Hi Tony and Chelsea. Could you maybe make a video to show Iphone Images up against say a dlsr or mirroless camera to see the difference. That would be interesting. Cheers.
Tony, I understand why you test top line smartphone cameras and I applaud your coverage, but one question that is overlooked is "why buy a topline phone in the first place?" I use a Sony Xperia 10 iii and the latest version (10 iv) is priced around $500 US while Sony's next model up, the 5 iv is priced around $1,000. Ok, personally. looking at the specs, I can see it is likely that the 5 iv is probably worth double the price. But that's the problem: "Probably." It would be nice if you could cover a couple of phones in different price brackets to see if you "get what you pay for." Personally, I'd like to see the Sonys, but the question is out there for a lot of brands -- not so much for Pixel since there is a clear similarity between there two models. I'm not so sure about Apple 14's right now.
The biggest single drawback to using smartphones for photography, at least for me, is their terrible ergonomics and camera controls. Even good 3rd party photo apps cannot overcome how physically uncomfortable the phones are to hold and operate for taking photos. That slab form factor, with only buttons on the rim, and screen controls that you have to fight, are such that I'll only take pictures with the phone if absolutely have to. If I'm going anywhere and even think I might be wanting to take pictures, I'll grab a camera.
I grab for a real camera now too and don’t pick a phone based on camera features any longer. There are reasons such as Tony pointed out like ergonomics with sharp edges 😂
Pixel 7 pro user here. I understand the appeal of Apple's walled garden. I started falling down that hole but have fully recovered myself. I couldn't love iOS. Just couldn't. The watch was nice though. I am however only an amateur photographer and am more into photos than video. I can see that a professional would benefit from the iPhones video quality and the better raw quality.
Hi Tony, it would be great to see a follow up where you use Halide on the iPhone to shoot in true 48 MP HEIC, which makes it much more accessible for casual point and shoot users.
Great, fair, balanced review. I have a pixel 7 pro and it's crazy how bad the portrait mode is. If you have a stable subject and you have room to back up, the 5x telephoto lens can be good for natural portraits (no portrait mode necessary), though it's a bit softer than the main lens. But yeah, google have really gone backwards with portrait mode on the main lens.
The 1x portrait is pretty good. Using the 5x without portrait mode is also good. 2x in portrait mode really should not be an option. The older Pixel phones did not suggest 2x, which does drag the impression down for the newer ones.
Just an FYI to anyone interested, while the built-in camera app won't do 48 MP captures in JPEG/HEIF, the Halide app will on the iPhone 14 Pro. I assumed the quad-Bayer sensor was a joke, it really is amazing what it can do at the full 48 MP with sufficient light. At 80-100 MB a pop it's not worth shooting ProRAW to get 48 MP unless you really want the additional latitude in editing. But at ~10 MB, it's totally worth it to shoot in JPEG/HEIF at 48 MP.
Oh, interesting! I wish Apple would provide more options with the built-in camera app (like 48MP JPGs, tuning the face processing and sharpening, etc.)
@@TonyAndChelsea With Halide you can also disable most of the overprocessing (remove toggle on Enable Smartest Processing), but Halide is missing some amazing features of the main camera app, like image stabilization on the telephoto or night mode. It's infuriating.
A very fair comparison. I especially appreciate the comments about Apple's lock in. It's rare to see this sort of criticism coming from a photographer.
Much respect Tony for being an Apple user but still make impartial and honest review. Overall both phones shoot good photos and videos for the intended purpose : point-and-shot while trading blows here and there.
One of the things I hate with my Iphone 13 Pro Max is trying to shoot through a chain link fence. The camera now jumps back and forth between WA and the standard lens and will grab the fence when it wasn't doing this before. The only fix I've found is by clicking on the box that pops up for a few secs, then it will say with the correct lens.
Oh my gosh, Tony. During this EXCELLENT comparison I kept thinking what an amazing, beautiful, neat home Tony and Chelsea have for their family. THANK GOODNESS, at the end you reminded us you shot at Smith Farm. I feel like I can relate to you again as a person and not some sort of photo-video-life style superhero.
