@Ryan C love to hear if you started seeing a therapist/started dating, I’m in my late 20’s and I’m starting to feel like I should look into this for the same reasons
My youngest daughter's father was 36 or so when I met him few relationships, longest one was 4 months. He dumped women as soon as he felt they were getting "too close". I got pregnant very unexpectedly and he dumped me 1/2 way through my pregnancy. We coparented successfully for 5 1/2 years, but never reconnected emotionally. He has erased me from my daughter's life. We have been fighting in court for 6 1/2 years and our daughter is emotionally disturbed and has behavior problems. She was happy, healthy, and we'll-adjusted before he took us to court with his unethical attorney and lies. He created trauma and a mentally ill child who is unlikely to be any more successful than him in having normal, healthy relationships. I trusted the court system to protect us. I found out that this is not the America I thought I lived in. Going to family court us like playing Russian Roulette. Sometimes the biggest liar or the person with the most money wins. If you ever have a child, don't cut them off from strong, healthy family relationships or long-term friendships. I read "Men Who Can't Love" or something like that. Steven Carter. Commitment-phobia. I "diagnosed" my friend and told him the prognosis was poor. He had already planned on. Having a surrogate have his child and for his mother or sister to raise it until the child was old enough for him to raise it himself. I ended up being treated like a surrogate, but that was not the deal. I have 2 older kids with my ex-husband who were successfully coparented their entire childhoods, even though their father and I did not like each other. My youngest was on a similar positive trajectory. Intellectually gifted, academically advanced, very stable life and relationships. No emotional or behavior problems. My younger daughter was suspended 10 days in 2nd grade and has an IEP for emotional disturbance and receives special ed services. All she needs is for the court to allow me back into her life so she can have maximum maximum participation of both parents in her life. If you ever have a child out of wedlock, please be involved, but don't interfere in healthy relationships with the other side of the family. A child is not a trophy.
17:20 - 20:20. There. In 3 mins you just explained what has been haunting me for my whole life. I crave relationship but every time when things seemed go well and a relationship was about to form, I would be overwhelmed by fear and do something on purpose to kill that potential. So now, here I am, 31 years old, surrounded by attractive and close female friends, yet I have never had a formal relationship. Last summer I've learned that I am the avoidant type, I didn't know how but I always felt it had something to do with my mum and her problems with my dad, I just couldn't put it in words. Thank you so much for helping me to identify this issue.
This is something I’m dealing with... the guy I absolutely fell crazy in love with and he did with me... turns out I’m pretty certain he’s anxious-avoidant (he had a very abusive upbringing) where as I’m very secure (luckily from a loving childhood). It’s crazy because at the start he was SO open, so loving... then now a month later he’s dealing with job and home stress and has just totally gone missing. It’s so intense when things switch so suddenly when you’ve literally only just met the love of your life! A hard lesson to learn.
single motherhood for me as a kid so 6yo-up to 19yo ( so i think i can understand your views, as yes i have joked that my dad/parents is my SO at point's in my lifetime but really i found out that that needs/emotions/ect can't be filled without my wife ), and yes the information isn't that bad but the presentation/she's locked into monogamy ( or being single, also found it's not best for me mentally as iv tried it 3 times now in my lifetime ) is the only heathy type of relationship adults can have, and for me i found it wasn't for me as i tried it, having 2 or 3 partners/wife's works better for me glad she didn't try the gay conversions ( tried that/monogamy+religious-uk on my self and didn't work if anything it made me off balance, so my views aren't based in religion/ect ) therapy or kinky shaming line, yes sometimes medically speaking isn't bad but being gay is real and being closeted isn't heathy either as iv seen but not lived 1st hand experience yes lies/deceit isn't generally healthy relationships but openly being honesty works, or in my case yes im willing to date/Mary 2 females but both have to be okay with either others and me aka i can still cheating but why 🤷♂ what's the point in wrecking my marriages
Gosh...my 16 year old is so strong...she "no contacted" her narcissist father at 15 and hasn't looked back. She wasn't getting what she needed from him and couldn't look past his HORRENDOUSLY abusive behavior toward me and other family members and just decided that if she wouldn't be forced to depend on someone like that. Thank God her step father is a wonderful dad.
Interestingly, you have 34 likes. That’s how many people resonated with your comment. My daughter turned 17 and she has been “no contact” with her dad for 2 years now. I actually feel bad sometimes but she has stuck to it. I believe that her strength is what has allowed me to maintain my “no contact” since 2017.
