Can a Total Noob Learn Dota’s Hardest Heroes? 

Thanks man! It felt good to figure him out!

Invoker is not hard at all, just demand some practice. Meepo, in other hand, is Very hard, microing heroes is super difficult.

​@@arthurprado7527he didn't had any practice, that's why it's pretty impressive

​​@@arthurprado7527this is all subjective though. Someone who has a bad memory but high motor control and say played lots of rts games growing up, is going to find meepo way easier than invoker. What hero's are easier or harder massively depends on who it is doing the playing. But yes for a league player meepo is most likely the hardest coz micro isn't really a thing in lol

He literally highlighted his practice@@jirasa4398

and by covering the whole map and not get caught.

That is why I hate it. It is just a non stop hotkey loop on crack at full speed for 20min straight after some time.

Yeah. When u has everything make it more confusing.

And don't forget the classic sheepstick dagon EB build.

@@joaot8253DUDE! THATS WHY I EXCLUDE TINKER ON MY DAILY RANK GRIND, LIKE BRUUHH THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME YOUR FINGERS AND BRAIN NEED TO BE ACTIVE YOU JUST REST TO FOUNTAIN,

This is super interesting and makes a lot of sense! Trying to play a character like Meepo with a little mini-game was very overwhelming coming from league whereas with a bit of research, Invoker didn't seem nearly as hard. And I'd love that! I responded to your comment about it on my last video! Shoot me an email and I'd love to collab! (itsadamgale@gmail.com)

Oh hey its Tzar Potato thanks for all you do for the new players man its cool to see that there's someone out there who makes an effort for them

Wow Tzar Potato Here Good to see u here man ❤❤

This this a million times this

I don't know if this is connected but I played Dota 2 for at least 7 years then tried Wild Rift and got hooked with it. I main Yasuo and reached Master Rank. Then I go back to Dota and never missed Invoker's tornado. It feels like Dota's skillshots have a wider hitboxes

Dude I know. I can't believe I didn't take rearm in my first game

Lvl10 no rearm Gigachad tinker

used to play like that like 10 years ago, poke supp tinker rofl

Thanks so much for watching!

Lee Sin on crack sounds like a fun title for a video haha!

​@@DimpleGamesin terms of micro heroes there r some that r pretty good for beginners to pick up like brew master and visage... Their kit seems pretty complicated first with the wall of text ull probably read in the wiki but they r deceptively easy to play if u have some knowledge about what they do with some simple micro gameplay Also don't forget that demo mode exists for each hero... It's a very convenient way to learn the heroes' kit

Lee sin was my favourite hero on league, so it was logical to play him I do enjoy playing Earth spirit but I can't manage to get my winrate over 50%

puck is close to lissandra tho so i think she'll be easier. also i think a shaco player would adjust faster on micros

12 to be exact..and the summons has skill.. he has a forcestaff like skill before ,..

​@Ponyeta his first iteration had 27. Each for diffrent combination of orbs and their order.

LOL I guess that shows just how much I know about the game haha!

​@@DimpleGamesTornado griefs happen even in TIs, so don't feel so bad. It's hard to judge in the chaos of battle whether you're disabling the enemy and setting up the battle, or if you're giving the enemy a few seconds of immunity and extra time to react 😀

Try pudge first.

Welcome brother 😊

@@baitingmaster5622 I have tried Pudge and he is fun, but I play mid and think he’s very mediocre mid lane. Been playing Zeus, Invoker, and Primal Beast mainly

Try Earth Spirit. I love him. Gameplay-wise he's something of an Azir or Syndra because he summons statues and manipulates them.

​@@rjw19 spam tinker so 1) you manage ruining your hands from the clicking and 2) it's automatic hate gain 😂

And also manacost talent is basically most OP talent you will ever see

Dont forget techies too

Io is easy hero.

