Interview with a Severely Disturbed Killer 17 Years Later | Criminal Lawyer Reacts 

I hope you’re living a great life now, friend.

Thank you for helping the strays

Thank you for your service

That's great... but not everyone is affected in the same way. Differences in genetics,personality, etc.

@@taliaasims😂

That's the exact situation with me and my sister. I don't touch any drugs or alcohol because of my parents but my sister smokes weed and drinks because of my parents. It's really a sad situation to be honest. From my point of view it's very very lonely because it feels like I'm the only one there both mentally and physically. Like a ghost almost

Twist is the 2nd brother was drunk and in denial.

Yes. I know individuals in both situations. It really is something how different they can be.

EXACTLY decisions!!!

Have your own podcast.

That is sad. It's like he killed her because she was close. No one else let him close enough to do it.

Not just her, a good part of his enviroment did the very things he said they should have done. And the rejection he laments about was likely a result of others seeing him as dangerous or at least creepy.

As a girl you can do whatever you want, it's still wrong. You are either a b... that had it coming or too naive and should have chosen better friends. While it's always the violent guy's decision and responsibility.

No no she played him she sent him mixed signals because she liked the attention but did want to date him because of how it would make her look. They strig guys like this along and give them just enough hope to think something could happen. We all know girls that do thi stuff and it can drive someone insane. Not excusing what he did but I am saying this stuff happens and it's cruel.

​@youtubebannedme4207 bruh huh? She did none of that shit I've seen the whole case. She told him no that she had a boyfriend and he took it to the offense. What he dumbass needed to do was move on the hell out go find someone else. You don't result murdering someone over a damn rejection.

Aww bless... Wish healing for you

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This made me so sad to read, I'm so sorry about your poor mom and I hope you've been able to find some peace in among all the grief. I went through something similarly traumatic a few years back - it caused me to have a breakdown & I tried to end my own life twice in 6 months. I'm still recovering from things the same as you, and I have also spent the longest time grieving the old me, wishing I could just find her again and go back to how I used to be. But I think we need to be careful - if we focus too much on who we were and how much we miss that version of ourselves, there's a risk we'll start to feel resentful of the person who we are today. And if you think about it, does she really deserve that? She didn't ask to be here either. And yet the person she turned out to be is all you've got now - doesn't she deserve a chance to show you that she's worth loving too? Shouldn't you treat her with the same patience and kindness that you'd give to a friend who asked for your help? Have you *really* taken the time to get to know the person you are today? what smells makes her smile, where does she feel most at home, what music brings her peace, what does she dream of doing, what small goals are a big deal to her etc etc. Basically, I sometimes get so lost in the past and in my grief, that I want to reject the girl I see in the mirror today. I don't want her so I don't like her. But then one day it'll hit just me - that the new versions of us are worthy of love too, and they're going to do amazing, beautiful things ❤ xxx

@@Jordan_Starr Wow! This is one of the most insightful and wise comments I’ve ever seen online. Bless you and everything you do. All the best.

​@Jordan_Starr , thank you for your words and contribution, they are appreciated much more, and by many, than you may ever understand.

Her only mistake was being nice to the piece of shit who murdered her

I’m so sorry. That’s got to be so hard to get through. My heart breaks for you and your family. I couldn’t imagine! I pray for you!

sorry for your loss deeply.

Jesus. I’m so sorry. I hope you healed and found some peace ❤

Wat prison is he in?

Ok?

Narcissistic personalities at their best.

U guys get your psychiatrist degrees at walmart?

Pretty sure he won’t ever be released.

Honestly, remorse is just something prisoners do at their parole hearing. I'd prefer that they make ammends and atone for their crimes than make cheap apologies.

@@jujubean54ifyyou’d be surprised

@@hj-ls8pcyou guys love to use this card, give me 5 examples, of the same or similar magnitude, where they were released . You can’t 😂shut up buster

@@JDogggg69people without remorse don’t take actions to make amends because they don’t care about what they did

Exactly! It’s crazy sickening,listening to him make excuses and blame everything, everone, than himself. Zero accountability or Remorse!! Psycho.

