Is Dota 2 Harder Than League of Legends? 

People in herald(lowest rank divison in Dota) do it all the time.

You cannot play dota for 10hours and think you even slightly understand the game. See you in 2000 more hours when you will still be learning new mechanics every time you play ❤

@@SeanoSylvia2k is an understatement, I’m on 5k+ and just today I went “wait you can do that?” With my friend in a game

10khours 6kmmr here and I still feel like a noob@@okokconan455

u wrote reverse safe lane and offlane 😂

This really is what Dota feels like to me LOL

you finally understand the greatness of dota@@DimpleGames

Well yes but also no, yeah remember pa , gyro, blade mail, or every Godam patch when it's too overpowered making the game unfun, especially when it became so obvious by making it I win button.

@@vo1ce147lmao get good

i think this is why i enjoy dota over league, ive played both, but dota has that feeling of raw power that just gives it the edge for me. everything is so powerful you actually feel like you are the main character, even if you are a support!

We are a greedy bunch lol.

hahahaha couldnt agree more

Well why not it became a very situational item anyway.

It just sounded waaaaayy too broken to NOT try! Haha!

i love that you have common sense, buying bkb and stuff. some players mostly carry dont buy bkb bcs no damage even in legend ancient bracket

Jungle is a choice. There can be a jungle position but not all the time

@@kostismetallo8697 I haven't seen a dedicated jungler since like 2016 in dota lmao it really isn't worth I don't think unless your offlane can solo stomp somehow.

@@DingusShmingus sometimes I play jungle but totally for fun

Mostly cores uses jungle in dota when it is early to mid game to catch up gold but also offlaner

​@@DingusShmingusReally? No one played Ursa on your game?

Ye, dota has more option. The heroes are more fluid and support can easily solo carries. Getting gold is more accessible in dota than league which means you can be your own self one man team. I hate midas builders though xD

I'd say that's the defining design philosophy of dota. Overwhelm players with choices

​@@goolgepl2112and drown in them too

Honestly wish I could erase everything I know about dota from my mind and learn it all over again

@@sagittarius5466yeah, i remember the joy of trying to learn every spell in the game, used to print all spells and read it on my school spare time

what I want from Dota 2. Is All heroes are already free. and you can easily abandon match if someone disconnected. it should have adapted by FCKING RIOR IN LEAGUE.

if u dont play league then learning league is a fun experience @@sagittarius5466

na this dagger things i way too op WTFFFFFFFFF

AHHAHHAHA

Bara has been broken since it came into existence

"Stand proud, Dimple, you are strong"

@@virgilioaponte9756 Khanda+Scepter is winning so many games until 2500mmr... Me myself have climbed around 450 mmr on breaker with those items

bro and clinkz??? lolll

Well there is one answer to your question of "why dota community hate league's community?" And that answer is the Pendragon drama back in the old dota all stars day. I highly recommended that you look up the matter.

@@vmondschein1739 That is an extremely biased video based on a lot of assumptions. I'm not gonna say he's not awful but it really isn't unbiased like it said it was.

"orb effect that blocked advantages of other items" what orb did you mention here? is jt skadi that doesn't stack with deso back in the days before patch 7.00?

@@fidoopratama9714 Satanic+Mjollnir. You will lifesteal on every hit, except for the one, which procs Mjollnir.

​@@fidoopratama9714 yes

seriously... most people from league just come into dota and feed 0/40 x 100 then quit.

Facts learning Dota and you reach this epiphany stage where your like how is Dota so slept in once you get to the point where you understand the game enough to understand how much more balanced and deep it is it really makes League feel immature as far as game balance wise.

Yup what i found fun in dota is learning the game itself and try it in the actual game... until u find mortred with full item and ruin ur whole strategy 😂

@@ailfridha1135 yes, unfortunately there is almost no counterplay for evasion builds. Of course evasion is one of 100 mechanics that doesnt even exist in LoL

​​@@flymykim Try The Item Called 'Monkey king bar' Counter Item for Evation Heroes . Provides 80% to pierce Evation. And The Item 'Blood Throne' You Have to Cast the item into the enemy to silence the hero and every hit causes True strike

one of my highlight loading screen is first match in 2012 :))...

This also helped with the new tutorial system and New Player Gamemode in Dota. So good for newbies

how can u not complain about new player experience if your 1st game against players is basically against people with 3000 hours, thats not even a game :|

I tried dota 2 once, but realized personally that the hardest part wasn't controls, or micro and macro. no, the hardest part was not knowing jack sht about any of dota 2's characters while I know everything every champion ability does in league because I've been playing it since j4 release during season 1. so my first game I'm like "why the fk am I dying under tower while my lane opponent is nearly under their tower" realized it wasn't worth memorizing every dota 2 champs abilities and just uninstalled. learning a game with (at the time) just as many characters as league wasn't worth the time.

