatment! lol

@ReallyBadDriving 2 года назад

I can't wait for I-81. I currently live in Syracuse so I'm on that interstate nearly everyday and I have family in Virginia so I've driven the entire length several times.

@patstudios1184 Год назад

A possible solution for the 376 New Castle vs Pittsburgh situation could be to sign it for the Pittsburgh International Airport. 376 is the main way that people get to the Airport, as opposed to I-79, which connects to Pittsburgh itself via I-279. Of course, it’s a bit far from the Airport at its intersection with I-80. If I had to guess though, it is probably signed for New Castle since it used to be part of a state route until 2009, and since I-376 meets US-224 and US-422 in New Castle.

@SlowedByMaple Год назад

For Interstate 80 as a whole, it should be: Eastbound - Oakland/Sacramento, just Sacramento, Reno, Salt Lake City, Cheyenne, Lincoln/Omaha, just Omaha, Des Moines, Davenport/Chicago, just Chicago, Toledo, Cleveland, Youngstown/New York City, and just New York City (No random Pennsylvania cities :) Westbound - Cleveland, Toledo, Chicago, Des Moines, Omaha, Lincoln, Denver, Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, Reno, Sacramento, Oakland and San Francisco

@ControlCityFreak Год назад

Solid

@MayorTerwilliger 10 месяцев назад

If Illinois wasn't obsessed with signing other states, I would sign 80 west for Quad Cities when it splits from 294.

@BhChicagoTVStationhistoriesand Месяц назад

I partly agree with that. I’d feel better if at the 294 split it was Joliet and Quad Cities. Joliet is the 3rd largest city in Illinois population wise so why not put both it and Quad Cities since 80 goes through both? It didn’t used to bother me them putting Des Moines on the 80 West signs but that was 30 years ago, a lot has changed since then. Where the Chicago suburbs end is actually a heated topic so I won’t get into it here but I do have an opinion on that.

@danhobson2879 Год назад

I got no big issue with using Denver as a secondary from Omaha to North Platte. Then cosign it with Cheyenne to the 76 cutoff. Nebraska really should use 3 places for the milage signs. The last city line between Omaha and I-76 should alternate among Lincoln, North Platte, Denver and Cheyenne.

@seanmerritt2905 2 года назад

Bloomsburg, PA, has the unique honor of being the only incorporated “town” in Pennsylvania. Every other municipality in PA is a city, borough, or township. But Bloomsburg is a town. Is that enough to get control city status? Who’s to say?

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

lol

@stephenmccloughan7541 2 года назад

Bloomsburg is the biggest population center in that section of the state so that is why.

@Doooder2 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak Also after I81 can you do an I15 reboot? There is a US30 in Idaho, but you didn't bring it up in the I15 video

@davidv2700 Год назад

Murrysville and Monroeville, outside Pittsburgh, are called "Municipalities".

@DjDillPickle565 2 года назад

I loved the I-80 videos. Great work todd!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Thanks!

@mbdg6810 2 года назад

Can’t wait for my local interstate I-81. Kinda cool 80 and 81 connect.

@seannewberry7941 2 года назад

Your definitely right about 80 in Pennsylvania. I do love how Jersey makes you pay to leave. 😂😂😂

@chuckonwubu1458 2 года назад

Yes, every crossing of the Delaware River or Hudson River is a one-way toll going out of NJ.

@ap70621 Год назад

@@chuckonwubu1458 All but one. The privately owned Dingman's Ferry Bridge between Pike County, PA and Sussex County, NJ charges both directions.

@brucetelfeyan 2 года назад

I’ve thought for years now that I-80 should actually have its eastern terminus at the eastern end of the Long Island Expressway near Riverhead, NY. It should go west across Long Island to the interchange with I-295, then head over the Throgs Neck Bridge and run concurrently with I-95 through south Bronx and over northern Manhattan and across the George Washington Bridge. This would make I-80 more truly coast to coast and not require any new highway construction.

@mxderate 2 года назад

Yeah I agree. Plus, it would enter New York.

@alexjones3511 Год назад

Same here, though I would rather have it end in Queens near LaGuardia International Airport.

@bobkitchin8346 2 года назад

In West Sacramento on eastbound I-80 Business/US 50, just after the split from I-80, is the longest control city mileage sign in the US. It's for Ocean City, Maryland at 3073 miles. I think there is a similar sign in Ocean City for Sacramento

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

There is, I’ve seen it

@davidgreenhow7811 Год назад

The beginning of US 20 in Newport, Oregon eastbound has a sign for Boston.

