I Investigated Failed MOBAs... 

UPDATE ON THIS VIDEO! Paragon: The Overprime announced on Feb 21st that they are ending service on the game as of April 22nd. I guess this version of Paragon is now also dead LOL. If you still are interested in playing Paragon, there is another remake called Predecessor I recommend checking out!

The most unfortunate thing about Heroes of the Storm was that it was owned by Blizzard. The game itself was so unique and rich in potential.

Important thing to note about Battlerite; instead of trying to fix the game's issues by adding more maps or objectives or anything like that, they made an entirely separate game called Battlerite: Battle Royale. They chased the Fortnite money and completely neglected the game everyone already bought

There is also another thing about Heroes of the storm. Blizzard wasted tons of money into the esports side of it for no reason.

That DC moba failed so hard it didn't even appear in the list of failed mobas

god i love battlerite. feels like a cross between a moba and a fighting game with how focused the game is on spacing, feinting and i-frames. not to mention the characters being both really fun and really balanced. also fyi what killed it were the devs getting sidetracked by a battle royale mode that ended up being made a seperate game anyways, and then coming back to do some baffling updates that were then reverted shortly after and then once again leaving the game to make V rising.

In Hots they just made a official balance patch recently, although not a big one it still came out last tuesday. Which made me happy

“Jumping in a moba, who knew?” My brain anytime I need to jump 20 times before the start of a Smite match for my daily challenge.

Hero’s of the Storm is probably my second favorite MOBA it’s casual easier than most and has unique ideas with crazy talents that change up your play style.

Also for battlerite, straight up for anyone still playing that game which is me, I wouldn't say there is nothing to dig yourself into, its just not that interesting than how I would say Hots does, in battlerite its more about layering against and with your opponents with abilities and spacing, It is the most fun micro intensive moba out there. Throw in once you get good enough mind games become such a huge part of it with counters and fainting abilities, simply put some people in there are so disgusting at playing its just an amazement to watch

As someone who played Battlerite Religously and getting into the top elo I noticed the main issues ( this was before battlerite focusing on battlerite royale which is an entirely different issues) >The game is easy to pick up but the learning curve for heros is very high: learning what talents to take into what comps, which abilities are best to use in situations since ur strong abilities use ur uilt charge and even things like learning how to bait out abilities with ability cancels and counters can be super overwhelming and feel stompy when done to you > The rank system was a total mess, Majority of time you would see gold/plat players in games with top 100 players, I realise its due to battlerite having a lower player base in general at the time but this put off alot of people > there wasnt much of an esports push, I remember watching one streamed comp and that was it if I wanted to watch high elo battlerite I would have to seek out players to watch myself ((I miss you Joltz)) >Outside of gameplay the characters had 0 lore, they where planning on redoing it but never ended up following though which is sad, characters like ezmo, ashka, poloma, varesh,etc had intresting desgins but no purpose. and of course all of this was getting improved on and was getting more players but they choose to gamble it all into a fortnite clone

Another issue a bunch of players had with HotS was the fact people were used to LoL and DotA's mechanics which allow a more skilled player to leverage his / her skills to get incremental advantage and "carry" their teams. In HotS you rely way more on the rest of your team. One uncooperative player is enough to doom a game as HotS is heavily based on objectives, which can be really frustraring, especially when dealing with Trolls. Multiple maps also affect the playerbase, as playing in a map that you activelly dislike can sour the experience (imagine having bad luck and rolling the same map you hate 2-3 times in a row). The maps also heavily affected the heroes, as some heroes / archtypes would be a lot betteror worse depending on the map. It would also make it so a new player would need to learn how to play in different maps, with different layouts, resources and a different main gimmick, which can somewhat compensate for the game being simpler. Also, because the game's main resource is experience and it's divided by the whole team at all times and objectives had very powerful effects that resulted in massive experience gains, some games felt like a snowball in which the winning team would most of the time press on their advantage, resulting in a even bigger XP advantage...

