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welcome back to nerd theory with my buddy Josh from The Den of Nerds, today let's talk about the latest Star Wars news for the week!

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@StarWarsTheory
@StarWarsTheory 3 года назад
We will continue this, next week with the same and new guests who'll call in randomly. I really enjoyed tonight's podcast. It was beautiful to speak to those who have opposing views as me, or may even dislike me. I think if we all respectfully and cordially discuss our opinions, eloquently, then life can be pretty chill. Cya next week!
@StarsetCards
@StarsetCards 3 года назад
Absolutely loved this episode!!!! Bring in more “common” people and let’s break the Fandom Menace
@StarWarsTonight
@StarWarsTonight 3 года назад
It was a great podcast 🙏
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE
@AJDOLDCHANNELARCHIVE 3 года назад
@@StarsetCards "break the Fandom Menace"? How do you "break" people who don't like what Disney has done to Star Wars?
@TheLegend-gj6bw
@TheLegend-gj6bw 3 года назад
Agreed. I suggest make it a series, at least once or twice a month so we can get a balance of nerd theory podcasts and guest podcasts.
@jjmeyers2408
@jjmeyers2408 3 года назад
Absolutely agree!! Great concept! Many great guests you can bring in.. like the Force Center podcast guys Joseph and Ken who have different views but are very respectful and have great points. MTFBWY
@iNabber
@iNabber 3 года назад
love this, we need more of this in the fandom
@CJG338
@CJG338 3 года назад
Sheesh inabber star wars fan
@elize2952
@elize2952 3 года назад
Chicken nuggie king 🙌🏽
@VenturePictures
@VenturePictures 3 года назад
100% dude
@babystickman0
@babystickman0 3 года назад
Let’s go Fraser
@nolanschneider1467
@nolanschneider1467 3 года назад
Kenji!
@zacpiccinini1248
@zacpiccinini1248 3 года назад
This is exactly how the star wars fans should be. Different opinions on a beloved franchise keeps the content fresh and enjoyable.
@MrRen847
@MrRen847 3 года назад
So true, not telling people to kill themselves or that they’re ‘brain dead’ for having an opinion on a movie.
@MrRafaeltrainer
@MrRafaeltrainer 3 года назад
Exactly!
@eoinomalley4835
@eoinomalley4835 3 года назад
Exactly, you can't force somebody to change their opinion about a movie series.
@williamknipe5966
@williamknipe5966 3 года назад
@@MrRen847 agreed. Both sides have differing opinions and when they’re toxic about it, that’s the genuine worst
@albertthepeacock8020
@albertthepeacock8020 3 года назад
Ngl I thought the comments would be a shit storm of Sequel hating and Prequel/OT praise I'm sure glad I was wrong
@mayormccheese6171
@mayormccheese6171 3 года назад
We need timestamps on these streams!
@gjmcgee
@gjmcgee 3 года назад
He liked your comment! Maybe that’s progress??
@seniorgrocco
@seniorgrocco 3 года назад
@@gjmcgee No.
@logan2b
@logan2b 3 года назад
Different opinions but no toxicity, and everyone had respect towards those different opinions, super wholesome and entertaining
@lukastace3154
@lukastace3154 3 года назад
This is how Star Wars fans should debate, without toxicity in the fandom
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo
@Blue-Apple-fc9eo 3 года назад
@@lukastace3154 agreed I may don’t like the sequel trilogy and the prequel trilogy but at least I won’t attack people from liking this movies.
@lukastace3154
@lukastace3154 3 года назад
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo Same
@shoemakerluis
@shoemakerluis 3 года назад
I agree, but sadly this is not the case... The loudest ones are the most disrespectful and ignorant ones and this is why all the comment sections (on any platforms) is so full of bullshit.
@shoemakerluis
@shoemakerluis 3 года назад
Agree about the discussion! Just don't look at the live chat replay.... Seems like some just can't appreciate people having a respectful talk and have a constant need to be assholes...
@leathejedi2099
@leathejedi2099 3 года назад
I keep rewatching the dark choco bit... Josh's face lol. Theory this was amazing. I havent felt this much love on your channel since mando finale. Thank you for this. Pls do this more often.
@larrysnutz
@larrysnutz 3 года назад
This stream was absolutely amazing. The guests brought in great new perspectives on Star Wars. Please do this more often and also bring back some of these guests from tonight. I love the videos you guys make. Keep up the amazing work
@fofonablus7104
@fofonablus7104 3 года назад
Can I just say your username is absolute nutz? 🤣🤣🤣
@nd_501st2
@nd_501st2 3 года назад
I LOVED this format of 'SW discussion/topic' in the first half, and call-ins in the second half
@itskcalb9152
@itskcalb9152 3 года назад
Sw theory and Josh needa do this more often, loved it
@yellownailpolish4203
@yellownailpolish4203 3 года назад
I have an 11 year old sister who loves the sequels. She says Rey is her favorite character and she loved when she defeated Kylo Ren in episode 7. I'm a little older, and I dislike the sequels and find many flaws with Rey but my sister makes me enjoy them a little bit more. She cheered when Kylo and Rey kissed in episode 9. She also loves Jar Jar. 😅All in all, its great that some people find enjoyment with the sequels and the characters even if I have different opinions.
@zacpiccinini1248
@zacpiccinini1248 3 года назад
This just proves that Star Wars means a lot of different things to many different people
@ProdADMusic
@ProdADMusic 3 года назад
@Miimalius I hope that isnt jar jar slander 🧐
@barkley8285
@barkley8285 3 года назад
My sister is 4 and she just loves ahsoka and rey. I realizes that the sequels are for her, not me. The prequels were for me, same way the originals were for my dad
@killyourself8826
@killyourself8826 3 года назад
Theres a reason little kids and non hard core fans liked the film while the hard core fans overwhelmingly did not.
@dakotatrue12
@dakotatrue12 3 года назад
@Miimalius I've always like jar jar, or at least I've never had a problem with him. I've genuinely never understood why people hate him so much.