I know right?! Holy shit time is flying 😢

OMG, I didn't even do that math - HOLY COW... 😐😐😵‍💫😵‍💫

My head: the early 80s. We were all latchkey kids.

​@@jenniferedwards1752except we didn't need a key because nobody locked their door, at least where I grew up

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So how do you punish a person that doesn't know they're being punished.....

You made the right choice, even if it was painful for both of you at the time. I'm proud that your son learned from that and straightened out. Best wishes to you and your son.

@@wolfe6220 Thankyou so much 🥰

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Draper sounds like a Public Relations Chief Executive Officer when he talks about himself. He expresses himself with possible signs of some type of personality disorder; at best. Very frightening and sad.

My son was shocked when I turned him in. I had warned him if he ever laid a hand on his little sister I wouldn’t hesitate. He was 15 she was 10. One morning as they were getting in the car for school he slapped her across the face. She didn’t touch him. I told him then. You’ll be in juvenile hall before the day is over. He laughed at me. The sheriff picked him up at school, walked him out in handcuffs. he spent 6 weeks in J. H. Came home with an ankle monitor. Remanded to probation, drug court and what I wanted ultimately, therapy. It cost me a TON of money and time. We had probation officers coming to the house twice a day and some didn’t do their jobs. I’d hold their feet to the fire. I wanted my kid held accountable now while he was a kid before he turned 18 and would be tossed into the prison system. My son is 39 now. He’s struggled with substance abuse but is clean and has never been to prison. He’s an amazing artist, an empathetic counselor and friend. I have a deep respect for him but we’ve had our times of estrangement. It took him a long time to understand why I did what I did when he was 15 but he has told me it’s probably what has kept him out of prison. I don’t think he has yet comprehended how hard it was to do it and stick by my decision. I didn’t come from a family that did that. Just the opposite in fact but my brothers and my sons bio dad were all convicts too. I wanted better for my son.

Exactly, he doesn’t give one shit about Cassie

I was thinking the same thing.

He hasnt gained one bit of wisdom or maturity

​@@kittyroxsA psychopath isn't going to gain any of that.

Absolutely, you hear the glee in his voice. What a fucker!!!!

He was not abused. Sociopath.

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Exactly, for all of us who love Bruce and content genius Michael. It’s very brave of Bruce to share this with his audience. I applaud him. My baby brother took his own life in 2013, not a day goes by that I do not think of him.

​@@jujubean54ifyCondolences for your loss. All my siblings have passed and I think about them regularly....

@@jujubean54ifyI’m so sorry. My dad took part in the Normandy invasion in 1944. He was only 19. He saw such horrific sights, that he tried to drink away the memories. He took his own life in 1979. I miss him so much, but at my age, I know I’ll see him and my mother very soon.

That’s what followers do

It's pretty messed up isn't it? 17 years later and he's still making excuses. I can't believe that he spent 17 years in prison already. He's been sitting there thinking about what he did for all that time, and he has no feelings of responsibility over what he did, and all his insight is just focusing on blaming someone else.

Torey was railroaded by the system & was lumped together as the same person as Ryan, even though he’s innocent. You should read the book ‘The Guilty Innocent’ by Shanon Adamcik.

@@macysondheim How can you say Torrey is innocent ? He was there, there’s all the video saying what he did.

IMHO and Based on working in child and adolescent mental health for 20 years, my superficial/ initial thoughts are….. Torrey was most likely the orchestrator, brains and controller behind the plan, he’s the one writing it down and dictating the story when they’re sat at the table, if Torrey told Brian to shut up, Brian would have shut up. Brian was the wannabe hero worshipper to Torrey trying immaturely and too hard to impress him. This combination of needy personalities feeding each other will always have some potential for absolute disaster. They are equally culpable for different reasons. If they were released, I would bet that Torrey would reoffend and find a new accomplice OR the 2 of them would reconnect and reoffend (depending how deep the connection is between them despite Brian’s minimising of it and Torrey being smart enough to stay quiet) As hard as it may be, Torreys mother needs to wake up to reality and accept her child’s role and responsibility in this, minimising and making excuses for him is likely to have played a part in his inability to think about or accept that consequences apply to him, and have left him with a belief of being insulated against consequences, which can increase rage and dangerousness when he realises he isn’t.