I wouldn't put Io and Rubick on that list. Until 2015 my main heroes were Tinke (MARCH!), Pudge, and Invoker for mid and Chen as support. Those were considered to be "difficult heroes. I often played Ruckick especially because of Rubick Wars in the Workshop sinking dozens of hours into this hero. I'd say a 6 slotted Tinker is way worse than Rubick. Where Tinker is about micro and trying to stay focoussed, with Rubick it's a waiting game, trying to blink in just at the exact second. Catching a nice ult or two

I think I was the mega troll griefer Meepo LMAO And thank you for the ideas! I'd love to try those things out! :)

As a league player myself, I would very much like to see some of the roles in dota compared like this!

​@@DimpleGamesthe video was interesting and fun to watch 🤣🤣 I like to play dota but dont have that good laptop to run it But knowing that meepo is harder than invoker thats new to me and tinker was pretty interesting didnt know that

4. 1 meepo just standing on well when you have 3 or more meepos to heal or escape swap without using tp

Hi, How do I set 2 units in 1 key? Can you help?

Tinker doesn't need boots bro due to the new patch where he has its own teleporter skill he can teleport from towers to heroes as the skill levels.

Exactly my man over here said it all, the dumb op hero was made even dumber by tossing travel boots in his kit WITH A SHIELD THAT HAS STATIS RESIST so you cant even initiate properly on the fucker

And tbh Io, Rubick and Chen are hard but require coordination, game knowledge, map awareness more than micro fingers. Io is an instant loss with randos most of the time. Rubick has a fun game every 4 matches, most are just meh normie boring skills and Chen needs a whole lot of knowledge and game sense. My boy here needed to read invoker skills and tossing 15+ neutrals with specific spawns, habilities/mechanics and levels will be a nightmare of a Wiki filled snoozefest

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fQIitbhUghI.htmlsi=tAWijTq-Q1Z7mKIc This is what a nightmare tinker in high bracket

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cD_MLDGkrBY.htmlsi=4Z53DB99ROzZlzw7 And this is what tinker in late game with 5 active item looks like

Interesting! I've never heard of this before so I'll have to look into it, thanks!

​@@DimpleGamesyeah after learning how to shift queueing properly, tinker user need to master the backswing cancelling. That's the key on how tinker so fast in casting the ability. After all tinker is all about positioning and how fast and coordinated ur hand on the keyboard. just type "tinker backswing cancelling" to learn it.

Micro insanity like meepo sadly can never make into league. It's an engine problem. League are built from the ground up to be a game where you focus entirely on your champ, unlike dota that start out as a mod in a rts game. Therefore, League don't really have real micro management to accommodate heroes like Chen, Brood, Meepo, etc. And no way in hell I'm trusting hero like Invoker to the balance team with 200 years of experience

@@lamvutran9345 Well, the engine can still accommodate such mechanic in a really junky way, but League have a different focus. You can learn the hardest champions in lol in a day, their real difficulty is from its proper usage. A great example is syndra, pretty easy to learn, but extremely hard in its environment. Your only really offensive spell is e, and most of your combos built on it, but if you miss it you are as good as dead, any competent player will just finish you off. Champions in LoL are hard, because they are unforgiving or they need a really specific playstyle, not because they are complicated.

​@@gaborcsuzi4504 it literally can't though. Those junky ways you mention, ie using an ability or movement, are all methods to control other units INDIRECTLY. That why I said there are no true micro in League, and I use the dota term meaning control and switching between multiple available units. Meanwhile, you can control each and every unit in dota as if it / they are your main hero, aka the defining trait of an RTS. The most clear example of this is brood mother vs yorrick. A pro brood can span 10-20+ spiderlings individually across the entire map for vision (see Brood mother highlight during TI 11 for references.) You can't do that with yorrick. His zombies need a skillshot to guide it to attack something you want or they'll just wail at units until despawn or lost target. Dota also has heroes like that. Skeletons of Wrath King for instance. But league can't and never will have champ like Chen, Brew Master, Meepo. As for the other point, you ignore the Sven, Sniper, Wrath King, eh? Do you really things all dota heroes are like Brew Master and Invoker? Heck, even heroes that are widely considered only slightly below the like Invoker or Meepo in term of difficulty to master also have pretty basic abilities. Ember, Puck, Timber all have skillset that aren't that hard to grasp compare to Akali, Aatrox, Fizz, Elise, etc. What make league so much more accessible compare to dota is actually everything else around the player character. League has smaller and symmetrical map, no high ground, no creep stack, pull, block, deny, no day-night cycle, no buy back, items are mostly stat sticks, no micro, no fortification, no scan, no smoke, League inhibitor respawn while dota don't. The list go on. Tl,dr: League is more accessible and way more popular, but not due to champ design.