I hope you closely monitor her interactions with her step”father”… who are the single most common source of molestation of both young girls and boys. All men have pedophilic attraction and will be highly attracted to your teen. I know it is difficult to see as his wife but your place as her mother should come first.
This video was amazingly informative! This describes my wife and I perfectly. I'm the love addict and she's the love avoidant. We got married 5 months exactly from the day we met, and just had our one-year anniversary. Unfortunately, we are now in the process of divorce. I have struggled terribly to try to understand the Dynamics of the relationship and why things had suddenly went so wrong, and have only continued to get worse. We both had terrible childhoods and while I'm open to seeking help and admitting my issues, she is not. To admit she has issues is a fate worse than death to her. While I'm truly sad and heartbroken, I plan to use this as a very painful lesson to learn more about myself for future relationships. Thank you so much for making, and posting, this video. It has helped me immeasurably to understand what's really occurring here, and why. Thank you!!
I think the balance would be finding someone who only needs the same amount of attention/affection that you're willing to give. I think that goes for any attachment style, but I'm only just learning about this...
I was an anxious/fearful avoidant attachment style-- translation way way smothered. Just like the lady in the video says Parental and other authority figures can have major Impacts on how we perceive ourselves. Which meant I had to acknowledge that if I came from a dysfunctional or emotionally broken family I probably carried some of that brokenness with me. Not an easy admission to make after living with them for 25 years, but critically important if you want to break the unhealthy relationship cycles of smothering and/or codependency.
Love and affection on your terms. My ex-husband was like that. It wasn't a matter of quantity, it was a matter of giving and getting on his terms. Other than having his arm around me when I went to sleep, I felt like I never got affection or affirmation unless he wanted sex.i wonder if the women he has been with after me felt the same way. I know his 2nd wife asked me why I did not tell her what he was like. She never asked. I would not marry a man without interviewing previous romantic partners or ex-in laws.
I am 30 yrs old right now and I have spent last year realising I have co-dependency issues which is responsible for the toxic patterns in my romantic relationships/associations. I am discovering why I am never able to workout functional boundaries, always finding myself on extremes of either being absolute alone or losing myself in the relationship. This is more than helpful in understanding myself. Thank you so much for putting this out here.
I find that the book "The Soul Mate Illusion" shows us the deep psychology of how what often seems to be great romantic love turns out to be a bubble that bursts . . . an illusion. It suggests that early patterns of the bondings of infants recreate themselves in adult romance. Thus there is a simplistic projection of a perfect bond (or a deep need for one) with the partner that makes for a misperception of seeing the real, full, complex adult person with whom we are trying to be intimate. If we understand this patterning, we will be able to cope better, and learn much, when the illusions of love reveal themselves.
I had been love avoidant, very independent and prideful most of my life and because of these characteristics I deeply hurt my wife and my children as I acted that way. Thanks be to Christ that saw me in that state and started to change me into what He created me to be. I'm learning now to lean towards my wife and my children and truly learning to love them. I have been convicted of my behavior and asked my wife forgiveness for my specific actions that hurt her and did the same with each of my children, opening a path for healing our relationships. This is not an event but a journey and I have a lot more growing up to do. Thank you for your video, it does a very good job at bringing clarity to help us see ourselves in the " mirror" that we are truly broken people. But there is a Way to find healing not only for ourselves but also to free those we have hurt to find their own healing too. Blessings😊
My last therpaist told me I was a love addict, but I’ve noticed that I've behaved as a love avoidant with men that were more needy towards me and I felt smothered and turned off. My dad was emotionally absent growing up and my mom was clingy for the most part. In older years, my dad tended to treat me as a surrogate wife in some ways. I can see both issues within myself and it makes so much sense now that I’ve watched this.
Disorganized attachment. You can start off anxious and then become avoidant and vice versa. Disorganized comes from severe traumas from what I’ve read. They tend to sabotage relationships.
I do wish there was more information out there (at least in high school) about attachment, boundaries, shame, etc. we never are really taught how to do healthy relationships.
Dysfunction finds Dysfunction, become the person you want to marry ☺️👍 Once you become healthy you will naturally gravitate to another healthy person. If you say to yourself, "If only I could find someone I would be happy", then you have some work to do. You should be happy and content with yourself and life before even thinking of dating. I think depression can play apart in this issue also. Best of luck to all of you and stay positive and know that once the cat is out of the bag there is no going back ☺️
I'm an avoidant, for sure :/ how you talk about the switch from loving being needed to wanting to push the other person away and being repulsed by their neediness is exactly why all my relationships which I ended ended
This video is phenomenal. I have never seen my intimacy issues explained so well. I am mostly love avoidant, but have a bit of love addiction that sneaks in there too. My childhood was a roller coaster of emotions and my adult romantic relationships have ALWAYS been dysfunctional. I really am struggling in a healthier relationship right now because I cannot connect in a vulnerable, intimate way.
