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Is a Green Gas Giant Like Jool Possible? 

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Jool is a green gas giant in the game KSP, but is that even possible? Most gassy planets like Jupiter and Saturn aren't even close to
being that vibrant green color. This video checks the plausibility of such a green gas giant by finding a green gas and its
compatibility when found in the conditions around Jool, using phase diagrams.
EDIT:
Misspelled "Algea" should be "Algae"
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Jupiter's Hot Upper Atmosphere
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Jupiter's Auroras Explained
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@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
I have not said this explicitly in the video: Chlorine was the only green gas I found and thus the only thing I "tested". The conclusion that I should end with: The possibility of a green gas giant like Jool is near impossible. Theoretically may be possible, but due to the fact that Chlorine is not that abundant, green gas giants will not form, meaning that I deem it not possible: "Chlorine is a minor constituent of the Universe, with a solar abundance of only ∼3 × 10^−7 relative to hydrogen (Asplund et al. 2009)" For every 1 part of Hydrogen, there is 0,0000003 part Chlorine; in other words, there are around 3 million parts of Hydrogen for every 1 part of Chlorine. Other gasses that have been mentioned face the same problems. Abundance, or lack thereof... Edit: there are also more complicated molecules and substances that can influence color depending on a lot of variables. So maybe based on that, there might be a composition that would result in a green color. But due to the fact that there is a great amount of combinations, it would be something worth of a scientific paper to determine it, if there is indeed a solution at all.
@liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaav
@liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaav Год назад
Flourine and hydrogen are also green gas
@grubby.mp4
@grubby.mp4 Год назад
If there is around 200 billion stars in the galaxy, and that amount is also the amount of planets, and every 1/10 is a gas giant (so not terrestrial, dwarf or an ice giant), that would mean there is only, like 6-7 gas giants like this in the entire milky way. and this goes of the assumption that all of the chlorine hasn't reacted with more common elements such as Hydrogen (HCl), or even Iron (FeCl2 or FeCl3), Magnesium (MgCl2) or some other compounds or elements. so even if we are relatively generous in our calculations, when accounting for the entire milky way, it's still EXTREMELY unlikely to occur, even on such a large scale. however, if we do this for the entire observable universe, there will probably be billions of these. oh well, it's stupid space game, whatever.
@nathan12479
@nathan12479 Год назад
​@@liaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaav Hydrogen would be more on the blue to ultraviolet range, and pretty transparent. The hydrogen layers of Saturn and Jupiter are practically invisible. Fluorine would be more yellow as whilst it is true that it emits green light, it also emits red and yellow light. Meaning the gas would be yellow. A mixed atmosphere of both would also look Yellow because the Hydrogen would most likely be transparent compared to the much more emissive and dense fluorine
@KerbalAddict
@KerbalAddict Год назад
That's why it's a kraken fart.
@Versuffe
@Versuffe Год назад
Maybe the green element is the reason why all life is green?
@ganymedemlem6119
@ganymedemlem6119 Год назад
It's not easy being green.
@SavionKirby
@SavionKirby Год назад
The lovers, the dreamers, and cheeseeeeeeeee
@ASTER-IX
@ASTER-IX Год назад
*blue dabode dabodai*
@William_5956
@William_5956 4 месяца назад
@@ASTER-IX im blue if i was green i would die*
@limo1795
@limo1795 2 месяца назад
real
@gajusz4372
@gajusz4372 Год назад
Another issue with chlorine is that it's really reactive, so jool's atmosphere would be devoid of gasses like hydrogen and methane if it is indeed chlorine giving it it's colour
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Very good point!
@garunixreborn2416
@garunixreborn2416 Год назад
chlorine is also too yellow
@ortherner
@ortherner Год назад
You should do a video on how Ike formed around Duna. It's interesting how their almost binary planets and orbit close to each other, and are tidally locked to each other.
