The home theater aspect is literally the only reason I want the headset. That one clip during their presentation when the user was watching a movie on a 100 feet screen on top of a mountain at night, that sold it for me. Imagine watching movies on the surface of the moon, or on an empty beach at night with stars in the sky...
Get a Meta Quest 2 or coming 3. Crazy how Bigscreen App has been around since 2016 and no one seems to know. Also Nreal Air (now Xreal) let's you watch movies and is the size of raybans.
@@laartwork Man it’s because it looks pretty low quality. I bought a Quest Pro a couple months ago with that use case in mind, but the displays looks noticeably worse than my MacBook Pro and OLED TV. The Quest Pro also isn’t very high resolution meaning I can see the pixels which gives it a grainy look. It’s overall just a much worse viewing experience than just watching on my other devices. That isn’t the case with Vision Pro - it has dual 4K micro OLED displays which have extremely high pixel density and can hit 5000 nits of brightness (less to your eyes due to the lenses), and fully supports HDR content. It also does this while having zero perceptible latency, so you don’t feel sick after wearing it for long periods of time (that happened with the Quest Pro whenever I used it for more than 30-45 minutes).
$3,500 for a personal computer is standard for Apple. But keep in mind that it comes with two 4K screens (one per eye) too, but of unlimited size. Then it has VR functions and AR too. It even has built-in raytracing speakers, and about a dozen cameras too. Yeah, the price point seems it’s reasonable.
comes with a headache too. retention should be an issue but this IS gen 1. anyone with experience in an HMD will notice the "comfort" factor addressed by those who got to demo.
Oh yeah, about the sound. I’ve heard the spatial audio and it’s amazing. You are right about the fact that it can replicate a sub. With that said, one of the guys that tried on a AVP said the dinosaurs at the end was breathing right in his face starring at him. He said he turned his head to the side and the dinosaur was breathing in his ear. That type of precision audio would beat with a theater setup. It can be done just not that experience up close!
Good video! Support for 3D video content may renew interest for the format; helping Home Theater Enthusiasts who have seen interest wane with the adoption of the 4K format.
I think its heading towards the direction of the future. They’ve announced that it does do SharePlay with those near young, so that’ll give you the communal experience. But at launch they’re saying it’ll only be 5 users at a time. So it isn’t all the way there yet, but they’re definitely headed there.
I came across this video searching for info on the Vision Pro. Great informative video, so good in fact I subscribed to your channel. Keep making great videos !!! Thanks 🙏
Thanks for the video! I’ve watched many videos so far but yours made me think of whether or not we’d be able to pair HomePods to the headset. So while still not nearly as good as a nice home theater setup, if you could use two minis or even two full HomePods (or more??) that could be at least an option. To your analogy of those who purchase huge screens likely also purchasing great audio setups, maybe vision pro users would pair with AirPods Max, but I don’t think I’m going to want AirPods Max over the top of this thing. The few headsets I’ve used I even start feeling a bit claustrophobic and warm with earbuds in for whatever reason. So here’s hoping the built in audio is good or we get pairing options!
What’s up brother. I’ll say it’s going to be interesting seeing how it affects home theater or the theater industry in general. Good and bad. My previous house has a dedicated theater and I loved it! I set up all the equipment, speakers in the wall, everything. We are planning to build one in this place. You know those setups can be thousands of dollars, so it does make me say hmmm…..😂. As for theaters, we still go when a good movie comes out. It’s another reason to get out the house. As long as movies continue to hit theaters first, they won’t go anywhere. If Apple and other manufacturers can make this thing smaller and cheaper…..uh oh👀
Great comments! Thanks for sharing. 😁 I think it needs to be ~$1000 or less to really get people to buy. If I buy it right now for my wife and I, it’s $7000 not including tax or extras. That just isn’t in the budget for most people so I think sales will be limited until they can get cost down or de-content it a bit for a cheaper model. Bleeding edge tech is always expensive and this is no different.