ANY new player experience is better than LoL one KEKW

I feel that way about League. I first downloaded it nearly 12 years ago - I was so young then everything was still so fresh and exciting

That was the fun part testing new items on the hero playing with your friends 5 v 5 trash talking to each other 😂 miss that good ol' days.

That's how I feel about league, most of the magic is gone and now I spend all my time playing adc and complaining about being oneshotted lmfao.

The problem is these games are honestly meant to be played with friends, in five v fives, that's when they are at their best. This game is meant to form small groups and clicks, where you all team up, talk shit to eachother, praise eachother, you all gossip who is the best, who is the worse, and basically make your own inner local circle of competitions. The problem is finding the ideal league of legends group for you, is legit harder then finding a gf, I know this cause ive had multiple gfs while playing league, but never once the idea league friend group : ^)

My enjoyment in this game having a really hard game like an hour and half just in once game

try mastering the game using sniper then if you mastered the game, play invoker for the first time

what? DOTA skills are not simple the fuck you talking about? Not to mention, every hero skills counter each other not including items that have skills and would literally CC or completely disabled your hero. LoL skills are much easier to understand because the damage scales with the items, if your Champion skill based damage then buy Physical Damage items and if your Champ is Magic buy AP items. Don't think you know what you're talking about here. Now imagine Nasus with 800 stacks who have DOTA BKB CC immunity item, hell destroy the entire enemy team. 😂

That's totally fair! I'm definitely going to keep playing both but League will always have a soft spot for me. Too many memories from my childhood!

i have personal bias towards dota cause i played it since i was 7 and i want to try league at some point but idk it look kinda boring

i CAME here just to comment this. 15 years of dota 10k and this video slaps

Me i was different i was playing 5 Mobas at the same time in relativly high elo xD i saw the moba genre as a FPS genre, where ur skills carry over and makes it easier to play that game.

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As someone with more than 10+ years of Dota experience, who played lol for 2-3 years because of friends... I have the same feeling :) What makes it even funnier in my opinion is, that Dota has had these graphics since Reborn, which was a big update somewhere around 2015 IIRC :D Tbh I cannot imagine how the hell Lol cosmetics makes money :D Imho the whole visual part of Dota is just much richer, and beautifully animated, and some cosmetics have custom visual effects on ultimates that make it even more satisfying to use them :) I know, I know, cosmetics are non-essentials, and things like that.... But yeah, I was never really into the cosmetics in Lol, while I have most of the better ones in Dota. The whole steam market integration makes most of the items really cheap - except some really-really overpriced ones ofc. But the fact that you can buy whole sets for 0.03€ and sometimes even Immortal items (which have custom animations, effects, etc...) for like 0.10€... Heck, even the Arcanas, the most overpriced cosmetics in the game (and well.. most of them look really cool, with custom hero models, animations, sound effects, etc... that u can combine with Immortal items sometimes too) which is originally like 30€ is on the market for somewhere around 20€... Sometimes you just make friends, that has a bunch of cosmetics they cannot sell (some cosmetics are not marketable), but at the same time, they already have something that they like more so they are willing to gift it to you just to get rid of it from their inventory :D Like me, I have a bunch of unopened/unused sets/items that are not marketable and I don't need them, so I am regularly gifting items to my friends. Ofc, I could talk about gameplay mechanics and other things for hours, but you mainly mentioned that you like the aesthetics, so.. I think you should give it a go. Although it can be a bit overwhelming as a new player, I recommend getting some experience in new player mode (which has a limited hero pool). If you have the feeling that it is a bit slow, then Turbo is a fun gamemode too (it has multipliers on XP and money so it usually takes half the time as a normal game), but be aware, meta heroes (which looks "OP" for new players, when you don't know how to counter heroes and items etc..) usually even stronger in Turbo, so it can be a stomp if u are unlucky with your team. But who knows, everything can work in Dota, everything can be countered, and sometimes 1 ultimate can completely turnaround a whole fight, khm... Enigma's black-hole, Earth Shaker's Echo Slam (this has the most satisfying sound in the whole game in my opinion, and it feels so gooood if you land it properly).