@bboi1489
@bboi1489 Год назад
The video "The theory of Duna" uses all the science data to suggest it formed the same as our moon, via bombardment. It possibly formed a ring around duna, with Ike still intact, and the duna ring hit Ike, causing the Duna Ejecta. Basically, Duna is Mars backwards. It's formed a ring first in its early years, it's in its ice age later, and it's still currently geologically active. Whereas Mars already finished it's ice age, isn't geologically active, and hasn't yet formed a ring.
@limo1795
@limo1795 Год назад
They are tidally locked to eachother? I think ile formed like how our moon formed
@kaskaideking
@kaskaideking Год назад
here how step1 :in unity make a round sphere step2 :add mererial and textured step3 :place in position step4 :add physics step5 :press play. (DONE)
@bboi1489
@bboi1489 Год назад
​@@kaskaideking hardy har har
@AstroChara
@AstroChara Год назад
That part seems to be based on Pluto and Charon.
@deltainfinium869
@deltainfinium869 Год назад
I always assumed it was some form of atmospheric life. Like little bacterium that inflate themselves with Jools gasses to be low density and float to the top like balloons where they slowly photosynthesize.
@gajusz4372
@gajusz4372 Год назад
Taking into account the rarity and reactivity of chlorine gas, this is the most propable option.
@Apeironn87
@Apeironn87 Год назад
ohh like algae?
@bradandgensar6658
@bradandgensar6658 Год назад
wouldn’t that mean jool would have to be closer to kerbal so we could see the green? Wouldn’t it make more sense if the algae was much lower in jools atmosphere from the cold? I have no idea on this
@TheUlquiorraCifer
@TheUlquiorraCifer 9 месяцев назад
@@gajusz4372 It could be Gaseous copper.
@cybercat0564
@cybercat0564 2 месяца назад
@@bradandgensar6658 Maybe they like the heat in the upper atmosphere?
@massnash
@massnash Год назад
If your final theory is correct, that could aslo perhaps explain why Laith is warm enough to have liquid oceans, as perhaps some of the gases in Jool's atmosphere expell heat towards Laith. Just a theory lol
@johnathanegbert9277
@johnathanegbert9277 Год назад
Laythe*
@traleras1
@traleras1 Год назад
You actually mentioned the kraken farts haha.
@thegamer8625
@thegamer8625 Год назад
I think that this is why Pol (or Bop, I don’t remember) has something curious on it
@Meowzofficial
@Meowzofficial Год назад
[KSP 2 SPOILER ALERT] I think it´s algae in the athmosphere causing the green . BUT in ksp 2 jool has a solid surface (I had a high hope they made realistic gas gigants so I threw a probe into jool and just below the clouds is a surface) and the clouds have a kinda "grain" effect wich could be larger organisms flying around and feasting on the sunlight and gases in the athmosphere
@gajusz4372
@gajusz4372 Год назад
Christ i just had a shower thought, what if chromium chloride dissolved in water droplets is what's giving Jool it's colour? Like chromium chloride is a deep vibrant green, so you wouldn't need a lot of it, its also quite stable, so it shouldn't react with anything and it's abundant enough, so that it could dye Jool green. Well there is a problem, that ammonia would react with it, forming chromium hydroxide, wich would sink, but IMO that's still better than chlorine, wich would react with everything.
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Pretty cool idea!
@tankhistoryfordummies
@tankhistoryfordummies 5 месяцев назад
There may not be ammonia in the atmosphere as it is only found in Jupiter's atmosphere. Jool's atmosphere may be just hydrogen, helium and chromium chloride.
@laikavoid3364
@laikavoid3364 Год назад
Making videos no other ksp youtuber makes! Keep going, these informative videos are awesome!!!
@DrHuman-fj5xl
@DrHuman-fj5xl Год назад
I'm not sure if you have done this, but in ksp2 dres has small rings, how did they get formed? Also love your work keep it up!
