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LOL I think people don't crouch because crouching in lower elos = instantly headshot, so when people start out they learn that quickly. In higher ranks where people aim for the head it seems you can juke the enemies' crosshair by crouching and uncrouching like donk. New donk meta seems funny tbh
@@tuananhnguyen1658actually happens a lot in high elo you have to time the Tarik crouch peek correct and it tends to work better as a T because peek advantage and when CTs have A4/A1S. Tarik peeking as a CT is a bit different with T AK pull down into your crouch = harder but can still pull it off with the right timing.
It was fun learning with you. Your commentary added a lot to the demo and made me consider things I didn’t think of when I watched it by myself. You are the best teacher in CS at the moment, in my opinion.
@@pienixcsI think maybe they were rotating to B early because they noticed Faze were respecting them A and Spirit were successfully taking the map control at the start of the round. If you notice he usually stayed heaven or close enough that he could make it back to A around the timing that Faze would push A.
Donk does something very often in his battles crouch + shoot + stand up in a split of second. The stand up is after the first 4 bullets. This does the enemy miss his head (crouch), then miss it again when adjust to the head at the crouch level (now he stand up) and hit his legs. This makes him take the less damage possible. Also this movement makes easier to him hit heads shots because the crosshair goes up again. He does this in 80% of his fights. Combine this with constantly counter strafing instead of holding still and it's very hard hit him.
that doesnt works on that beautiful way. Thing is you can, with lot of luck, kill 1 of these 3 and 2 if any of them fail first bullet, ak is not fast enought to kill them 3 on the 00:00 clip He simply shoots the bullets faster than tick can get, good cheats do it. Don't try to imitate what is not posible.
@@sonaemsi Isn't imitation. You can run the experiment yourself: 1. Go to the normal DM and play the best you can. Focus on getting the best possible KD. 2. Go to the DM again but now use the trick shoot+crouch + uncrouch (after 4,5 bullets). 3. Compare your results. Your KD will improve 20-40% doesn't matter if you're level faceit 10 or a newbie. It's logic: this trick increases the likelihood of enemy miss your head (hitting your legs) and minimizes damage taken. Obvious, while this give advantage in fights, Donk is very smart and always repeeking positions. Don't know if I explain clearly!
do the experiment; go to a tier 1 tournament, try to spray vs 3 players that see you and insta shooting once they see you and count to 2s and let's see what can you do. Even easier, go to a warmup server and try to transfer to 2 players that are far from faze players. You aren't right, it's not just about timings, numbers on the inner code. Transfer 3 players with an AK with this trash recoil is not a reality, even with that, who the fck could go alone to beat 3 guys (which are 4 and even having info from connector guy, its so susp de he has the timing and perfect placement)@@thsstphok7937
I've just gotten to the ad/sponsor so you might've mentioned it. Duck-spraying is often a habit seen in players with either higher or lower than average sensitivity that prefers comitting to the duel/spraying (and especially if the players are fond of aggressive plays where clinically favored methods of approaching a duel don't apply) over bursts/tapping. Whether the following reasoning applies to donk I'm not one to say, but his sens is on the higher end afaik (1.25@800dpi ish iirc). Many higher sens players tend to do it because it reduces vertical recoil overcompensation, while the opposite group (lower sens players) do it reduce vertical undercompensation. Especially normal when the player tends to play incorrect/unfavorable cs to minimize human error in tense situations with a lot of variables and might obviously also gain you a bullet or two as the enemy compensates for their the lower height. It's the kind of habit that you gain when you find your player-style and unless it negatively impacts your game, naturally remains. And as other comment here mentioned, in low level cs, it will cause you to instantly die to players using the floor-texture as navigation.
Nice comment, is the first time I see this kind of cs behaviour theory. Even if you eventually miss the reasoning behind it, this is an interesting pov.
@@LeoVS44 Worth to mention that it was also very meta in CS:S. donk actually does it perfect, having the self-control to wait the first 1-3 straight bullets the ak/m4 usually have before crouching.
Wow this video was a great watch! Would love to see more like this where you break down 1 player's perspective for each consecutive round, it was incredibly informational. I'm subscribing!
The crouch un-crouch and then crouch spraying was used alot back in the day by n0thing (former c9 player). I played some 1.5/1.6 if i'm not mistaken you would crouch alot in that game too.
I think that crouch works so well because everybody at pro/fpl level trained for years to keep crosshair at head level and donk style force them to readjust, guess he can shoot perfect sprays faster than enemy can reaim at his head
The crouch spray is awesome IMO because you can move while spraying or you can dodge some headshots, I also like to crouch if I have to push W up to a position so that I can shoot instantly if someone peaks the corner before I get into the peak position, pun intended I know it is not as good but I also often crouch instead of counter strafe if I get caught moving diagonally or sometimes even forward, it is just overall easier for my brain than doing the counter strafe on forward and especially diagonal movement and I feel like the crouch is better than a failed counter strafe.