Paragon the Overprime isn’t the only Paragon remake. There is another one that IMO is better called Predecessor which is in closed beta. You should try it, it’s extremely fun.

HOTS was my first MOBA and I really loved playing it and had so much fun. Managed to convert my brother to play it from MMO's and he became semi-pro. And then I picked up Battlerite and man it was SO fun and I climbed the ranks so fast with a character I never thought I'd be good with. RIP these 2 fantastic games

I still remember the day they announced closing paragon. 3rd saddest day of my life.

I can't explain how furious i am by the way Blizzard treated HOTS ( Heroes of the storm ). This game has the most unique character designs i have ever seen in a moba like: Murky, Deathwing, Abathur, Lost vikings and my main and most amazing moba character in my opinion Cho'Gall. Even the more basic characters offer alot of personal customisation in the use of talents. It's such a shame that those amazing and unique character designs went to waste because of Blizzards greed...

As an original Battlerite player who played it after being a League player, and who also works at a game studio here's my two cents: The game was managed poorly from the product side. I bought the game early on when it was 30 bucks (AU), which gave me all characters unlocked, plus all future characters. I had one mate who also dropped the 30 bucks on it and we had an absolute ball playing the game, finding characters that worked for us, and learning their intricacies, EX-abilities etc. My mate wasn't even a MOBA player - he hated League, but loved Battlerite. As time went on, we kept playing, ranking up in 2v2s, and I became more and more bewildered at just how dang long Stunlock was taking to make the game Free-to-Play, even though we all knew that was the plan. This was one half of the story of why it failed. They failed to capitalise on the hype of their game - moved way too slowly. I had multiple other mates who were MOBA players, and interested in trying the game, but never did because at that time the price was prohibitive for them, especially when they could play League for free. The other half of the poor management decisions which sealed its fate was as others have denoted already - they shifted their focus to this stupid trend-chasing during the battle-royale boom, by shifting almost all their dev resources to Battlerite Royale, which meant during the time they spent developing that, Battlerite got a pitifully small amount of updates, and any further development of deeper meta features (as you mentioned in your video) was non-existent. Then they released BR:R as a separate game, free-to-play. It was misguided, but also once again too slow to succeed. By the time BR:R came out, PUBG was dying, and Fortnite had killed pretty much any BR competitors. I sank a good 500hrs into PUBG in those days, and was a committed Battlerite player, but I could count the amount of Battlrite: Royale matches I played on one hand. I just wanted to play the game I had invested into, but they had killed it. It was brutal. When they turned around and retrofitted a bunch of the BR:R stuff into BR, I checked it out, but it just left such a bad taste in the mouth. Like they were admitting their mistake and trying to bribe me back by...keeping bringing up...the same mistake...because it was now bolted to their original product. When they announced V-Rising, I was actually pretty upset. I remember watching the trailer and reading about the project, and discovering that it was once again essentially going down the path of trend-chasing other games/genres that were popular. I was really hoping that they'd work on a proper successor to Battlerite, but do it right this time with the product management side. But what I saw in V-Rising was their refined Battlerite combat system, strapped onto yet another trend like some freakish Frankenstein's Monster of a product. I feel bad because Stunlock clearly has some talented developers, but their decision makers let them down.

Renzo remembers the day the Dawngate closed. A dark day for gaming, but it is no shame to weep at beauty

Hots is the best 5v5 game I've ever played. It's the only moba that I look back at it only positively and I know it's not nostalgia. It's the only game that I know if I get back into it I will just enjoy my time, while with lol for example the fun will fizzle after a few days of playing. Every character was fun, they had some very unique character mechanics in place, the game felt like a team focused one and it is the only game that I can remember having fun in both loosing and winning consistently. The enemy couldn't carry because of one smurf or a superfed character. Every game always felt winnable if the team decided to take it seriously and in many cases they would get eventually.