@ironshard360
@ironshard360 3 года назад
Star Wars Santa seems like an absolute G
@leedonovan5328
@leedonovan5328 3 года назад
Holy shit its Volkor🤘🤘😅
@letgaunt8021
@letgaunt8021 3 года назад
Darth Choco is a badass. Love that man
@randalthekidd7006
@randalthekidd7006 3 года назад
Nah he couldn’t even nail down his own point
@kennyherron6529
@kennyherron6529 3 года назад
@@randalthekidd7006 🧢
@letgaunt8021
@letgaunt8021 3 года назад
@@randalthekidd7006 are you kidding me? You obviously didn’t listen, that man nailed everything down perfectly.
@playerone6829
@playerone6829 3 года назад
@@randalthekidd7006 someone didn’t watch the video 😅
@Nenodom
@Nenodom 3 года назад
Sounds like a good and smart dude haven’t seen his content, but brought up some good points although I strongly disagree with most of what he said, I can respect that he made some solid arguments for Luke in TLJ being just as much (if not more) JJ’s fault as it was Ryan’s.
@garlicpie95
@garlicpie95 3 года назад
Star wars Santa's story was so touching
@Robisme
@Robisme 3 года назад
The fans defending TLJ and ROS have the same arguments that are a big stretch. Santa has no explanation why he doesn't see Rey as a Mary Sue and how she is a "great character". I think his connection to liking these movies is sharing it with his daughter. I don't even see or make a connection that Rey was being bullied. In a desperate situation but not bullied. But to each his own. Choco 's thinking is a HUGE stretch. He also keeps going back on his words, at 2:00:00 where he says TLJ is his number 1. Later he says at 2:14:50 the sequels suck and he is a prequels and legends fan. The only thing he is consistent with his statements is "No bullying and please leave room for those that like the Sequels". I'm pretty sure the majority of the fan base was always there for that. We're just curious why you like them. Next, thinking that Luke Skywalker would just kill someone who is helpless just because he see's their bad thoughts. I don't think so. And how do you not get that they had NO PLAN for these movies when even the actors involved said that there was NO PLAN. He just doesn't like how the evidence was presented. He then thinks Mark Hamil eventually liked the movies without any pressure from Disney? I don't believe it. As for Toxicity: Choco himself has seen this rare toxicity in his own community. So he already knows the answer to his "question". And its also my personal experience most of those comments are either very rare or look like obvious trolling. To associate it to the majority, is just insane. Same with the third guest Sawyeurism - Who cares about followers. Just make content. And please don't associate the unsolicited messages to EVERYONE else you disagree with. Now everyone is hateful? That's just pure prejudice. No one is saying those who like TLJ and Rise of Skywalker should be silenced or bullied. The majority of us are just talking. BUT I remember what it was like right after TLJ came out. It was Disney and the brainwashed that called us toxic men, neck beards, basement dwellers, russian bots, women haters, not real fans, etc. Just for not liking the movies.
@thorodinson1933
@thorodinson1933 2 года назад
Mark has stated the last Jedi was his second favorite to work on behind Empire. Luke seen so much darkness he considered killing Ben for a split second but immediately regretted it. Rey isn’t a Mary Sue because 1) the only time she wins by herself is when kylo is broken to the core, unfocused, cocky, and heavily injured. She couldn’t fight snoke, she couldn’t fight Palpatine without the Jedi helping her, Ben wins the duel on Death Star. Ben had to bring her back to life and save her all of that immediately eliminates her from being a Mary Sue. 2) she’s poorly written and not having a plan for the trilogy just led them to speed run giving her force abilities off the fly. Some are understandable, some I can accept her learning but the one I hate the most is force lightning. I don’t think you should be able to accidentally use it
@theknifestalker8395
@theknifestalker8395 2 года назад
You're taking what Choco said out of context. He never said the Sequels suck he just said of the 3 trilogies it's his least favorite. Big difference
@dadalorian
@dadalorian 3 года назад
So much respect for Theory, Josh and Choco. So much love for Star Wars, not everyone agreed with each other but it was beautiful and respectful. THIS is what we need more of in the fandom 🙌🏾🔥
@RaikenXion
@RaikenXion 3 года назад
Entertainment Media keep getting in the way by constantly writing hit-pieces on the Fandom Menace, no more firings of Star Actors just for sharing their opinions, and i honestly believe the Fandom will be more united once Kathleen Kennedy's tenure at Lucasfilm reaches an end.
@GabrielFalcon760
@GabrielFalcon760 3 года назад
Not a sequel fan but it’s good to see people who enjoy them
@jarjar549
@jarjar549 3 года назад
Meesa knew yoosa father!
@RACCorpStudios
@RACCorpStudios 3 года назад
Need more of this attitude in the Star Wars community
@lukastace3154
@lukastace3154 3 года назад
@@RACCorpStudios Yeah
@dakotatrue12
@dakotatrue12 3 года назад
They are ok as just movies unconnected to the previous ones, but as a star wars movie they suck. They ruin the characters from the OT and the prequels. Most people who genuinely like them are people who are casuals and don't care about star wars, or people who got into star wars because of the sequels.
@lukastace3154
@lukastace3154 3 года назад
@@dakotatrue12 Agreed.
@brickbinz8302
@brickbinz8302 3 года назад
I really appreciate this reaching out to connect all the threads of the fandom. TIKTOK is such a bad platform for most content because of the same reasons Twitter is terrible. You loose way to much nuance and supporting information when cutting it down to fit 60seconds. If anything it should be used as an advertisement platform for a podcast, stream, or youtube.
@lukastace3154
@lukastace3154 3 года назад
Agreed
@DarkInstinct05
@DarkInstinct05 Год назад
Tiktok is literally chicomm propaganda.. But yeah there's that
@guillaumeinjjuz1744
@guillaumeinjjuz1744 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for the love of Montreal Santa ❤🎉
@bigpapa6915
@bigpapa6915 3 года назад
Dark Choco doesn’t seem to understand what character arcs are. Going from one thing to the exact opposite to suddenly right back to where you started is not an arc, it’s just Rian Johnson flipping a character on its head
@ivohorvat6130
@ivohorvat6130 2 года назад
And he doesn't understand that Luke's sacrifice was pointless in TLJ. So Luke suddenly changed his mind and wants to save everyone and dies? Wtf instead of creating an illusion of himself he should have appeared in front of the First Order and destroyed them but he chose death😂
@15gamershaven89
@15gamershaven89 3 года назад
We need more of this in the world. People with different opinions that can sit down and talk without insults and with respect for the others opinions. It's a rare thing in the modern world.