@GSU_Panther_Nation 2 года назад

The salt flats near Salt Lake City again reminds me of good old Crait that the Resistance went to where Luke seemingly popped out of nowhere

@corntastrophy 2 года назад

I live in Des Moines and I remember when all the signs said both Omaha and Council Bluffs. I sorta understand why they sign it, since Council Bluffs is considered a major city in Iowa, but it mostly piggybacks off of Omaha's metro. Davenport makes sense because it's actually the largest city of the Quad Cities unlike Moline and Rock Island, and has the most city-esque downtown and feel. Signing Council Bluffs without Omaha would be like signing Mason City for I-35 north without Minneapolis, or Albert Lea even. And the North Omaha for 880 is probably just a leftover of when it was signed with 680, since 680 itself did take you to North Omaha.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Yeah that makes sense on 880. Des Moines is nice! I was there recently

@corntastrophy 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak I agree, I do like the skyline and the downtown is pretty compact for a Midwestern city. I-235 is one of the coolest interstate architecture I have seen in a metro, next to Peoria's I-74.

@spellcast1391 Год назад

Why have the 3 digit interstate in the town? I thought that was to BYPASS the town?(I-294, I-894, I-270, I-640)

@corntastrophy Год назад

@@spellcast1391 Des Moines was originally designed to be bypassed entirely because at the time it was a small city of only 100k. The idea for 235 was stated when they wanted a spur to Downtown but redesigned it to be a full loop.

@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact Год назад

@@spellcast1391 that rule has since been changed so that a 3 digit interstate starting with an even number essentially connects to another interstate either as a bypass or a main thoroughfare through the metro area. There are exceptions like I-380 in PA, which actually used to be I-81E.

@penguinsfan251 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for mentioning Streetsboro while on I-80 West...the little town where I grew up. I-80 does not go through or touch the Cleveland city limits at all, as the Ohio Turnpike was designed and built not to go through any major city. Regarding the sign in Portage County, Ohio designating the Eastern Continental Divide...there IS a divide between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River. As pointed out, west of the divide is the Cuyahoga River (I-80 goes over it twice) which flows to Lake Erie. East of the Divide is the Mahoning River - I-76 crosses over it, and it flows to the Beaver River, then to the Ohio River.

@brucetelfeyan 2 года назад

At the junction with I-76 west of North Platte, NE, the signs should show: for I-76 - Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and for I-80 - Cheyenne, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco. This is a major interchange with significant choices for those heading west. It is a shame that Nebraska DOT does not take advantage of this opportunity!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

That would be awesome!

@mxderate 2 года назад

I'd love to see that!

@danieljackett4193 2 года назад

Ohio 2 is the exit to the BEST Amusement Park in the US, Cedar Point

@mxderate 2 года назад

I think there are better ones but I use to live in Cleveland so I've been there plenty of times. I enjoyed it.

@markscheig3691 Год назад

Late to the party here. But signing 376 for New Castle is the right call imo. If you are going westbound on 80 from New Jersey and you want to get to Pittsburgh, there are several options available from Rt. 28 all the way through to I-79. Going to 376 from the East and signing it Pittsburgh doesn't make sense especially considering 376 is also a toll road. I'd even argue signing it Eastbound doesn't make sense because it's quicker to get to Pittsburgh taking 79 and no toll. New Castle also population of over 21,000 and biggest city in the area.

@spellcast1391 Год назад

No one is using it for Pittsburgh except for Sharon-area traffic. So New Castle makes a fine secondary. Pittsburgh should be on the sign though BECAUSE THAT IS where I-376 goes. It will connect back with I-76 in Pittsburgh. Is it a spur route from Pittsburgh to Sharon(I-80)

@spellcast1391 Год назад

From NYC, Paterson, Poconos, Williamsport, DuBois, and Clarion it is a slower route

@ReallyBadDriving 2 года назад

Heads up, there's a Lyman in Maine that I-95 goes through.

@mxderate 2 года назад

There's one in SC too.

@bigj200016 7 месяцев назад

I really think my only complaint in almost all of Ohio signage ( other than the Marietta ridiculousness) is that after the first junction with 480, the secondary should be Sandusky for Cedar Point.

@somethingrandom987 2 года назад

I can't wait till next week to see your thoughts on Bristol as a control city

@RealHeyMark 2 года назад

The North Freeway in Omaha was briefly signed as Interstate 580 in the 1980s.

@brucetelfeyan 2 года назад

It should be again. The removed the I-580 designation because the interchange with 480 did not meet interstate standards. Instead of using funds to upgrade it, they built the Storz Expressway to provide a better road to the airport. But some years later, the 480/North Freeway interchange was upgraded to interstate standards, so I-580 should be in place again.

@TheSharkKing45 Год назад

@@brucetelfeyan I think the JFK Freeway/US75 makes sense for a revival of 580. though personally speaking, I think having either Bellevue or Plattsmouth (or by some reason Nebraska City) having the terminus probably would have its benefits

@coreyrussell2942 2 года назад

Awesome video.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Thanks!

