Introduction to Russian Pronunciation, circa 1960 

это сто раз по 5!!)))))

@@hannahweis6718 а с тёщей это шесть

Блин, чуваки! Что ж вы так свих жён-то не любите? Может тогда жениться не нужно было? 🤷‍♂️🤣

Ах вот как??? Ну, до свидания.

@@Lexie_Greer все мы сильны задним умом)

а какие в японских учебниках!

Думаю так на всех языках 😂

На немецком так же😂

Из французского я запомнил на всю жизнь первую фразу в вузовском учебнике : « Camarade Agathe va à la gare » - товарищ Агата идёт на вокзал.

Всего за два года? Ну и ну! У меня ушло типа семи лет, чтобы читать что то для взрослой аудитории на английском, а говорят, грамматика на русском сложнее к пониманию. Было бы интересно узнать про методы вашего профессора больше. Надеюсь, в интернете есть информация по вопросу. Он явно понимал, что делает.

Thanks for sharing

@@selfishbirch если есть Желание и хоть какая-то Необходимость, то легко. А то ведь как получается: - 7 лет школьного английского оказались, просто, набором словарного запаса; - 3 года в универе научили пониманию языка на слух, даже с сильным акцентом... со словарем; vs - Сериал, поменял актеров дубляжа или долго не выходил перевод серий => за 6 месяцев был совершен переход от субтитров на русском, затем на английском, затем сабы стали реально не нужны. - Вот и пара любимых книг незаметно были перечитаны в оригинале. - Стало интересно оставить свои пять копеек в комментариях => за 3 месяца от формирования предложений на русском, корявой кальки обратного перевода, до перехода внутреннего голоса на английский в момент его использования. Все эта база знаний начинает цепляться друг за друга и за год происходит такой скачок на "ровном месте", что становится непонятно в чем вообще была проблема с его пониманием.

you should have read fairy tales by Pushkin, much better stuff

Керәшендер ул)

Он гений

ИванОвич, тогда ок.

@@MadHerringFish Вот новость

Киняев. Фома Киняев 😑👌

I totally want to see someone get alveolar trill right just from the description of its articulation.

I agree. The explanation is very solid. And I also recommend it without any doubt.The problem is not with the explanation though, the problem is with the students especially nowadays. All these just don't make any sense for them at least in the beginning of their study.

"Если друг оказался вдруг ..."

"не говори со мной, у меня уже есть друг"

Люди просто «гаммы» разучивают и учатся непослушными органами речи артикулировать звуки чужого языка, где всё по-другому. С этой точки зрения и подобраны слова, и натянута хоть какая-то связь между фразами.

В свои 17-19 ори выглядят на 34-36 нынешних. Ювенилизация на дворе

what do u mean then?

@@shabelskiy_shorts щ как шч, ранее популярное произношение

мхатовское ))

​@@shabelskiy_shorts he meant that an ''old fashion'' Russian ''щ'' sounded like ''sh'' then ''ch'', but modern Russian ''щ'' sounds like one solid single sound

@@shabelskiy_shorts Щ = Shi ш = Sha

Меньше думаешь дольше живёшь

@@gringo6362 антисоветчик - всегда гомофоб!

@@gringo6362 Аватарка соответствующая.

Ты жив ?

Меньше думаешь - моложе выглядишь

Вы понимаете суть разговоров? Суть кринжа?))

@@roman28rus У нас в учебниках тоже были подобные диалоги. Одна семья Стоговых чего стоила) Если им показать - они точно поняли суть кринжа)

@@maya.7057 согласен, у меня учебник был по англ.морскому языку, трэшачёк тот ещё)))

@@roman28rus По морскому?? Ну, это неплохо) Это все-таки интересно)

@@maya.7057 English for mariners

Надо было тайм-код написать.

Так вот откуда такие диалоги NPC в играх пошли) Тодд Говард со своими диалогами в TES IV: Oblivion - отдыхает просто))

100 % - Таким способом как в видео выучить язык невозможно.

I can’t say for certain but it’s possible the teacher was trying to teach the students to sound more native-like, rather than having a strong American accent when speaking. Not saying I agree with the method, just giving a possible reason for it.

Agree completely ! Thank goodness our Russian teacher did not use such diagrams. We learned by copying him and he corrected us or improved our speaking over time. I remember I had trouble with "вы" but eventually got it right. I can still remember passages from "Hero of Our Times", it was the first book I read in Russian. But out teacher, Chester Kiesel PhD., also told us poems and carefully explained them to us. I still remember them, decades later. He later became a famed international translator.

Cannot agree more. This is like teaching someone about mechanics of bicycle riding and expecting them to be able to actually ride a bike. True, if they persist long enough they will learn; but that's s result of whatever hands-on practice they get not the theory.

@@tikala1 you can’t really get rid of an accent once you’re an adult. Some will always stay behind. So focusing on removing the accent go sound more Iike a native speaker (phonetically) shouldn’t be the focus in the first place. It’s about learning to communicate in Russian and ensuring native speakers even understand you. The next step is to learn how to have excellent command of the language. Sounding less American and more “Russian” is irrelevant. That’s just bonus work if you choose to do it, AFTER you’ve become fluent in Russian.