I know it's not a popular choice but just got the Sony Xperia 1 IV and it's incredible. I was astonished to find out it has animal eye af just like my Sony A7IV.
Yeah it's great, too! It's more of a pure camera because it doesn't have much computational photography and it allows proper long exposures (especially with an ND).
One extra bit of information for those looking at the Pixel: buy a magsafe case if you want to use magsafe accessories. Moment which is the brand of magsafe magnetic tripod mount shown here, makes a magsafe case which works fine with the Pixel 7 Pro.
Those 48 MP images from the iPhone do have more detail compared to 12 MP images. It looks like Apple uses some advanced demosaic algorithm on the full-resolution image from the quad Bayer sensor, while Android phones just upscale binned 12 MP image.
When you compared the RAWs, you compared the iPhone with an Apple Profile with the Pixel with an Adobe Profile in Lightroom. I always change the Profile to Adobe with my RAW images to get a more neutral starting point.
@@Ytytfytfujbyddutrxrt The good thing is with the Apple profile there is a slider, so you can use just a little of Apples magic and do the rest yourself if Apple overdid it.
@@winfel Is the processing that the iPhone 14 Pro Max applies to photos (in the ProRAW format) reflected in the Develop settings in LrC? To me, it looks like all the ProRAW files display the same settings. I'm thinking that the iPhone processing is baked into the file and not reflected in the LrC settings. Your thoughts?
@@DBPhotoU Hi Dennis. The truth surely lies in the middle. Every ProRAW is the combination of several raws, and only the result of that is in the file which then essentially is ab HDR file without any tone mapping. Additionally, the ProRAW file contains a mask with information on which pixels are to be pushed. You can see that in Lightroom when you have the latest version and you have the Apple Profile applied. Then you see a slider where you can change how strong this integrated adjustment layer is to be applied. If you push it to the very left, you see the pure RAW. Adopbe however has its own profile which tends to be more neutral than what Apple does.
Need to take a look at the workflow for them both too. I'd love to see them syncing to my PC as I shoot. I am a dreamer apparently, who uses a PC now days?!
I like my Pixel 6, but I agree that Google's portrait mode is trash. I get better results taking a normal photo, then adding background blur after the fact in the Google editing app.
Great review/comparison as always. I too am locked into Apple with my iPhone, iPad, iMac and all that go with them. I'm still happy though because the integration is great, so I'm willing to live with it.
I love Tony's objective tone. You can tell, he doesn't have any inherent bias, or is the closest I have seen to a reviewer not having a bias. I very much appreciate Tony going into technical details. It was informative, educational and entertaining. Big props! Thank you!
Please do a comparison between Pixel 7 Pro and Galaxy S22 Ultra. For some of us that's the comparison to look for since we are strictly Android users. 😀
Yes being pro android as I am anti closed architecture. I am having trouble even considering an iphone. A comparison between Pixel Pro7 and Samsung S22 Ultra would be great.
Nice comparison! Also, any chance the comparison between the A7SIII and the iPhone active mode were labelled incorrectly? The image on the left is more consistent with the iphone shot shown previously...
love watching your reviews Tony..iPhone 14 pro is the obvious winner for being able to handle pretty much any scene . I would never do astrophotography with a phone anyway..
iPhone has some advantages like *iPhone front Camera has autofocus vs fixed focus in pixel *Better stabilisation at 2.8k 60 fps vs pixel 1080p *iPhone can do portrait video at 4k 24 and 30 fps and front cam with racks focus and can adjust the blur vs 1080p in pixel only limited to rear main cam , no blur adjust meant or HDR support or rack focous *iPhone support macro video vs pixel cant *iPhone also support full res 48 mp raw vs 12 mp in pixel *Phone also has way better video in day and night with better HDR rec HDR 10 bit with Dolby vision and Prores * iPhone has better portrait mode with foreground blur and better edge detection * macro cam that can get even more closer than pixel * way better portrait mode
Hey Tony great video I have the 14 pro max and my face detection with or without my mask on is just as fast opening, maybe your settings are wrong:) also I also use LR classic do you edit on your phone or computer? not sure how to transfer to computer
same here. i hate the overprocessed photos of my iphone 13 pro, however, i am locked in my apple universe. have you thought about checking out the sony xperia? (like pro i oder 1 iv, the smartphones for photographers) btw: i really liked the photos of my previous iphone 7plus much more thn those of the 13 pro. even on the older tech they were at least more honest.