@RaikenXion
@RaikenXion 3 года назад
The thing is i don't think most people even seem to realize, there is a shady entity which sits in the background of all of this and actually plays our Fans off against eachother. It's the "Entertainment Media", they're the ones who get fans riled up.
@LZMP60
@LZMP60 Год назад
@@RaikenXion not really. I hate the sequels because they're smelly pieces of shit, and it's a conclusion I came to on my own with logical points because I have eyes
@cadencekep2190
@cadencekep2190 3 года назад
Great stream tonight guys. Glad you opened this time up for dialogue with four awesome guests. They all did great. Does your first guest Lauren have a RU-vid channel? I'd love to follow her!
@StarWarsTheory
@StarWarsTheory 3 года назад
:)
@StarWarsTheory
@StarWarsTheory 3 года назад
@Lauren :)
@codyhoney9101
@codyhoney9101 3 года назад
@Lauren time to start one, you gained a lot of fans today.
@nate9601
@nate9601 3 года назад
@@TheCityOfVallejo bro not cool
@wyattmcgee1
@wyattmcgee1 3 года назад
In the end, it doesn’t really matter what you think of the sequels. We are all Star Wars fans, and that’s enough.
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 3 года назад
You have spoken.
@VenturePictures
@VenturePictures 3 года назад
Conversation is always needed to move forward. We can hear each other out, debate, agree, disagree. End of the day we can all have opinions and it’s conversations like these which will heal the fan base. Good job 👏
@starwarsscholar1444
@starwarsscholar1444 3 года назад
This was really cool. I only watched the segment with Darth Choco but you and Josh deserve respect for hosting these discussions. The fandom has felt more tense than usual recently and I hope that having discussions like this will alleviate some of that tension.
@guazazqui788
@guazazqui788 3 года назад
I disagree with Darth because i dont see Lukes rage in Return as a character trait... but rather a turning point in Luke. He doesn't show a thing he will continue doing in the throne room. He, in that moment, realises rage is not the way, and that it will lead him no darkness, just as it did to his father. He becomes a Jedi in that scene... he makes a decision to NOT be that man ever again.
@OGM_OriginalGameMusic
@OGM_OriginalGameMusic Год назад
Props to Choco for bringing in a really juicy debate! My big issue with the Luke sneaking into kylos room is that he's ALREADY acting like he has PTSD but that isn't portrayed in the 30+ years between RotJ and TLJ. Also darth choco saying he can see the same person beating the shit out of vader, igniting his saber on kylo... like. He's a seasoned jedi there.he isn't a kid anymore. THAT'S a big problem. It's like the 40 years didn't count. Luke isn't JUST a Jedi. He's a person who has risen above the flaws of the last generation of Jedi as an entity. An then boom its back to square 1
@RACCorpStudios
@RACCorpStudios 3 года назад
This is the least toxic Star Wars comment section I’ve seen in a while
@SonStashu
@SonStashu 3 года назад
2:19:09 Josh said it best, I went to see The Force Awakens B E F O R E I was a big Star Wars fan like I am today. As someone who didn't know anything about Luke prior to TFA all I wanted as a fan was to see just how epic this jedi of legend actually is.. and to be teased to get Luke throwing the only lightsaber I was familiar with (Anakin) in literally the same exact scene made me drop the sequels.
@darthwint3823
@darthwint3823 3 года назад
Luke tossing lightsaber over his shoulder is for me worst moment in all StarWars, I literally felt like walking out theater, but Lukes sacrifice so what remains of Resistance can escape is in my top 5 favourite moments it blew my mind, Its felt like Kenobi's sacrifice in ANH so Skywalker twins can escape 1st death star only jacked up on steroids..
@trololololo3659
@trololololo3659 3 года назад
@@darthwint3823 i feel the same way dude . a lot of people hated luke in tlj but i really liked how he saved everyone by not resorting to violence . But the thing that prevents me from liking luke in tlj and the movie in general is luke throwing vaders saber . its just something luke would never do no matter what. Its like if peter parker retired from figthing crime for a while and then someone came to visit him with a photo of uncle ben and he just grabs it and throws it out the window .Like i said , no matter what luke went through between rotj and tlj he would never do that . i honestly hate that scene so much .
@anonymousgaslighter345
@anonymousgaslighter345 2 года назад
So what did you think of Luke? Now that you know the character more.
@anonymousgaslighter345
@anonymousgaslighter345 2 года назад
@@trololololo3659 that was not Vader's saber.
@cadben
@cadben 3 года назад
THIS IS IT. LEAD BY EXAMPLE. CHANGE THE FANDOM. Honestly this is such a huge step toward unity. Please, more of this.
@clonedavenger
@clonedavenger 3 года назад
This is why you're the only Star Wars channel I'm subbed to anymore. You have your opinion, but you have ALWAYS been respectful of people who have a differing opinion. I've been a fan of SW my whole life. Keep being awesome bro. It's appreciated. I hope one day you get George on your channel. I'm loving all the interviews you've done with people involved with Lucasfilm pre-disney.
@kronkedgucci7001
@kronkedgucci7001 3 года назад
I think you’d like the channel Star Wars explained
@bigstarwarsfan5714
@bigstarwarsfan5714 3 года назад
Hello greedo, the goldman, palpamemes, element7, ekardsladder, and Thor Skywalker
@jonathanm4738
@jonathanm4738 3 года назад
Star Wars Meg and AT-AT are great channels
@jacobp249
@jacobp249 3 года назад
Dang poor Josh that was an awkward moment but hella funny though. Top 5 Nerd Theory Moments
@walterwhite6393
@walterwhite6393 3 года назад
When?
@RaikenXion
@RaikenXion 3 года назад
Yes a what part was that? Could you plz show us the time-stamp part in the video?