The nade in underground is probably just to show presence so that the opposing team needs to check every angle on their way to mid, which means they will be slower on their push towards A. Also on the 12th round (10-1 to spirit), you can see that he goes B quickly to give them a smoke which was dropped in CT and also give some more util to the B players before he goes back to A.
After a while of watching a vod of him, I realized there is only one thing actually making him different than any other russian faceit psycho (besides awareness, which on donk's case is supertop lvl) and that is focus, but defining it as the way he is ALWAYS aware and ALWAYS taking instant and reactive decisions, which if you take a look at any other proplayer, there's nothing that fucking intense anywhere in the game. That's why i think he is known for "w'ying into everyone". The kid is a complete menace, cause you look at his mechanics, and yeah, he is good, but nothing fucking amazing on pro scene. But awareness and focus? The guy is a complete hunter, no chance
His spray control is amazing especially in that 3-man-spray. This demo and donks sprays kind of reminded me of Zenitsu from Demon Slayer: If You Master One, That’s Cause For Celebration. Loved your commentary and insights. Keep it up so we can learn and master our own styles, too :)
@@pienixcs aaah the good classics 👍🏼understandable, but if you do give it a try someday I hope you’ll enjoy it as much as we enjoy watching your content 😉
Didn't have time to check if anyone has commented about this, but I think that he threw the nade in con just to tell Faze he's controlling the stairs, which forces both mid and con players to be aware of that when they go towards toilets. If enemy rushes the mid smoke and Donk waits a bit longer with the nade he could've been easily trapped there.
I think Donk isn't 100% legit. Especially with that play against Faze on De_Nuke. The pro scene is full of closet cheaters anyways and the orgs and Valve rarely do anything because there's money to be made.
@@pienixcs Personally I hope so it's just becoming harder and harder for believe the authenticity of players when the devs aren't really doing anything to punish those who are bad actors. Like the #1 NA player on FPL getting banned for a 2nd time and only copping a 2 year ban. He got banned for cheating before it should be a permanent ban. And the amount of cheating going on in the RMR open qualifiers. I'm not saying all the pros in the top tier scene are cheaters but there are a lot of closet players especially when there is big money involved. Now it's not so much for the grand prize but the sticker money for the orgs and signature capsules.
It's safer to run out of a smoke during full gun fight than to run through when things are silent as someone is waiting for you. I notice donk uses angles or obstacles to try to limit the amount of players his fighting increasing his odds of killing them all, instead of one and done kills.
donk ist ein intuitiver spieler. das merkt man sofort. ist wie ein haus eigener wallhack im kopf! sobald er info hat, wo wer wie steht, kann er zeit und weg im spiel quasi perfekt einordnen. dazu gehört auch eine menge vertrauen zu seinen mates, ansonsten wird er immer dumm geholt, wo eig mate hätte für seine aktionen kurz decken könnten. der mate zB vor toilett hätte auf den versuch des refraggs warten müssen, während donk toilett cleart, sonst hätte toilett ihn weggeholt. und solche denkmuster gibt es nicht oft im spiel. ziemlich selten also, was donk da macht, auch wenn sich einige hier identifizieren damit. "intuitives" zocken funktioniert nur mit einem eingespielten team und "fallen lassen"!
Long Story short, yes he is blatantly cheating, like dozens of "pros" before him, and tournament organizers don't do shit to prevent them from doing so, like it was for the whole existence of csgo, so that stupid naive fanbois have their "omg" "inhuman shots" moments. In csgo whole rosters of fnatic, NiP, Titan, LDLC, VP, Luminosity, NaVi, Astralis, Faze, G2 and many others cheated, and many continue doing so in CS2.
@@pienixcs obviously he is, and many others are. You are a naive fanboy, who wants to believe there is no cheating, while there is cheating all over the place where money is involved. In "esports", as well as in professional real Sports. When you have a good amount of hours in the game and a little bit of understanding of how CS and other FPS games work, it's pretty low not to recognise the difference between good skill and cheating tbh. So either you're pretty dumb, or dishonest. No high tier tournament in CSGO was won without cheats. Read up a lil bit about private hack coders and educate yourself.
@@pienixcs He definetely is, as dozens of others. No big GO tournament since 2013 was won by a clean team. You're either a naive fanboy, who doesn't understand how the game and the industry work, and what happens in competitions where money is on the line, and organizers only care about viewers and hype, ergo money, or you're just dishonest.
there's nothing more satisfying than throwing a set of nades and aggressing with them and winning the round, and a couple of rounds later throwing the same set and walking away from it knowing they're worried about it
the most disgusting play of donk was of course the smoke spray kills on nuke. I would like to hear some pros insight on how this can actually be real. I'd reckon 90% of all CS players would see this as blatantly walling in an online scenario.
Crouching is kinda an old CS1.6 thing. I recently started playing again after years of inactivity and this video reminded me of how people crouched in 1.6 days, especially those who played with dynamic crosshairs. Might be wrong tho, but it feels this way.