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
I did make a video about it but it only talks about one possible origin
@jingjumao175
@jingjumao175 11 месяцев назад
my theory is that since KSP takes place in a K type star system, it is much older than the sol system, thus it is possible that much of the asteroid belt has formed into one body, which is dres, and the asteroids orbiting it are ones that missed and slowly slowed down because of gravity assists
@captainfraser3827
@captainfraser3827 Год назад
kraken farts is my goto
@pico1136
@pico1136 Год назад
Oh my god! I always wondered if it was possible, and I finally found a video about it!
@houdiniface8687
@houdiniface8687 Год назад
giant Shrek planet
@Meowzofficial
@Meowzofficial Год назад
Congrats on 2k !
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 Год назад
You just need enough space cows eating enough space grass
@sdgsrf2123
@sdgsrf2123 Год назад
you explained the phase diagram better than my physics teacher, thanks to you, i finally understand the yellow lines(in your diagram), even if it is late. lol
@peperoni_pepino
@peperoni_pepino Год назад
What if the green is just blue+yellow? Would a mixture of e.g. methane (light blue, see Uranus) with something dark yellow (sulphur compounds?) work? Or maybe Jool is made of "glow in the dark"? :-P
@nathan12479
@nathan12479 Год назад
The issue is density they'd seperate into different layers and bands rather than mix. If you really want a green then trace amounts of Chlorine and Ammonia gasses may achive this with the vast majority of weight being Hydrogen and Helium. Some small amount of sulphur may assist in off-setting the blue that would be caused by raleigh scattering however. But this is such a specific example because it is just so much easier to have Blue, White, Yellow, Brown and Red in a Gas Giant.
@nathan12479
@nathan12479 Год назад
This said, the green you'd get would be a pale yellow green
@peperoni_pepino
@peperoni_pepino Год назад
@@nathan12479 Nice, thank you.
@xanderrariden7744
@xanderrariden7744 Месяц назад
A mix of ammonia and methane might cause a green atmosphere.
@elpyrof2p926
@elpyrof2p926 Месяц назад
​@@nathan12479 One question and how would you get a white gas giant? and apart from that I want to know if that green is still functional in a gas giant far from its star at 51.8 AU from it, with a temperature of -236 °C, with a star with a solar mass of 1.05 and it is a type star G0, I say this more than anything because I'm looking for something surprising in the gas giant apart from the fact that it has rings and that's it
@General12th
@General12th Год назад
I like the little cutouts of you. Very MatPat-like!
@sdsdsdsdsdsd9225
@sdsdsdsdsdsd9225 Год назад
I like this
@thegermanempire8337
@thegermanempire8337 Год назад
Very noice video
@joemetelesernesto
@joemetelesernesto Месяц назад
Fun fact if we put jool in our solar system it would not be considered giant becouse jool is almost as big as earth
@misanthropichumanist4782
@misanthropichumanist4782 Год назад
What about liquid droplets or solid particulates as the causative agent? Or some form of structural color? What about effects of the host star's spectrum?
@guilhermerafaelzimermann4196
@guilhermerafaelzimermann4196 3 месяца назад
obviously jool is only green from the space program accidentally vaporizing so many kerbals near the upper atmosphere
@ReaperCheaper
@ReaperCheaper Год назад
There might be acid rains maybey?
@gajusz4372
@gajusz4372 Год назад
If there is enough water in the atmosphere
@Nomstrr
@Nomstrr Год назад
This was released on my bday and jool is my favorite planet so
@RamanNoodles01
@RamanNoodles01 21 день назад
Putting aside the greenness of the planet, Jool, or a planet like it, couldn’t exist… because it’s canonically the size of Earth.
@ryanmapping7944
@ryanmapping7944 2 месяца назад
5:05 Kraken farts😂
@Pluspython
@Pluspython Год назад
Kraken farts is such a cool explenation.
@nap_time238
@nap_time238 Год назад
What temerature do you think would Eeloo be? Because of tidal heating
@Mr_Bruh656
@Mr_Bruh656 3 дня назад
Fun fact: Book is green because of Ariel algae (At least from I have heard)
@ecogreen123
@ecogreen123 Год назад
sincw it was april fools i was expecting the "kraken farts" answer, was pleasantly surprised.