@Calebburb
@Calebburb 3 года назад
3:27:35
@RaikenXion
@RaikenXion 3 года назад
@@Calebburb Oh thankyou :)
@hugo2964
@hugo2964 3 года назад
I rewatched that moment so many times, and still can't figure out what happened lol. Theory even said he was disgusted later in the vid, i really don't get it. Can someone explain? 😂
@oristrix2238
@oristrix2238 3 года назад
I absolutely love Choco. We need more of this peacefulness in Star Wars.
@xnjaxninjayt4115
@xnjaxninjayt4115 3 года назад
I remember seeing episode 7 with my dad and I was hyped I was in shock for the first couple minutes of the movie and at the end I was really happy and excited and was looking at all kinds of theory videos a few days later and the 3rd was theory’s and I immediately subscribed and a couple years later here we are with theory having almost 3 million subs.
@judosailor
@judosailor 3 года назад
I think choco made some great points about the sequels and TLJ and why they actually made sense. I suspect his point about theory was a little harder to understand because he was really holding back. He probably was trying to be super ultra tactful and not insulting to your face, so I don’t think he really wanted to say what he really thinks. And about TLJ, specifically, I think one of you (can’t remember who said this) nailed it when they said that TLJ was deconstructing Luke, but they didn’t wanna see Luke deconstructed. I go one step further and say it wasn’t just deconstructing Luke, it was deconstructing Star Wars. And as an OT fan that did not really like the prequel‘s at all, I was ready for Star Wars to be deconstructed. After (what I considered to be) the nonsense of the prequel‘s, I wanted to see it torn down and built back up. That’s one of the reasons it resonated with me.
@CKelloggs
@CKelloggs 3 года назад
As a big fan of the prequels (tho I absolutely accept they’re flawed) why do you hate them so?
@judosailor
@judosailor 3 года назад
@@CKelloggs I mean, I didn’t come here to just bash the prequels. I only mentioned it because it was relevant to why I was ready to accept the deconstruction in TLJ. Also, I don’t wanna write a book as a RU-vid comment! LOL. But a quick rundown would be… Way too much CGI. It didn’t even always look great at the time, and has held up even worse. And partly because of that, as well as just some of the choices that were made in set design, ship design, etc., it didn’t even really look or feel like the Star Wars we got in the original trilogy. Everything was way too clean, and kind of fake looking. Plus the acting was mostly terrible, and there was a ton of super cringey dialogue. Then from a storytelling perspective, there were all sorts of things that I just hated. From big things like midi-chlorians that took the deeply spiritual and magical idea of the force and turned it into half scientific jargon, half alien bugs. All the way to little things like how they took what was clearly just the desert garb of tattooine in the original trilogy and turned it into a uniform for the Jedi everywhere, which made absolutely no sense. Even order 66, while it was cool in a way, didn’t really make sense how a bunch of clone troopers could kill all these powerful Jedi. And what’s worse, it was not “Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi“ like we had been told in the original trilogy. We all thought that meant that Vader (as Vader in the suit) was going to be hunting down the Jedi one by one like the Kurgan in highlander! Instead we got him killing younglings. Smh. Anyway, that should answer your question about as briefly as I can. You really don’t have to tell me why you think all those things are great. I accept that you do already! It’s just differences of opinion over something we both like (Star Wars). But that’s why I was totally fine with Rian Johnson deconstructing Star Wars (and then building it back up) in the last Jedi.
@killyourself8826
@killyourself8826 3 года назад
The irony in hating the PT but thinking the DT is good lmao
@judosailor
@judosailor 3 года назад
@@killyourself8826 Do you actually have an interesting point to make? Or is this just another lame version of “Hurr, you’re dumb for liking something I hate and hating something I like.” If you actually have something interesting to say let’s hear it, man.
@killyourself8826
@killyourself8826 3 года назад
@@CKelloggs he’s a hypocrite who is just a casual fan, mostly casual’s and lesser fans liked the DT.
@saintwalker4404
@saintwalker4404 3 года назад
I loved this stream and how it talked about both sides. But I wished they also touched upon people who are in the middle of the fandom. I myself neither love or hate the sequel trilogy. I've tried leaning one way or the other but I just can't and I think its because I do love stuff from both canon and legends. One thing I think Disney should do is confirm that there is a Star Wars multiverse(if we can get time travel how hard is it to believe that there is more than one star wars universe). Its not like they would have to do much I mean we already have 3 Disney universe,legends universe,and a lego universe. Then they can bring in George Lucas to make his own universe and make his sequel trilogy. Just a few things I would say if I got on today let me know if you guys agree or disagree with anything I said
@erikbrenner5138
@erikbrenner5138 3 года назад
My thing about a star wars multiverse is that to me, one of the best things about star wars is the history and world building you see. Where every new project is a new chapter in the story, and stuff in the past and future is alluded to in universe. Like how Anakins podracer was shown in the Mandalorian, or how the template of Star Killer base can be seen in illum in Fallen Order. I think with more experimental books or lego games theres obviously less coherence with overall canon and singular universe. So having different star wars movies in different timelines or universes kind of destroys some of its DNA imo. As for stuff that got lost to legends I'd love to see some of it brought back into canon in future movies or shows.
@theallvalley
@theallvalley 3 года назад
This stream shows how Star Wars fans or fans in any fandom should be. It made me love being part of the Star Wars and Theory fandom even more which is so awesome. Thank you Theory and Josh for doing this. You guys and the guest here really show how to have a good, and respectful conversation even though your opinion are different it was very cool to hear everyone’s point of view and changed my perspective on the Sequels in a positive way can’t wait to watch more these. God Bless you guys
@R6-J4
@R6-J4 3 года назад
If only the live chat could take notes and be half as respectful as these two gentlemen....
@insensitive919
@insensitive919 3 года назад
First day on the internet?
@randalthekidd7006
@randalthekidd7006 3 года назад
@@insensitive919 fr I was in the chat it was fine
@R6-J4
@R6-J4 3 года назад
@@insensitive919 first original reply?