@@th3r3v92 bro got a whole essay💀💀💀

The dota verse has some really good lore aswell for a game that dosnt focus on story

and u know what, dota have a mapskin and weather itself, try to look at it, it more pretty :D

Also, the dota2 map has been constantly changing where key points and features and pathing through trees are changed when there are map changes.

Now, remove all those Dota 2 specific items that counter him, and throw him into League. Suddenly, he will be pretty busted. That is akin to saying that Homelander is OP. Objectively, he is not. In a world of Invincible, Homelander would be a small fish. But in human world, he is damn unstoppable. Same thing here. Zeus is busted compared to League standards, and only thing keeping him in-line is the busted state of the game he is from, that allows all those things.

@@kingol4801 No idea what your point is but I think you are just reiterating my point. It's only open when people don't take measures against him

Love it when Dota players try League too. I started with WC3 original Dota, and its many variants, then switched to league season 1

I give up playing Dota because of invoker. Damn skill is so confusing. Now league also have Aphelios which is the same confusion.

In order to be a rival you sort of have to rival the other side. LoL has long since eclipsed Dota, it'd be almost cruel expecting any competition to be going on there. Picture America still being rivals to Great Britain, just because they once were doesn't mean it's appropriate to draw those same parallels into the future.

Dota dead game 😂

@@VyanTan its not really rocket science, aphelios became not to confusing in his theme and kit cause i know that invoker has to take another step to get his combos as well (which is basically just add 3 combos of abilities together) if you’re not confident with memorization you can just build quas-wex then run people down with autos lol

I just think harder is getting used interchangeably with complexity. Dota is definitely the more complex game, but that doesn't make it harder for most people as most people won't get the skill ceiling.

My first game ever in dota years ago took me about 1 month just to get the basic right and not constantly chain feed. But after those hardships I started to enjoy every aspect of it and the uniqueness of the game mechanics and trying my best to get better at it. Even after 5-6 years of playing there will always be new mind blowing/funny items interaction and usage, you’ll never be able to master dota because there’s always things that are waiting to be discovered. You’ll always learns new things in dota no matter how many years you’ve been playing and that is the reason why I love dota so much.

Dota 2 is harder wtf are you talking about This is herald level of talking, the guy and you never play at actual level of dota high skills knoiw nothing about dota2. Even pro lose to random pub in skils wise. Dota2 has too much hidden shit that you need to learn, itemization, lane control, heroes control, heroes synergy, items timing, rosh, timer just everything in one packet get good herald

@@axe4770 1 month is not enough to get even basic right. There is too many shit in dota2 that these herald dont even know about

​@@bewawolf19good take. People often talk as if being above average good at dota would make em a LoL pro. Doesn't with that way

Bro i have 900 hours on this game I DID NOT KNOW THAT

That's fucking sad dude, I guess you gotta read the descriptions more then XD@@treedude4246

@@treedude4246 bruh

​@@treedude4246the more you know 👍

​@@treedude4246skill issue

I have no idea about Dota2. I used to play Dota back in 2004 to 2010 in Warcraft 3. I still remember the first game I played it was an ARAM and at the end of game I had boots and Claws on Leshrac the malicious lol. I am not sure if you still lose gold when you die but back then bounty was a flat number + a bonus on your level and if you died you lost the gold while enemy gained your gold. The first hero I did decent on Was Ursa Warrior because you had an attack speed buff that capped your AS for a few hits and scaling bonus dmg every hit. After that Sand King was pretty nice. I have had a good time playing Dota until it got repetitive with Faceless and Troll permabashing people, full tank team grouping mid and winning games at lvl 8-10 because they all had AoE ults and most common all people picking agility hero for no reason. My favourite heroes were DK and Magnus for strength, I almost forgot about Slardar ganking with -25 Armor and reveal ultimate (would be -150 armor in League). Agility Drow Ranger for the beautiful AoE silence, Luna Moonfang for AoE push and ridiculous ulti, Revenant and Medusa with Radiance and Eye of skadi just because she as so troll (I miss Purge as the ultimate with the silly 5s cooldown). For Int I enjoyed Lina Inverse, Leshrac, Krobelus for straight up nukes and Witch doctor with maledict dmg amp support and Lich to deny creeps and super slow enemy attackspeed with Shiva Guard and Frost Armor+ Frost Nova. As Support I really enjoyed Imbaddon Lord of Avernus because of shield and heal, Borrowed time and the ability to deny yourself if timed right and Vegenful Spirit with Helm of the Dominator running ganks on people and cancelling Teleport of people using BKB with ulti. Still the most hilarious to play for me were Techies, the hero with ultimate that reset all cooldowns and you just turbo pushed lanes with activatable items and went to base to refresh mana and Terrorblade which had the ability of Metamorphosis as basic skill, clone creation (1 at a time) and as ultimate you swapped HP% with an enemy after a short delay. He was ridiculous at pushing towers and fighting off people but didnt benefit much from normal items mostly focused on stats. I still remember when pushing one day I got 3 man ganked by a fed Prophet,Pudge and another guy. They got me low and Pudge walked into melee to ult me while I ulted him. AHH FRESH ... ministun occured and HP swap was done. that was so stupid and imbalanced but I liked it. What I didn't like were heroes with Bash passives and Phantom Lancer. Couldn't stand playing as PL too cheesy.