@diasporagothic9544 Год назад

The signage between the GWB and the 80/95 split could definitely be done better (can't wait for the I-95 video). I think it's important to remember that a lot of interstate traffic in this region is freight and cargo. Northern New Jersey used to be a mighty industrial center, and is a major logistics point not just for NYC but for a lot of commerce serving New England too. From the GWB heading westbound, I understand Paterson as a control city because more than a suburb it's a major industrial center. An aside: if they were ever going to reroute I-80 for some reason, I would want them to extend it over the GWB and then follow 678 all the way to JFK airport. Those x78s in NYC are so annoying since 78 doesn't enter NYC, can't wait to see you cover them in a future video.

@tylermarchand2996 Год назад

@diasporagothic9544 I 78 technically does enter New York, but considering the major sin it commits in Jersey City, it really should just end there.

@ddrdanganvloger2187 2 года назад

I’d just sign it as I-80 「Insert Control city here」 San Francisco

@mxderate 2 года назад

That would be pretty cool.

@bagenstb 2 года назад

I grew up in PA and I'm in total agreement...errr, completely offended by your characterization of those towns! What about the Bloomsburg Fair? What about the 6,000 people in Bellefonte or 13,000 people in Sharon? What about...umm, yeah, that's all I got. I-80 in PA really deserves all the "love" you gave it. Random theory: maybe PA was so offended by Ohio skipping all PA towns and signing I-80 east for NYC that PA gets its "revenge" by not signing any OH towns until it absolutely has to. On another note, I now live in Salt Lake City, and that stretch of I-80 from the WY border to SLC is even more beautiful in person than it is on Google Street View. I cannot recommend it enough! The stretch from SLC to the Nevada border is really nice too with lots of mountain scenery at first and then the Bonneville Salt Flats.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

I've driven 80 from Cheyenne to 84 a couple times, and 40 to SLC once, definitely dug it. I haven't been on 80 between SLC and Reno before, definitely want to hit that sometime.

@justinsmith2598 2 года назад

Illinois goes by states as the control city for I-80 & I-294. Going westbound on I-80 through the Chicago suburbs, the control cities are Iowa or Moline-Rock Island. Going eastbound, it’s Indiana. It changes to Des Moines after I-39. It does still show the mileage to Des Moines though, from Chicago. Nebraska’s control cities for I-80 is no problem. I-80 is the only interstate in the state, and most of the big towns in Nebraska are along I-80. Plus, Cheyenne is miles away and I-80 doesn’t go through Denver. Kansas goes by their towns as control cities on I-70, since Denver is far away.

@mxderate 2 года назад

Nah man. Denver from Lincoln. End of discussion.

@spellcast1391 2 года назад

I don’t like switching Control Cities? Would Quad Cities traffic go up to I-88 via I-39

@catholicactionbibleonlyist1813 2 года назад

I have been only to Chicago Westbound and Eastbound Bloomsburg is home to Bloomsburg University Marge vs the monorail is a wonderful episode

@rayizard5687 2 года назад

10:01 at the Sturgis exit you can actually see the Michigan state line sign from 80/90! 17:10 that interchange is presently missing (they tore it down and are rebuilding it)

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

I may have gone back a couple years on Street View to get it

@alexjones3511 2 года назад

I-80 West is the direction of 80 that I have the most mileage on. Took it from Cleveland all the way to I-76 which I took to Denver. Would still like to take it further one of these days. Safe to say this will be your longest video until you get to I-90. 90 will be a chore to get through compared to 80. And now that I-80 is done, looks like we’ll be getting another 2-part video! I-81 is a very long North-South route and it’ll be the last time we go into West Virginia too. We’ll also be going into upstate New York for the first time on I-81 too. Can’t wait to see that one.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Gonna be cool!

@mxderate 2 года назад

I think 90 will be a shorter vid because it doesn't go through as much big cities and it doesn't have as much bad control cities other than the Wyoming section.

@ianp1745 2 года назад

@@mxderate the 80/90 concurrency saves a lot of time as well, think that one is the longest concurrency other than maybe 20/59

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@ianp1745 80/90 is longer. 20/59 is the longest even-odd numbered concurrency.

@spellcast1391 Год назад

I-90 has a lot of good control cities. I’ve been on the Tomah to Gary(Indiana) portion and it’s well signed. Wisconsin uses Tomah West for the I-90 I-94 split. Gary is never signed and rightly so.

@elli6220 2 года назад

Dang, you're up to ~4k subscribers already? I was following since around 700, nice to see you get some more popularity!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Thanks!

@mxderate 2 года назад

I was following since around 100.