@jonathanm4738
@jonathanm4738 3 года назад
He second part of the stream’s chat gets really toxic
@bigboi5545
@bigboi5545 3 года назад
@@R6-J4 You have to understand stream chats will always be toxic. There's nothing we can do about it lol
@citadelli
@citadelli 3 года назад
You guys and Thor would be a great cast. He’s very level headed.
@monkeymagic2292
@monkeymagic2292 3 года назад
This is awesome opened up my mind to the sequels a little
@alexerickson6331
@alexerickson6331 3 года назад
Finally a stream that’s more than 2 hours again! Love when you guys go for this long
@scottprater4840
@scottprater4840 3 года назад
Great show gentlemen and thanks to the guests for coming on. Take care, stay safe and healthy everyone. May the force be with you all.
@bassmasta93
@bassmasta93 3 года назад
Let’s face it , the last jedi DESTROYED the Star Wars fan base to almost a point it couldn’t be repaired, then we got episode 9 which was a complete mess aswell. Disney and Lucasfilm and rian Johnson are to blame.
@Monke-hx2bh
@Monke-hx2bh 3 года назад
Nah it’s not rians fault
@bassmasta93
@bassmasta93 3 года назад
@@Monke-hx2bh he’s partly to blame , such a bad movie , you can tell it was made by someone that doesn’t know Star Wars
@shaq8830
@shaq8830 3 года назад
@@Monke-hx2bh How is not Rians fault? He got to do The Last Jedi the way he wanted. It's his movie!
@maurovaz6081
@maurovaz6081 3 года назад
@@shaq8830 he literally said he wanted to make a film that would made people hate it or love it he did this on porpuse which says a lot about him.
@nolansorensen6941
@nolansorensen6941 3 года назад
Don’t let anyone corner you guys, you have an army of loving and accepting people on both your channels. Just keep grinding and keep the ZEN. Everything will work out and we will eventually see the true Star Wars fandom come together again if we just are kind to one another and focus our frustration in the people filming the movies, not the other viewers
@btecbradford5079
@btecbradford5079 3 года назад
Anyone talks: Josh: so your left?
@hislambo5243
@hislambo5243 3 года назад
Genuinely the most satisfying podcast I’ve ever seen. LOOK GUYS. We don’t have to argue. The Star Wars fandom doesn’t have to be toxic. Just talking in a debate about different opinions of something you personally connect with is clearly possible. Let the hate flow no more. Thank you theory.
@wyattfay3944
@wyattfay3944 3 года назад
Y’all gotta do a kessel run radio nerd theory crossover I would be so happy
@theryno16
@theryno16 3 года назад
I think where Choco went wrong with the Sidious point was not pointing out that KK said Sidious was always part of the plan, then Daisy making the point Sidious wasn't the plan to be her lineage. Sidious could have always been a part of the sequel plan but not to be Rey's grandfather.
@thebestmandalorian5354
@thebestmandalorian5354 3 года назад
I like the sequels as movies but not as Star Wars movies
@burnttoastspacegirlfriend8769
@burnttoastspacegirlfriend8769 3 года назад
Same.
@TosoToco
@TosoToco 3 года назад
Is it weird that it’s the exact opposite for me?
@peetsaman8889
@peetsaman8889 3 года назад
As soon as that one guy said that SWT's fanbase's majority opinion pummels down the minority opinion on the sequels, I was like "oh boy. one of THESE."
@GabiBrooks
@GabiBrooks 3 года назад
I remember when Josh wanted to make a sort of Grey Jedi Order type fanbase and then he gave up... I was so sad then because he seemed so dissapointed but look at my boi now!!! Theory and Josh made a huuge step with this and I feel like they might not even realise it! Keep doing this guys! This is the new hope we all need! ❤
@darthwint3823
@darthwint3823 3 года назад
This would be cool to have regular say once a month, maybe call it " Balance to the Force"
@PurelyTeck
@PurelyTeck 3 года назад
This was really awesome guys! Love how you got people from all sides of the fandom
@josephrudden9620
@josephrudden9620 3 года назад
This is possibly the best “video” in along time it was so entertaining watching people have a debate but actually listening to each other’s points
@martinmcbride4530
@martinmcbride4530 3 года назад
"I haven't watched the Mandalorian" WOT, BUT.... WOOOT *inner child screaming*
@aidanohara1291
@aidanohara1291 3 года назад
I’d love to see that girl come back! She seems to fit really well with you guys
@oblivininja1796
@oblivininja1796 3 года назад
I disagree with darth chocolate in his view but im really enjoying a strong conversation about things i care about so a big thumbs up from me
@thefreshtowel9815
@thefreshtowel9815 3 года назад
Prolly get some hate but still even after all this i don't get it. Maybe my brain is hardwired differently but I cannot fathom anyone watching the original 6 movies and then saying that any of the sequel movies are their favourite or even come close. The movies don't feel the same, don't make sense, don't explain anything, and have the feel of a fast and furious fever dream more than a fckn adventure. When watching all nine movie there is a jarring change not just between the original movies and Disney's trilogy but between each of their own movies. Nothing flows. People here are saying that the characters earned their character developments when the entire sequel Trilogy takes place within one year in the Canon timeline? (prequels about 13 years, originals about 4 years for perspective) I fully feel that they are poor movies not only in term of star wars but also in terms of editing and writing (oh God the writing). (Prequels weren't great here either but they didn't have Disney's wallet). Essentially I feel the same trying to watch episodes 8 and 9 as I do watching Hob's and Shaw or Transformers, as opposed to the original movies held more of a legacy epic adventure feel like Harry Potter or LOTR. I can understand how someone can relate to the characters themselves as they were arguably the best part (aside from Johnny Williams), and I can see how you can enjoy these movies, and I see that it is star wars. I just don't think it holds up to the George Lucas/legends cinematic universe in my opinion.