Your right they do but as you said they are more useful and we know they last multiple years. Even when the next years phone comes out it’s typically not a must buy. So people can feel pretty confident in their buying decisions. Obviously the headset is truly unknown in a lot of areas. Basically I’m super excited/curious but also scared because that’s a lot money. 😁 Hopefully this makes sense.
Oh man, I'm getting to old to keep up with all of this. When I was a kid we had one TV channel in glorious black and white. Six families shared a phone line. We got the newspaper a day late because we lived out in the country. I'll keep watching your videos and try to keep up! LOL I don't even like wearing headphones so this is not for me.
Thank you for watching and sharing, it’s really good to hear how things once were so we can appreciate how far we have come. It’s so easy to take things for granted and not appreciate the progress. Thank you!🙏🏾😁
Great perspective on Vision Pro! Thanks. I confess that home theater ramifications are the main thing about it that interests me. However, in that, I include 3D photography and filming. I think people are underestimating how effective it will be for that!
I agree with you to a point. But what we have to remember … this is the first iteration. The prices will come down for the next and the next…& when it’s down to the price of the iPhone, and the size and weight improves, and it will… everyone will have one, and it becomes communal. Whether you’re in the same room, or across the world, you can share these experiences. This is a developer unit… so the apps and experiences will be in place for the next edition. So this edition isn’t meant for the masses. But those after, will be. Eventually making your iPhone obsolete. And I know 6 year olds with an iPhone. So it’s just a matter of time.
I'm excited to see what they do with content specifically made for the Vision Pro. Imagine theme-park "rides" with some story or game elements or both. Travel through the multi-verse in with multiple vehicles and see anything you can imagine. And a gaming chair or other accessories.
That does sound exciting but I would probably have to dial the immersive-ness down a bit to reduce the chance of getting motion sick. 😁 The ability to dial in the level of immersion is probably one of the hidden gems of the headset.
Yea, hopefully we'll get some major director shooting movies exclusively for them. My guess is Apple is courting movie directors and producers to produce content for it but we'll have to wait and see.
Another thing about it that struck me as curious is that they’re making it a standalone “computer” in its own right, as opposed to just a display device.
Just think about this. TV's do take a large amount of space in our living rooms and seem to always be the main focus point, regardless of how you arrange them. Apple vision Pro solves this issue but leaves another issue for us to deal with. Sharing the experience of movie theater with the others. Unless the prices fall significantly (which I guess will be the case) to the price of iPhone and all can simultaneously can share the same movie. Now that can be entirely possible.
The communal part doesn’t matter to me and shouldn’t to others. I’m not spending precious time with my friends and family watching tv most of the time. Maybe sports and the occasional something but that’s probably it. And going to the movies is a whole different experience which will always have its place for new releases. I’ll be using Vision Pro on my own time to be immersed in my favorite shows and movies.
I thought it could be the Occulus at the time it came out around the time of Maleficent. Imagine being in the scenes of that movie watching the world all around you.
My question is about media. Most enthusiasts have a significant investment in physical media. My question is will we be able to use our physical media in someway through a link up with this device or is Apple simply putting us into a new subscription zone one that will be so exclusive that we will be 100% dependent upon them and their ecosystem?
I'd say I have a pretty high-end sound system at home. I have an Oculus Quest (1st gen) and played the PC version of Bigscreen VR (A movie theater application for VR) on it. I hooked my PC up to all my audio equipment to play the sound through there (So the movie is in the headset and the audio is playing through my sound system) and I've got to say, that was damn near the closest I've ever felt to being in a real movie theater from the comfort of my own home. I completely forgot I was even in my own home for a few minutes, as it was just too good. The theater was about the size of a real IMAX theater btw. There were also other people wearing headsets themslves in the same virtual theater as me, watching the same movie in multiplayer, and I felt the same "social" feeling as I would normally get from a real theater. After experiencing that, I would say yes, I 100% believe this is absolutely the future of the home theater. Even with a lower resolution headset like the Quest 1.
