Is A Handheld Xbox Series S Possible Soon? 

I don’t think you guys give the Rog ally enough credit. It’s already essentially the 720-1080p version of a series S. 900p is the sweet spot. I know Forza can run on a potato but running Forza horizon 5 at 1080p 60-80fps at 15w!!! Is amazing. Then you also have the option of running it at 30+ watts and getting even more fps is crazy. Games do vary ofc but most regular games run amazing on the ROG ally. Even horizon forbidden west can be played at 900p 45+fps which is a perfect experience on a 7inch screen with great colors

I'd be fine with a lower resolution to accommodate lower power as a portable, but would really love it to match Series S while plugged in/docked. I'd buy that at release.

I love nodding along to these videos like I have any clue what you’re on about with the nanometer rdna supernova wiga whips

Making the screen 800p would help

I doubt Microsoft will pay for premium 3nm processes to make something like a mobile device. Still, I am pretty happy with what the Steam Deck has been delivering. One option would be the new back/forward compatibility team to downscale the resolution for current games for them to run on a portable device.

If it was like a steam deck type deal but with xbox interface id get it.

Here's a selling pitch for portable Series S - on release you can play GTA VI natively on the go - PC won't have if for some time, so no Steam Deck and other x86 handhelds, Switch won't have it obv, and with streaming from consoles/cloud you would depend on network connection and latency. If Microsoft really want to cash in big on Xbox handheld they have to release it around GTAVI and before its PC release.

Why don't they just add gamepass to Steam(deck)? Valve is clearly open to the idea.

HI I Cant see an Xbox Hand Held yet, as Windows 12 is this on the Horizon, Surely this would complicate things ???

Hopefully there's something to Qualcomms more powerful chips with windows.

i was thinking microsoft could repackage the series s as a dedicated gaming handheld and works just like the switch with a console like ui without any bells or whistles where it only plays games first and foremost. not like the steam deck or rog ally

One issue that is always the biggest thing going against gaming handhelds being extremely powerful is just the power usage. I mean, the ROG Ally, one of the most powerful one realistically can’t be used for more than 2 hours without being wired. And that’s being generous. The Deck, Ally, GO all have performances of at least a base PS4, which the latter 2 being slightly more. So imagine trying to do a series S performance. Yes, nah be feasible. But convenient? No

With the amazing library of games for the Xbox 360, why not just make a handheld with a 1080p screen that can handle those games? Some built-in auto hdr, 60fps boost, and AI upscaling on an oled screen would be killer. Plus it would have the ability to stream Xbox Series quality games when connected to 5g wifi.

It'd be like the most powerful handheld there is

2:10 Xbox series P aka XP would be powerful at a 55wh max battery, but cruise around 15-30wh. But the main purpose for Xbox handheld is to have native game installs and xcloud and Gamepass options available on the go. What more can you ask for? The handheld shouldn't be about competition with consoles or other handheld yet, but just to introduce what many been asking for from Xbox since 360 years. Xbox handheld with expansion card compatibility will be 1st steps in the direction of W's future.

Tsmc 2N node will use both gate all around transistors which just on there own will give a 15% power draw reduction. That's beyond the power reduction from scaling from 3nm to 2nm but it will also have backside power which will have additional reduction in power draw at least 10%. APU that use 2N will probably be a combination of zen 6/rdna 5. I think with the reduction in power draw and the architectural improvements from the CPU/GPU that it will be feasible to have a PS5 level of graphical settings but at a 1080p resolution as long as they are leveraging machine learning suites of upscaling/frame gen/denoising.

Giving that my legion go is smashing 2042 at 1280x800 ultra textures 16xAF and medium settings between 60 and 80fps its doable alllll day long

I think it would be smart for xbox to launch a handheld console and a new xbox when the next generation arrives. Maybe next year they can launch an xbox series X "pro". But releasing a handheld now is not a good idea since we are mid generation right now and even series S is somewhat struggling with new games, let alone games coming out in 2025.

Well, if they go the ARM route, perhaps they could pull it off.

Did you guys come out with this just days before AMD announced their APU with "4070" performance. I doubt it will be that good but if it was even like a 6600m in a handheld that would be so crazy

Portable consoles that can maybe dock in some manner, for those who prefer to game on their TV, is likely the future in general. Question mark.

We need this portable asap.

LPDDR6 Will save the day. The memory bandwidth is the biggest bottleneck right now.