@chefssaltybawlz 2 года назад

I miss fall in NJ now cool pics. There’s 2 ways to leave jersey free, north or the secret non toll bridge in Trenton

@russellseilhamer4552 Год назад

I live in Hollidaysburg PA near Altoona. I-99 South from 80 into Centre and Blair counties is a beautiful ride through mountains. Worth checking out. Also I-81 north through Wilkes Barre and Scranton is pretty also Route 15 North to Mansfield and Wellsboro is an amazing drive. PA has its own Grand Canyon in Wellsboro. Bellefonte is the county seat of Centre, it is a quaint little town that is the actual center of PA; it is an equal distance N,S,E,W between all the borders

@courtemanche437 Год назад

Can vouch for all of this as someone who resides in Bellefonte and has spent pretty much all his life in central PA :)

@Suralin0 2 года назад

Y'know, living in PA it was something I didn't really notice as much, but uh, PennDOT is indeed extremely provincial. There's a part of me that suspects that there's a deliberate effort to de-emphasize Philly, Pittsburgh, and to a lesser extent Harrisburg, Scranton, Altoona, and the other cities in-state.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Looking at 81 stuff now, they are weirdly squirrelly about Harrisburg

@aaronswink8554 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak But they seem to sign Carlisle every chance they get. I've been through Carlisle many times. Warehouses, office parks, a few homes, and freeways. Harrisburg does seem to be left out.

@dr4782 Год назад

PennDOT gives its districts A LOT of autonomy, which probably explains some of the weird control city decisions, and definitely explains the inconsistency in pattern-accurate signage from one district to the next (Districts 3, 6, 8, 11 good; districts 1, 4, 5, 9 bad). There probably should be more state-level coordination than there is.

@AdamSmith-gs2dv 2 года назад

Can't wait for I81, know that road very well

@CaseyGpdx 9 месяцев назад

I kinda wish Portland was still on the i84 sign

@douglasschaden3475 2 года назад

You said "Laramie" so much I started jonesin' for a smoke.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

lol

@Boss-KingInc. 2 года назад

The I-25 interchange in Wyoming and the I-180 interchange in Nebraska both do something unique that I’m not used to seeing. On I-80 meeting I-25, the exits are 359A and 359C and on I-25, the exits are 8B and 8D. And on I-80 meeting I-180 in Nebraska, the whole interchange is Exit 401 with A and B being on I-80 and C and D being on I-180. It’s kind of interesting, but also bizarre and I’ve never understood it

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Oh interesting, I didn’t notice that

@chuckonwubu1458 2 года назад

The interstates that end at I-80 in Nebraska (180, 480, 680) all use I-80 exit numbering. I-76 used to use I-80 exit numbering as well, but that was changed when they redid the interchange. BTW I-76 is now signed east-west in Nebraska. Some other drivers showed this on some RU-vid videos.

@wyomingadventures Год назад

Boss King you are right about that. Good catch.

@jeffammons912 2 года назад

6:18 So the fireworks capital of America is "not a significant place," eh? Then again, I'm biased, as I have family and went to college in the area.

@dhinton1 2 года назад

19:47 that is the old 76/80 interchange view .... since its reconstruction, it's now 76 WEST, not SOUTH .... and the 76W ramp itself is to the RIGHT, not the LEFT (and about ½ mile to the east).

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Good that they finally switched the west/south thing. The new ramp isn’t on GAC yet

@dhinton1 2 года назад

and it still says 76 SOUTH!? 🤔🤔 I swear I don't remember it saying THAT ... I just rolled through there. but the video clip I shot CLEARLY does say 76 SOUTH for both overheads right before and at the interchange ...... go figure 🤔🤔

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

@@dhinton1 I’ve heard it’s west now. GSV still doesn’t show the reconfigured interchange

@mxderate 2 года назад

Fun fact: There is a mileage sign on I-80 that does mention Denver within 5 exits of the 76 junction, but there's no other mention.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Oh cool!

@AirlinkTrainsAndAviation_PACQ 9 месяцев назад

80s one of my favorite interstates

@davidv2700 Год назад

I think Nebraska made a pretty good hire in Matt Rhule. Not a good NFL coach, but a pretty good college coach.

@chuckonwubu1458 2 года назад

From the George Washington Bridge to the I-80/I-95 split, only I-80's WB control cities are listed (Paterson, with Hackensack listed on the local lanes).

@kenq1363 2 года назад

Thank you !

@dhinton1 2 года назад

the 29/480 interchange is undergoing a massive overhaul to make it high-speed. the left-hand ramps off 29N onto 480W, and from 480E onto 29N are both going away. I think it will be done in 2025 🤔

@davidfreesefan23 2 года назад

A question about the I-80/90 concurrent section in Indiana and Ohio: when you do I-90, will you be using different pictures than the ones in this video?

@SlowedByMaple 2 года назад

Wow, I feel like this is the longest Todd's The Way It Should Be so far in this channel. Honestly longer than the EB video. I-80 is a truly an American coast-to-coast route.

