Peter Beinart was phänomenal. As for Bret, he seems to not have updated or nuanced info. His references makes it feel like this talk was done 20 years ago. I was surprised to see that it was just last year. Is he selectively dismissing Hamas's new charter, Ben Gurion's biography (A State at Any Cost: The Life of David Ben-Gurion) and how it is very clear that he was not looking to co-exist with arabs in an equal manner. For gods sake he did not even bother learn arabic while he learnt 4 or 5 other languages. Is bret not aware of revised history books like that by Benny Morris (a zionist himself) on the ethnic cleansing and provocation of jews... anyway, thanks for sharing the talk.
Yes, it is. Thanks to Hamas who the people themselves elected. And the billions of dollars that they used to build a military jihadist state rather than improve their life. Do your research and quit spouting stupidity.
The problem with Beinart's analysis is he views the predicament of the Palestinian people as strictly due to Israel. He assumes that Palestinians bear no responsibility for their current situation. It's also a matter of hubris and naieve to claim that any government of Israel would agree to national suicide as he suggests. He also completely avoids trying to contemplate what all of the Hamas terrorists and Palestinian Jihad terrorists would do once they are allowed in the "binational state." It would be like the US giving citizenship to Al Qaeda. If Palestinians completely disarmed and renounced terrorism, they would have their own state; if Israel unilaterally disarmed, there would be another Holocaust. October 7 proved what Hamas is all about.
What a good and inspirational man Peter Beinart is - I agree with every word he said. Thank goodness he still has a platform - unlike so very many other equally good and inspirational Jewish people/academics/activists in the US and throughout the world! Bret Stephens' views, however, are deeply disturbing! (I await the predictable 'algorythm-driven' robots/trolls' postings/'dislikes') !
OF COURSR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you dont need to spend years debating this... its VERY LOGICAL!!!! even a 10 year old can tell you.. ANTI ZIONISM isn't ANTI JEWISH... remember being JEWISH.. doesnt mean ISRAELI anymore.. you dont have to be JEWISH to be ISRAELI now...
@@pjnadler4648 so being against a national organization makes you a anti semite right wonder why you edited the comment the revelation given to moses ect is a bit different in running a state and core values wouldn't you say
This guy needs to get the names straight before he introduces people and journals. It's "Jewish Currents", a progressive socialist Jewish paper, that I write for; and Jodi Rudoren, editor of the Forward.
Actually, I take that back. it takes her like five minutes to ask a question that I even forgot what the question is, Please, Jodi, ask a question quickly and succinctly. and ask about BDS, is it anti-Semitic? also explain to the audience what the Sunrise Movement is? Most people don't know what it is. Now, she jumps to Ben and Jerry. She's all over the place. Very confusing. .
Both of them are excellent and articulate in their views but she jumps all over the place and sadly, doesnt follow through because she does not have a full command of the subject. I wish I had been the moderator.
I'm sorry to say this, but if you truly believe them both to've been "excellent and articulate in their views" when one (Stephens) basically acted as a stenographer for the IDF and all of Israel's past elected leaders... well, I'd say you'd have been no better as a moderator than the one you've critiqued. Beinart's position is infinitely more sincere, honest, and accurate to the current situation on the ground than the biased, anti-Palestinian bullshit Stephens and plenty of other people like him tend to peddle.
Sick of hearing about anti-semitism. The wealthiest, most powerful, entititled, privileged and safest people in the Western world always going on about how victimized they are.
“If you look at the present map of Palestine, you would realise that it is near impossible to have two states because the Israeli settlements have been built to spilt up the Palestinians. Following the 1967 war, Israel began establishing numerous settlements, or illegal housing developments for Jewish Israelis only on stolen Palestinian land (colonies). There are now thousands of these settlements throughout the West Bank and Gaza, as well as numerous settlements in the Syrian Golan Heights. Settlements are one of the major blockages to a peaceful and just resolution to Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians and other Arabs. The "roadmap" to peace calls on Israel to dismantle these settlements and to return the land to the rightful owners. Unfortunately, Israel continues to expand existing settlements and to build new ones.” Gideon Levy
AT. 1:06 Beinert may be right. However, if Hamas takes over the PLA, I dont think so, Peter. Then, it would be the end of the Jewish people; maybe not the end, but a brutal war of Hamas against Israel. Israel would be in great danger if Hamas takes over the West Bank and the PLA. Stephens is absolutely right at 1:08.
Both are eloquent speakers. Beinart speaks too fast and stammers frequently. I am not convinced that Beinart really understands what it is like living in Israel, even though he claims he does. Beinart has his arm-chair liberal agenda and then sees Israel as he thinks it should be. That is not realistic. Beinart ignores many facts of living in Israel and the within the region because it does not suit his agenda. Israel is not an apartheid state. There are Arab Knesset members, one Arab party is part of the government. There are Arab doctors and nurses in entire medical system - hospitals, HMOs, pharmacies. There are Arab students in all the universities. Bedouin and Druze serve in the IDF and slowly there is a trend or movement of Arabs serving in the IDF. It is not all perfect but slowly there is an awakening of awareness and tolerance on both sides. Sadly, where ever Palestinians as a group have moved - their communities crumble and are ruled by a small group of narcissistic leaders who horde the wealth.- West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Gaza . The Palestinians are suffering because of their own leaders. The Arabs that live in Israel know that their lives are better off in Israel - economically, medically, education, their women and daughters have options. It is not yet perfect, but there is an enormous improvement.
Your comment is the very reason for this debate and the reason that antisemitism should not be hyphenated. By that I mean when people say "how can Arabs who are Semites be "anti-Semitic"? The answer is that antisemitism is Jew hatred. And critics are not accused of antisemitism. Just antisemitism in accordance with the IHRA definition which you should acquaint yourself with.
@@pjnadler4648 So you are saying that anti-Zionism has nothing at all to do with Jew hatred? I would agree. So the people who accuse anti- Zionists of antisemitism should just button it. Agreed!
@@johnhall2612 Hitler and Eichmann were Zionist. In fact a coin was made to celebrate Nazism and Zionism collaboration through the Hazara or Transfer agreement.
Peter is a very passionate advocate for Palestinian rights. Does he include the hundreds of thousands living in refugee camps in Jordan and Lebanon? I don’t think the have rights in those countries. Cannot obtain higher education, have restrictions to employment, etc.? He also states that he is against Hamas yet he doesn’t acknowledge the fact that they brutalize and steal funds from the people of Gaza. I would join a movement to remove Hamas from Gaza.
@@judiwilliams891 You madam hate the Jewish People and does not know the history of Israel : The Palestinian militias and Arab countries went to war to annihilate the Yishuv Israel is a multicultural and multiracial county. You should visit
@@judiwilliams891 You are totally wrong Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people and the redemption of the Jewish people The Woke school that you teach at sickens me and which fake reconstructionist or renewal Rabbi converted you You have no understanding of Israel