@MinerBat
@MinerBat Год назад
are there no other plausible green gasses?
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
I asked r/chemistry and r/chemistry for help and looked for other stuff on google. I could not find anything else that could be a realistic candidate sadly.
@VirgoShelter
@VirgoShelter Год назад
I think it may be floating algea-like lifefoms
@j-ray17
@j-ray17 5 месяцев назад
Interesting... I came up with a hypotheses that the green color comes from a thin haze of some sort of metal compound that gets pushed into the upper atmosphere of Jool by its intense winds. What are your thoughts on this?
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ 5 месяцев назад
Could be an option. There are so many different compounds and mixes that exist. I havent had the time to do proper research into different substances.
@anekdoche7055
@anekdoche7055 Год назад
only two weeks age he was only at 1000 subs, now 2.24k, keep up the science, i still have hundreds of hours to waste
@docgonzobordel
@docgonzobordel Год назад
Even if there was a way to replenish the upper atmosphere with gazeous chlorine, there would be chemical reactions between chlorine and hydrogene and other compounds, as chlorine is extremely reactive. But as said, so much chlorine on a gaz giant would not occur naturally, as chlorine is quite a rare element compared to hydrogen and helium.
@sovietunion8304
@sovietunion8304 Месяц назад
Could radon be producing heat it’s heavier then methane so it would sink below That might also explain why laythe the closest moon to jool has enough heat to keep liquid water and life
@hegamingbestgamers110
@hegamingbestgamers110 3 месяца назад
In ksp2, i guess they confirmed that it is chlorine, since there is a surface now.
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ 3 месяца назад
Technically there always has been a surface, but I think they should make it more realistic by having the gas slowly turn liquid or something.
@delayed_control
@delayed_control Год назад
What if the clouds are made of chlorine ice crystals and that's what gives it the yellowish green hue?
@fifofafo3999
@fifofafo3999 Год назад
Kraken farts. End of video
@VestedUTuber
@VestedUTuber Год назад
One thing to consider with the planets in KSP is that they're unrealistically small and in unrealistically small orbits. Everything's scaled down as a QoL feature for the game, so I wouldn't use planet size here as an argument.
@JoinMoonSucks
@JoinMoonSucks Год назад
What about arsenic and arsenic oxide?
@titan-1802
@titan-1802 Год назад
Arsenic itself has a very Low Abundance in the Universe. so definitely not that.
@GIRGHGH
@GIRGHGH Год назад
Oh, I would have thought you would have put out a better idea after the further information...
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
What do you mean? Edit: if you mean what I think you mean, then I'll refer to the pinned comment.
@GIRGHGH
@GIRGHGH Год назад
@@curious_ksp_ Usually when an initial idea if followed by reasons it wouldn't work, at least one better alternative is suggested.
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
@@GIRGHGH Sure, it would have been nicer, but tbh there aren't any worthwhile options. At least, from what I have seen.
@limo1795
@limo1795 2 месяца назад
what about ammonia-methane clouds (like Uranus and Neptune) being the reason why Jool is green, and it would probably need to be at the temperature of 150K which that would be the temperature at 150km on Jool
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ 2 месяца назад
Yeah, nowadays i would probably not make this video again because I just dont know enough about all the nuances when it comes to this. It does sound like an option. Though, how can we get it so vibrant green?
@CatspyArras
@CatspyArras Год назад
"kraken fart"
@Vlad_Ibarr
@Vlad_Ibarr Год назад
A yes, kraken farts
@jonathanhusain9759
@jonathanhusain9759 5 месяцев назад
Also Jool is the size of the Earth
@jingjumao175
@jingjumao175 11 месяцев назад
nono, my teacher has taught me long ago because i asked, turns out hydrogen can appear as different colors depending on temperature, anything other than yellow or pink theres a very specific temperature needed to make hydrogen appear green, if i can remember correctly it has to be higher than normal
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, what I read: it needed something like 500 K, which is way too high in the case of Jool. So I didn't mention it.
