Is a larger scope really better? A prs scope on an air rifle? 

Omg... I think you need a wakeup call. The shooting you do I do with my fixed 4 scope!!!

As you get older the magnification gets higher 😩🤣

I’ve used my mtc 10x42 for years for pest control around our farm and permissions…just bought a 14x50 immersive prismatic scope!!! What a game changer!!! So far for my needs I wouldn’t go back to a conventional scope…amazing feild of view and easy to get perfect eye relief without countless mounts.

Great video 👍 Personally, I wouldn’t argue either way. All I would suggest is, if possible, try both and shoot what you prefer. I use a Hawke Fastmount 4-16 illuminated on ~x12 for pest control (it’s perfectly capable) and a Sidewinder 8-32 on x20+ for my target shooting.

I have a Hawke Sidewinder 4-16x50 on one air rifle and an MTC Viper Pro 10x44 on the other. I'm thinking of replacing the Sidewinder with an Optisan CP 3-12x32 and absolutely love the 10x44, it's super-quick onto the target, ranges beautifully and 10 mag is all you need. Big scopes with huge bells and massive magnification bring nothing extra for close work. Fair enough if you're shooting at 500m in low light or something but not at sub-100m.

Hi , it didn’t surprise that your groups were better with the lower mag , most snipers never use anything over 10 mag and only use the higher mags to identify the target . I think the general rule of thumb is x1 for every 100 yards so thats x 10 for 1000 ! There is a good channel called Gun blue on you tube which tackles the same question 👍

A great vid with very interesting info,well done fella

In vietnam all the snipers had for quite some time was just 10x scopes. But you didn't need to put a bullet only in a tiny spot to affect your target.

Great video, as usual. Reassuring for my 4x16x44 Airmax SF30

Theres this series of videos made by a guy named Rex Tibor, I think, in which you can see that, due to the quality of the glass, some entry level scopes are better made to observe at a specific magnification, even though they are able to go much further than that. This may be something to factor in.

as an old git all my rifles are over scoped! I found it helps with accuracy when you can SEE the target! :) great video and in reality It's all about what works best for you! best wishes have a great day!

I spoke to some experts and they told me that if I am exclusively focusing on marksmanship/target, shooting with my pellet rifle to a my maximum distance of 300 yards and maybe 400 yards if possible that I should exchange my scope for the first focal plane Discovery model which is Discovery optics LHD 3-12X42SFIR FFP. A minority of people told me that it’s a personal choice.

I had the pleasure of shooting a XTI-50 on Sunday, felt very well balanced to me. I’ve started using a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32 for HFT, love the clarity.

What a great watch that was , did something very similar the other week and found groups were better on 10 mag , but when I pushed out to 60 and 70 the higher mag came in to its own ,

No mention was made regarding the type of rifle a given scope application is for. Springer, piston or PCP. Some scopes can't survive the shock like springers create.

IMO your age/eye sight, power level/distance your using it are your main factors with magnification in your optics. I’m 56 and mostly use 10 and up for my shots from 25-150 yards with my PCPs and firearms.

I’m hitting a 30mm bell target at 75yards on 8x with my untuned HW97kt .22. Using an optisan cp 3-12x32 scope I absolutely love the mh10 ret on them.

Having previously used Dioptric Sights at 25y/50m rimfire, it was a considerable learning curve when I started using Scopes for Target Shooting, having previously used low mag hunting scopes on hunting rifles like the AA S400 Classic out to 30y. I started with a Rhino 6-24x52 at 25y/50m for rimfire target, and all the issues you bring up about pulse and trigger were there, and also fitted a bespoke barrel tuner for 50m to tighten groups at that range; but I've slowly modified my rifle grip and trigger control, and a year ago started calling my shots, this last Winter I won my 25y Division, having started 27th ranked overall, and finished 9th ranked. 24x at 50m is a little guess work with 1/4 MOA clicks, although I'm currently leading my Division towards the end of the Winter League, plus the rifle is a 1963 vintage Anschutz 1413, and requires 60 to 100 rounds through it these days to tighten the groups via leading the barrel. May have actually screwed up the 50m competition as I was on a cleaning OCD mission and forgot I had two Rounds to finish, and whilst Round 9 is mediocre, and Round 10 a bit better, I'm not sure whether that has screwed things. However, this Summer I'm also doing 100y Target rimfire, and I've finally up-scoped to a Vector Optics 12-60x60 which has 1/8 MOA clicks, and will be shooting 20x at 25y, 40x at 50m, and 60x at 100y. I imagine further modification of my grip and trigger control will be required, but you can never over-scope unless you're hunting, even my old Webley & Scott Mk3 under lever has a Hawke 3-9x40 on it, and I get 1" groups at 30y, which is about it's limit in accuracy, quite how long that scope will last with the spring recoil is anyone's guess. The Rhino is now on my AA S510R for 25y Target, it's taken a while getting pellet selection right, and the previous Hawke 6-24x50 Scope really wasn't up to snuff, I'll prolly finish mid-table in my Division, and to be honest I didn't expect much this first time out at 25y Target Air, but the improvement has been from a dire 168/200 in Round 1 with entirely the wrong pellets, to 195/200 using Accupell in Round 10, I've since spent 3 weeks undertaking thorough pellet selection (lead and lead free) and will be using JSB Exacts 4.50mm which give 1/4" or less at 30y. However, the biggest challenge has been the Wind, which whilst it does affect 1073fps Rimfire, it certainly makes 12ft/lbs Air a lottery. I've spent more time looking for calm days on a weather app than I can ever remember, Air Rifle Target has been a big learning curve. I don't think the S510R will be my go to rifle for 25y Target, I'm looking at an Anchutz 9015 for this eventually, but also considering an AA MPR Precision for Bell Target/6y, and 10m. Love the videos BTW.