Ohhhhhh that sounds fun! 😁👍🏾 Making the audio go through your PC is key! Then you can get at least 5.1 audio. I’ve been thinking about getting audio out from the headset but all the methods I’ve come up with end up as stereo from my setup instead of multi channel. I think the only way to do the audio side is from a computer and maybe streaming the video to the headset? I don’t know, I haven’t tried it yet. I did pick up a Quest 2 for trial but I haven’t been able to spend a lot of time with it yet. Let me know what tips/tricks you have. 😁
Another well done presentation. I have the meta quest pro and you would be impressed with movie apps on it. I would like to see you review it. It costs is 899 dollars , something to get us buy until they make an affordable vision pro or I win the lottery 😊
@13:18 - your idea is good, and Apple might do it, but Apple already said in the keynote that you can do this with your Mac's screen. So that's almost the same thing, if your Mac can connect to your home speakers.
Its not only home theater, its also airplane-travel theater, train theater, hotel room theater, basically everyone where someone would want to watch a movie.
It seems like a fun experience but that's about it. The subs are where it's at for my system. It's an easy pass for me. Thanks for the info! Like someone in the comments said, it could *hopefully* generate interest in 3D!
Curious. Did you not know this can be done by Quest? Even have several friends join you in the theater (Bigscreen App). Select a movie theater from Grand Cinema to home theater. See and hear each other's avatar. Yes spatial audio, 3D screens. At $295 you can buy 10 for your friends for the cost the Apple... and do it TODAY. I watch movies and shows with friends in other states. We can even give each other high five, throw popcorn. For comfort get a VRbalance and you can watch 3 hours. Trust me. It will blow your mind. You only get sick in rollercoater or smooth motion games. Not watching movies. You can plug a regular power bank into Quest to lengthen time. Everyone in VR is amazed how Apple can come in a pretend they are inventing already existing tech.
Apple has NEVER claimed that they are inventing the tech. But when apple does something, it does well and better than everyone else. In this case, apple is trying the solve the problems with other VRs. And this is basically for Apple users, if you have a mac, there is nothing in the world better than the vision pro. I don't know how people can be so dumb and think Apple is inventing the tech.
Yeah it would be really great if you could also use your home theatre speakers while using the headset. I hope this isn’t rude but the term ‘singular experience’ means ‘unique experience’. Maybe a better term would be ‘solo experience’ or maybe even ‘isolating’.
Yep, I currently 150in Home Theater with a 1080P Epson 2250 projector since 2020. Next upgrade to 4k won't be a projector, I'd rather get the Apple Vision Pro. Apple Music
The answer the question posed in the title: Yes. Forget about sharing, there is no way to share such a personalized experience like that (besides co-ordinated viewings with outer VisionPro users - and Apple wouldn't mind that cause you'll need two units!)
this thing needs 1) HDMI-Input 2) 120Hz support 3) a wearable subwoofer 4) game developers go all in and create AR environments that match the 2d game content
Really good point about over-ear headphones not likely being able to seal! As I watched Apple’s presentation, audio was what I was most fuzzy about. For me personally, earbuds are rarely very comfortable, and they don’t have very good noise cancellation. Now, I have not tried Apple’s latest and greatest AirPods yet; maybe they are much more comfortable, but I’m not optimistic.
Some people prefer watching alone because most of the tv content have adult sense(kissing..etc) which happens in almost every movies/contents. So many family members go out while these adults like content pop up in the middle of a show. So, Apple vision pro is great in my opinion
This is like perfect for me, I saw the flash this weekend and man I realized I hate being in the theater. I cant stand the people there, crying kids, people with dogs????, annoying teens making “jokes” through the whole movie, the list goes on.