@jingjumao175
@jingjumao175 11 месяцев назад
@@curious_ksp_ huh, never really thought of that, jool needs to be hotter for it to be green, so its either made of hard to find gases (unreasonable) or its made out of hydrogen at 500 K (its too far for it to be at that temperature)
@Vlad_Ibarr
@Vlad_Ibarr Год назад
Perhaps is very acid?
@Dodecahedronchannel
@Dodecahedronchannel Год назад
Wait what about tres 4b and trappist 1g
@titan-1802
@titan-1802 Год назад
TrES-4B itself wouldn't really appear Green at all. but thats mostly because we rarely know much about the Composition of that planet. as for Trappist-1 G... that isn't really a Gas Giant, as it is more of a Terrestrial Ice World sitting in the Outer Edges of The Trappist-1 System.
@Superdurpurcool
@Superdurpurcool Год назад
Idk
@PoorMansChemist
@PoorMansChemist Год назад
Chlorine is also far too reactive to be the potential source of the color.
@KizAmethOrginization
@KizAmethOrginization Месяц назад
it's possible AU Microscopii b is a green gas [or ice] giant and it's very young for gas giants to become green they must be hit by intense radiations just like this planet that's why Jool is green and it's orbiting a red dwarf star
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Месяц назад
Thank for that piece of knowledge!
@petevenuti7355
@petevenuti7355 Год назад
There are other things besides chlorine that can make it green, You got to take into account things like ramen scattering, and whatever that other form of scattering is it makes the sky blue here. There's fluorescence of course. don't forget different ionization states ,I don't have a source off hand but I am told that nitrogen will create a green sky if heavily ionized with gamma rays... There is also various organic combinations like pearline green (you know the heavy polycyclic hydrocarbon) that could form in a very hot tar vapor atmosphere.. Not a place I'd like to visit boiling in hot tar is bad but being slowly vaporized by hot tar vapor is another.. That's not even covering the obvious things like copper or boron vapors. But if it was mostly copper there would probably be reds, browns, & black stripes in there too... Kerbals probably also have different retinas, it might be infrared they're perceiving as green... But that's probably beyond the scope of this video..
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Problem with most of those substances is that it needs to be very hot for them to be a gas, or create some vapor at the least Edit: and Jool isnt that hot, i believe
@petevenuti7355
@petevenuti7355 Год назад
@@curious_ksp_ I just assumed it was... I Don't know... Too hot and the organics break down too though. I'd guess 300-400°C give or take to work, but I'm just guessing.. It's fiction anyway, could just say hydrogen filled floating algae!!!
@docgonzobordel
@docgonzobordel Год назад
Very interesting comment, where did you find those informations ? Are you a chemist ?
@petevenuti7355
@petevenuti7355 Год назад
@@docgonzobordel just as a hobby, I just saw a video about Ramon spectroscopy, aperantly the green line of -C2- sections of organics is less then 1/1000 the intensity of the incoming light, soooo.. forget Ramon scatter for the green, too faint. But plenty of organics have absorption spectrum that would make a strong green color! I suspect if the atmosphere was low in nitrogen and oxygen, and was filled instead mostly with hot polycyclic hydrocarbons and/or some life, you can get that green. And of course there's boron..
@docgonzobordel
@docgonzobordel Год назад
@@petevenuti7355 I can not argue with that organics spectroscopy part (C2 sections ? Ethane ?), but it's really interesting. If we are talking about a naturally occuring green atmosphere, I doubt boron could make it though, too rare to be an important ingredient in gaz giant's atmosphere, imho.
@Jowanoofy_ZO
@Jowanoofy_ZO Год назад
Blue gas giant smell bad does green smell......