really interesting subject matter. I've been wondering what scope to fit to a Bullpup I'm planning on getting.

As always depends on use .. shooting FT I use a Nikko Stirling Diamond 10-50x60 aka "the Big Niko".. use 50X to range but always shoot at 20X. This is pretty much what most FT shooters do. If I was ever to replace the scope as they are no longer made, the Falcon X50 would be my choice. Glad to see finger is on the mend

Resolution is recognised as far more important than magnification- would like to see you test a lower mag Leica, Zeiss, Schmidt and Bender, Swarovski Leupold etc against a higher mag Chinese brand. Flare control aberration and light transmission on the top end brands, tends to more than make up for the higher magnification of the cheaper scopes.

Do you rate or had anything to do with Immersive scopes? I'm trying to get into Hft/Ft and one of the club experts has recommended them as it's a fixed magnification.

Well, to be honest the results were a bit of a surprise. I think if it was me I’d try one more scope, something in size in between the CP and the PRS. The Discovery just seem too big to me. Great video as always, cheers, Woody.

Viewer depth of field is too much. Pull your trousers up.

Oooh er missus ! cheeky ! Shut that door ! Is that a gun in your pocket ?

You need to cover your crack up mate!😂

I use a Zeiss v4 4-16x44 on my HFT setup, use it on 9 mag for HFT/SFT. (Scope alone for the fully capped version weighs 580g) When I've dabbled in 25m bench rest I found it easier on the full 16mag.

I’m polish, in my country I can shoot on 1x mag and hit vodka bottle top from 7500 meters with 22 pellet, I’m best air rifle shooter in world , like betman

Interesting and funnily enough I was just doing the same test during a brief lull in the winds that are plaguing my Northumbrian hills (15cm drift @ 30m!)! While shooting I felt the higher (24x) mag was more accurate, but the lower mag was always tighter. Hmmm... And then, another coincidence, I splashed out on a new Optisan 10x32 fixed. I'll see where this goes. BTW, cracking sub-10mm group at 40.

on a springer i would go for a heavy duty 4x32 scope with not many adjustments , a magnum springer kills scopes , a hatsan 135 .30 fac ,one of the baddest

which go pro are you usung for spotting please ?

Interestingly i shoot tighter groups at 50m using diopter peep sight than i do with a 40x Bench rest scope.

When will those JSB " shorts " become available ? They seem pretty damn good ..

is that one of your stocks ? great video

Tilly can u do a vid on gun care barbell cleaning and action when u have been shooting in the rain thanks Barrie

I'm 77, and I've got cataracts. I could do with an Astral scope on my guns.

2 x standing 10 x pest control from rest with low power guns ,up to 100 yards

for bench i do use a high mag scope . tried it with the optisan but found it tricky

Thought the rules for HFT limited mag to 10x only?

You definitely have to get used to high magnification scopes at relatively close distances. A have a 40x scope I use from time to time and it can take a while for my head to get around it. Yes, at high magnification you notice all the tiny wobbles, your body, your heart, the tiniest movements are very noticeable. You do get used to it, but it can take a while. The funny thing is all those tiny wobbles are there whatever scope you're using.

What "English" I have I only learned in school, so please help me here. What is the verdict, please? Is a larger scope really better? Thank you for any and ALL replies.

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Shooting a 12 lb gun has to be a real challenge.

Don't get the surprise tilly focus and range find at high mag then drop the mag for the shot All F.T shooters know this

Split the difference and try 15 mag

10 x times in my book

I was always taught, aim small, miss small.

I see, so you're an HFT guy. I'm into FT, so 50x mag is a must to be competitive. I started with a 4-16 and it couldn't really range find past 30m, then 6-24 which also couldn't range out to the full 50m. Now I have a Falcon X50. Most of the guys I shoot with don't bother changing magnification, even on super close targets they shoot both eyes open at 50x.

Jy moet gie geweer reg van hou.

For me absolutely,ffp range find at 30 mag, shoot at 30 mag down to 12yds

£17 for 200 pellets....are you serious?? 🤔