Resolution is not the problem. I'm sure you can play a PS1 game at 1080p. Just to say is not the posting to be that hard work the GPU is doing but all the effects, poligons behind it. Maybe a Handheald Xbox would be ok for Xbox and 360 native games and for sure Indie games as well. I think reducing poligons is better than reducing resolution.

Perhaps next gen? With RDNA5 and Zen 6

I think you could hit S power targets if they have a doc.

The latest AAA games already don't play on the Steam Deck. They need a spec bump.

I think microsofts plan was to make a handheld as a next gen platform. Instead of a series x/s combo that they did this gen it will be an x2/ handheld for next gen. The handheld would be more like a xbox branded rog ally. Likely playing games at 1080p at 60/120 using vrr. If thats the case the handheld is years away maybe 2027. Likely an rdna5/zen6 combo with at that point maybe lpddr 6 ram. If you look at the tsmc 2N node there will be alot of power efficiencies that will happen by then. There will also be a whole suite of AMD machine learning frame gen and upscaling that will be on tap.

If they did that would be a great product. Personally I think the Series S is pretty decent. Scale it down to a 900p screen and the games would still look good.

Series S power in a handheld may sound like overkill, but if that handheld is a hybrid, Series S quality feels like the bare minimum.

theres already handheld pcs with gpus going up to 8.29 tflops at least

Hopefully this video doesn't age well. 720p On SteamDeck-OLED looks FANTASTIC. I see no reason for Microsoft to target 1080p handheld mode. Im sure having having half the rasterization performance targets of the current SeriesS is more than achievable with current 4nm/3nm. This may require some extra hardware accelerated upscaling though for improved efficiency .

The only way it’s happening anytime soon is if they design a completely different class of hardware that can run Series S code using HLE or a VM of some sort. An M2 iPad Air is fairly close to Series S in terms of raw power. Something like that with an active cooling solution and an x86 to ARM translation layer could do it. Would cost a fortune though compared to the standard non-portable Series S.

Honestly I hope Microsoft doesn’t include full parody if they decide to do an handheld I just see it adding more annoyance for developers having to optimize a 3rd system for Xbox

I think the point he is making is about not having yet another target profile on a "same gen" Xbox, but just doing a portable device that replaces the Series S.

That’s what they should have done with the dual console thing. The X and a handheld S that came with a dock.

it’s not really matter of tech but cost.

Not a chance of getting anything like that anytime soon, the power needed is just too high. Valve worked actual voodoo magic to get the performance the Deck provides at 10W - 15W TDP. To get Series S levels of performance in a handheld device at even a 20W TDP is probably another 5 years out

This is what the series s should have been at launch of the series x and s.

Console seller, I need your most powerful handheld console

Am I the only weirdo that prefers handhelds but always plays somewhere I can plug in? Even when I played my OG clear GameBoy I sat in bed and was always plugged in.

Series S perf handheld is a mistake, they should and go for 1080p 60 with the quality they know from the controllers they build already, xbox should not cheap out on this..

First off nobody knows what Microsoft has up their sleeve what they wanna spend and what’s out there that they can get in bulk for cheap… whose partnering with them who’s making the deal for what chip said I think they can do a total portable dockable handheld series S style graphics maybe a little more powerful. This might not come out until 2025. … and then 2027 the next Xbox

The raw performance of a Series S? No. Similar graphics settings and fps performance of a Series S but rendered at a lower resolution to where it visually looks the same in person when viewed on a small screen? Very possible.

Xbox has a chance to make a hybrid console like the Switch but give it next gen specs like giving it a graphics dock when you're at home on the big screen.

I'm sure they could do even almost PS5 in my opinion if AMD wanted with next gen APU, they just needed to add support for LPDDR5 + GDDR6X or even GDDR7 having the ram for system and GDDR6x/GDDR7 exclusive for the GPU with high bandwidth at high data bus bits. I mean the ~8tflops RDNA3 from 8740U will never perform like a real 8tflop in the real world of a true well made same 8tflops GPU with just LPDDR5/X, it's severly mem capped just liked this gen of desktop GPU's, some AMD models have almost twice the raw performance of the last gen RX6000 series same model yet perform only slightly better due to the severe cuts AMD did in the god damn memory bandwidth. If they could make like a 10 TFLOPS next gen APU with proper 400GBps GDDR6x or even GDDR7 exclusive to the GPU it would really annihilate PS5 specially cause the screen wouldn't ever need more than 1080P to handle in a portable device VS PS5\Xbox Series X which should target as close as possible to 4K.