At least they can’t breed!

I was recently checking out Pocatello. Do you happen to know which high school they went to? And which movie theater they claimed to be at?

Exactly. He sounds like he's repeating the therapist's words.

Re: parroting therapy-- Ed Kemper was the king of doing that, but he was intelligent enough to understand that he shouldn't be let out of prison, denied parole hearings and has *some* empathy for his victims.

I'm sorry about your family's loss, heartbreaking. It is typical narcissistic tactic to adapt to therapy and fake feelings.

I was thinking the same thing . Just repeating the therapist word.

@@nancywright2680 they learn how to adapt their response. Narcs are good at faking behavior which is strange bc they don't consider that their behavior is wrong.

That's you. But the extent to which a child’s stress response to adversity becomes toxic and leads to serious health and mental health problems in adulthood also depends on the child’s biological makeup (e.g., genetic vulnerabilities, prior experiences that have damaged the stress response system or limited healthy gene expression) and the characteristics of the adverse events or conditions (e.g., intensity, duration, whether a caregiver caused the child harm).

@@awkwardautistic I have ADHD and clinical depression, so it’s not like I came out of it unscathed. Also, the point is that the guy who committed murder is trying to blame his childhood experiences instead of taking any accountability for decisions he made. HE chose to callously murder someone. The majority of people with similar childhoods have not murdered anyone. Regardless of the circumstances, he made choices that led to him committing murder. Instead of acknowledging that, he told us a story of his complicated childhood in an effort to garner sympathy from the audience and distance himself from his crime.

Weird, I had the same upbringing, took care of my little brother. Only difference was I was a bone skinny boy, but everything else matches

​@@beetotheteeI agree,, many MANY people have kinda,, whatever issues that lead to unfortunate experiences in their high school years but obviously don't do violent things... I suppose the "I came from a dysfunctional family" narrative is bound to haunt social media chats forever but it's notable that a lot of people who commit heinous crimes came from basically a functional family... That's a lot harder to just trot out in a bio on a school shooter or someone like sycho sam, the weird "horrorcore" guy who actually came from a pretty good family but went on to bludgeon four people, including two teen girls with a wood splitting axe... The mom of one of the Columbine shooters has gone on to do extensive social media activity calling attention to the problems of gun control and teens access to guns and the potentially deadly effects of school bullying etc etc ... Although people questioned her motives for imo pretty sensibly using her 15 minutes to call attention to vital social problems and basically donating whatever profits she made to some kind of Charity or something,, a rational observer should probably conclude that she's at least trying to give something back for what her son took and in my opinion anyway, that makes her probably a pretty good parent....

@@beetothetee He was answering the questions he was being asked.

George Carlin talked about swimming in the Hudson River growing up. It was when Polio had no cure & was not uncommon. He noticed that none of his friends ever got Polio, “because we went swimming in raw sewage! We were tempered with raw shit!”

@@EMurph42 my grandmother often suggested the river wasn't polluted till is kids started using it. At least we avoided the sewage pipe from the local steel plant dumping into it.

Wow.. you must be a genius. To be able to diagnose someone so quickly.. just listening to one short interview, is very impressive.

americans should be very quiet when talking about justice

@@thejumper7282 Why?

@@thejumper7282Americans have a responsibility to not only serve justice in our own country, but justice around the globe as well. Because terrorists & savages often go unchallenged in other countries, & in many cases are even allowed to prosper & flourish. # 🇺🇸

Yeah 99 percent of people have Some Chance of being redeemed. He's the other 1 percent.

I noticed that camera shake too 😞

How do you hug a RU-vid video?

I didn’t know that. Thank you. My heart goes out to them.

@@TSWaves1he said “content genious” not RU-vid video. Content creator is the person making the video.. that’s who they want to hug

@@TSWaves1 that’s what he calls his son.

Wow, you’re so strong. Both of my parents were abusive to me but your mom doing that is unreal. I’m so happy she apologized! Much respect and love to you. Thanks for sharing.