​@@user-ce2jg4qc5z omg your comment like a time machine, when I was learning Dota. Thank you for the nostalgia

Damn I actually tried to play dota a lot of time and im getting trash talk🤣🤣🤣

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@@user-ce2jg4qc5z 2.53B I wonder if anyone forgot

Yes thank you for this! I got the sides mixed up in the edit, totally my bad!

@@DimpleGames yea I kept watching and you referred to them correctly later on a few times. Great video! Glad you enjoyed the game. I went from Warcraft 3 DotA to League's closed beta until around 2016 when I came back to dota for good. Always cool seeing league players perspective. TI happens in less than a week, maybe check it out if you wanna see the pros go at it in the biggest tournament of the year.

This one is probably going to be sht... they made like 3 bucks and a gas station discount card on that Compendium xDDDD@@TITried

And the neutral camps r designed for the safe lane to pulling and farming safely

well lol is pay to win whereas dota is based on skill so

Honestly locking characters behind a paywall or time gate in competitive PVP games is absolutely absurd.

10 years ago they used gem system. It is hard to get the best gems for ur champ when u start the game but ez if you have rp to dump into those 😂

icefrog is the god of balance (although hes been sloppy as of recently)

@@TheTriangle444 IMO since icefrog has been back, (since 7.33 when the map changed) the game hasnt been this balanced for a while before.. i dont recall any truly broken stuff compared to before 7.33. (now that i think maybe medusa after the change was the only truly broken)

the accuracy of this comment to League and this is true to the ADC champs of the game coming from ADC main and from an old Dota player before playing LOL

@wikijippo4719 pretty much. thats riots MO in general. take something that is complex and refine it to remove a lot of the over complications. valorants another great example. u have characters like omen that can at will smoke exactly wherever they want on the map. in cs go u gotta get the perfect trajectory aiming at the top of a 2 story balcony so u can smoke off A site lmfao

​​@wikijippo4719just saying fighting people to deny creep is one of the option too in dota. Also in the video is not saying the harder mechanics is better. He just said dota is harder. After all just enjoy the game most of the fans will say their game is better.

@wikijippo4719 Last hitting creep, or even pulling jungle creep out of their camp is kind of early game mechanic. You can play DOTA not knowing them, but it will put you in a little disadvantage. Kind of like wave management in League. Most people don't even aware of that strategy except few high elo players. And no, more mechanics are better for players who want more to learn. League is made for casual players, but these casual players sooner or later will become more experienced. They will try other MOBA than League like DOTA 2.

@wikijippo4719 Also League is indeed dumbed down version of the original DOTA. League in its early day was wild and full of options. Some people miss old League because it has this "everyone is OP" balance but in a flawed way, more flawed than DOTA 2 but still fun. Over time, Riot polishes League and knows what direction they want to take for the game. They focus more on micro than macro, more flashy ability combo than versatile item choice. When I said, "dumbed down", I don't mean it in bad way. The original vision of Riot for League was that League is a more streamlined MOBA than DOTA and easy to approach. Since the game debut, that philosophy is still in their core gameplay loop despite the overcomplicated champion design.

@@cloudynguyen6527 S2/S3 league was the best. I had to take a break from Dota since my PC couldn't run DOTA2 on release so I played League for 2 years back in those days. And I enjoyed myself a lot. My Orianna was a fucking menace. Haha.

couldnt say it better. I just love experiencing it again from a new player perspective. I have over 8k hours of gameplay and sometimes I actually learned something new from new player. cheers mate 🍻

Do not let this man get into Tinker or Meepo or Invoker. It takes a month to learn a single of these heroes. Secondly all 3 of them are cancer (not so much for invoker).

@@thechinamigos6802 c'mon, it's fun watching people torture themselves

Or for his fun, he can try out Pudge. Getting hooks in are super fun.