I feel like Sony with the psvr2 (600 euros) could already take that market if they collaborated with the streaming services. The multimedia aspect of the headset is definitively a big reason to buy it but 3500 euros(?) is just to much right now.
they were already a lot of VR headsets that simulate movie theaters. As long as everyone has one it’s like looking at the same screen plus you can simulate sitting in a movie theater Playhouse outside whatever. I’m not saying it’s cost-effective just that it is possible to have a community experience while watching a movie with this thing at home if you have enough of them. They’re gonna get cheaper it’s going to be a non-pro model eventually. Rich people are gonna buy a bunch of them At the start and so will certain businesses. Just like the model S and then they’ll start marketing to the masses. The good news they are going to be lower cost competitors very quickly and people are gonna look at the quest two as a bargin at $300 which it is since I have one and it’s awesome.
Agreed the prices have to come down and it will definitely sell more Quest at least until the prices drop. I'm hoping they can get the price to around $1000/ headset. That is still expensive but much easier to justify/afford.
Honestly it’s the immersive video (spatial video) that will kill the home theatre. Apple showed the home theatre experience because people can immediately relate to it. Apple didn’t focus on the immersive video in the presentation because you have to experience it to understand. They did a good job of showing it in a window as a “video memory”, but when you’re actually in the video it’s an amazing experience. The other headsets have this but at a grainy resolution. Apple has the major motion picture studios, music artist and sports connections to make professional high quality content. They also have Apple TV so they can develop their own TV series, specials and movies. I’m sure they’ll have this when you can actually purchase it. There’s going to be challenges because of the network bandwidth required, especially if there are multiple headsets in the house but in a few years everyone will want it. This headset is expensive but I think the majority of people don’t understand the technology that has gone into that R1 chip to process all that video data in real-time in addition to doing the foveated rendering in hardware instead of software.
If they can get a lot of competing content and a model that is much closer to $1K over the next 5 years or so, they could really have a hit on their hands. I believe they will stick with this for a while even if it doesn't sell well for the first 3-5 years. I also agree this is bleeding edge tech and that's why it cost so much. Before the announcement the speculated price was $3K per headset and Apple may not only be breaking even not. Obviously we have no idea but the bill of materials has to be very high especially compare to the other headsets that are out there.
I don't agree with the Communal thing for me. Because I love watching movie alone. I hardly go to movie theater, but still alone. Only because if I needed to watch it on Big Screen or a 3D movie. I think Vision Pro will solve that problem that problem. Yeah, you steel need additional good speakers. Price is the only constraints. I will wait till the Technology matures.
Given the very real DIScomfort factor addressed by those who only had a 30 minute demo, this aint quite it. But it's huge. I'm happy to see what they've done for the UI and PR. lol
I dunno. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but . . . 100ft wide screen? doesn't that just mean you can zoom into a movie? because otherwise if the screen's a 100ft wide it would have to be made smaller no?
People act shock at this and think they have an opinion over this ... This is something that can't be stopped. This is just one more version of it. This one can see screens. The shocking part is we can't take one baby step without it costing dearly and someone looking to monopolize the whole thing ... No matter what it is.
The only real issue that i think this device may have, is having the eyes constantly on the screen for x hours. That is a real threat of damaging your eyes.
If you want theater in headset, thats available now and costs less than $500 from competitors. Home theater is also about sitting with family and friends in the same experience. Why pay extra and lose all those benefits
Yes, I think this will change how movies are made: 3D will have a more real feeling and we can change the size of the screen. I can;t imagine a family night but that will come in 2025 with a lower cost consumer device.
For just for movies, what is the competition, so it’s not expensive. For professionals at $3500 it definitely isn’t expensive. Many Mac way exceeds that price for high end processor. Most people who can well afford it, will not be able to get their hands on the first generation.
Just buy any decent VR headset like Pico 4 (pancake lens 2160x2160 per eye motorized adjustment for IPD , 50 euro for magnetic custom optical lenses if you need prescription glasses, 102 deg FOV) for like 400 euro and you can experience large screen movies. You will notice that if it is too big and you need to move your eyes to see from one edge to the other the viewing experience is not good. Is like you sit in the front row in a cinema theatre. So for normal movies even 3D, is not worth it because is not comfortable to wear it. There is a difference if you watch 3D 180 deg or 360 deg videos, in this case the experience is different and it can't be replicate. For me this is what it will sell it, to watch a concert or a sport event like you are there, I watched Calvin Harris VR Concert, it is a start in a good direction. So no, it is not home theater future, is something entirely different so the developers had to create apps and content special for this. Even if the technology improved a lot since 1850 when first 3d images were made, still waiting for content, hope it will not go down like 3D TV's because no 3D TV channels.