Your mom sounds really sick. Big hugs to you and I'm glad you're okay now. I'm glad your mom apologised but what she did would make me say you should keep your guard up with her, I don't think a good person would even think that never mind threaten or do it. Hugs❤

My dad was in the Pacific war during WWII, he was forever damaged. He was awful to us kids. My mom eventually divorced him. When years later, I ran into people who raved about what a great person he was, I was shocked and surprised. I never knew that person! However, he died, lonely and distanced from all of us. 9/11 was the event that broke him. He had massive embolisms, and DROVE himself from Zapata to frickin Laredo, where he was airlifted to San Antonio, and they tried to patch him up. Then he was moved to the Veterans hospital. This was in Kerrville, where he died. My oldest brother called me from Iowa, said he was gone. Much to my surprise, I said, I want to see him. Brother said, Nah, let the VA take care of him. I drove to Kerrville from Austin, and claimed his body, had him cremated. I spent two nights with my big Malamute for company, sat at the funeral parlor and cried my eyes out for the person he could have been. Since he and my mom had been divorced for decades, I had to contact all my eight siblings to get them agree that it was okay to have him cremated. Their responses were mostly heartbreaking, my youngest brother suggesting I should “throw that piece of shit into the Rio Grande”. I kept half of his ashes, I never told any of my siblings. Sorry this is so long, thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

@@jujubean54ifyIt’s not a Ted talk, it wasn’t too long. I’m very sorry you had to experience all that and that your father’s experiences in the Pacific ruined him. I hope seeing him and arranging for his cremation helped you.

​@@jujubean54ifyIt doesn't matter how or why you chose to honor your father after his death...it matters only that you did. It matters most that you were capable. My own dad was an angry SOB. He could never admit he was wrong and never said, I'm sorry.... my mom did it for him which oddly made me mad at her. I realized, before he passed, that he was full of fear and battled all of his life to prove he had no fear. I actually felt sorry for him. Being able to accept him as he was made his last years bearable, for both of us. I've been sober 26 yrs and it's only bc I learned to accept life on life's terms. My own kids have the benefit of that. Part of me is grateful I was a drunk bc it brought me so low I had to admit i was spiritually bankrupt. I'm glad you've figured out how to live in a way that finds you comfortable in your own skin. 😊

im similar its hard

How right you are. I'll be 70 next month and I learned yrs ago to count blessings, own my shit, apologize when needed and respect yourself. Raised 3 girls and taught them that sometimes when someone doesn't like you, it's a compliment, expectations of anyone are resentments in the making and.... Life isn't always short...it can be very long...make the best of it. They who laugh, LAST.

I agree!!

Michael has excellent instincts! What I really love is Bruce’s adoration & honest respect for his son. What a great idea as a father son project? I sense they never had expectations of this much success, just a father/son project.. And they have a golden play button! Hot damn!

This one just makes me sick.

I have a short attention span so i'm a 20 to 40 minutes guy :) but this was good

So sorry bruce😢😢

Good on you for questioning your intentions. There is a really thin line with true crime that we walk, I think we need to be informed without being exploitative. For me that means limiting the amount of true crime content I watch to a minimum. I used to consume it constantly and it didn't help me and only added to the exploitative tendencies of true crime journalism

Luke's change of intention good is. Killer seeking attention phase ends, commoner ability to analyze to learn dangers to better protect self and those loved begins.

People need to see so they can recognize the signs in those around them in order to keep themselves safe.

This guy isn't "evil", he's what's called a sociopath. They have a neurological difference in their brain and are considered neurodivergent. Many of them also suffer from mood disorders (depression, bipolar, anxiety) or substance use disorders, or other various mental health disorders such as a cluster one (schizoid, paranoid, schizophrenia) He's of average intelligence, he's got a lot of narcissistic traits because he doesn't know how to cope with feelings of shame and guilt, he scapegoats, he engages in criminal acts. He detaches from his reality, he compartmentalizes different facets of his life in order to keep everything from getting tangled together and messing up his cons. He doesn't even realize that he's conning people, he believes in these lies that he tells people. And his mind, it's his version of what happened. It's his ego's way of protecting his identity, and also keeping his exterior personality intact, that narcissistic do good or who's making a positive change. And it's not to say that he doesn't want to make a positive change, he might want to but he will have a very difficult time learning how to do that with a narcissistic personality disorder because they must learn how to accept feelings of shame and inadequacy, and embrace them. Not just embrace them, but integrate them into their own personality via shadow work, and most people with narcissistic personality disorder uneven self-aware enough nor humble enough to say that they have something that they view as a flaw, like a cluster b personality disorder. Lol By the way I'm not excusing this guy, I'm just rationally explaining what's going on with him. I think he's a piece of s*** and regardless of what's going on there's no excuse for it. That's what sucks about those type of personality disorder is, the people can really just be f***** up, and it's hard to deal with them. It is almost impossible to get them to change. They'll always say that they're going to when they want something. Especially when they want to beat court or get back with a partner.