I went through a toxic relationship and eventually ended up on your video. Now I know I'm a bonafide love addict! An issue I've having for over 15 years.
I’m glad you’ve found it helpful. I've also created a more elaborate and updated course on this topic: bit.ly/LoveAddictLoveAvoidant that might be helpful to you.
Thank you. “I can’t trust anyone to meet my needs .....”Consequently, I have become an extreme athlete. My ability to be truly intimate is limited. I create very good relationships with my clients, my students and I have a pretty perfect relationship with my son. With you giving me the phrase, “Control Intimacy” I now understand a lot more about why I live the way I do. Thank you for your generosity and effort.
Thing is...this *avoidance is like a reflex.* Now you know the cause of the problem, but the reflex of being scared or repulsed by someone smothering you- will kick in every time. *So, how the hell can one overcome a reflex, is beyond me....*
This video is really great and more people should watch this because it explains a lot of behaviours and why people repeatedly get into unhealthy relationships or why relationships don't work out. A lot of the reasons behind why we behaviour the way we do and believe the things we believe can be traced back to childhood. Both me and my ex were a combo of love addict and avoidant. We also both had traumatic childhoods, as is often the case with people who have disorganised attachment. Our relationship was truly magical at the beginning and while it lasted but we hadn't healed enough to have a truly healthy relationship despite how hard we tried to communicate and have boundaries. We had only started our healing journey and were each other's first experience trusting and opening up to another person about our traumas so it was an important relationship but ultimately didn't end well.
can we also say that love avoidant people will make themselves unavailable so people will want them more? bc i see them do this all the time and when you react in a way that you don’t NEED them but rather want them in your life i.e. feel secure with yourself in anyway they are in your life they become confused or worse angry. they might be an inverted anxious type who is trying to looking for constant reassurance and attention by acting as if they don’t need it and projecting their neediness onto others. bc how else could they see this trait so much, try to bring it out of others, or keep manifesting these types of bonds, as if it’s just their life and how it goes?
You Nailed it! 🌟😂👏🏻 I felt the Hard Slap all avoidants must feel after reading this! 🙏🏻😌😂 Oh boy this is TERRIFIC! Damn you is LIT and COOL! 🔥 PS: None of the avoidant ppl mother's hv loved them.. They hv starved them and that's why they are needy AF! 😒 They play games to be in control.. Motherfuckers are just sad and pathetic! 😂🙄
WOW!! Thank you for this. I am Love Avoidant and could never sure out why I ALWAYS attract Stage 5 Clingers. Clinginess/neediness is the number one thing I find unattractive. This answered so many questions and now I can start my healing work:))
I’ve watched/listened to this video so many times. Each time brings new insights and self-awareness. I’m finally seeing a therapist to get to the core of my love-avoidance (and better understand what led me to marry my now ex love addict wife). I can see how my mom was such an influence on me with this. As the oldest of 4 kids, she leaned on me emotionally as my dad was never around and they ultimately divorced. Now trying to understand this dynamic in myself to hopefully learn/grow but also to be a better dad. Thank you so much for making this video among other great ones that you have made.
Thanks for your comments. If this video resonates with you, I’d strongly encourage you to check out the courses and material I have on my website. This is exactly the kind of stuff I dive deeper into. It can really enhance the therapeutic process. www.kristinsnowden.com/
Some addicts are also cluster B personalities who will use unspeakable manipulative tactics just to keep an avoidant from leaving. I mean fatal attraction!
Cy Colburn I heard in another video that narcissists are a type of avoidant. So I would say it's a different type of toxicity but idk what it would be called.
Killemall hi, I’m love addict and was with an avoidant. He acted normal when I first met him, then slowly pulled away, to the point where he won’t talk to me for weeks at a time, months. I love him so much I would text him multiple times a day and he ignores me. He uses me for sex and all I want from him is intimacy and love and closeness and he won’t give it to me. I would do anything for him. But he still rejects me. There is nothing I can do. He keeps rejecting me. The only thing that works is ignoring him back. I feel so much pain. Like I’m dying. Like I want to kill myself. I have 2 small kids. Of course I can’t kill myself. The pain is so strong. So deep. I want to hurt myself. I need help. No know listens. I sound crazy for wanting him.