If you ever do another one of these you *have* to include Awesomenauts. Such a nostalgic and honestly unique moba to me, sad to see it in the state it is right now.

thanks for telling me about Paragorn. great video. much love for your content. take care :)

Heroes of the storm was the least stressful MOBA. Ohhh god how I miss Leoric

One Moba (AoS) map I used to love playing back in the WC3 customs days was HoSk, Hands of Sorrow Knight. It was a custom hero builder on the WC3 engine and had lots of interesting ideas. You picked extra passives throughout the game to as you leveled, some towers didn't die and instead became yours when you "destroyed" it, and there was a deathmatch option after you finish the game so you can have your salty 1v1 runbacks, even against your own teammates. It was on the same platform as original dota so it was never going to be as popular, but I always had more fun there.

as a person who bought battlerite back in 2016 and played it throughout this years i can say that it's one of my favorite games of all time and it's still breaks my heart that it's dead and that there's no more arena brawlers like battlerite to play. It's not a moba since there's no lanes and thrones to destroy, but an arena brawler which is inspired by arena modes in mmorpg games like wow, that's the reason why there's a lot of spells on each character and wasd movement. I disagree with dimple on this game being simple and that's being the reason of game's downfall, because he recorded this video when there's only bots and weak players in public matches and the game's ambition of becoming a new esport has died a long ago. When the game launched it was vice versa, the game was too complex and hard to start because of it's steep learning curve since you were having too much buttons to learn on every character to even understand why you're getting clapped every match. This caused for a lot of players to leave before they even found out how much adrenaline and action this 2 minute matches have, i literally forced my friend to play through the first 10 hours so he would start enjoying the game. It became his favorite game too and he lost interest in dota where he spent 1000+ hours because 50+ minutes games in dota haven't had as intense fights and moments that you can get in here. The other reason why the game fell off is because stunlock studios have a history of making a huge marketing company in the release of their game which leads to great amounts of sales at the start of the game and then they just stop updating it and move to another project. This happened with their latest game V Rising too. say i'm not reading all of that if you like fat men covered in oil

I think the big issue with HotS beyond the fact that it was late, is the fact that a lot of its mechanics aren't necessarily appealing to much of the casual crowd. Team levelling meant that someone doing poorly in a lane and not soaking would negatively affect you, the player. But more importantly Talents don't really capture the imagination that items in League do. As much as I dislike how League implements the item system, there is a reason why clickbaity videos of building 6 infinity edges on Jhin do so well, not to mention Dark Mane's entire library of building champions in weird ways such as AD Ekko. League is designed in such a way where it rewards individual play with dopamine inducing power boosts that let people show off how good they are, whilst also allowing for ingame customization choices that really let you goof off and do stupid stuff, and these are the 2 things one needs to really be attractive in a casual crowd. You don't really have that with team levelling and talents, team levelling means that your team as a whole has to be outcompeting the enemy in order to gain a significant power boost, and even if you can go with whacky off meta talents, you're still restricted to whatever Blizzard has curated for the hero. Personally speaking, I think something that HotS lacks that the other games do well is making your progression as character prominent. In Dota (and even League), there is a massive difference between you at Level 1 when you have bad stats and only 1 ability, vs at Level 30 where you have all talents, aghs upgrades, and are 6 slotted with strong items. This feeling of having your numbers going up releases the same dopamine that RPGs do in seeing your numbers going up, getting better gear, and learning new spells and abilities. HotS meanwhile, you have all your abilities at Level 1, so the only noteworthy in game progression is the talents which while it isn't nothing, isn't anywhere as exciting as what the other games offer. It doesn't help that for every hero, every stat increases by 4% every level, which means outside of your ability to quickly kill creeps, the stats you gain per level basically don't matter unless you're ahead or behind in levels. What I will say positively about HotS is how many good ideas the game had, and this is reflected by how both League and Dota adopted elements from HotS after it came out. Even if I don't think the Talent System is enough to provide an interesting customization system on its own, its still a really interesting system, and Valve clearly agreed since they implemented Talents into Dota 2 18 months after HotS came out. In fact there are several HotS innovations I can list that eventually came to League and Dota, such as watch towers (became outposts, and then later watchers in Dota), Bosses that help you push a lane after you defeat them (became the Rift Herald in 2017), Healing Fountains (briefly were implemented into Dota as the shrines, but were then morphed into the present day lotus pools), rideable vehicles such as the Dragon Knight (recently added into League with the Rift Herald update this year), Many aghs upgrades in Dota especially with the big updates in 2019 and introduction of the shard in 2020 resemble many of the more creative types of talents you see in HotS, and finally the support questline system League added in 2017 feels very similar in concept to the HotS quest talents.