28:20 exactly. And what he just said to try to justify his behavior, what he just said that Bruce called out as being so f***** up, this guy actually believes that it's a valid justification. That's why he sounds so deadpan and he honestly believes in it when he says it. He's shocked that we don't agree with him, he thinks that we're the f***** up once! They have a crazy sense of morals. That's why they're called antisocial, because their morals are not the same as the rest of societies. They actually are extremely social and can be very charming. They're super exciting, for the most part. The ocean gate guy with the submersible -that guy was a psychopath, they're similar to a sociopath, only they function on a higher level and can usually obtain some measure of success. They're usually extremely intelligent in some arenas, and above average intelligence in most others. Sociopaths will find jobs where they can get power, like in law enforcement, working security, bouncers at a club, those type of positions. Psychopaths are generally able to hyperfocus and have special interests and obsessions, similar to autistic people. Oftentimes a psychopath can be found in the operating room working on a patient's brain or heart, working on child patients, working as judges as well, working as lawyers, working as high functioning CEOs and other positions within the c suite of various different corporations. It's good to have psychopaths in these positions because they have a very keen sense of logic, they can put their emotions on the back burner in order to do jobs that somebody who's emotionally bound to maybe to caught up to do correctly. For instance, somebody who's works with terminally ill children would benefit from being a psychopath because they're not the type of person who's going to go home at the end of the long day and break down in tears, and have to talk to a counselor about what's going on at work and stuff like most people would. I know I had to leave working in mental health after it over 10 years because I got so burnt out. I'm autistic and I get overwhelmed easily. Psychopaths are extremely charming and they love to get ahead of everyone else. They often will obtain the best things in life because they're extremely narcissistic. Not every narcissist is on the antisocial personality disorder spectrum (sociopath and psychopath), but every sociopath has at least one or two narcissistic traits to an extent, and every psychopath has npd, either covert or grandiose. All of them lie, all of them believe in their own lies, all of them have maladaptive coping strategies when it comes to dealing with the bigger emotions that cause them shame, guilt, inadequacy, and embarrassment. This is why they behave in the ways that they do. It all stems from this feeling of inner rejection because they've never been taught how to cope with it, or even if they have been taught, they may have a neurological issue that causes these deep set, unfounded feelings of self-consciousness and anxiety. In some patients that I've worked with, the individual is deluded by the act of deflecting accountability (which is done subconsciously in most cases, in order to avoid any type of potential embarrassment or shame) to the point where the person suffering from the personality disorder does not even realize it, it's just their natural state of being, and so they live in a perpetual on flex of shielding their identity with their ego.

Just fyi - that is the mother of the other kid involved, so just a whole bunch of winners I guess.

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I had to rewind that bit. I so sorry Rivers.

@@jonathanshaw7355same I rewatched it like 4 times just to make sure he wasn’t just trying to give a random example! 😞

It’s so tragic. Love to your brother and to Cassie’s family.

This case has always broken my heart, it was so unbelievably senseless! I hope your brother, her family, and everyone who knew her is healing

I’m sorry you experienced this horrible tragic crime. You are the ripples Bruce spoke of in these murders. It effects so many

Yes I'm sending prayers to all y'all also 😢

Oh wow, horrible.

Me too I never knew that about him that would have to be an horrific thing to have happen. I have lost close friends to suicide the toll it takes on their families is heartbreaking there is a lot of sadness and guilt that haunts the people closest to them. Glad to see both Bruce and Michael have bounced back and now have a close relationship and have a successful and happy life now as a lawyer and RU-vid celebrity influencing millions of people.