I greatly enjoyed the video and you being professional photographer you pointed out some things that could be important if I was looking to blow up or print out my photos. Usually I just take a photo and share it through Messenger or social media but there could be time when I want to blow up one and the details you pointed out is something I will have to keep in mind. I myself have the s21 ultra Samsung and I absolutely love it but I still like looking at other phones as well so I have a good idea of what is out there for my next possible purchase. Your video was both entertaining and educational and you are greatly appreciated. You have a friend in Columbus Ohio :-)!
While I still reach for my "real" camera for anything telephoto I've found myself grabbing my phone a lot more recently. Love my Pixel Pro, but most modern flagship phones have pretty good quality.
It's why the iPhone is the choice of the most experts and the big mass consumers.. for different reasons.. but both know why they are and keep being with iOS/iPhone hardware..
How much of the flare in the iPhone into the sun pic (@6:30) would be eliminated with an ND filter ? 2 stops ? 4 stops ? How much dark detail would be lost ?
would like to see a comparison of video taken indoors, and between the ultrawide and standard/wide lenses (because ultrawide is more useful focal length but sensor isn't as good). GREAT VIDEOS! Wow. Surprised you came to the opposite conclusion about astro vs. other reviewers.
I’m not sure how it’s ‘unfair’ for Apple to make their products to work better together, to integrate better, and to be more easily functional. That being said, this was a well done review, exploring the strengths and weakness of each phone’s camera system. Thanks.
Because they don't grant the same connectivity options to third-parties. They could let Android fully participate in iMessage, for example, but they block them. They pressure consumers to choose iPhone by making it uncomfortable to text non iPhone users. APIs that are available to Apple accessories, such as the Apple Watch and Airpods, are not made available to third-parties. They're reducing consumer choices by artificially extending their market domination from smartphones to computers, headphones, watches, etc.
Why didn't you use the Pixel's telephoto to do a portrait, and avoid that horrible over processing? The obsession with totally out of focus backgrounds is over done imo. A sense of place can often make a portrait more interesting.
and the winner is .. hold up cause S23 Ultra coming and I don't know if Tony will ever get a Xiaomi 12s ultra and if Sony releases Xperia Pro-i ii near future. I am still holding up my breath for couple of month before I would decide which Phone I should buy or maybe get the X-T5 instead!
Good thoughts and review. I’ve tried the rebel thing haha and it didn’t work. Had to carry two phones if I wanted to stay in family and friend circles. Using only iPhone just makes me want to use it less as I prefer how Android works for reasons you touched upon. I had the 12 Pro Max for a year and had to use a case too. Ugh Apple eh?
check 1:35 minute please and tell me that u are joking u are literally looking at the iphone and u say that is over sharpened(yes a little) and it's not adding any more details over the pixel 7 pro? am i blind or pixel shows the wall like a total mess (it's making it look like mud behind the flowers) on iphone u can clearly see the texture of the wall and the lines of it even in 12 mpx..when u compare be fair with everything in a picture
I have both and for overall use, I still prefer the the iPhone. The app crashing albeit not crazy bad, but is frustrating. I prefer the user experience of iOS. Apps are better optimized. The Pixel is my favorite Android edging out the Samsung Ultra 22, my previous fav Android. Great vid!
The s22 ultra has updated it's software. There's also a camera assistant app on good lock now that's lets you adjust the camera lens you use, and shutter lag decrease
iPhone 14 Pro Max for the win…. Google Pixel is good but camera features out of box with the iPhone plus it’s ecosystem puts it above Google…. Also the iPhone camera app doesn’t crash like Googles. Also, remember when Steve Jobs created the iPhone it was supposed to be the Porsche of the phone market… he wanted to build a life style brand like Nike. Also there is a core belief at Apple that vertical integration is the best way at to go to ensure software, hardware, and user experience is fully optimized vs Android phones that use more generic parts.