@Nemofishman Год назад

Wait until 90 lol.

@tylermarchand2996 Год назад

@Nemofishman I actually think I 95 will be longer. I 95 does have some desolate stretches (Savannah-Richmond), but that’ll be cancelled out by an extremely dense area between Washington and Portland.

@wyomingadventures Год назад

Good luck driving though Wyoming on Interstate 80 in the winter. It can be bad. Just look up all the pileups. Elk Mountain is notorious for being wicked in the winter. Lincoln is looking at the old 66 route that went through Wyoming.

@courtemanche437 2 года назад

Appreciate you saying State College should be the main control city signed in eastern Pennsylvania and south on 99 at the junction as a native of that town :) Looking forward to I-81 next week, am very curious to see if you'll do separate North/South videos or just do it all in one go.

@295g295 2 года назад

4:47 A sign for 'Stae College' could be confusing of which state college. -- maybe Stroudsburg, Bloomsburg, Lycoming, Clarion, ...

@zeroone8800 Год назад

I think it should be Youngstown west of Paterson. The road really should not exist as there are no cities it needs to connect in PA, but since it exists, Youngstown should be the control city.

@courtemanche437 Год назад

@@zeroone8800 Well, I don't know how I neglected to mention this for so long, but not too long after 80 meets 380, there's an exit for 476 that Todd didn't talk about for some reason (maybe he either forgot or just decided that the video was long enough without it already) which goes to Allentown and Wilkes-Barre. You could potentially sign one of those cities instead of State College, although I think even once you get past that interchange I still think 80 should be signed for SC because I personally don't think it makes any sense for Youngstown, a city of only 50K people, to be signed from nearly 300 miles away across almost the whole state of Pennsylvania, and besides, State College is not even really THAT far off of 80 anyways, definitely being closer than going to Williamsport on 180 from it. That's just my two cents though.

@mxderate Год назад

@@zeroone8800Youngstown is too small to be signed from far away. It should be Cleveland from I-95

@ericthompson749 2 года назад

At 15:52, having Cedar Rapids & Waterloo signed on the I-380 interchange in Iowa are the correct choices in both directions, however are both only signed on westbound I-80. More people are going to be taking I-380 than US-228, Cedar Rapids & Waterloo are the two major cities that 380 passes through. Also, kind of surprised about no mention of Iowa City, which is where the University of Iowa is.

@spellcast1391 2 года назад

It’s because Moline and Davenport are closer along with the former being in-state for Illinois. Although the Iowa City-Coralville area is good with the I-380 junction and things like that. I’ve heard of Iowa City before.

@wyomingadventures Год назад

University of Iowa is a good college city. I have Iowa family there and in west Des Moines. There is a lot of road construction in Des Moines now.

@SpongeTracks37 2 года назад

Can't wait for the 81 episode next week!

@CrystalClearWith8BE 2 года назад

Todd, this gives me an idea for signing Pennsylvania and New Jersey cities in both directions without a need of montage for long distances. Nice suggestion for signing Pennsylvania cities. I even edited my comment of signing cities in the I-80 video. Eastbound: •State College, PA •Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA •Stroudsburg, PA •New Jersey | New York City •New York City Westbound: •Patterson, NJ •Stroudsburg, PA •Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA •State College, PA •Youngstown, OH

@mxderate 2 года назад

He was only talking about westbound. Eastbound he said it should be New York City all the way. And, I agree with him going EB.

@briancatanzaro6053 2 года назад

I think the lists for both directions are fine. The idea is to have control cities that people go to or know well enough as guideposts for travel. States can get into "advertising" cities as opposed to listing true control cities.

@CrystalClearWith8BE 2 года назад

For me, westbound I-80 must sign cities as these follows: -Patterson, NJ •Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA •State College, PA •Youngstown, OH •Cleveland •Toledo, OH •Indiana | •Chicago •Chicago •Quad Cities (Moline-Rock Island, IL) •Iowa City, IA •Des Moines, IA -Council Bluffs, IA | •Omaha, NE •Omaha, NE •Lincoln, NE •North Platte, NE •Cheyenne, WY | >Denver •Cheyenne, WY •Larmie, WY •Salt Lake City -Elko, NV | •Reno, NV •Reno, NV •Sacramento, CA •San Francisco

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@CrystalClearWith8BE Solid.

@CrystalClearWith8BE 2 года назад

I updated my idea. After Patterson, NJ, it's Stroudsburg, PA and then Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA. I can't believe I forgot to put Stroudsburg in there.

@danangell5482 2 года назад

I have no disputes with any of your control city choices.

@kosjeyr 2 года назад

At least the overhead signs for 80 West in Illinois don't say Joliet like they do going east.