Assuming it's Michaels mother? He's mentioned being divorced before, this could be a different wife

It was Michael's mother so let us be nice never an easy road ...

@@barleychaser1 Mr Rivers basically says that it Michael’s mother.

Sounds like he's just trying to explain how it happened. We don't get to hear the questions that were asked... which would make a big difference.

​@@awkwardautisticSTILL NO Accountability.

I've seen other interviews with this guy and he seemed somewhat genuine in his remorse in other interviews I've seen from years ago. That being said the other guy is a weasel.

@@awkwardautistic The questions really wouldn’t make a big difference for me. It still sounds to me like he has more work to do in coming to terms with his active participation. It comes off as an attempt to make excuses for an inexcusable act.

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The attorneys' goal is to represent their client to the best of their ability. It's not easy. You have to separate yourself from the client and focus on the goal.

Accurate af 🤣🤣😂

Some of us just never felt like we deserved better, I'm sorry sister. I'm a '58 model, still doing for others.

Thats a good view of him. Dark. Im like you. To dark for me

@@dianabranham7332 Agreed, I have to protect what I put in my mind. I know there's evil out there but this one is too disturbing.

Okay little butterfly close your eyes 😂

@@Sx10ix6 Why? I have the off button... Love butterflies 🦋 If that was an insult, it's terrible.

I agree, I don't want to watch this. I do like the channel, but listening to insanity is hard.

Same. I grew up in a shit hole situation, and I flew out of there ASAP 18 years old thinking I could be a movie star! I literally came to Hollywood! I have never lived like trash my whole life. I’ve been a health nut, taken care of myself, and always offeredoffer something positive to my communities.

You’re not missing something, they are. They’re completely missing the capacity for empathy, because they’re psychopaths.

Right -me too

Me too! My father left when I was 4 to drink his life away at a beach park with his buddies. Yet I was the only one there to hold his hand when he died. He never talked to me unless I would find him at the beach park. My mother is cold and no love for me, left the house at 15 and put myself through college. Now she is lonely and wants to be a grandma to my boy, so funny, she has no remorse and somehow forgot how she treated her own kids.

Omg how stupid can kids get?!

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So to summarize, alternative school is completely pointless.

@@miketexas4549I went to an alternative school and it was the only reason I graduated high school. The small classes, the one-on-one interaction with teachers, and the care and compassion shown to us students was life-changing. I still stay in touch with my teachers today and I graduated in 1995. So no, alternative school is not pointless. Teachers can only do so much. When kids are outside of school hours, it’s also their parents and other authority figures responsible to guide the child as well. You can’t blame a school for not being able to control a kids entire life.

Campus police appreciated your weekend prompts? Why?... we're they reading about which crime was committed and by whom?

Oh wow, it starts tomorrow?? Kool. Thanx for the info ✌🏻

i focus so hard on my physical health that i feel i may be just trying to cover my mental health from people.

Radical acceptance means realizing you don’t have control over anyone else’s emotions, behaviors, or actions. Only your own. If he doesn’t want to change or isn’t capable of it even after getting help, it’s not your fault and you have every right to distance yourself from him. Your kids aren’t your WHOLE life, you’re still loved and you’re still important. I hope he does get better but just know that you should start putting yourself first. Especially if you have other children, you should give the love you have to them because really all people usually see when “unconditionally loved” is a crutch that they’ll always have no matter if they do the work to change or not.

I agree. I'm happy with all the extra content. I study all the things said and make notes on law advice he gives. I use his rules in Minnesota to have any idea where to look for Oklahoma.

Sorry x

What happened?

You are doing your job, one of my favorite sayings is but by the grace of God go I.

@@dcole2133 that is one of my personal beliefs. Our lives are always complicated but we all have our lives to live. We have so many things to be grateful for even those we see and hear about and think "there but for the Grace of God go I" ❤️

Thank you for posting this. For me I've always believed just tell your kids. They can handle pretty much anything as long as they know you trust them to be able to, are in it with them, there for them, and love them.

Same

At first it was because his parents sheltered him (even though he was clearly not a sheltered kid), then it was because he was adopted, because of horror movies, because he wasn't popular, because no one spoke out (even though they did), etc. He'll tell any and every narrative that it isn't his fault.