Он ездит её любить в Сибирь. А она ездит в Сибирь любть снег.

Я тоже посмеялась 😂

Except not a single conversation was correct. :D

"Уй"

😂

"ъ" (ер) + "і" (и десятиричное) = "ы" (ери/ еры). "ъ" раньше имел звук схожий с звуком оук "ꙋ", по этому и пишется как "уи"

⁠@@inersdracotranslates to cow, Перевод смешной😂

​@@ryanolsen294 коровить

«The Stogov Family» из учебника Старкова ☺☺☺

@@user-ku2xr3nh4b Диксона (он англичанин). Чей тогда метод? Мы вернулись туда, откуда пришли.

рассказы, написанные 150 лет назад это изысканное сокровище по сравнению с мусором написанным сегодня, лучше говорить и произносить английский как викторианский англичанин, чем как современная толпа.

@@spacegangster2588это компрометирует основной смысл учить английский - для общения. 90% людей для которых английский не родной вас понимать не будут или будут с большим трудом.

And this is why the majority of people still don’t speak English. The method is all wrong

@@mackenziewoods8201 No. A bit before my time. I did use those types of headphones in grammar school. Also, I did study Russian in College. There, they had a language lab where you could use cassette recorders and practice speaking. It was humbling to play back a recording and hear my voice for the first time as it sounds to others. Not the same as it sounds to yourself. Many fond memories of my classmates and professor.

@@gammondog do you still remember Russian?

@@nancycat9242 only a few hundred words. I can still read the words and hand write Cyrillic script. Oddly, I would have a difficult time hand writing the printed letters by memory. Conjugation of verbs fine but inflections of nouns and adjectives not so. That case system was a real challenge. Still, I cherish my memories of taking those classes. P.S. It’s just as the late Barry Farber said. The Cyrillic alphabet is a “false alarm”. Every student in the class that stayed after the first few classes mastered it in three weeks. Including alphabetical order and hand writing. The Cyrillic keyboard was not covered in those days.

yeah, but it's from the 60's. That's... a long time ago. the pronunciation changed a bit since then. I just thought you should be aware of that. Also, in your case you might want to concentrate on differences between Spanish and Russian, which are not the same as differences between Russian and English. Also, the dialogues are weird (which is ok, since it's the foreign studens who made them up, I guess, but definitely not to be followed). The method itself is very sound. Russian phonetics is very well studied, so you have plenty of materials available if you look for them - both for positions of the tongue and for the so called "intonational constructions" (i.e. types of sentence intoning).

бонвиван, замминистра, генерал, подследственный

kiss ass

+Michael Parisi Because modern Education European and American has been taken over by feminists and politically correct persons.

+Robert Glasby truer words were never spoken.

This was proper mansplaining all the way :).

@@BobGlasby Long time ago i had read in a Reader's Digest article that American universities demanded the students to learn foreign languages but in the second half of the '60s practically learning foreign languages were banned by the students themselves.The latter wanted folkloric studies or something that went along with the" Spirit of Times".

60 лет назад)

​@@AmneziaAztecвсе равно приятно.)

И балалайки

He's teaching Ukrainian Щ. I don't know why. Russian Щ is just English "sh" but held longer and tongue higher.

Chukovskij Щ kak щч proiznosit.

The film is from the 1960 when this pronunciation was still standard.

@@Unbrutal_Rawr This wasn't standard in 60's. You won't hear that pronounciation in 60's.

@@mihanich Fine, it wasn't standard anymore, but you absolutely will hear this pronunciation in the 60, especially outside Moscow and from Russian emigrants. You hear it from this man, who was born in 1912 in Moscow, even though this pronunciation was rather characteristic of the St Petersburg standard with *шчука* and *дождя* as opposed to the Moscow standard which had *щ:юка* and *дож:я.* Here's another example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P-2vSTbyszs.html It is indeed much easier to learn to distinguish this pronunciation from *ш,* especially because those who have this pronunciation pronounce *ш* softer than in the modern standard.

и ест снег день и ночь

Видео из 1960ых, так что норм

"После венчания мы уехали с супругой в свадебное путешествие: я в Турцию, она в Швейцарию. И три года жили там в любви и согласии." (Фильм "Тот самый Мюнхгаузен").

Сколько из этих студентов было раскрыто КГБ в СССР, и сколько завербовано, для более углубленного изучения русского языка? 😅

Да, у преподавателя хороший язык. Для тех времен, когда живой язык не слышали просто удивительно.

ага, особенно если внимательно его фамилию прочитать ))))

@@EK-tb6ui Устинов. А что здесь необычного?

@@EK-tb6ui ой и правда )

​@@maya.7057и английский с акцентом

***** Like this: *щщщ* Seriously though, if I absolutely had to explain it right here, I'd say it is a long sh-sound, but it's actually a different one, so you'd better google it and find the correct pronunciation yourself.