Awesome Videos man! Keep it up, Im sure you´ll grow insanely fast. Battlerite was super fun when it came out. I bought it very early but only played it for about 60 hours over all these years. The combat, movement and especially the camera controll are so well made, but theres just nothing beyond the pure fighting.

And with Resurgence of the Storm a fan made remake digs HotS free from the graveyard. Now we just need a Battlerite successor and all MOBAs are alive again ^^

This video hurts. I'm a dota 2 player (started 12 years ago), but I was having so much fun with HotS (no items, global xp, map objectives, and so incredibly fun and diverse heroes to play) that y started to convince friends to move from dota to HotS, a couple of years later, game declare itself dead. I still miss it, I really liked some of it's character, so many unique mechanics in them. Battlerite was also fun, played for several months, quick action, short game, tons of adrenaline, also miss it a bit

I have to say that I think you're totally wrong about battlerite. If anything, battlerite was TOO hard for more casual moba players. The combination of the style of movement, with the resource management ( your skills) plus the additional skill level of being able to cancel some abilities to bait out opponents defensive cds makes the game have an insanely high skill ceiling. The characters are extremely well made and have a lot of depth in uniqueness, but similar to other mobas it's really tough for new players to get into. If you go into a game vs a character that you don't know what they do, and then just die to some mechanic you don't understand that can be really frustrating and push people to leave the game. But ultimately, the biggest thing that killed battlerite was the Battleroyal. If the dev team had just committed to updating the arena version, stuck with it and really dove into fixing some of their issues, making match making better, churning out some more new player friendly characters working on their progression, adding new fun limited time events, they would have had a WAY higher chance for success. But they had the Overwatch syndrome. The devs basically completely abandoned the game that brought them so much success to try to make it into something else that was totally different from what their loyal fanbase was interested in. Because of this, instead of having a huge fanbase to flock to play the game on arrival, the BR fell completely flat. Also because of the lack of dev time put into the arena game, it had also had insanely dwindling numbers. That's what killed battlerite. wanted to come back and say that after rereading this it comes off a bit negative towards you -- that's not my intention, I liked your video a lot and I'm sure you put a lot of time into playing the games for this video. I hope I can add a bit of additional insight as someone who played battlerite from closed beta and loved the game.

HOTS for me will always be the best moba, I regularly go back to it and its nice to see how its still a very popular game. I always seem to get matches quickly and often I find them quicker to get into than league. It doesn't always provide totally fair matchups like putting a bunch of squishy heroes against a much better team fight composition but the majority are fairly balanced. Another thing I love about hots is the small details that are different like having a mount to traverse the map quicker, not having to last hit every minion, everyone gets the same xp so no one is overpowered from a massive lead, the unique ways that some of the heroes play like cho gall being split between 2 players or the last vikings where you have to control 3 characters at once. Hots just offers a unique and more relaxed way to play mobas and I appreciate all the fun moments it has given me, I won't forget it.

The one that made me the saddest when it died was Dawngate. I loved the lore and way they engaged their player base in it! But EA.. just EA

HOTS was my favorite game of all time 😢 Was so refreshing to focus on non stop team fighting & not itemization or last hits

There is another forgotten moba. It was called Master x Master (MxM). MxM had really cool ideas like being able to swap between two characters on the fly and being able to pilot a giant mech. It had always been a niche game but it was really fun to play and it's a shame that it died.