@tommywicks97
@tommywicks97 3 года назад
You really couldnt of said it better, this is facts, no matter what your opinion is on star wars, the sequels are just poorly made movies...Theyre a hot mess all over the board simple as that, but hey.. doesnt mean you cant enjoy that hot mess in some way! Haha Ive liked alot of shit cheesy movies from the 2000s
@thefreshtowel9815
@thefreshtowel9815 3 года назад
Also Choco was passive aggressive af, fuuuck that lol
@milkshakebarrage9581
@milkshakebarrage9581 3 года назад
I mean, it is confirmed that Sequel Movies weren't planned, were scrapped together on the go, were mindlessly constructed, Rian himself admitting he doesn't care about Star Wars, so Sequel Fans are doing more of that thing of making the data fit their narrative through gymnastics rather than doing a service to the sequels from my observations. On the other hand, I'd rather watch the sequel trilogy another 100 times than read and engage in the absolute brain cancer that is The High Republic. Someone gouge my eyes out and wipe my memory away.
@tommywicks97
@tommywicks97 3 года назад
@@milkshakebarrage9581 💯 exactly the point... theres just countless reasons as to why the sequel trilogy did not work! & dont get me started on that massive steaming pile of 💩
@thoughtfuldevil6069
@thoughtfuldevil6069 3 года назад
I feel alright coming out and saying I thought Last Jedi was pretty cool, now. Thanks guys!
@inarencommander4663
@inarencommander4663 3 года назад
Thor Skywalker and Jeremy would be fun to have on.
@thesenate2078
@thesenate2078 3 года назад
Yes and debating against wellknown sequel fans
@jonathanm4738
@jonathanm4738 3 года назад
Thor Skywalker is pretty chill, not sure about Jeremy tho
@thesenate2078
@thesenate2078 3 года назад
@@jonathanm4738 Jeremy is not as chill but he would still respect the opinion of others
@inarencommander4663
@inarencommander4663 3 года назад
@@jonathanm4738 Jeremy isn't afraid to make his position known, so I respect that about him. And yeah Thor seems to just be a chill guy.
@werekane5555
@werekane5555 3 года назад
Interesting seeing other perspectives
@sahilmehta7732
@sahilmehta7732 3 года назад
@Kermit Peanut cringe fanboys
@namatika1200
@namatika1200 3 года назад
@Kermit Peanut You are mad about opinions. How sad
@papapalps2415
@papapalps2415 3 года назад
@@namatika1200 You do realize saying something is your opinion doesn't magically turn it into an unassailable stronghold to which there is no dispute. People can have whatever opinion they please, as is their right, but having the opinion the Earth is flat or that the sky is green or the SW sequels are good are idiotic, and deserve to be treated as such. You are free to of course ENJOY the sequels on a personal level, but to assert they are particularly high quality in any meaningful way beyond pretty lights go WEEE is silly.
@Fulcrum506
@Fulcrum506 3 года назад
@Kermit Peanut it’s other people’s opinions no need to trash on people who don’t agree with you.
@namatika1200
@namatika1200 3 года назад
@@papapalps2415 Earth is not flat, that is a fact. sky is not green, that is a fact. Sequels being bad in your opinion in not a fact. Also people will do everything to say Prequels are good and sequels are bad. I liked prequels but nostalgia blind people. in 2040 people will love the sequels. Same happen with prequels. Tpm and Aotc are both very bad but people still like them.
@SheivTheWise
@SheivTheWise 3 года назад
Much love to both of you again! Thanks for making this happen My Star Wars love is deeply routed with your content and communities now and forever
@DawnMovieEntertainment
@DawnMovieEntertainment 3 года назад
Can we get Choco and Star Wars Theory without the other guy
@DawnMovieEntertainment
@DawnMovieEntertainment 3 года назад
@Chairhandler I know mans was like, “let me interject.” Every thirty seconds. Then everything Choco said he was just like, “I disagree.” Like bro we get it
@synkyg
@synkyg 3 года назад
First guest starts at 1:09:35
@kidnamedFinger533
@kidnamedFinger533 Год назад
Thanks
@Quickscript
@Quickscript 3 года назад
Luke didn’t singlehandedly save the Resistance, Rey shot down all the Tie Fighters and lifted all the boulders alone. Luke bought them like 20 seconds
@George-um2vc
@George-um2vc 3 года назад
Yeah...but we have to let the kids have fun and believe that the sequels are good on any way shape or form, otherwise tantrums ensue.
@bahkbar5615
@bahkbar5615 3 года назад
@@George-um2vc The sequels are great in some places, especially TLJ.
@George-um2vc
@George-um2vc 3 года назад
@@bahkbar5615 🤣
@128bot
@128bot 3 года назад
@@bahkbar5615 true
@zrake_7027
@zrake_7027 3 года назад
This is one of the best star wars debates I have ever heard. I love the guest idea.
@Fulcrum_28
@Fulcrum_28 3 года назад
There’s just a few ads in this one
@otherrad1240
@otherrad1240 3 года назад
Bruh when she said she didn’t like Anakin that much, I was like eh okay But when she said her least favourite was Nihilus, nah nah nah I couldn’t anymore bro 💀
@avenoctiu9795
@avenoctiu9795 3 года назад
HOW CAN YOU LIKE THE LAST JEDI just fucking how
@kidnamedFinger533
@kidnamedFinger533 Год назад
He explained
@ihomeproservices7040
@ihomeproservices7040 Год назад
What’s there to debate? What could be better than Leias daughter being homeless on a desert and Luke being a hermit? F’n genius writing.
@Vikkadinho
@Vikkadinho 3 года назад
Respect to Star Wars Santa. It was a heartfelt story about what he went through but I personally can't understand how he relates so deeply to Rey's character. Everything he described he went through is completely different to what her character went through. The only struggle Rey had was with her identity. Nothing else about the character was earned or a struggle in any way and that's the main reason people can't relate to her. She never took any losses on screen in a way that would allow her character to grow. Everything in terms of powers and abilities was just handed to her through the script without any explanation or consistency to the universe it was taking place in. A protagonist needs to connect with the audience in some meaningful way and unfortunately, the lack of character development with Rey just means she does come across as a "Mary Sue" whether people take offense to it or not.
@blacksmith0808
@blacksmith0808 3 года назад
Couldn’t of said it better
@killyourself8826
@killyourself8826 3 года назад
Dude said she was constantly losing lmao the old man has to be senile.