Well, if you want to call early 20th century Russian classical, alright. But no one speaks like that now, except maybe very old people. Even gopniks pronounce it correctly. I am Russian and I say so.

Check it anywhere on the Internet, the old pronunciation is [ʂtɕ], the new pronunciation is [ɕː]. I can only assume that these native speakers either didn't exactly understand what you wanted from them, or you yourself got something wrong. I as a native speaker can clearly see the whole picture, and I say that it is the old pronunciation that is not used anymore. The professor has probably left USSR long ago and carries an outdated pronunciation, even for the 60s.

Robert Glasby Well, they just have a non-standard pronunciation, then, that's all. I've been to Siberia, though, and the accent people have there is no different from mine or the one heard on TV. As I've said, if you want objective information, it's all out there. Just google it.

Robert Glasby It's not difficult at all. I think you misunderstood me and are asking these people the wrong questions.

Same with Spanish and French, dunno why :( P.S. I'm From Russia

russian is really really difficult . I m learning it right now that grammar makes me yank my hair out

Да, очень большие различия по структуре и вариативности построения предложений.

Stop caring about the grammar. As a beginner, your job is to be able to understand meanings of sentences, that's all.

@@thisismycoolnicknamebut this is almost impossible without knowing a grammar

Известен как Иван Иваныч для родственников! Вещи скрыты от нас 🙃

Это диалоги не из учебников.

@@Eg0r86 т.е. это импров или что?

​@@Anubis1993KZ Да, они сами придумывали диалоги. Это одно из первых занятий.

The idiocy of Duolingo sentences is unbeatable :)

Sadly we can not hear your results, while in this film the students perfectly pronounce even the hardest Russian sounds

apparently in that time pronouncing щ like that still was a thing

😮nj😢u😮not

When I was taking Russian and had to partner up with classmates for oral exams, we, too, made up hilarious conversations. I remember practicing with a partner and her talking about someone having six cats. The professor walked in, and the very next moment, I exclaimed, “Шесть кошек?!”

Tell me the difference between ы and и

@@shubham_dalvi dont know dude how to explain, same difference like between v and w

@@user-mo7vp1fx7o is it correct if one writes your name Мартинов instead of Мартынов?

@@shubham_dalvi not quite realy, И - pronounced more softly than Ы

@@user-mo7vp1fx7oTrying to learn Russian pronounciation and grammar got me like 🥵 🤯

"too excited", видимо.

@@TinLeadHammer Thanks for the correction. That’s what I meant

Ha! I've always thought the opposite is true. Ventriloquism in Russian is easy, less so in English, where you need to AR-TI-CU-LATE.

he answered to his own question with yes, so he's saying it can be preceded- watch it again i guess

The problem is not the accent. There are sounds in the Russian language that are not in the English language. There are 32 letters in the Russian language. You have to learn to pronounce them. But you also need to be able to hear. Foreigners do not hear the difference between the sounds "sh" (ш) and "sch" (щ). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L52o13Ac27E.htmlsi=aJIT1BFAP49Z8cKM 😊 In addition, Russian is an intuitive language. Intonation is very important. Not the meaning of the word, but how the word is said. Paradoxical language. In theory, there is no word order in a sentence - you can put a verb or other part of speech anywhere. But “you went” means an action, and “went you” means a curse (mild form, in the sense of “I’m tired of you”)😁.

Обратите внимание на цвет кожи

​@@Kurt1991jorsenа вы батенька шутник.

Ну изучать русский язык, наверное, не всех подряд с улицы набирали. Это какие-то особо мотивированные американцы. Наверное и сейчас такие есть

такие - чем? Кто и что может показать?

Пётр Лещенко "Чубчик"

Николай Стопневич Thank you

+Ryan Ward If you think this is actually what the classes looked like, then you are understandably mistaken. Most films like this were more staged than on of Kanye's music videos. They were probably very similar to our classes today, where no one really gave a fuck about looking perfect like this.

+Max Ritz So, what you mean is that American education is reprobate. Why do not American children want to learn? What's wrong with your society? No wonder the Americans are warmongers feeding lies about Russia

Well, that escalated quickly...

+MachoMaster I had forgotten about this, but yeah, it really did, didn't it? Anyways, Robert Glasby that's no what I meant at all. I meant that they would have been taking a more active role in the classroom than is shown in this footage. This isn't some high school, this is the College of William and Mary, one of our oldest and most prestigious universities. As for Americans feeding lies about Russia, how do you figure? I was taught from an early age to respect my Russian counterparts. Your nation has accomplished very much with very little.

@@maxritz7142 dude they're not perfect at all😂

I teach my daughter in a similar way. She's got amazing English and German pronounciation.

Такая же реакция конечно

У вас там снег день и ночь:))

Зимой и летом снег идёт.

a--blya

С целью десантирования на Урале. Русский им нужен, чтобы местные не догадались, что они американцы.

Чтобы тебя повеселить.)