This makes a lot of sense, me being the love avoidant, and her the love addict. Where it breaks down in my example is, I wasn't the one who sought anyone outside the relationship, I just made a decision to ride it out and settle. I felt repelled by her clinginess, but thought that's just what happens after awhile, and it wasn't fair to her for me to bail. But I can remember her literally coaching me in how to give her the "supply" she needed, begging me almost, and I'm sure she felt my feelings of wanting to get away. So eventually, she wasn't getting what she needed. And it was SHE who, once she bled me dry for all the "supply" I could give, RAN away to get her love addiction supply from someone else. I was stunned by the fact that she was the clingy one who I thought would never leave, and yet it was SHE who broke up the relationship. Can it happen that way, does that sound like something that also happens?
I think that makes sense, it’s similar to what I’m currently experiencing. I met the absolute love of my lif 2 months ago and it was amazing until he suddenly pulled away. I’ve realised he’s anxious-avoidant and him dealing with stress of moving house / not having a job has been enough that he can’t handle what he has with me. I’ve been chasing him but I’m about to leave. I feel clingy and I love him so much but I need to look after my emotions. It’s not your fault that you’re avoidant and it’s not your ex’s fault that she is clingy - it’s simply not compatible. I feel your pain though, it’s rough!
I'm an anxious person and I can relate to your experience with your ex with the same attachment style. I get so anxious and scared when I don't get the "supply" of love that I need to feel secure that I leave relationships in order to find a place where to receive it which never really happens because I'm insecure and I will be like this for a long time if I don't work on myself. The good thing is that I'm getting aware of my fears.
It can absolutely happen that way and I have first hand experience with it. I am the love addict, and my ex is the love avoidant. I was always trying to shower him in love and receive the same in return. And he couldn't, or rather wouldn't, despite declarations that he wanted to be with me, give me the affection and love I craved. I did the same "coaching" thing with my ex. So from the outside, yes, I was more invested, I tried harder (too hard) and was pushed away. But I was the one who ultimately ended the relationship. I don't think he didn't love me. I think there was fear or trauma there preventing him from feeling fully secure in a relationship. Same for me, it just came out differently. We all need to get ours. May you find a partner who suits you.
This is helping me see some things in me that I haven’t seen in a long time...and it’s very healing & brings hope that, I know it’s not fixed yet but at least stepping out of denial into realizing where I’m at. So so good thank you for sharing 😄
You are a godsend... I am doing my work in order to be a better person for myself. Initially i thought it was society but then I realized that I need to heal myself for myself. Thank you. I wish I could afford you.
You truly have cracked it. Ive seen grateful comments from people on these type of explanatory videos before, and envied thier connection with t he information - but this time i feel it. You understand very well the changes of mind-set or modes that make defining behaviours more complicated, and the feelings behind the irrational conflicts and constantly opposing agendas. Thank you so much for posting. It really has been a comfort
At minute 18:34 moving forward thats exactly how my mother is! She doesn’t want me to move out. She made me feel unsafe and that the world was a scary place. She made me dependent on her so that I couldn’t be independent. So I became scared of everything. I was very hypervigilant. I am scared of intimacy(but want love too) and an avoidant as well. I used to think I needed someone to always be there now I know that is okay to be alone. I don’t have friends. Never had people that actually saw the real me. I am scared of being vulnerable. I am also a love addict in a way. My dad was always working and was emotionally unavailable. My mother was also verbally abusive at times sending me mixed signals. I had gotten with men that didn’t treat me, I lowered my standards. I didn’t even know there was such a thing as boundaries, having goals and even having dreams. More people need to see your content like wow!
I can totally relate to you and your experience. I studied Buddhism for 10 years and really hot to know the real me and what im like and why. While i dont necessarily recoomend being Buddhist..it opened my eyes to habits i had..being clingy and feeling good enough to speak my own mind.
This is brilliant!!!! I now understand the mechanics of my intimacy life!! Thank you and so amazing to get this information and deep understanding. What a relief!
I have an online course on my website that helps you dive deeper into this topic and dynamic in case you were wondering what kind of “next steps” to take www.kristinsnowden.com/transformational-courses
@@KristinSnowden Thanks I'll check it out. This should be a 101 course for everyone with a pulse!! Less chemistry and more relationship science would really change our world. Thank you so much for your contributions!!