@danhobson2879 Год назад

The Joliet signage is the secondary control at non-interstate entrance ramps. You will not find Joliet used on the mainline as an overhead unlike Clarion and Sharon in Pennsylvania. Besides, Joliet is a legit city on it's own. It only got absorbed into Chicagoland sprawl in the last 30 years. The city has 150k.

@jacindaspeaks 8 месяцев назад

Didn’t scroll the comments, but the PA towns are “Bell-Font” and “Do-Boys” (very unfortunate pronunciation change, I know.) I’ve driven every mile of this road from NYC to San Francisco (except the piece in Ohio from Youngstown to Cleveland.

@Yeagermeister08 2 месяца назад

My "The Way It Should Be" for I-80 is East : Oakland Redding/Sacramento (Until I-505) Sacramento Reno Salt Lake City Laramie/Denver (Until US 40) Laramie Cheyenne North Platte Kearney Grand Island Lincoln Omaha Des Moines Iowa City Quad Cities Chicago South Bend Elkhart Toledo Youngstown/Cleveland (Until I-90 split) Youngstown/Pittsburgh (Until I-76) Youngstown (Until I-680) Wilkes-Barre/New York (Until I-81) Newark/New York (Until I-280) New York West : Scranton (Until I-380) State College (Until I-99) Youngstown Akron/Cleveland (Until I-76) Cleveland (Until I-480) Toledo Elkhart South Bend Chicago Quad Cities (Until I-74) Iowa City Des Moines Omaha Lincoln Grand Island Kearney North Platte Cheyenne/Denver (Until I-76) Cheyenne Laramie Ogden/Salt Lake City (Until I-84) Salt Lake City Reno Sacramento Oakland/San Francisco San Francisco

@ControlCityFreak 2 месяца назад

Pretty good, but I'd absolutely drop Elkhart in both directions, even South Bend is iffy. I'd skip Laramie eastbound too.

@samseddmedia 2 года назад

I like how they don't sign Lyman on I-80 Westbound.

@highway2heaven91 2 года назад

It is on a mileage sign with nearby Ft. Bridger at one point, although I don’t know if it’s still there.

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@highway2heaven91 oh no

@samseddmedia 2 года назад

However, I saw an exit sign on I-85 Southbound past Spartanburg SC, and it signs US 29 LYMAN!!!

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@samseddmedia That's not bad for a US Highway.

@paulbrower4265 Год назад

The Great Lakes-Mississippi River divide goes through Chicago itself.

@JessicaKasumi1990 2 года назад

You can't do Street View on the GWB due to security reasons. Same reason you can't view select bridges in the NYC area. Security reasons were raised due to 9/11.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

I was guessing it was because of that, but still seems weird since the tunnels have steetview

@JessicaKasumi1990 2 года назад

Just depends on the tunnel, especially if they're close to the World Trade Center site.

@yellowcar423 2 года назад

I can't wait for 85, 90 and 95!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Will be cool!

@MrTwarner 2 года назад

The mess of an I-80/I-99 interchange that exists should be fixed when the high-speed interchange is finished in 2026. I'm sure PennDOT will still plaster control cities with populations

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Not sure yet. I've reused concurrency pics before but always with new audio

@dhinton1 2 года назад

A the sign at 10:33 has to be temporary due to construction. I'm pretty sure that the permanent signage will have Gary/Toll Road and Indianapolis as the control cities for 65, and Chicago as the control city for 80/94/US6

@spellcast1391 Год назад

Des Moines is a awful pick.

@spellcast1391 Год назад

Gary should be the I-65 Control City once I-80/I-94 is reached from the south(Lafayette, Indy).

@spellcast1391 Год назад

Joliet I’d prefer more over Des Moines. I prefer closer places that aren’t provincial

@RFE812 Год назад

@@spellcast1391 Joliet & Gary are suburban Chicago, Thus they would make terrible choices for Primary controls on I-80. Joliet works for I-355 though. As does Gary on I-294.

@tonybordonaro9066 2 года назад

New castle is a trucker town, so that is the reasoning behind signing new castle

@pickleme 2 года назад

Did we wake him up for burger king? No. Did we buy him a whopper? Also, no. 😂🤣

@barryhostetler1897 Год назад

No comments about the deepest Quarry near South Holland, Illinois between I-94 Leave I-80 and the I-80 Leaving I-294

@ControlCityFreak Год назад

I had something but cut it for time

@jimcoddington4100 Год назад

5:51 Sharon looks bigger than it sounds, but it’s almost like a suburb of Youngstown, so Sharon is a weird choice

@reddhead2948 2 года назад

I'm looking forward to I-81

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

So am I!

@Jacob-pt5xz 10 месяцев назад

I-80 is the best East/West Interstate personally it also ends Perfectly at I-95 my #1 interstate

@brucetelfeyan 2 года назад

Kudos to the Ohio Turnpike for non-provincial control cities!