Home theatre is still big TV or big projection screen. Using VR for too long will caused eyes strain, eyes fatigue or blurred visions. I still prefer the Lumiere Bros. way, the cinema or IMAX.
Your comparison with the TV is maybe incorrect. C2 doesn’t even cost 1500usd. Vision Pro might not be as good as that TV. I tried Xreal and I still prefer watching on my TV.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Right, the Vision Pro might just be comparable with the C2 in terms of video quality. No need to go up to G3 to justify the purchase of the headset.
In that regard you might be right, we don’t know much at all about the actual picture quality. So the quality could be on par with the C2 not G3, agreed!
I already have issues wearing the AirPods Max for long periods of time but I’m optimistic the AVP will be more comfortable. Hopefully the weight is distributed well enough without me having to use that dumb looking head strap lol
Amazing! A 15 minute rant, and not a single word about the most important thing! WHERE DO YOU SOURCE YOU MOVIES FROM???? I see no HDMI inputs to connect a DVD/BD player, or anything. Looks to me like it's locked to Apple TVs streaming sevice, which makes it pretty useless. What's the point of this great technology, if you can't watch the movies that YOU want to watch. Not what Apple wants you to watch?
It will come from apps like Disney plus, they said they will have a native app ready on day one. You’re right, Apple doesn’t appear to have plans for connecting to hardware like blu-ray players. Sorry I don’t consider this a rant at all, just me sharing my excitement and some concerns.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Sorry for the missunderstanding. I meant "rant" in a posstive way. kinda like a monolog. If we are locked into what the streaming serices want us to watch, the Vision Pro is useless as a movie watching device, no matter how good the tech is!
I don't know of another consumer level headset that have 4K resolution and HDR support. The user also has the ability to dial in the level of immersion and still see the world around them. That makes it different from what's come before it.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Well, in general I'd say that the Apple VR is lacking both the horizontal and vertical FOV to really immerse yourself from the first hands-on I saw.
They are not at all great for Audio quality. They are "meh". I tried to set up, synchronized my home theater sound system with 130 inch Blown up TV in AR/VR devices, at a perceived distance of 12 feet, with many options of playing the sound - wireless, Connecting by cables.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist It’s a first Gen product.. so what? It’s not the first kind of this device. They added the technology for 3D and it’s a first Gen. You have to look at how much they’re charging for it and what they’re looking to replace with it. Yes, it’s kind of cool. It’s just not worth it at that price point.
I share your concerns, especially regarding audio, which is a big deal for home theater. If Apple would let these work with the Apple TV, instead of replacing it, then it would be easy to let the audio get routing through your AV received and then let the video be handled by the AV Pros. I don’t like to watch anything longer than 2 hrs anyway, so the battery issue would just be a reason to take a break. And I live alone, so I don’t need the communal part of the experience. However, I fear Apple’s attitude would be to force this device to be stand-alone, so they aren’t like to allow it to work in the fashion I have described, because that’s not who they are.
The far future? Yes. But not Vision. We need a lighter and less expensive device. And competidors will also make more flexible software for their devices, that also counts.
if you think $3500 is alot of money then your bar is really low … as far as caring it around you bring your laptop don’t you ? unless you have a dirt cheap laptop, cmon people shoot for the moon !!
No everyone will purchase a Apple Vision Pro, 1) not everyone can afford an Vision pro, 2) not everyone is willing to see a motion picture in a VR headset, 3) not everyone is a Apple boy or girl...not everyone will purchase an Apple Vision Pro so movie producers cannot cater to only a small segment of the population and 4) I would rather purchase a large screen TV for the $ 3500 then a AR/VR headset.