@mimakake
@mimakake 3 года назад
Woooohooo! This is a fun watch. This discussion is a kind of like: Peter: ' I like Mcdonalds' Jack: 'I like burger kings' Peter: 'No your wrong because the meat is better' Jack: Yeah, but your buns suck. Peter: ' Yeah but We have better milkshakes Bla bla bla' Jack: Nooo, Nooo, because We have better french fries Bla Bla Bla. Peter: "I understand where you are comming from.' Jack: 'Yeah I understand your view too.' Let's bring the Fandome together Wooohooo!!! ;) I love it. Thanks. ;)
@Kenji-fm8kf
@Kenji-fm8kf 3 года назад
I love this wholesome content
@chris7574
@chris7574 3 года назад
Great video! These are the only type of discussions Star Wars fans should be having. 🙌🏻
@scotthunt4206
@scotthunt4206 3 года назад
Star Wars Santa is literally speaking my heart.
@scotthunt4206
@scotthunt4206 3 года назад
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I subbed during the steam
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
@BozheTsaryaKhrani 3 года назад
@@scotthunt4206 dope see u there
@FATE522
@FATE522 3 года назад
I love the sequel trilogy. I wish I could share that with the level respect you get for your love for the prequel trilogy. I love all Star Wars content but not with equal value. I'm glad you got to talk to those who enjoy the sequels like I do. :)
@michaelwhite3607
@michaelwhite3607 2 года назад
I always like to use this experience as an example to myself on why I should always be more open to just how others enjoy their Star Wars…. I grew up on the OT and I always hear the meme about hating “Creepy Hayden” replacing Sebastian Shaw as a force ghost. It’s almost like the older crowd will come and try and take my “OT Fan Card” for not feeling the same way. Anyway, I watched the user Gaxelle as she reacted to the 1-6 in chronological order. As a younger fan her into was Clone Wars….so when she got to Episode 6 and he showed up with Yoda and Obi-Wan it really hit her in the best place emotionally. Point is….where some might have triggers, it’s those same things that really make the movie. As an 8 year old seeing ROTJ I absolutely enjoyed the Ewoks. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@dezcaughtit3714
@dezcaughtit3714 3 года назад
Theory I’m not gonna lie the past couple months I’ve started to lose interest in your videos bc of the toxic and hating vibes they were giving off....HOWEVER, this has completely restored my faith in you and your channel! This is the stuff we love to see! Echo chambers r never good and I appreciate u trying not to be in one. Keep this kind of content up!!!!!
@InjusticeJosh
@InjusticeJosh 3 года назад
So recently I rewatched the Sequel Trilogy and surprisingly but not so surprisingly I thoroughly enjoyed them. And I think it all started because of this video with what Santa said about Rey and what Choco said about Luke. I watched this a few months ago and it opened my eyes to the sequels. Now that I’ve rewatched them I completely agree with them. I think you just gotta go in with an open mind and accept what just is about them. I watched them with the original trilogy back to back and there are so many connections and moments that they do feel like tributes to the OT instead of vastly expanding the lore like the Prequels. But that’s what the content between Rotj and Tfa will cover. Also has anyone seen the video that compares Palpatine and Rey’s themes? “Palpatine wasn’t part of the plan” That might be true but man does the video inspecting the music kinda make you question if Palpatine *was* always considered. Something about Palps theme hinted in Rey’s theme from The Force Awakens. What if they only let special people like John Williams in on it that’s why the actors wouldn’t have known and one would think “Oh we were lied to.” Here’s the vid link for the curious: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8uvEtIWpLYI.html I promise it’s worth the 6 min. In the likely hood that anyone actually reads this and hasn’t stopped reading up to this point, one in a million probably, here’s another vid released in 2017 before The Last Jedi released. Basically a “Rey is a Palpatine theory” video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hzG3m-ZW198.html This one’s a little longer like 23 min.
@burnttoastspacegirlfriend8769
@burnttoastspacegirlfriend8769 3 года назад
I love TLJ and totally get why people don’t. It’s not fair that anyone get criticized for having an opinion of a fictional movie series. ITS OKAY TO LIKE OR NOT LIKE A WORK OF FICTION. Please can we just respectfully disagree and listen to each other without taking it personally?
@jacksteedman5667
@jacksteedman5667 3 года назад
I’ve been waiting for Grand Theft Auto VI for almost 8 years!!!!!
@dillonalward344
@dillonalward344 3 года назад
This is the best Nerd Theory yet! You guys rock Lauren was awesome, Santa is so sweet!
@pattyfife832
@pattyfife832 3 года назад
The amount of hate women Star Wars fans get just for simply being a woman especially when it comes to them having a different/unpopular opinion is crazy. Even if it’s not like blatant it’s subtle a lot of times and they don’t deserve that type of hate at all.
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
@BozheTsaryaKhrani 3 года назад
Everyone gets hate its what u do w it it is a male female problem
@pattyfife832
@pattyfife832 3 года назад
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I’m sorry what?
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
@BozheTsaryaKhrani 3 года назад
@@pattyfife832 i was makin the most out of what i tried to read
@pattyfife832
@pattyfife832 3 года назад
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani I’m still kinda confused lol but I wasn’t tryna say men don’t get hate at all I’m just saying that there’s a whole lot of women who get hate just for simply being a woman which ain’t right at all whatsoever. Like theory said Star Wars has always been male dominant and it’s starting to become a lot more diverse in terms of gender. With that diversity comes the gate keeping men who act like a woman’s opinion is lesser or invalid Bc they are a woman who lives Star Wars. That’s the specific topic I’m talking about, I’m not talking about the broad topic of hate.
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
@BozheTsaryaKhrani 3 года назад
@@pattyfife832 there is a lot more men being told they r sexist for being men and being taught to hate themselves for it and r taught to be less manly its dumb and America will suffer for it
@darkChristian
@darkChristian 3 года назад
you should do this regularly on your channel call it a "lightsaber duel" or something like that you guys are great hosts together you got the chemistry you work great together, I can't stop listening to you guys. it is a good thing!