What are you on about? I run Starfield on my ally at 1080p high settings and get 60-80fps. Max settings 1080p Baldurs gate 3 50-60fps. Shadow of the Tomb raider maxed out 1080p 60fps The Ally has evolved a massive amount since launch.

I would buy

This is exactly what they SHOULD do.

Imma say. To me would be cool if it goes out between holiday 2025 and summer 2026. Let the richest company in the World cook

Battery life is the problem!

This with a emulator 🔥

I love all the electronic engineers in the comments 😂

Idk I think I'd get a steam deck it just offers better quality and performance

Perfectly viable, as it'll kick the PSP's arse therefore it'll make Sony fans cry.

Just a docked mode, versus a resolution + FPS dropped low power mode (like the Switch). The Ally comes very close to series S when docked... no your not getting 120FPS on almost anything, but I generally can get roughly the same res when docked 900 -1080p. Now I dont play as many games as DF, but I think most people would be very happy with a stable clocked 780m with a lower clocked cpu (Z1 extreme) or maybe a Z2 extreme? the cpu never hits that theoretical 5ghz boost, lets limit it to 3.5 and give some more juice to the gpu. I think with that, an Xbox handheld would be very viable... but honestly MS just needs to make everything Xbox anywhere, and optimize Windows. MS would make more money by having a viable MS Store, that is not fragmented from the console store, than making new HW.

Steam deck already matches the old Xbox one, as we know steam deck is 1,6 TFlops. Steam deck is great device but it’s under powered. Rumors are next Nintendo switch could be anywhere from ps4 (1.8 Tflops) to ps4 pro (4+ Tflops). So yeah it’s possible. But Microsoft Windows OS= bloatware. The only way mobile windows will ever been decent is when ms takes steam deck and any future hardware serous. Steam os once comes desktop pc and mobile device. Nobody will want game on windows anymore. Unless absolutely have too Cus devs have locked game to bloated windows/DRM/anti cheat to windows only. Windows days are #. Linux is future for gaming. It’s already runs rest of the world. (Mobile and servers/cloud/AI/world gov/banks/schools/collage etc)

Personally I would never buy a handheld console less powerful than the series s.. The series S is already weak enough as it is.. I want a handheld device that focuses on 60fps over graphics. I would rather see an $800 dollar handheld that can actually perform over something $400 dollars that can barely do anything. That's my personal opinion..

Nope not anytime soon.

Dont act like it isnt going to be a streaming device for their cloud gaming service

Steam deck is the proof it's possible....don't mean Xbox will succeed...more hope and dreams

Drop a 720 oled screen 30fps, good battery and I'm all in

You’ll be getting Xbox 1 S not Series S

Target should be 720p30 xbox one performance in a mobile form factor and leverage the og xbox and 360 game library thru back compat. Take a leaf out of Steam Deck's book and unofficially have scores of emulators be able to run on it. Market it for Minecraft and og / Xbox 360 digital download library. Go after tons of indie games to bring them to the platform (just look at the recent triple i initiative) Microsoft can't make games quick enough so push the existing library hard and be thd opposite of Nintendo. Price the 360 games from $5 to $15, cheap and cheerful and capture gamers imaginations.

Waste of time!

As long as it will have a Windows based OS it simply will not compete at all. Windows has too many abstractions and bloatware and its memory footprint is too big to work properly on a mobile device. DX as it is is a very resource heavy graphics API so this will totally cripple the handheld experience. It will not only perform poor but also drain the battery extremely fast. Why do you think all Windows phones failed? A UNIX based kernel is a must for any mobile device as it is much closer to the metal with less abstraction layers which will not only give you better performance but also better battery life. Why do people keep bringing this topic up so many times? I thought it's clear as day by now

Will run Retroarch? No? So, no.

First let’s gooo

ROG Ally can play Starfield at 40fps, XBOX Series-X can only play at 30fps...like a normal person, I prefer framerate.....ROG ALLY > XBOX Series X.....

You guys keep saying amd. Microsoft is ditching amd it’s trash they are going intel and nvidia

I think at this point the Xbox brand name is cancer and MS should either rebrand or just go full third party they won't be anything but a footnote in gaming at this point and they did it to themsleves greed will only get you so far!

I’d rather buy a Microsoft than a Nintendo handheld. Tired of Nintendo nonsense.

More gimped games for the Xbox times 3. Smh nobody cares about Xbox their games or their hardware. I’m not buying one. I don’t support companies that buy publishers and destroy ips