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

So much better than the “Thru Traffic” they used when I drove that road often in the early ‘00s

@mxderate 2 года назад

Ohio in general does a solid job. Marietta and Lodi bring them down a lot.

@chuckonwubu1458 2 года назад

The Ohio Turnpike does a pretty good job. A lot of the legacy toll roads do their own thing, although in fairness, some are in the process of changing their signage.

@aaronreinsmith6136 2 года назад

"Grand island shouldn't be the control city because it's a long way off I-80" Proceeds to say Denver should be the control city when it's 170 miles from I-80. I can see Cheyenne, but using your logic, it should not be Denver. Edited to add Scranton and State College. Both are further off 80 than Grand Island, yet you want those. I really wish you understood why some control cities are marked as they are. I get garbage towns like Dubois and Clarion. But Hazelton and Bellefonte are actually good choices.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Denver, Scranton, and State College (eventually) are directly on the Interstate highway system, and are much larger and more well known than Grand Island, which is not directly on any Interstate.

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak I'm not a fan of State College but the other 2 make sense.

@im4hlhs273 Год назад

They are actually planning to widen I80 to 6 lanes between Lincoln and Grand Island. The first leg begins in 2024.

@dhinton1 2 года назад

The control cities on the overhead signage for 80 at the 355 interchange should be Gary and Des Moines, but I believe the Tollway would have to update that (not IDOT). The control cities for 80 at the 57 and 55 interchanges should have been updated at some point in the last 30 years. lol

@theawesomer8587 2 года назад

The way I think it should be: Paterson, Scranton, State College, Youngstown/Cleveland, Cleveland Toledo, South Bend/Chicago, Davenport, Des Moines, Omaha, Denver, Cheyenne, Lyman, SLC, Reno, Sacramento/San Francisco, Oakland/San Francisco, San Francisco.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Solid.

@mxderate 2 года назад

Lyman? 😂

@markwilson4078 2 года назад

Wait… you think Lyman should be signed westbound? 😂

@spellcast1391 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak I’d use Lincoln instead of Denver, and no Lyman

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

@@spellcast1391 Yeah I’d go Lincoln then Denver

@drivingbritt9617 Год назад

Ah man, all the potential control cities that they could sign on I-80 West at its east end. Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle. They could get away with signing any of these cities at the east end of 80 W, because 80 is the fastest way to get to all of these cities from New York. 80 truly is the most important east-west interstate in America because it is the fastest link between New York and all of these big cities. :)

@Jr.samples 6 месяцев назад

9:41 You should see the new Indiana welcome signs

@ControlCityFreak 6 месяцев назад

I’ve got it in the 275 vid

@Jr.samples 6 месяцев назад

I don’t care for the new one. The old one and even the one before that was better.

@sunshinelolipops1 Год назад

I-80 doesn't go near Scranton though. 380 is a totally seperate road that branches off and it's still another 30-40 miles north to get there. It's kind of like if they signed I-80 for Allentown because it's 30-40 miles south. Williamsport is only a couple miles off of I-80 so it makes more sense than Scranton. Bloomsburg is also a popular university in PA and a big destination point along 80 so it would make sense to have it on a sign. Bellefonte (pronounced "Bellfont") is another popular suburb outside of State College and most people from the region have heard of it.

@DMAN_2314 2 года назад

Dave's The Way it Should Be for Westbound 80: Patterson Scranton (until 380) State College (until 99) Youngstown Cleveland Toledo South Bend/Chicago (until US-31) Chicago Quad Cities Des Moines Omaha Lincoln Cheyenne/Denver (until 76) Cheyenne/Laramie Laramie Yellowstone NP (until US-191) Salt Lake City Reno (until the 15/80 split) Boise/Reno (until 95) Reno (after 95) Sacramento San Francisco After Lincoln I would do both Denver and Cheyenne as duo control cities because not everybody is going to Denver, some may be going to Cheyenne or places in the PNW. The reason for making Yellowstone as a control city is based on the argument I made on the 66 video about Shenandoah NP being the control city, well Yellowstone is obviously a famous National Park so signing Yellowstone until US-191 makes perfect sense because Yellowstone travelers toward the park would be more concerned about the direction the highways takes them to than they are about Rock Springs or for that matter SLC.

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Solid

@mxderate 2 года назад

No Paterson but I agree otherwise.

@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak grand island,Kearney,interstate 76 are are control areas on westbound 80,it’s the same on east bound

@DMAN_2314 2 года назад

@@mxderate Paterson I'm fine with going eastbound it's the largest city 80 passes through it's got 145k+ people so at least going westbound it's fine.