I’d make an argument HotS isn’t even that dead. The Quick Match game mode actually has an in-built hidden MMR, which means that it’s able to maintain a matchmade experience and still have reasonable queue times without matching the same players on repeat. Not to mention how incredibly fast you can get into a match of ARAM when last I played that mode. It clearly has a decently large player base still kicking around. The bigger reason I say this though, is that recently Blizzard has actually started putting out small balance patches for HotS again. Which means we have active (albeit slow) patches and a decently sized player base. It’s not currently serious competition for any of the market defining MOBAs, but it’s not really dead either. It’s just a bit of a smaller game.

Wow, great vid, I played them all > For me HoTS just lack of player base, and once we jump to matches, we just hope we have teammates that understand the objectives, if we don't then 70% a lost. Also it seems Blizz slowly decreasing and not keeping in touch to feedbacks / maintaining the fans / or getting a new one and keep them in the Blizz's games. Seems like all Blizz game are slowly head to deadend. > While Battlerite is one of the games that I really enjoyed because of its top-down view and true arena brawler style, the mechanics is great, your quick-fire finger determined the result. It was too bad they didn't focus on feedbacks, giving new contents, balancing or constantly marketing, until they released BR:Royale for keeping up a hype and act as a last ditch to save the studio (until they release V Rising) > Paragon had many spiritual successor like Smite, Predecessor and Overprime, I'm just worried that there are too many games using this formula and biased the public, resulting all of those games not getting a strong player base Great vid btw, thank you for made it

An amazing thing with Heroes of the Storm is also that the way XP and objectives worked made space for way more creative and crazy heroes which just cannot work in Lol or Dota.

If Battlerite is considered a MOBA then Brawl Stars is a MOBA.

I gave HotS a good try back in the days and trust me in the long run simpler doesn't mean more fun always.Heavy relying on team can give you high anxiety at times.As a Dota player I well know that even on the worst possible team chemistry if i do my best there is a slight chance of winning and I think this kind of applies in LoL too. Winning chances with a "bad" team in HotS was 0.

Another issue with Battlerite was they suddenly jumped on the Battle Royal trend that came out which split up their playerbase since it was 2 seperate games. They wanted to focus more on the battle royal part than the arena which kinda like heroes of the storm lead to it's death.

As long as they don't shut down the server, I would argue this is the best state for a MOBA game, now everything you learn about a hero is useful forever, no more changes makes it easier to master. It's about as dead as chess.

Dawngate was going to be the best MOBA ever, but EA said they didn't want money.

Hots was the best moba game I played. I'm surprised it failed. I had a ton of fun playing with friends. All the hots heroes felt quite good. Ultimately I didn't have enough free time to play competitive games and keep up, so I hadn't realized it was not being updated anymore.

There is another Paragon Revival type game called Predecessor, but it's also behind a paywall that was a bundle instead of free to play.

You did Battlerite so dirty here... The game has the most complex and engaging combat out of all MOBAS I've played (i would personally not even call it a moba) just from the sheer amount of options in skills and being able to feint the use of most ended up building thrilling mind games every match you played against someone who also knew what they were doin. My time playing the game led to one of the most satisfying experiences in gaming I've had in forever. I miss this game really often

Am I only one who remembers moba by EA games called Dawngate?

great video covering these! I do think its really hard for new MOBAs to join the competition nowadays. #FreeRP

HOLYYYY PARAGON LOOKS SO FUN!! I NEED A BREAK FROM LEAGUE. I WILL DEFINITELY GIVE IT A TRY! WONDERFUL VIDEO! CHEERS

It's been stated already but im glad that HotS is still alive through its fanbase and community; heck it got a recent patch! so maybe that means something for the future? just a fleck of hope there haha