My 14 Pro Max makes amazing macros and the ProRAW 48MP files look really nice. Still, they are not as nice or as detailed on a per-pixel level as the 6MP RAW files from my Nikon D70s that came out in 2005, which says a lot about fundamental physics not being overruled by technology. Even my S22 Ultra's 108MP camera can't beat that old Nikon APS-C sensor. Computational photography can make something edible and even yummy from bad ingredients, but it can't fool, much less satisfy, discerning eyes.
You'd be surprised! Do some side-by-side comparisons, including low light and astrophotography. The iPhone will win most common photo scenarios, according to our testing.
Absolutely! Try Halide Mark II- it’s far better than the default camera App. You can chose to just shoot in Proraw with minimal computational adjustments.
And I wouldn't buy Apple because I like to own the things that I buy. There was literally a court case that allowed Apple to update the software on your phone to make it stop working altogether. Apple actually argued to be allowed to do this. And the court allowed it.
Nice review. The Pixel's portrait mode was truly awful! Did you take just the one photo with it? I love my freedoms and don't like the idea of paying a huge premium only to be treated life a serf. Hence, I stick to Android, and on the Android side Pixels offer the best, most secure and updated software experience, not to mention being hundreds of dollars cheaper. Hence...
The iPhone pro Max is twice (!) as expensive here so not really any competition. I would rather get a cheaper phone and a pocket camera like the RX series with 1" sensor.
I previously made a video where I said my past experience with other smartphones showed no additional detail, but subscribe to see the actual test. Then, as promised, I made this video where I actually test it and show that it does have slightly more detail.
Great review, soon in the market for a phone so very timely. Ya, only reason I am considering Apple is because the phone can connect to Apple Health (having some more support from various devices) and the camera on the iPhone for me seems to be the better choice most of the time. Apple does have some interesting features (Air Drop I think it is called) that I see useful but some of this can be done with the Google as well, but not as well integrated. One thing I believe important that you did not mention is the firmware updates...a friend of mine is still getting the most recent iOS for her iPhone 7! Apple can always change this policy, but up to now, considering people are keeping their phone's longer, the higher price may be justified instead of upgrading your phone every couple of years so the most recent Android OS can run. Based on how impatient she is I would also say the device speed is keeping up even after 6/7 years. So, depends how often you update phones. I can't blame Apple for their direction having more seamless interaction between devices, but the price is very high in my view and I see no technical reason Google could not do similar things or better, as they have the talent and deep pockets if they had even half an inclination.
Thanks for this review. I was on the fence about the pixel 7 pro, but seeing how bafflingly bad the portrait mode is I'm going to skip and wait for something better to come on the radar. Apple is not an option due to the anti competitive behaviors you mentioned. I'm not going to buy anything from a company that is actively hostile against its customers.
That pixel really is terrible , you get an axing shot about 2-3 times out of 10 . So inconsistent. As for video it’s ok better than the 6pro but nowhere near iphone level . I actually prefer my 13 pro max to the pixel 7pro too. All the gimmick but still can’t win it
I ended up getting the galaxy S22 after looking at everything the big daddy S22 would have been a better choice but I hate big phones and big cameras 😂 so I stayed small im pretty impressed with it over all definitely does a better job at night then the S10
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Amazing video, but please look out for speech levels - what you are saying in studio is louder than on camera. Watching this at night gets annoying.
It already felt too far with the 4x on the 6 Pro and with the 5x on the 7 Pro, you're just super far away from your subject. I really hope at some point in the future we see more variable zoom lenses on phones. Samsung has massively leapfrogged both Apple and Google in their portrait modes. Google's got worse and it's baffling.
@@ajwasthere Maybe it's not as quick with whatever the apple photos is called. But Google photos is fast enough for me. Or I can just use the windows link app.
Hi from uk 🇬🇧 😊 My 6 Pro pics from last year looks better pics than this years 7 Pro pics for sure. I’m glad I opted for the 14 Pro Max this year, the raw 48mp pics are outstanding once edited. However, I have bought the Reeflex Pro Camera App and the options to alter exposure etc settings, enabled you to take far better pics than the native 12mp iPhone camera, especially indoor shots. I thought the main camera would be better than it is, so I shoot in raw mostly! Cheers for this Tony! ❤