@@thechinamigos6802 I can play all three. Invoker is my main, used to play tinker pre-rework era (I'm talking March of Machines days). I'm still learning Meepo, not super good at micro. I'm not tryna be anti-fun, I just love learning tough heroes.

@@hojackborseman7638 if you played MoM Tinker, there's every chance I called you bad names in ranked. 3.8k mmr for reference :)

Thanks man, I appreciate it! Even though I'm a League fan at heart, I have to be honest about my findings and just overall how I felt playing the game! And yeah I am going to keep playing, especially if you all want to see more content on the game!

@@DimpleGames try to climb in ranked starting from nothing, like Grubby. Could be great content

@@DimpleGames just wait until you discover Dota microtransactions, arguably better than league!

​@@DimpleGamesyou didn't even scratch a surface. Most heroes can be played as support or core and as hard carry you usually just ignore most fights and just farm or come with ulti and continue to farm until you have around 3 big items

Well that's the problem. I'm a Dota player for 16 years and I played LOL for a year during that time. Every time I tell a lol player that Dota is more complex, thus more difficult, they get offended. Even if I give them reasons why, and they didn't even try it (probably because it's too hard? 😅)

new champs aren’t balanced properly but they fix it

All chatacters in dota are different, in league everyone is built the same. Skillashot / %damage ability or autoattack / flash or dash and a strong ultimate. And no, they dont get fixed because each time they nerf something the make something else broken.

@@hentaimage95 Items are always a shitshow too.

You cannot say that League champions are broken and going back to Dota in the same sentence. As a League player of 10+ years going into Dota at the behest of my friend, my friend impression is that EVERYTHING in Dota is busted. Lol

@@Keijii1 You 100% can say that and it's correct. League champions are broken because they're unbalanced and therefore there's a rift in the power of the champions. Dota has a much higher base power level but thinks are actually balanced so they're not broken. EVERYTHING is "busted", yes, if by busted you mean very powerful. Very few things are broken (meaning actually OP in comparison to the rest of the game).

Yeah that's what each champion's combos and little quirks like animation cancelling buffering and unique map interactions + item interactions come into play which is why there are even instances where if you over step and get caught you die in between 0.3 - 1 second. Which makes it difficult in a sense that you have to be extra aware of what you do and where other team is. Same concept applies to taking down structures if you let a split pusher in League of Legends like Yorick to do as he pleases and decide to go for Dragon or Baron (Two buff creatures) then it's possible for Yorick to take 2 - 3 structures and if one of the lane is open (Meaning No inhibitor) It can result in a loss.

Yea this is the answer. Both games are difficult in their own way.

@@FluxFresh96 lmao the cope

@@jackof4ll lmao the cope

​@@jackof4llwell this all also applies to dota 2, but league is really harder in one thing, if you lose the lane as adc in dota, you can freely go farm in the jungle and come back, because there is plenty of space for 3 champs to be farming the jungle at the same time, but in league you cant really do anything if you are getting stomped on lane as adc. You have to wait there and try to eat every minion the enemy gives you and that i find to be pretty annoying. Other then that league is pretty fun and i like both games.

also you should try press f9 every time you get a kill, it gives you advantage but you can only do it twice a game with 5 mins cooldown tho.

​@@exab1264yeah .. advantage

He reminds me of when Grubby started his Dota2 journey

Im on and off on both games and gotta say... While i love dota more and have more fun there league is just easier to get one or two games and be done, less mentally taxing and more relaxing (also more of my friends play it) so i end up playing more league

then man u gotta jump in and play few games now cuz it has changed even more !!! the maps bigger lots more stuff and roshan has 2 homes now LOL

What led to you switching? I started with WC3 DotA and tried league for a few months in 2012 while I was waiting for my Dota 2 invite. So I understand the differences pretty well, just wondering what made you switch.

The main reason was all of my friends played League, tried to get some of them to play Dota but they thought it was too hard etc. So I switched over. I still love Dota and have fond memories of it. So much have changed though! But I will definitely go back now and try and see for myself how much fun the "new" dota is! @@LguanadonTRex

I will definitely do that! Will try to get into some games this weekend!@@epicsucker3388

I also moved to league simply because it’s snappier and have more fun playing lol

I played dota for 4 years, then moved to league, then(after permaban) moved to dota 2 and they are all easy. The guy in the video sits 10 years straight in the starter mmr for newbies after their first 10 games(silver4). He has no knowledge of either league or dota to make any comparisons at all. The video makes no sense😔

@@just_because338 its from a pov of a casual player, which is like 80% of playerbase anyway

Honestly I like league more because of skill shots, while in dota there is quite a lot of skill shots, but most of them are so big, it's a shame calling it a skillshot, there is more skill expression in league skillshots imo. You need to also know timings of summoners and there is no 15s cd 5km blinks, which I still think is bs, even tho before reborn I played 2k hours in Dota. It's also a lot less cluttered than Dota. Even though league lacks some other skill expression stuff like denying creeps, but playing top and being permaganked by enemy jungler is enough stress xd. I'll say it is just a taste diff, both games are good but reborn killed dota for me.