HotS was genuinely disliked by many in the MOBA genre because of its simplicity. Some people chose to be a hardass over lasthitting/items. I personally liked talents being an effective replacement for items, changing the way heroes feel rather than being just a stat boots or a bonus ability you buy. BUT the big one was the EXP system. People made jokes about this being the "Soviet MOBA" for that - and it actually was the game's biggest design flaw because it makes matches inherently be decided by the worst player rather than the best. Because LEVEL is the key deciding factor, getting killed frequently is still "feeding" the same way as it is in other MOBAs. Even if they don't get gold... they get exp. A lot of it. Add to that, EXP is distributed across the entire enemy team, so when you die, you don't just feed one single player. You feed the entire team by proxy. As a result, if someone dies 5 times or something like that, he's the reason why the entire enemy team is ahead in level - which is lethal at the talent levels and ESPECIALLY if they reach level 10 before your team for that reason. I know some folks might think this is just being toxic, but no. It's just the facts based on how the game is designed. If only a single enemy gets "fed" a smart team can *usually* deal with it. Not so in HotS because the entire enemy team gets ahead. That's why games are decided by the worst player rather than the best, which should not be the case, ever. I would've played it more if not for that glaring flaw. In my opinion, what truly killed HotS is the EXP system.

U didnt talk about gigantic and it is also back XD. The nostalgia.

Ah that tarmack video from 2018 in the intro. Man i miss his weeky gaming news show😢

I mean, respect to Epic for releasing the assets for free use. Feels like they actually respected the art and the community. Surprisingly different from the normal capitalist strategy of taking all your ip to your grave.

I'd love to see Microsoft revitalize HotS on a small scale. Release one hero and maybe one map a year.

I liked all three of these games, especially Hots. I played it since alpha and if they continued supporting it I woulda kept playing forever but 😢

3:49 It died because blizzard pushed the competitive scene, they wasted all the game budget on a tournament with a big money price just to never do it again.

imo one of the problems about heroes of the storm was buying new characters, most of them were 10k+ and farming 1k per day was like a ton of time when the funniest part of hots was how different each character feels.

I played Hots for a few months, it was a bit different than lol but I enjoyed the variety of maps and stuff.

Hero design was probably one of the best aspects of Heroes of the Storm. You had all sorts of stuff like a 2-player character, being able to turn into a "tower" on the ruins of a building, a hero that was 3 separately controlled characters, and a guy who was built to be weak but could place a respawn point anywhere. Blizzard's expectations for the game were strange though. They really pushed to get it into the mainstream, hosting million-dollar tournaments, and even showing a game over on ESPN2. They were funneling money to an esports scene that just didn't exist. By the end, they were hosting streams with incentives that gave rewards if enough people watched, and since those goals weren't being met, the players who were watching wouldn't get all the rewards.

What is the lofi song you used at 3:38-4:53? My Shazam won't pick it up, but it's a great tune!

excited, I liked Paragon and had no idea it was "relaunching"

Some notes from someone how has been playing HotS since beta: Blizzard didnt have bad support for the game from the beginning. After 2 years or so it started to become weaker support. In the first 2 years we got new events, new maps, new skins every few months. New heroes got released EVERY 3 WEEKS. I am not lying. Every 3 weeks. And they were SUPER transparent and communicative about it. They released 2-3 videos per hero in those 3 weeks release schedule. And they even reacted to players feedback a lot. I actually felt highly attached to not just the game but to the developers too. Any HotS veteran remembering Justin Browder? He was like the head of HotS and he talked a lot to the players in RU-vid videos and on the forums. I felt like I know this dude personally. Back then I thought thats the standard in the industry. High communication output, good reaction on players feedback. Nowadays I know better. Videogame companies hate their players.

Good video, lot of effort and very entertaining, keep it up!

Strife was one that I really enjoyed but failed quickly. you could customize the components of items to have really custom builds. also Infinite Crisis, the DC moba, i was super stoked for it but it flopped.

I know it was tiny, but Demigod was awesome imo The arenas were stunningly made, and the characters, some of the best I've ever seen. The vision was there..