As a man and love addict I must say you are dead on. Out of toxic relationship for 1 year now, almost everyday I feel ashamed because how I can be a man and need someone so bad. About manipulative thing you are right too, sometimes I just know what to do to get attention - how do I react to these thoughts? I am just mindful and don't do anything (or I am just trying to be honest about my thoughts if I trust this person) (this thoughts never really leave my mind). I really don't know what to do now, boundaries set, facing my fears, still I crave relationships and it is not in a healthy way. It is sad for me because I feel judged by society because of the way I am, needy, love addict and I am here sitting all alone trying to figure this out how to heal my 'love deficit disorder'
This books gave me so much wisdom, clarified so many things, helped me to understand why I reacted in many situations in an specific way. They saved my life.
Wow. Wow. Wow. What a great explanation! I'm the recovering love avoidant & this is what is happening in a lot of my friendship relationships. It was becoming toxic & im working on developing healthy boundaries & becoming interdependent so I can be interdependent. Great job!
I watched your videos about codependence and the toxic relationship one year ago. Also, I watched all of Pia's videos about boundaries, self-esteem, shame, etc. Recently reading Pia Mellody's book 'Facing love addition'. I have to say, the book is full of details and so descriptive about the toxic pattern in a codependent relationship. And the dynamics between the addict and avoidant that she describes in the book are so much like my relationship with my ex. It is mind-blowing to read the book. I am also in the process of internal family parts work. The recovery path that Pia offers shares some similarities with the parts work. Thank you for those videos about relationships. It was a great help and introduction to the recovery journey for me.
Hi thanks for your comments I'm working on the next video on healthy relationships. At the end of this video I make a few book suggestions if you want to learn more about love addiction/love avoidance. You can email me (KristinSnowdenMFT@gmail.com) if you have more detailed, specific questions regarding your circumstances. Thanks again for watching! If you have suggestions on other videos I'll do my best!
Kristin Snowden This explanation is wonderful, but incomplete. The avoidant and the anxious don't make a perfect match because one is needy and the other needs to be needed. It's the opposite: The anxious needs someone who rejects her, because rejection is all she knows and is familiar with. And the avoidant needs someone who he can reject because, due to his own trauma, he's unable to give or receive love. He exploits her partner's needs and is abusive. He doesn't want to care for someone, he wants to remain detached. That is what their whole relationship is about. One is constantly chasing the other. The avoidant didn't necessarily had a parent that suffocated him, quite the opposite. He had parents who didn't give him enough love, so he decided he'd NEVER need love again and avoid intimacy at all costs. He decided that he is going to *become* that parent whose love he didn't receive. The distant parent seemed powerful to him, so he decided he doesn't want to remain powerless and instead become someone who wouldn't need another person's affection. Until they heal, their true 'needs' are: "Tell me I am not enough!" And "I am here to make you feel inadequate and unworthy!" This is the reason why the avoidants end up being sociopaths/narcissists. The anxious codependent is a loving empath. The avoidant is a narcissist who was made feel unworthy and inadequate in his childhood, and, in order to overcome this, he decided to make others feel the way he feels about himself. His codependent mother didn't necessarily suffocate him. She was subjected to his father's abuse and didn't receive his love - his father being an avoidant himself. He'll later choose a woman who's similarly codependent as his mother and who, being an anxious, puts up with his abuse. "Love addict" is not an accurate phrase because, deep down, the anxious doesn't believe she's worthy of love. One last note: Avoidants tend to be great seducers, but don't have to. Some of them are super aggressive and cruel. Anxious codependents want to control their situation, but don't have to be manipulators. Most of them are honest and decent people. But your explanation model explains relationships like the one between Amy Fisher and Joey Buttafuoco very well. ;)
Thankyou so much for making these videos.I have learnt this stuff the hard way and I am still trying to heal from previous toxic relationships and betrayals from 20 years ago.This helps validate things a lot.
This is absolutely a wonderful video and explanation. The awareness it takes to see yourself, to see your partner, and see the relationship for where they are and that if all three awareness's are not seen you are likely in a codependent relationship. Healing those early wounds that get one back to the fact unconditional love is such a thing and it can exist in ones self and in the world is essential. Doing that work is not easy. Without that work, I am not sure seeing the relationship as an entity, and having awareness for that entity will be possible. Thank You Kristin....
I think it's a lost cause. I was playing the codependent role for six years in a relationship with a man who had been his mothers caretaker from the time he was a child til she died when he was 37. He was the avoidant. Until someone sees themselves there's no hope for a healthy relationship. Just save yourself and get out.