@bravoalpha101st
@bravoalpha101st Год назад
Yeah it's possible, I've seen a picture of one in Elite Dangerous
@titan-1802
@titan-1802 Год назад
however, when it comes to Game Auto Generating Planets its always not going to be accurate. so no, it wouldn't usually be Possible to find a Gas Giant that appears Green in coloration.
@bravoalpha101st
@bravoalpha101st Год назад
@@titan-1802 Partially green...
@titan-1802
@titan-1802 Год назад
@@bravoalpha101st good point.
@JYF921
@JYF921 Год назад
kraken fart. definitely kraken fart
@succ5666
@succ5666 Год назад
I could be wrong but the amount of supernovas to get that much chlorine on a gas giant is insane
@Rokos_Basilisk
@Rokos_Basilisk Год назад
A green compound perhaps?
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Could be technically, but those would then be complex molecules that will probably not be able to either form or maintain their structure if they formed. At least, that is how I see it. In the end the conclusion is this: there are no abundant/ simple substances that are green and a gas in this case.
@The_Hybrid_Gamer
@The_Hybrid_Gamer Год назад
@@curious_ksp_ I saw this mentioned in another comment - what about some form of atmospheric life that could produce complex molecules?
@Beardieboi173
@Beardieboi173 29 дней назад
It’s made of uranium powder
@Cc8tv69
@Cc8tv69 8 месяцев назад
i think its made of Klorine (kerbals love the letter k)
@jaypaint4855
@jaypaint4855 Год назад
Uranus comes pretty close though
@darksars3622
@darksars3622 3 месяца назад
I think i know whos getting a A++ in math
@De_Geit
@De_Geit Год назад
Next video im @curious about is why are Kerbals Green? And could we evolve with green skin color if we live on another planet?
@iamthechannel5885
@iamthechannel5885 Год назад
its possible
@GUYEG1985
@GUYEG1985 Год назад
fart gas
@MartinMizner
@MartinMizner Год назад
Since there're thousands of carbonhydrates, then one of them should be able to cause such effect.
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Then the question is how likely is it for them to form in such conditions and such. Also larger molecules will have a hard time being in gaseous form.
@avus-kw2f213
@avus-kw2f213 Год назад
1:55 next trip to France will be bigger ⬛️⬛️⬛️⬛️ ⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ > 🇫🇷 🟥🟥🟥🟥
@kerbal_lord
@kerbal_lord Год назад
🟢Some or most of Jool's chlorine could've formed when salt molecules on the surface of Jool were spilt apart when Jool's surface was exposed to a high radiation event (such as a gamma ray burst) to form sodium and chlorine.🟢
@person4579
@person4579 Год назад
I'm gonna look for a green gas giant in Space Engine, since if my memory isn't failing me, I've discovered multiple green gas giants Edit: I've found a green gas giant, so it would be safe to say that green gas giants do exist in real life. I couldn't figure out what makes it green since there was like 50 types of molecules in its atmosphere for some reason, although some of the main molecules were: Hydrogen (92%), Helium (7.61%), Methane (0.291%), Nitrogen (324 ppm), and Ammonia (265 ppm).
@curious_ksp_
@curious_ksp_ Год назад
Space Engine is procedurally generated and not entirely scientifically accurate. I wouldn't take a computer generated planet as proof of a possibility. But that is just how I see it.
@tartine2463
@tartine2463 Год назад
In space engine, green giants are green because they added theoretical life that lives in the atmosphere
@nightshadows3885
@nightshadows3885 Месяц назад
neptune and ur-anus(the correct pronunciation) are ice giants not gas giants
@dallinmelton5679
@dallinmelton5679 Год назад
Neptune and Uranus are not gas giants
@FenrizNNN
@FenrizNNN Год назад
Where did you even learn this
@juno_idiot
@juno_idiot 9 месяцев назад
they are ICE giants
@dumbidiot4548
@dumbidiot4548 Год назад
WAIT hear me out here: kerbol is a red dwarf, red dwarves make a yellowish light jool is actually blue like uranus or neptune what do yellow and blue make: GREEN
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