I cannot believe Paragon is back. I wanted to play it back in the day but my pc wasn't good enough and by the time I could have played it, it was down already. I can't wait to try it agian!

Also shoutout to Dawngate and Heroes of Newerth, two other really fun MOBA's that just didn't cut it :(

The people behind battlerite went on to make a game called Vrising, which is so much fun and a really refreshingly great game. You can tell that they took what they learned from battle rite because it's a to down fast paced fighting game that is a survival game too. It's so much fun and I'm happy if blew up.

Im pretty sure HotS is coming back in some capacity. They released a new patch not that long ago. It'll never be as big as it was obviously, but it might resurge a lil

HotS imo suffered from shared XP that would let a bad teammate hold a game back too much. I had at least 1000 hours in HotS and was playing through early beta. Still remember the day I called it quits after losing 5, 45~ min long games because of always having one teammate not joining team fights.

another thing about battlerite: It was a spin-off of another game, bloodline champions, which was a objective-driven moba like HOTS but before HOTS was launched. Then, at some point, devs decided to change the game to be more combat oriented, which gave birth to battlerite. Maybe they wanted to try something different for the genre, idk.

Yoooo ur the moba man, I watched your dota or league video a while back and forgot about you. I finally found one of the better moba content creatora

Having played all of those games, have some of my thoughts on them 1. HotS is one of my favourite mobas overall. When i want to play it, its just hits the right spot. No need of thinking about jungle routing or lane managing. Go lane, kill creep, hit opponent, press QWER. Amazing gameplay. One thing that i find consistent throughout all of those mobas is matchmaking. It is always fun to play, unless i get absolutely destroyed because some 900 lvl dude just knows what to do and i dont have an opportunity to try his hero. But i understand that it happens because of a small alive playerbase. HotS is pretty much a teamfight simulator on most heroes right now. Earlier there have been another role that was focused on pushing lanes and gathering exp, which they reworked and just threw those heroes into different classes. Cant really tell if it was a good idea or not, but i guess they wanted to change somethings 2. Battlerite is, in my opinion, the ONLY true MOBA. Since moba is a "multiplayer online battle arena" and not a "farming simulator with occasional fights". Battlerite is really fun, but, once again, in my opinion, it has a REALLY high skill ceiling. The amount of jukes, plays, couters and other bs you can pull off and feel good about is absurd. Just watch some tournaments and you will see what i am talking about. For more casual players it also can feel really frustrating because of a small playerbase. Only tryhards are left and the leave no chance. There has also been another game called "Battlerite: Battlegrounds" if i recall correctly, which was even more fun than the base game and was ftp. 3. The whole history of Paragon is hilarious to me. The start, the death, the revive, the death, the revive. I really hope that its not a curse of those assets and just poor managment and business decisions, since the game is really fun. Combining the microskill of a shooter and macro of a moba is a really fresh mixture. Yes, there is smite, but smite, for me, also feels like only has sweats left in it. The gameplay didnt really change all that much, some characters has some reworks and stuff, they discontinued some features(really miss the sprint) added some other ones and current predecessor just feels slower and bulkier. Still recommend checking it out An amazing video! Was fun to watch, great voice and the flow of the video is excellent! Keep up the work❤️

omg im so glad I found this video! played paragon years ago but couldn't really enjoy it with my trash laptop. it just vanished

Paragon is back but called predecessor and it’s amazing. I’ve been addicted

how dare you show me a interesting and cool looking game that might make me get attached to it like lol

I used to play Battlerite a lot in high school, would not say I was particularly good, but to me what made the game really interesting was really the slow process of really mastering a champion, they are all quite easy to pick up, but to master them and win against other good people is a hell of an other challenge. And since the fighting system was centered around the total control you had on your champ, it was a real matter of skill.

I still enjoy grassroots tournaments for hots, so I'm glad it still has some people playing

How do you make this video and mention Overprime but not Predecessor? I don't get it.