Thank you for this video. I've gotten to the point where I hate myself because I seem to be unable to get out of situations where I am addicted to someone that isn't interested in me that way. I have a history of 3 times being in love/infatuated with someone with who the love is unrequited, for years. And attempts at dating anyone I'm attracted to results in me getting weird because if they aren't pulling closer to me it feels like utter failure and rejection to me and I lose myself. I don't want to be this weird person that can't date anyone because I get addicted to people. I want to be like the 2 circles that are apart yet together and healthy. I've even gotten into a relationship where I was the seducer, so I could at least feel like I was needed. It was the most recent unrequited love relationship, which was actually many years ago now. Currently I have a crush on a guy that has turned into a problem because he's still not asking me out, but he is someone I could run into on a regular basis. Everything I perceive as a rejection from him hurts so much I can't bare it, and anytime he seems to enjoy connecting with me feels like a fix and I need more, and is a lure to think maybe he does want something to do with me. I want to forget all about him since he is not interested in me that way (that is my best assumption, he has not asked me out and we've talked for about 6 months now) but I find it incredibly hard to forget him. I am in counseling, I feel like after seeing this video there may be some hope for me to get out of this pattern. I can see with more clarity what I am doing. It's hard to believe I could be in a healthy relationship someday but I have a little hope.
Can a person be both? My alcoholic parents were emotionally neglectful of me but at the same time, my mother was fiercely overprotective of me and I was left home alone alot while they worked. The "come here - go away" phrase is how I am in relationships. I fear intimacy but crave it at the same time. When I get it - I become clingy and jealous and distrusting. I don't know which way to turn.
+Jos Cleo yes, I mention this at the end of the video and in response to few other comments. One can have both abandonment/neglect and over-enmeshment in their "trauma history". Therefore, both love addict/love avoidant tendencies can surface. It all depends on the relationship Dynamic exists between you and your partner. It can also change and switch over the span of the relationship. You just need to be aware when you're being "triggered by" or acting out of love addict/love avoidant tendencies in lieu of healthy boundaries.
Haha i was wondering the same thing. Same story here bro made me HF autistic or something i couldn't even get fully aroused for a girl i liked because i was so scared of intimacy. I hid my disability from everyone. Told 2 friends recently. It has sent me on a 3 month mission now to figure my brain out. I am very smart so i think everyone was scared to say i was disabled or autistic. So i never got any help and dropped out of school at 15. Mom was narcissist neglectful and abusive. Dad is intellectually disabled. Also have an intellectually disabled brother that got all the attention growing up. But my autism made me avoid highly stressful situations and i was never really that great with motor skills so i don't drive or nothing. Insanely poor family. Took me 26 years to start coming to terms with who i am because i never cared enough about myself until a women came along and messed my head up. Found out i am HF autistic and have avoidance personality disorder with a few of the overlapping disorders related to them. Now i am working on getting insurance so i can go get diagnosed so i can get some assistance to get away from my family and this prison they created for me. I know i can't work. So i have to try for disability at this point. Lived in denial for 26 years of who i was. Scared to admit to myself i was not a normal man. Built up mental walls and shit to hide who i was even from myself. Tend to do that when everyone calls you a pussy or some bullshit making you feel like your feelings don't matter.
I would look into HF autism man. Your mostly likely in the same boat as me. The story of peter pan really fucked me up the most i think so far. Once broken down everything became clear and the fact a girl pretty much pulled me out of never land it feels like. She did however reject me after our 1st date and failure on my part. Can't blame her but she got me thinking about myself and why and i would love to thank her give me the courage to do it.
All i would say is if you can't get your life together you have some sort of disability. Find out what it is and get help / disability. Maybe once you get on your own and can take care of yourself you can start having a healthy relationship. Reason i said get disability if you have to rely on someone.
Finally you confirmed what i thought about myself, that i flip flop. My dad was love avoidant and my mom was somewhat more love addict - on some levels.
This is amazing, thank you! I watched all the way to the end and heard you say that someone may have one parent where they learned love addiction and the other where they learned love avoidance. This is me. My father was emotionally distant, among other things, while my mother was emotionally dependent. I have been in ongoing cycles of mostly addictive behavior with different avoidant/unavailable men and am experiencing high levels of anxiety and depression. I can feel my claws tighten as someone pulls away. I've been "trying" to be single, I've made promises to myself to not date or have sex, I've even bought myself a wedding band to help remind me to love myself and commit to me. But I keep repeating the same, crazy pattern. The harder I try to be alone, the more my compulsion and need for external validation increases.
Have you checked out 12 step communities like love addicts anonymous or sex and love addicts anonymous? The 12 steps can be quite powerful if done properly and having a community around you that understands you and can help you stay accountable is priceless.