I remember there were binds to crouch and jump at the same time, so you basically spam it when you peek and it makes harder to hit you. Not sure if this was a thing in a pro cs at the time, I was too young to watch tournaments
@@TheAngryBiscuitchannel228 actually it was a thing in pro CS back then. I recently rewatched ESWC 2007 final NoA vs PGS and half of the players used this bind.
Personally I feel crouching is far more effective in higher level CS, than it is in lower level CS. This is because High level players will often want the headset, so crouching will "dodge" it at times, however in lower level CS, a lot of people just go for body shots, and so crouching causing you to give the enemy a higher chance of hitting a headshot. I always used to crouch in CSGO at DMG and above, but in CS2 because I don't play much, so my rank is lower, and so I no longer do it, because it almost always gets me killed haha. Its hard trying to play different styles of play dependant on the level of people I'm playing with/ against, but its still fun mostly haha
as a noob, I always crouch when I spray.. when I started practicing spray and spray transfers, I incorporated crouch to it. this has become a habit already, from GO til this day... lol
is he counter-strafing additionally to the crouching or is the crouching the counter-strafing itself for him? I wonder, if he is also only crouching from running to avoid the weird walk-to-crouch inaccuracy bug or if he just sprays so good, that it doesn't matter
As someone who has been using this style for almost 9k hours, you basically counter strafe while crouching. It used to be a lot more powerful when you used to be able to spam crouch and pop up and down instantly
I don't understand how someone can spray like that. Does he just understand where the bullet offset is and mentally adjusts his aim accordingly? It's so mind blowing.
Yea exactly he calculates which bullet and where it's gonna be and adjusts the crosshair in real time Obviously it's trained and it's automatic for him
Lmao, he is obviously cheating. No human can play like a robot. Kid looks like a real life manifestation of Chucky, the k1ll3r doll. He is russian which is a +1 to suspicion score. He is also pretty arrogant and rude for someone who just joined the scenario. He seems to have precognition powers and get information out of nowhere, often throwing random plays that escapes the strats. His aim does a lot of snapping, especially during sprays. And he gets a lot of smoke kills with perfect precision. Shooting exactly where people are. He obviously used some kind of aim cheat and probably other kind of cheats as well.
I dont get your point tbh, what i meant by making them think that he's there is for the con player to maybe play slower or for the ballons/con players to waste util molotoving con while donk is already divider/A site@@MrM-dw9nd
Also look this guys how he dosnt make any useless crosshair placement, always on the point, always in the traget when he flicks, this is like a Niko lvl riffleing but more accurate
This is why i crouch, i feel it working, but most people just blindly say stupid shit like "unbind crouch" when in reality in a lot of situations crouching can be very annoying
@@pienixcscorrect, donk has an incredibly good feel for when to do this stuff, it's not crouch spamming like in apex legends, it comes natural to him and he's very chill about it
He's crouching technique is way smarter than you showed it here. Notice that PRO players look for head with their first bullets. He crouches after first shot firstly getting down he's croshair and also possibly dodging that first shot. Also most of the players move left and right when shooting from the distance. I believe him kneeling several times just breaks this pattern making him very elusive. Addionally even when going for that legendary full spray, when he was crouching he was moving sideways. So the way he crounches is definiatelly not a silver stone shoes style. He broke the meta a bit.
Been playing xplay retakes a lot the past few days, was skeptical of logging into my steam is it guaranteed safe? Skin changer is my main reason but everything else is cool too
I don't want to take anything away from him but watching him during the IEM tournament there were quite a bit of questionable things he did. Like the many random timing kills through smokes etc. Reminds me of flusha.
I don't really find what he did suspicious. He has a very strong game sense and based on when certain smokes are dropped and the lack of certain info around the map, you can make predictions as to where someone is likely to be. Also, he's pretty often spraying and prefiring smokes even when there aren't enemies behind it. I hope I'm not wrong though lol, that'd be tragic.
he has pistol round movement with an ak and i just don't understand how a human can do it consistently. people will be spamming body shots when hes in the server from now on hoping to catch his head down there.
donk is utalizing his whole keyboard for aiming. Often its not only a simple crouchspray he is also kinda rocking up and down and also wasd moving to adjust his aim and spray!
Always see how pros are reacting to the player and youll get a good idea if they are suspected of cheating or not. Doubt youd be able to find a pro who thinks hes cheating given the amount of FPL he plays.
I have this aswell But not when i use my own butterfly :D Matter of fact hearing other people using their knife triggers me But using it myself is rather soothing oO'
Have you guys ever played any counter-strike before cs2? I can't speak for 1.6 as i wasn't good enough at the time to really pay attention to gameplay, but since source crouch/uncrouch spraying has always been a thing and so on csgo also.. there's absolutely nothing new to this 🙄
@@pienixcs people just mad there is someone better than s1mple or Niko, this was bound to happen. I used his ancient pop flash and it stopped entire t rush
Not gonna lie... in some moments looks like he is actually using wh! :D But now he is not playing well... at least latest matches were pretty bad! Who knows... I hope he is not cheating... im tired of cheaters!