@tomt5482
@tomt5482 3 года назад
On the topic of Luke being too powerful and therefore he was hidden away (lazy writing), totally agree. A quick idea comes to mind, what if we see Luke in episode 8 and he's carrying a serious injury from an encounter between episodes 6-7, perhaps involving an altercation with Snoke. That way we have Luke in a slightly diminished physical capacity and needing to train more Jedi (Rey). He's off searching for ancient teachings on how to overcome this new threat and become more powerful himself, to overcome the physical injury he carries. We get Master Jedi Luke and Luke the teacher. Furthermore, we open up the story to what happened with Lukes academy, between him and Snoke / Kylo and the opportunity for more content. This also allows Luke and Rey to face Snoke together. Whether Luke survives or not is open but it could be resolved in episode IX, not VIII. I'm not a writer and coming up with a reason why he's gone and why Rey's important to the story came pretty easy. I'm sure people out there could do much better. How Rian Johnson came up with the lazy story he did blows my mind. So disappointing.
@Jiub_SN
@Jiub_SN Год назад
This is late but couldn't he just force heal an injury? Or bacta it?
@rapflapfl
@rapflapfl 3 года назад
I live in Austria and I promise you I really haven't seen a kid wearing Sequel Trilogy Merch before. What I can see is, that instead of the Sequels intruducing the younger Generation to star wars, the younger generation just wasn't introduced to it at all...
@johnmarc1986
@johnmarc1986 3 года назад
I agree with Darth Choco. Daisy Ridley and John Boyega aren't necessarily going to be privy to what Kathleen Kennedy and JJ and Rian are privy to. If there was always a plan to bring in Palpatine as a surprise in the 9th film, you wouldn't tell the actors until you had to to avoid spoilers. You can't conclude that just because they didn't know, that Disney didn't have a plan.
@privatebh
@privatebh 3 года назад
One problem I got is that a lot of ppl that are coming out in support of the sequels don’t seem to really like what Star Wars is. Like what it truly is. And this new perspective on it that the sequels provided resonated more with them. That’s great and all but that’s not Star Wars. Point blank period. And I’m not a fan of Star Wars changing to adhere to these ppl. I’m sorry if that sounds wrong but it’s the truth. It’s a big problem in the real world today. Companies trying to satisfy everybody will satisfy no one in the end
@NipsnTips1099
@NipsnTips1099 3 года назад
If HelloGreedo’s fanbase sees this, they’ll raise hell. They can’t stand Prequel fans. Especially not reasonable and mature ones.
@kungolaf4499
@kungolaf4499 3 года назад
I don't think so? If you are thinking about 2009-2017 Greedo then yes... But today he says that he loves the idea of people loving the Prequels.
@NipsnTips1099
@NipsnTips1099 3 года назад
Kung Olaf Very true about greedo himself. But his fanbase still despises Prequel fans
@kungolaf4499
@kungolaf4499 3 года назад
@@NipsnTips1099 I still don't think that's quite right. There is a very large surge of Clone Wars fans who dominate the discussion stratosphere of his channel. On streams and comments people always bring up the cartoons. He once had a poll if "The Clone Wars" was their favorite Star Wars thing. Around 40-50% said yes. While this is not direct confirmation of absense of Prequel hate, you might still have a little dated picture even on the community as a whole. The transition happened around 2017/2018 when he started watching the show and enjoying it.
@citiesskylinesparadoxspector11
@citiesskylinesparadoxspector11 3 года назад
I love what you have done with nerd theory & how you guy's are now interacting with other youtubers & fans in general, it is awesome.
@abyoungrome136
@abyoungrome136 3 года назад
Completely disagree with every point Darth Choco brought up but was good to have him on and he makes his points well
@EchoVerse_Sonance
@EchoVerse_Sonance 3 года назад
Bro I'd pay to see ben shapiro with you guys lmao
@homiesoprano
@homiesoprano 3 года назад
They probably forgot to add the Siege of the Jedi Temple level 😂
@dolandarkxgrandayy6953
@dolandarkxgrandayy6953 3 года назад
That would be fucking Awesome lmao.
@user-su1xk3mv2b
@user-su1xk3mv2b 2 года назад
That wedge was created when you decided to hire Ryan Johnson
@TheGodOfAllChads
@TheGodOfAllChads 3 года назад
Darth Choco abandoned every point after he realised that everyone of them were so easily proven wrong and then changed the topic to SW Theory’s responsibility and done the same thing.
@The_Galactic_War_Room
@The_Galactic_War_Room 3 года назад
I still will never like the sequels but I respect others opinions and that’s how everyone should be.
@greysapocalyptic
@greysapocalyptic 3 года назад
Great show Josh @The Den of Nerds 🤘what up!
@algernon7272
@algernon7272 3 года назад
I think it’s time. It’s time to realize that lego Star Wars doesn’t actually exist. It was a figment created by the government to keep you docile with its addictive gameplay and funny cutscenes. Have you never wondered why you never get sick of the game? It’s because they made it that way. But now the veil is slipping, now your starting to realize the truth. Keep fighting brothers, maybe one day lego Star Wars WILL be real, but we must fight for that right. And fight we shall.
@MrEffectfilms
@MrEffectfilms 3 года назад
This is great! Love seeing you two interact with the fans, I'd like to get on here myself (once I get a better mic) cuz I have a lot to say regarding the sequels...and not in a way you guys would probably agree with, I definitely connected with the older guy talking about how Rey was inspirational for him.
@greysapocalyptic
@greysapocalyptic 3 года назад
I bawled like a baby when Ahsoka showed up in live action 😭
@tah6191
@tah6191 3 года назад
I would love to see the next star wars movie beginning on Malachor V and seeing the mass shadow generator destroying Malachor V and Darth Nihilus being born.
@dereklopez9060
@dereklopez9060 3 года назад
That would be awesome
@bullrun2772
@bullrun2772 3 года назад
What that makes no sense whoa
@Paradoxx867
@Paradoxx867 Год назад
I was 9 when The Force Awakens came out, I loved it then. But then, the movies got worse and worse and I realized that the writing was so subpar. I’m a prequel fan, Revenge’s my favorite movie.
@Timlba63Jonesy
@Timlba63Jonesy Год назад
Personally I like all 9 movies
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