This is so right on. I just ended a six year relationship with a man who from childhood had card for his mother until she died. He had never been married, no children. Most women would feel like he would make a great husband as I did in the beginning but as time went on I started to feel like the relationship he had with his mother was unhealthy. He was emotionally unavailable and shallow. It hurt me to leave the relationship but I had to do it for myself. This video sums up everything.
I'm a love addict, but I'm sure I got it from my Mom. She was so overprotective in my childhood and was always irritated and reluctant when I wanted to go out with my friends, But now that I'm older, she sometimes tells me that she feels lonely in her own home with my Dad. My Dad is around but she gets mad when he socializes outside of home. There's alot of issues she has, but in the end she passed on this to me and now I get so lonely when I have no partner in my life.
If exploring attachment styles is interesting to you, my website has some attachment styles and love addiction screening tests. Check out KristinSnowden.com
good job! ingrained experiences are similar to how a narcissist brain washes their children. I just had a huge realization that everything wrong with me was bc I was raised by a narcissist and like a flash my prison lifted!!! I could see my brainwashing in my body reactions when I realized it my anxiety has diminshed dramatically. I no longer feel separate from the rest of the world. it's so weird how quickly those patterns can drop off when there is understanding about why I'm doing what Im doing ;) yay! I'm free. I enjoy your lecture though bc I'm fascinated now with how a person lacks awareness around their own indoctrination to a degree or to their own conditioning. I've always been very aware and so to finally see how my actions were connected directly to my mother... blew me away and made me realize maybe I'm not as aware as I thought
i don't understand. What did you figure out exactly about your narcissistic upbringing that made you realize the truth? And what is that truth that freed you?
Thank you so much for this video. I was wondering why I was unconsciously trying to attract one or the other man and never satisfied with myself. I didn't know what was the problem with me. This video shows that I am suffering from love addiction and to avoid love addiction tendency I need to love myself and not expect others approval. Thank you so much for this presentation.
Could so relate especially from about 16 mins onwards as I'm the love addict the ex (again) is the love avoidant. Its been off on so many times its ridiculous. My whole world comes to an end when its off extreme anxiety and depression, its doing my head in. Thank you for your video it explains my on off relationship to a T.
After watching this video Im definitely a Love Avoidant with some addict tendencies. But my question is: If the addict is Needy and the avoidant is distant, what about if the avoidant begins to act needy and push the addict away? Is that a possibility? Also I understand that if the Avoidant feels his needs aren't being me or is being smothered and he begins to "look" at other people, can the same be the case with the Addict? If they feel the Avoidant is being distant they will look for validation in others (ie. Low Integrity/Low Self Esteem)
This one video has made more sense to me than the other hundred that I've watched in the last three months. I've need to piece together the cause for my broken relationship with a man almost everyone (except for his ex of 18 years) would consider perfect. I broke my own heart trying to maintain a relationship with a love-avoidant man. For two years we would break up and reunite. Everytime we re-united I got my hopes up and broken by a man who treated me well, but couldn't be emotionally intimate. Like you said, he had a sweet but dominating mother, and his dad worked two jobs. My ex grew up to be a caretaker and a people pleaser. I am the needy one, raised by alcoholic and abusive parents. Although I made every effort to maintain my independence and not demand anything from him, he couldn't open up emotionally to me or to anyone else. Sex was wonderfully pleasurable, but that's all it was to him... it didn't bond him to me even after a year and a half. Nevertheless, I became deeply attached to him and our breakup has left me paralyzed.
Thank you for making this vid Kristin. I believe I'm in a co-dependent relationship now and its driving me crazy. I know now that I'm the love avoidant one and she's clingy as f***. (sorry for the swearing, its been a stressful few months now thinking about our relationship) The problem is that the more I discover that she's unreasonably needy and basically a blank slate without me around, the more I lose respect of her, and naturally also the affection as well... at this rate we'll probably break up in a few months and its cool with me, but at least if possible I want her to realize that she needs to figure out her shit first, without making it like I'm putting all the blame on her.
thanks for a great dissection of my mutual limerent relationship (we mirrored well) that hit a brick wall (obstacles/realities). i think i played both the avoidant (rescuer syndrome) *and* the addict (loss aversion). lots to unpack as no contact continues. thanks again!
This is in response to the Brene Brown question. I have a blog entry on her where I elaborate on why I like her work so much and how it ties into love addiction symptoms. www.kristinsnowdenmft.com/apps/blog/categories/show/2021797-iheart-brene-brown I'd recommend listening to her Ted Talks, some of her RU-vid interviews, a lecture disc she has called "The Power of Vulnerability", and if you love to read, her books The Gifts of Imperfection and Daring Greatly. Hope that helps!