League has a lower skill floor, but a higher skill ceiling due to how much quicker it is.

no no we league players hate the game 😂

The trick is u don't have to learn anything...it's support fault anyway if u lose Or mid diff

Dota just requires more time to learn all those mechanics. In general dota is complicated but still easier to play. Even the most braindead champs in lol is at least something on Lina level, while in dota we have such an amazing hero named legion commander.

@@trash4484 u prob never played league then 😂 the only difficulty in league is to practice some combos on heroes that can even do one(irelia, Lee sin etc) and it seems complicated at 1st but mostly it's just brain memory cuz u mush like 10 keys in 2 sec(prob more than 80%, if u are allowed to) and then the game gets pretty boring as the game lacks a lot of mechanics and stuff to do compared to dota..sometimes your best move might be to tp base even tho u have full resources Lol doesn't have illusions invisibility items to block spells (manta bkb) or in general items with active abilities the end game is stupid as u might just lose to the garbage nasus 1/8 in lane but who has 2mil stacks now...lol endgame is generally flat af And for heroes that are dumb as hell u mention LC? Have u seen gragas?garen?Darius? Renekton? Fiora? Those are real braindead heroes( and many more)

@@Vlad-ez8ic I prefer to perform at least any combo than just one shot people with one button while being able to blink through whole screen. In this case dota is much more moba cuz u don't need actual skill, just pick right hero, build right item, and have ur key ability up. But lol is still much more competitive game. It's more fun to play, 1v1 is always intense, there is always some element of random. Maybe cuz u mostly need to hit ur abilities instead of just pointing and clicking?

It only took us a couple years, but at least we finally have it in Dota now

It’s gotten a lot more friendly over the years. Gold and xp gain is overall much higher especially from teamfights, which encourages constant teamplay over afk farming. This is provisioned with more item slots, newer items, increased level cap with extra talent tree (skill/stat buffs throughout the game). Made it overall more dynamic and less punishing, really pushing the teamplay favoured dynamic.

10 years playing Dota , and im loving Lol , finally i can carry 1v5 without relying on dumb teamates, also i enjoy more the fast pace and high speed fights compared to slow and long dota fights

Baby steps. Good for you! lol

​@@JanDarkyyplay fps then lmao, also dota fast af when u play 6k mmr+ matches

​@@kyoden1928let the man play what he wants bro💀

No comebacks and no late game are the main reasons why I quit league. In dota both still exist. Also valve doesn't push a meta like riot does. There are a lot of weird things possible. In league that was kinda the case in early seasons but now it's all streamlined and riot wants to have everything under control...

So cool to hear your perspective as a long time player! I feel very similarly about League to how you feel about Dota. There's just something about the game that keeps me coming back! I just love the feeling an intense ranked League game brings!

everytime i take my annual glance over into dota 2, it makes me wanna cry that LoL is so....barren of cool modes

Liked turbo too till I realized I am spending too much time waiting to respawn in turbo, so for me standard just makes game more fun.

Turbo is fun but not really balanced. For example heroes that pushes lanes a lot are way stronger as buildings are so weak in turbo. But as it gives more gold and so items are bought faster, I like this mode to try new builds.

Turbo is not dota.

supports can kill 2, i say as someone who has gone on a team whipe with io

Yeah I agree with this take. Most people when playing a game for first time don't wanna get completely rinsed by smurfs so it's hard. I'm just used to it coming from league and I was prepared to do research because that also kind of comes along with MOBAs. And thanks for the support

And there are a lot of mechanics which you have to learn about: different types of dispel, illusions (which skills and items work with them), neutral creeps stacking/pulling, regeneration of HP (items/skills may manipulate it), misses and true strikes, invisibility and how to counter it, ghost (aka ethereal) form, etc. It is overwhelming and sometimes guides tell you how a certain mechanic works, but you still have to try it yourself to completely understand it.