@@lamvutran9345 "Those junky ways you mention, ie using an ability or movement, are all methods to control other units INDIRECTLY. " Yes, but you can still control more characters, even if you have to control them indirectly. You can change the HUD easily as we seen with Kayn for example, programming something to follow a different hero is easy, and making one of his abilities change between characters and bind the button spam to the right click instead is just as easy. The opportunity is there even if its junky. I'm not saying those mechanic doesn't exist in DOTA, but that in LoL its not the difficulty of the champion that matters. Showing easy champions as hard was a mistake, it might not serve my point properly. There are many really complex, extremely complicated characters in LoL easy to play. The difficulty of a champion matters way less in LoL, because the difficulty is set by the environment only. A great example might be Ekko: In theory extremely complicated, the proper usage of his skills are really hard to understand/master. In theory he should be a hard champ, but its really easy to play with him: Farm creeps till level 8, then push the minions and roam. If you make a bad call, just use r and you are out of it. Its hard to play, but its extremely easy to understand your role, playstyle, and things you should do, you can even be stupid and greedy, simply because you have an r that instantly takes you out of it. You still use all of his abilities, it just not the champion that is difficult, not at all, but the role the champion plays and the way the champ does it. There is micro in LoL, its just above plat. In LoL they still learn the same amount that a Dota player does, but because it has less mechanics there is a way bigger tone on each of them. Macro in high elo LoL matters way more than in high elo Dota, the same way as every aspect of the game. You can't learn the same level of skills with the same amount of work if you have 3-4 times the material to learn. One doesn't just gets 10 times better at learning because he is a Dota player. In LoL the difference between a Diamond 4 player and a Master is just as big as between bronze1 and plat4, which means 80+% of the players. The difference just gets more and more sophisticated, the skill isn't capped out, even top players still learning the game, despite the game being easier. In the end your tldr is exact thing i wanted to say.

@@gaborcsuzi4504 It's clear to me you haven't seen the insanity of dota. Your entire argument can be summarize into: league can do what dota can (which in this case, micro management style gameplay) but just didn't because it's not their focus. Bullshit. Check this video for instant. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fBvYcWrq1D8.htmlsi=IDs55lscd-ppUPJL Around the 21-22 min ingame time the Brood Mother individually span 20 ish spiderlings across the map. Individually, controlling, 20 units, directly. Something like that cannot ever exist in League, so Meepo can't, either. Do you really think a game which wouldn't allow selecting just one other unit under your control via a tab or left click would even be able to do that shit? No. The only reason dota is like that is because its root is a mod in warcraft 3 while League can be built from scratch. League has more leerway in its creation, and they decide to create a simplify / streamline version of dota. Meanwhile, dota 2 is more or less a port. The other argument is their "focus", in your oppinion, but in fact the skillset of dota heroes are just as simple as, if not even more so, as league. So you can know what most heroes do in 15 mins or so. It's the things outside of your player character that make dota so much less accessible compare to league.

Thank you

Thanks so much! And awesome I'll keep those ones in mind! :)

fr, the biggest part of the "dota is too complicated" crowd don't even read their skills once. let alone research guides and practice. dimple seems like he would stick to like the game a lot after he's past these 'challenge first reaction' games.

Thank you!!

Thank you!!