@spellcast1391 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak No Laramie until after I-180

@c.t.turner2123 2 года назад

Here's where I-80 really should've began in the East, Calverton N.Y. ( Eastern Long Island) I-80 could take over I-495 (L.I.E.) to to the Current I-295. 80 from the L.I.E. would switch to the current I-295 and would jointly run with I-95 across the GW Bridge to its current path to the west coast. The rest of I-495 to Manhattan could be renumbered to I-480. Typical Illinois to toll a small portion of road.

@ErikCB912 2 года назад

I grew up on Long Island and that would be dumb and make no sense. Having I-80 come to an abrupt end in Riverhead would be the worst ending of any interstate, especially a behemoth interstate like 80. The only ending that would be worse would be I-70 in Baltimore. Also none of your suggestions come close the original plan for 495 (or the LIE as Long Islanders call it). I-495 was originally supposed to start off of 95 in NJ and go into the Lincoln tunnel (currently NJ-495), then go either through or under midtown Manhattan (never built) to the mid town tunnel. From there it would go into Long Island (currently LIE) and then cross a bridge or tunnel into CT where it would reconnect with it’s parent interstate 95 (never built). Just to throw in another fun fact since you mentioned I-295, I-295 (or Clear View Expressway as the locals call it) was supposed to be the end stretch of I-78. I-78 was supposed go through the Holland Tunnel, then across lower Manhattan and over the Williamsburg bridge into Brooklyn. That’s where it would meet I-278 for the second time (278 was originally supposed to start from 78 in Springfield, NJ) where it would then go to JFK airport where it would meet I-678 for the first time. Then it would make its way to II-295’s current route over the Throgs Neck bridge and it would terminate at the Buckner interchange where it would meet 278, 678, and 95.

@c.t.turner2123 2 года назад

@@ErikCB912 Every Road has an ending. Route 25 is where the road currently ends and Long Island doesn't continue too much farther east.

@roadgeek1961 2 года назад

Most of the Interstates that end with 0 usually end @ I 95. 10 95 in Jacksonville, 20 95 in Florence South Carolina, I 40 was originally end @ 95 in North Carolina, I 70 was supposed to be I 95 in Baltimore, I 80 fort Lee, and I 90 originally end @ i 93 and I 95 in Boston I 95 was canceled in Boston.

@c.t.turner2123 2 года назад

@@roadgeek1961 Don't forget I-64, that services a Metropolitan area well east of I-95. Look to the West Coast I-8 I-10, and I-80 go beyond I-5. I-90 runs 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile west of I-5. I-55 ending at U.S. 41 is a bit disappointing. Green Bay would be a nice choice but it is what it is.

@ErikCB912 2 года назад

@@c.t.turner2123 yes every road has an ending and I-80’s ending is at I-95 just outside of New York City which is where it belongs. I-495 is an auxiliary interstate and its ending is in Riverhead which is ok for a road of its caliber. And it doesn’t end at NY-25 it ends at county road 58/Old Country Road.

@MrChilili 2 года назад

If an interstate has a control city it’s gonna be what city it goes to. Like in Lincoln, it would never say Denver because I-80 doesn’t get close to denver Edit: also in some places of the country, local places matter more and in others, bigger places matter more

@gumbyshrimp2606 2 года назад

Yeah not sure why he was mad about Grand Island being 20 miles away when Denver is 200

@ControlCityFreak 2 года назад

Getting to Denver doesn't involve making a movement. You drive more or less straight and at speed.

@AdamSmith-gs2dv 2 года назад

@@ControlCityFreak You have to get off onto I76 though. That's why they don't sign it

@highway2heaven91 2 года назад

@@AdamSmith-gs2dv You have to exit off of the mainline of 80 to continue going west as the mainline of 80 becomes 76. I think the Control City on 80 should be Cheyenne west of Lincoln though.

@mxderate 2 года назад

@@highway2heaven91 Nah man. Denver is bigger than Cheyenne. In fact, bigger than any Nebraska and Wyoming city. I find it weird how people just aren't okay with control cities that the Interstate doesn't actually go to.

@jacejackson8585 Год назад

They should sign Cheyenne

@RFE812 Год назад

Yes Nebraska should sign Cheyenne from Big Springs but not from Lincoln due to I-76 & Denver, but I have seen Nebraska mention both Cheyenne & Denver on some mileage charts between Lincoln & Big Springs though.

@dyhrdmet Год назад

spoken as a local, I-80 West in NJ should be Patterson, Parsippany (which has both I-280 and the exit for I-287, which has that mini local/express config), there has to be another city in NJ, and then Delaware Water Gap (spell it out). But Delaware Water Gap is an actual borough in PA, and being on the border, it does make sense to be there, but maybe should say "Delaware Water Gap, PA".

@ControlCityFreak Год назад

Why does there have to be another city in NJ? 80 only has 68 miles in the state.