Thank you so much for posting this video. It has been very helpful for me to see some of the problems I've had with relationships. I have been a love avoidant or emotionally unavailable due to my parents toxic relationship and feeling like my Mom's de facto spouse until my Mid 30's. My most recent relationship made me feel trapped or overwhelm. I felt like I had so much responsibility and no enjoyment, much of how I have feel dealing with my Mom. I don't want to continue this cycle and want to know what steps do I take to get on the path to healing and healthy relationships.
+Smith Emile congrats on doing such great work so far. Those are some difficult truths to realize but you sound like you're doing a great job with becoming aware of your patterns and working to change them. The book I'd recommend to you after reading your response is Married to Mom by Kenneth Adams. Pia mellodys books are great, too, but you might want to start with Ken Adams work first. I wish you the best!
This is exactly what happened to my relationshit. I'm the anxious attachment type and he is the avoidant type. He did cheat on me several times and gaslit me constantly. I felt very abandoned. Yes he discarded me when my mom had a debilitating stroke..at the possible worst time of my life. I am now alone and trying to figure out why this happened..hes with the cheatee that's 30yrs younger than him.
@@KristinSnowden your explanation in this video on the subject was amazing and should be taught in schools as a health awareness course since many people don't get this kind of information at home
@@jomymatthews thanks for asking it's been so long now I have to remember haha I believe I did I'm going to go look today I remember having written many things down which gave me a better perspective on my internal dialogue and my habits and patterns etc
Some people can definitely pull away once you have the courage to show yourself fully to another (the good, the bad, the light, the dark). Which is why we often have so much shame and fall back on facades, lying, and manipulation. But the real joy and freedom comes when you are loved and accepted for ALL OF YOU and you can love others, too, despite their flaws (within reason and with boundaries). That list of authentic, vulnerable, real relationships tend to be short but worth it. It’s exhausting to always maintain facades and prove your worthiness.
This video has validated some things. The relationship I've been in is quite toxic... And it goes through cycles, he has completed 3 definite cycles, I suspect 2 more don't have 100% proof, I have 60% he won't come clean. Thank you, I look forward to listening to more of your videos and the listening to this one again.
I'm young so I hope it will eventually go away. But I can't stay in a relationship long without starting to fear, hate, and get annoyed by my relationship partners. I don't know what's wrong. I'm addicted to trying to sway or "chase" someone. Like try to flirt or get closer. I love it. But I've noticed once I've gotten in a relationship, I couldn't stand it for long. I would get super short tempered and agitated for little to no reason! I feel like I'm broken! I've been told I was wrong and sick in the head! I'm just scared I'm just not right in the head or something.
Yeah I definitely fell into love addict status in my last "relationship". It wasn't even real. I was the person used to cheat. But I felt wanted! It was soo intoxicating. So I basically threw all of my values and self respect out the window in order to receive her love. She didn't want to commit to me. But I stayed, because she would say "😥 dont leave me like everyone else..." and soon enough I became addicted to her and needed her presence. And as you said at the end, a lot of quiet resentment built up throughout. Started to feel like I was constantly chasing after her, and having to play games in order to get my needs met. I ended up blowing up on her multiple times, accusing her of lying and manipulating me. Saying a bunch of nasty stuff. And she ended up blocking me entirely out of her life. Super explosive relationship. 1 minute it was like heaven on earth, and as soon as she started to pull away, my life started to feel like it was crumbling and I did whatever I possibly could to salvage the relationship.
This is my life my wife love addict and I the avoidant I have never heard about this so thank you this will help me.23 years and I'm just starting the process.
Learn the difference between, wants and needs! Many narcissistic people feel entitled, fortunately for me that was beaten out early. I may want love, but know I don't need it.
Your description of an enmeshed love addict/avoidant relationship reminds me of the operational definition of a "sadist": one who won't abuse a masochist. Freud said: "beneath every fear there is an unconscious wish" .. So how does one gain insight into dysfunctional needs/wishes that are unconscious? Accident prone people supposedly unconsciously set up situations where they hurt themselves to satisfy an unconscious wish to punish oneself...
It took whole of my 33years to come to this point so as to understand myself, what has been happening till date and why. Finaly i could see one end of the whole entwined threads messed up. Looking forward to heal myself. Thnks to d udemy course which brought me all the way up here. Taking d course was my life's best decesion to change the course f my life. Thankyou godbless💖
