Is BMW's 2024 R12 nineT the new king of retro cool? | MCN Review 

Nothing is more retro than having no idea how much gas you have left.

Love a Neeves review. First reviewer to say that it’s not better than the previous gen and it has a smaller fuel tank, just for extra fuel roulette .

Really enjoy your reviews as usual … keep it up

Great review. You da man. That red framed version ❤❤❤

The R9T was a brilliant bike, very quick turning, stonking torque, exceptionally fast when you ride the torque at full tilt. So characterful too. Hope none of that has been lost with this refresh, but glad to hear it's passed Euro5+ so that it can carry on.

I replied the same thing on a Daytona 660 video comment yesterday. A bloke was going on about how the Daytona is a licence saver because tou can thrash it and not go too fast. I was like, wait a minute, since when was damn near 100hp not bloody quick? If you want to rag it you're still going to spend a lot of time over 100mph. (Which I dont have a problem with) But lets not pretend that 100hp is not still bloody fast!

This machine is a piece of art!

Great reivew, you summed it up well, I Rode one loved it too, perfectly finished as you mentioned, my one had the stock alloy wheels and the cut is really nice, optional heated grips via the comfort pack, required in the UK to keep the mits warm! really nice bike but just a tad pricy - now to try the Z900.

I figured just a cost cutting, euro 5+ and refresh for the sake of refresh. Vs R9T has smaller brakes, heavier, slacker rake, even lower ride height, torque made higher in range, less power. All steps backward before aesthetics are considered (subjective of course).

Nice honest review 😊

The back seat cowl looks so good on this bike.

Triumph did the same with the thruxtons (which are now ending production). They started removing radiatior guards, chrome bits and sales perks (free backpack, binder, key chain and shirt) they stopped all if that in 2021to save money and make kore profit.

Great video! Can that newer and cleaner exhaust be fitted in the RnineT for the purpose of making older bikes more environmental friendly?

Almost bought the older RNineT and this new one is even nicer. Maybe the price is a bit high (it’s certainly more than I’d ever spend on a bike) but the quality is clearly there.

Still going strong is my 2012 GS1200 with the same motor maybe a little bit more torque with Akro , K&N filter ,cat eliminator and flappy exhaust valve removed brilliant characterful back road blaster .

That boxer engine just looks and goes beautifully

I like this new R12 nineT!! (IMO) Its big improvement over the original is that it has a "quick-shifter", but its downside is that it has a smaller tank/ less range.

My next bike might be a retro. And I really like the Rninety.

Lovely looking bike prefer the R12 saw one at excel with the tft clock really liked it ,yes its pricey but money no object I'd buy it

Yup. Want one.

Captions! We have captions people! You're a beautiful man Mr Neevesy. Thank you.

I was hoping the ergonomics would be better on the R12 ninety. The thing that always kept me for purchasing the R-ninety was the long reach to the handlebars on every model. I prefer to sit closer to the steering head and not having such a long reach.

good lookin scoot

Are these being sold in the US?

BMW in M&P's swansea have been kicked out because of alot of warranties coming back in by customers. Reliability is terrible

Beautiful bike, especially in the brushed finish, red frame and spoked wheels. I just really wish it wasn't shaft driven or had all excessive tech.,

I had the R NineT and switched to a T120. I find the looks and riding fun better on the Triumph.

How does the R12T compare to the Thruxton?

Too bad it has smaller tank now, 18 liter is about right on my R nineT Urban GS considering mpg of this bike. Good thing though they finally finished the rear end of the bike :)

That white one with red frame works for me.

If ever there was an example of motorcycles as rich mens toys… this is it. Gorgeous.

Moto Guzzi has to get back into this segment with a new Griso with the Mandello engine. I love this segment though all the bikes are awesome.

I still prefer the Triumph Speed Twin 1200. I suppose its just the Boxer engine and looks that put me off.

Fun bikes for short trips, making a bit of noise and posing at the cafe, not a serious distance option. Curious BMW put so much effort into a bike that rides inner city laps. Look at me, I'm riding a BMW.

If you could only have on bike for the road which one would it be ?

A bit more power would've made it far more desirable, especially for the price

IMO it’s lost the beautifully simple yet classic line that the r9t had, an update for the sake of updating

New emissions equipment so the engine can only inhale or exhale through 100 different filters I agree, KING of retro cool

After experiencing the pros and cons via many thousands of miles on a Boxer I’d buy one of these. Except, I won’t because of one feature: dry clutch. My opinion is subject to evidence or, at least, a persuasive argument but all I hear is “quirky character” and that doesn’t cut it. So . . . can anyone explain why a dry clutch on a 2024 roadster is a good thing?

I dont know why bmw is still using dry clutch?! It is so expensive to replace. New GS's have been using wet clutch with boxer. I love this bike but afraid of burning clutch in 2-3 years

Triumph Thruxton is still the king… by a large margin 😇

Its predecessor was its own thing. It was not a retro, but a modern bike that incorporated classic design elements into a modern machine. Now we have this - a dumbed down version that mimics something that does not need mimicking. Why?