I disagree with one of your points. Producers/directors will make content for Vision because Apple will pay them for it. Either through the Apple TV Service or more traditional means. They will probably make sure their existing content will work as well. Plus Disney announced that Disney Plus will be there on day one. I have no idea how much Apple will spend on content but just like any new business venture you have to invest to give it the best chance to succeed.
“$3,500 for a personal computer is standard for Apple” - Really? Have you checked this millennium? Laptops start at $999 and desktop at $1,299 AIO iMac) or $599 without a monitor. I’d change retailer if I were you.
nah bigscreen is the future its a app on oculus thats preety much a virtual movie theater and guess what your actually with people.. i feel like apple headsets will be a very lonely experience while meta will be more social
I think it's stupid for people to say, "I noticed the headset after 20-30mins" when it's pretty obvious your wearing something as you put it on in the first place! Like shut up! Stop being stupid of course you can feel you have something on your face! People want to be able to do all this without feeling anything on their face which is unreasonable or likely.
I think anything that adds to a more isolated experience is bad for humanity and for society. We already have young people that don't want to go into the social experience in person or at work. Now they can just veg by themselves in yet another dream world. We should be creating experiences that bring people back together in a more social collaborative way, not things that create MORE isolation. Fortunately, this product prices out that generation. But I hate the concept.
Interesting point, I wonder what this will do to the human psyche in 20+ years? I haven’t thought much about it (been excited about the tech😁) but really appreciate the comment. 🙏🏾
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Just FYI, I am a big-time geek, own an IT firm and have been into and owned home theater systems for 28 years. What I hope is this new gadget will complement existing experiences but not replace the tradition of experiencing cinema with friends and family, in or out of the home.
It sounds like you have a nice setup! 😁 What components are in your theater now? I hope it’s additive too, because the experience looks amazing but I don’t want to be cut off either. 😁
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Hi thanks for asking. Sony 7.2 Atmos. Panasonic UB420, Boston Acoustic THX Lynnfield series mains and center. Sony Atmos upward firing. Klipsch sub and surrounds. LG 65UK6300 TV. My Boston acoustics VR30's are monsters and have been stable and kept up with changes for 17 years. If they go, I'll replace with Klipsch Reference Premier 600M II or Emotiva Airmotiv T3+ although they get almost as low as my sub. My current VR30's floor standing are 42 Hz - 20,000 Hz at 91 dB (1 watt, 1 meter), pretty good. Cheers, Joe
I dont care what anyone says putting this thing on your head for 2 hours while you watch a movie is not going to be comfortable at all .... from eye fatigue to the weight of it and the heat around your face ... I dont care how big the screen can be 2 hours straight no thanks
Dude, the Vision pro is not competing with any TV in the home, with 3d buIt's competing with your local cinema. 100 foot wide HDR 4k plus screen built in beats any home tv or projector. I don't care if it's a singular experience lol.
Only $14K, well then I need to get one for the dog too!!! 😂 J/K, the price is the real issue, hopefully they can bring it down substantially over the next 3-5 years.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist I think it's a gimmick without a large market to support it, see billions wasted on the Metaverse, and their headset was out of reach to most people. Unless you have no life and sit at home every night living in an altered reality, with a 2 hour battery life, I don't see this ending well. Not knocking the technology, really cool stuff, but long term practical, just not seeing it.
What about 3D movies? I'm pretty sure this will be one of the better 3D movie experiences because of the 4K resolution per eye and it shouldn't be dark like 3D glasses in movie theaters.
@@HomeTheaterHobbyist Again who wants to wear a 2hr battery life heavy $4000 Apple helmet see Air Pods Pro Max in bra case for guidance this will be a drawer liner in a week. You are simply enthralled over a nonstarter if youthink many are going to race out with $4000 to buy this you are sadly mistaken. How many 3D moveies equate to $4000 use common sense .