Man you made me remember battlerite. I had such a blast playing it nonstop for days and days. Idk why I stopped playing. Probably because my friends just wanted to play league instead 😅 But it’s such a fun game I put a lot of time into it.

Cool video. Have you thought obout trying out other "dead" mobas?

I was part of the closet beta of paragon that i applied to for fun in school, i played it and it felt a bit weird i aslo had not yet gotten into overwatch yet because it was still in beta as well i think. back then and i played alone which can be a bit sad when i comes to games like these, might check out the new version. great vid, keep up the good work

i reeeaaaly loved HOTS when it came out! i stoped league for HOTS but then stoped after one year cus it was patched and changed so much

I actually tried every single one of these and had a lot of fun doing so! But I do feel like some of them really put 0 emphasis on the balance of the game. Not that they have to be league levels of "balanced" (lets be honest league isn't that great with this either) but for example Battlerite in my opinion at least had some of the most bullshit heros I've ever seen in a moba. Either way id love for my companies to try their hand at mixing in moba elements into other genres (like paragon which I find myself enjoying quite a bit). Great video mate! :)

This was such a clever paragon ad

Great analysis of Battlerite. I think that game should have been marketed to the crowd that likes games like smash bros, Tekken, Street Fighter, etc. It really doesn't have what MOBA players are looking for. I made that experience with myself and with everyone in my circle, too. Of course, it's my personal opinion but your analysis made me realize this just now.

Poor poor Battlerite.. I was playing the "prequel" Bloodline Champions which was essentially the same game with a bit less characters and slightly different animations. That game had the same fate as Battlerite did. Sadly the developers didn't learn their lesson after their first game, which really is a shame because it was a blast.

I really enjoyed Battlerite back in the days! Thanks for the memories and the info! #FREERP

Battlerite was SO, so good. I probably sank more than 100 hours in it when I saw league streamers playing it during long challenger queue times. It honestly felt so good, so fun, so balanced to play. And then... it just died. I don't think I've been as devastated for a game failing as I was for Battlerite. To this day I keep a slimmer of hope that it will come back again.

Predecessor has been really fun lately and reminds me more of Paragon than Overprime.

The problem with Paragon it will always be hard to get the player base in one place, as there’s quite a lot of clones

I played Paragon because it reminded me of another game back in 2010. LOCO ( land of chaos online) sadly the game is dead, but LOCO REVOLUTION 2 is in progress by 1 or 2 people, trying to revive it again. Hopefully you get to try that game out.

hots is probably the best one tbh. but all mobas are really just rekins of one another when you boil it down. i prefer objective based pvpve so battlerite wasnt for me. if we think about it, overwatch is like the next gen moba. id love to see more roguelike elements pushed into the moba genre. remove characters, remove items. we get a selection of augments to choose from. as the match progresses. games like these are always victim of a meta forming. forcing rng into each match will keep it fresh. id love a moba with a procedurally generated map as well

Overprime is technically the 3rd parazombie. Predecessor which is the option and Fault(Died as well). Team Souleve is the creator of Overprime where as Netmarble picked them and are currently funding them

at least the battlerite creators just went to make a similar fighting style game in vrising. Although pretty different from a MOBA it has the spirit.

You should try out Omeda Studio's version of Paragon called Predecessor. Predecessor definitely has a better and more engaged community.

Nice video. Interesting topic. However, much as I despise video clutter, I'd recommend mentioning giveaways early in the video if you want them to be successful at driving engagement.

Amazing video, good watch! I have played heroes of the storm once, a friend recommended it and offered me to try it on their pc. I can definitely agree with what you said - it was more relaxing and I didn't feel useless. Cool game. As for Paragon - thank you for telling us about it! It looks hella fun, I'm definitely installing it as soon as I get to my pc! #freerp

man i really miss hots had so much fun playing it with my friends sad to see the current state the game in

Nice vid next do these games Gigantic, Breakaway and battle born

I didn't really played any of those games, but the concept of those mechanics always seemd really appealing to me, idk why I haven't tried any of those before #FREERP