I guess when Italian manufacturer of that dangerous mirrors stops producing them? Or when BMW stops ordering this exact model of mirrors which they use on their bikes for more than a decade? Moreover they don't even match the concept and forms of the bike. I personally got a couple of dangerous situations because of that mirrors in a city traffic on my GS. To many blind zones.

I have a 2000 R1100R and I wonder if real retro is still king of retro cool over new retro cool?

Beautiful bike .... But BMW didn't listen to its customers' biggest complaint ... NO FUEL GAUGE ...

Chassis is now one and cheaper but charge alot more 😅😅 good old bmw. You want wheels. Thsts extra.. tyres on the wheels. Extra.

I just want a non exposed drivetrain (shaft) to become standard on road bikes

A nice retro, however at a premium place…

From my observations, No, coz the price isn't cool, so the new retro cool is the Super Meteor from Royal Enfield! In my personal opinion , the 650 is overkill, and the standard 350 Meteor hit the Bullseye with vintage style and performance. They were doing great with their Himalayan, the Customers were snapping them up, until the Customers literally did snap the frames. Tsk,tsk,RE. On old bikes the Rider had to key in the right inputs for the bike to go fast, and that's how so many Riders loved small capacity bikes, 125's 250's, 350's 400's , you had to work all the inputs to come up with the magic solution = Speed. I know loads of Riders who find 1000cc's boring🥱 and prefer their 600cc or less bike, the RnineT just has too much power now and the mpg is worse than a Petrol Ford Focus.

Lovely . No pillion accommodation

R18 is too big...would be nice if BMW will make a smaller version maybe using that 1200 engine

The 1300 147hp engine would be epic

Ha ha, you need to be a King to afford it!

The engine covers look like RoboCop's helmet. Not a fan of the new lines, modernised a modern retro with too much electronics.

Great looking bike ,Too expensive like all BMW bikes and to be fair all bikes are getting out of the price range of many, unless your wanting PCP 😮 no thanks,

It's definitely top 3 retros along with the z900rs BUT the price WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE ? and no cruise control and quickshifter ? These 2 should be standard for bikes these days

Engine is the same, annnnd I closed the video. Wake me when they produce a 1250 variant.

BMW: Big Motor Wrecks😹

Rather have a T120. At this price, I'd rather have a T120 and also a few thousand pounds left over

If it sounds like this, I don't want air-cooled anymore. Triumph sounds good enough even though it is water cooled. BMW chose to be complacent even though 10 years have passed since the launch of R ninet. Moreover, at an expensive price

Compared to the last model, the new one is really generic in its styling. If you ignore the unique BMW drivetrain, the R12 could be from any manufacturer. The plastic side covers instead of the gorgeous aluminum casting of the originals is a huge backstep, and losing the intake snorkel removes so much character! Don't get me started on the sad little TFT screen.... thank goodness it's optional. Typical corporate decision making though.... price goes up, content goes down. Shareholders are always happiest when the customers suffer.

Gold forks are hideous on "retro" bikes.

It could be the new king of retro cool…..but isn’t. Why? Because the current king of retro cool is still on the throne in the name of the Moto Guzzi Griso

I really love the looks of the R12 NineT - great job on that model guys. Unfortunately, I think the pricing is too much. As for the R12 - in my opinion, that is the ugliest bike to come out of BMW for a long time.

Super cool bike. Unfort it’s too small for tall riders. A tall rider looks like he’s on a toy bike. A shame!

The new 2024 Harley Icon Hydroglide is actually "the new king of retro cool".

Not a fan of the bikes outline. Looks like a tadpole that swallowed a golf ball

I don’t think this bike has the right proportions.. it looks bit longer .. the wheelbase and body are not matching..

Nope, it’s still the Kawasaki Z900 RS

Nope, not for me. Don’t like the boxer-twin engine configuration nor the styling. Way better retros out there!

BMW please put this engine in the 900XR and throw away that Chinese engine the 900XR currently has

14 large and no fuel gauge. Who said the Germans don't have a sense of humour?

doesn't look like retro at all.

i wuda thought chub was a theif.

Euro5 plus. Typically eu crock of pony. China emissions anyone? Emissions of the us military anyone? Emissions from war after war after war ? Nope you and yer bike is the issue. French politicians massive convoys of 70 plus vehicles, that's fine it's you and your bike and you're one holiday a year that's the problem. Wake up people you're being royally fooked.

No.

Retro?...You must be having a laugh...It's just a new bike....If ever there was an overused and abused term it's 'Retro'...Electronics everywhere and totally current engineering and styling....

try to build this bike, they charge 1000$ for an effin tank paint. What Rubbish and goes to 20k$... for what?

Doesn’t look retro at all 🤷‍♂️

Would be better if bmw didn't support the rainbow coalition.

all that txt over the video is bloody annoying so not worth watching ..I am not deaf

no

looks exactly the same ?!?!?!?!?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

retro is when you can buy a motor with little money and have maximum pleasure! This bmw sucks...only for dentists