Really awesome take and thank you for the kind words! I completely agree about the team-fights. In League you can blink and it's over whereas in Dota sometimes it felt like I was fighting for like 30 seconds straight which was strange coming from league but cool to experience!

lmao tell me how heroes live long in dota when pa 1 shots u from invis lmao and does it again lmao

​@@retardo9633buy aeon disk? Get ghost scepter? Stack armors? Get evasion? There's multiple way to counter act it. It's the beauty of the game. Even if something seems op, there's always an item that can counter act it. Unlike in lol where you just die instantly to a fed Katarina because she pressed E on you

@@interneth7644 retardo has a point but PA is got nerfed so she isnt as much as an issue. The problem with PA was her skill refresh with aghs but moreso the absurd blur break range making it extreamly difficult to find her in the map which is much larger now. Plus she can just buy nuli

@@DimpleGames It really depends on the comps of the team in dota. You can have a teamcomp that has to get pick offs via initation blowing up the enemies strongest core instantly other comps can kite the enemy team for 30sec to a min or so. There's just a ton of versatility when you incorporate items as well. Theres usually an answer for everything

Pangolier also has no turning speed. No surprise he's been broken as hell for years now.

The turning speed its the game mechanics from wc3, and dota was a mod on it so i guess they kept that as a skill and game mechanic when they moved it over to steam and made dota2

Different heore has different turning speed, its a way to keep some hero balanced.there are items that increase turning speed actually

@@Aznataku02 turn speeds are why melee hard carry heroes are viable. Also heroes like drow, viper and battider work

@@danielhing In league, the melee carries are arguably stronger than the ranged ones lol.

Dota2 crushes league for support gameplay. Maybe not in the distant past when they were just ward plebs to be killed. But nowadays they have an insane amount of impact from start to finish. Can often complete several game changing and game winning items and can actually begin to scale via shard and talents into something freaky. Youll still get 1 shot by PA. But the support gameplay is just night and day. Watching a good position 4 Earth spirit essentially control the entire flow of the game is insane. And even a pos 6 no farm disruptor can decide the entire game with the right team fight. Runes, stacks, pulls, ganks, rotations, etc. It feels like there is always something you can do and be active in doing as a support while in League you truly just feel like a baby sitter. All you need is a TP and a dream.

@@Mrducky78 man i always played adc or hc in league and ALWAYS hated every sup for just existing they all made my lane so much worse by simply being stupid killing themselves not helping me right not warding not playing the support role AS A SUPPORT helping his team, when i came to dota a few weeks ago i simply fell in love with the supports, when i played league i just wanted the sup role to be deleted cause it was ruining so many adcs lanes and not doing their job at all. now in dota the supports are the most impacting role in the role game i still play as a hc but now i love the aly that is on my side literaly trusting the game on his hand cause while i try only to farm as its the most important thing to the hc do, his controling the wave our wards the enemy ward and both enemy hc and sup5 at the same time while also looking at the map trying to see if we're getting ganked or if he can gank another lane to help even more his team. fuck league sup, praise dota one's

What a tryhard! Send ID haha

As a carry player too every single option is a super squishy ranged glass cannon, and every item you can buy is just damage. No clever itemisation, no faceless void or Sven or phantom lancer type heroes just 20 different drow rangers and you aren't allowed to buy bkb/shadowblade/satanic/blink or anything to really change how you function

Thats a great idea mate! Wud watch 100% !!

Short answer : yes Long answer : yes it is harder because it's macro in harder which is harder to master in general than micro but league still has the higher micro cap

@@quadq3285 it absolutely does not lmao, he literally touched on the micro being way harder as well. Just cause you play alot of league doesn't mean it need to have some redeeming "hard" quality.

@@Customgamer9 am a dota player lmao, macro in dota is way higher than micro

@@quadq3285 tell me any hero in league harder than meepo, beast Master, brewmaster, shit tell me any hero that's harder than a carry with a fucking manta style lmao

@@Customgamer9 meepo is macro intensive not micro, have you even played dota??

Arc Warden is one of the Scariest Late game hero 💀 He can control all lanes, doing split push of his own. Killing someone of his own. Versatile build items 💀

@@corporaldoge815 sadly he got big nerfed in this patch.. no more 50% cd reduction..

​@@natnut4491was about time that piece of sht got his nerf

Also he gives the same gold when dropped than a real hero

Fuck shaco tho

If you have less money in your wallet, life becomes more difficult; if you have less mechanics in the game, the game becomes more difficult... I understand your logic, the question is: why are you complicating your life? Why not play game with more mechanics?

Hahaha ... no.

HOTS, the most fun MOBA of all time.. underrated af

awe thanks man

league tries their best to be balanced dota is just out of whack in that regard 😂 anyway, invoker main here and yes, hes hard

I'd do anything to see him playing against old Techies. Yeah, you have 10+ years of MOBA experience, but what about a bit of a Minesweeper?

@@user-it4iu7rg8q I haven't played in years. What did the do to my boys?

@@Kool212 turned them into an actual hero

@@aquacancergames How is not balanced? In league, you literally can't pick anything else than S-tier "champs" if you want to win. I am high-rated in both games doh, might be different if you're lower-rated but still, I feel like Dota 2 is way more balanced.

He cant get all the little details in 5 days buddy , he did good and I think he can master the game in 6 months

@@popcorn2826 I wasn't being critical. I was just mentioning it since he seems interested in it and I thought he'd be happy to discover that there's even more levels of complexity to look into.

Did you really play dota 1 when u felt it got complicated in dota 2 because of the actives? The added actives in dota 2 are negligible because just dota as a whole has so many item actives

This. “Harder” is a stupid way to put it. The games focus on different things.

What would be broken from LoL?

@@kauan5527 i feel like recalling could be considered as such in dota. 8s channel to go to base and full heal.

​@@kauan5527Low CDs on skills and some of the heroes/champs don't even have mana.

@@thestoebz not really

The slacks/sunsfan one was, not the actual tutorial as far i know

I dont love how hes playing bot matches and playing it off like they are real games though

@@tobias3715 Are you stupid? He has the character names displayed on the models, this helps you learn who each hero is, also helps with visibility, the real player names are displayed on hover AND the right side of the screen whenever they get kills or destroy buildings.

​@@tobias3715but they are real matches. Sure it won't put you on a mmr slider but it is dota and bot games are a part of everyone's journey, or at least should be.

@@tobias3715 He WAS playing real matches you blind fool

​@@evenjesuscantsaveyouanymor6163new comers can't beat hard or insane difficulty bots, they know how to gank and predict skill shots. So yes learning with bots is a great way to introduce yourself to dota 2.

Eyyyy it just felt like the right thing to do

​​@@DimpleGamesBy the way, the stun spell where you charge with this hero makes more damage the higher your movement speed is. So you can use your second spell and your Phase Boots active ability to boost your speed just before hitting the target (you can use spells and items during Charge) and do even more damage.

@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 And when you activate the W and phase boot you need to act like you're pressing the NOS

weird why you have (HoN) in brackets despite HoN being a rip off of dota :/

@@Onimarr what? It's simply clearifying. They were not 1-1 copies. Weird comment.

HoN was such a toxic gem, so fun, but people were brutal in that game haha

Want to talk about Chen + Mind control full of creeps + Old Necronomicon ? 😂

Come back to the darkness

Don’t know if it’s still in the game but I remember when refresher orb was patched in. Shit was insane. Zeus double ult. Lina nuke with dagon. Tide’s ult was also stupid.

how are those things normal to you, how do you counter an instant 20% hp dmg for your entire team, especially in a teamfight? And also, with things like a 15 second flash, things can be so random that not even a good player would know what’s going on, it’s basically league with everything much more broken, so the amount of chaos is crazy

​​​@@nimrodszocs2795 I mean, you clearly dont know the game. First, skills doesnt scale up with levels, but with items (and they are the most expensive in the game), so is hard to get a lot of damage with magic attacks like Zeus ultimate Second, you can increment your magic resistence (with stats or items) Third, you can avoid characters from using abilities like Zeus ultimate Four, Black king Bar negates all the forms of magical damage a CC Five, Like Zeus got his op(it isnt) skill, others have other skills than can and will counter, and if not, counter it with items Six, In case that it really is destroying your team, you can plan ganks (with smoke that makes you invisible even for wards) or even every other strategy to wipe him out early in the team fight Seven, I dont know why you say that like a surprise, I have played my fair share of LoL and there is champions that kill heroes in 2 seconds, literally Eight, The game is so complex that you literally have dozens of ways to dealing with a situation like this, from items that heal the entire team, runes, Roshan, keep him busy, stuns, silences, focus damage, separate him from his team with force, etc Nine, Edit: I forgot about the blink dagger, yeah so? If you recibe any kind of damage from a enemy hero you cant use the dagger, not like the flash of LoL, and team fights in LoL look bore because is literally everyone throwing him nukes as fast as possible and a lot of people dying instantly, and is harder to follow a flashy fight with 15 powers who wipe people out than a normal 20 sec team fight from dota, where you can think and no play: I see someone, I throw all my skills to him I can go on, but I am already bored for typing

​@@nimrodszocs2795 if you knew where MOBA games come from, you would find it perfectly normal