Is Dwight Howard a Hall of Famer? Stephen A. and Max debate | First Take 

facts my brotha

Hall of famer for baby mamas. Lol😂😂😂

Agreed, and I do disagree about this whole revitalizing his career this year though, just two years ago he was giving Charlotte 17 and 12.5 a game, but other than that he was injured all last year with Washington basically. He just getting the attention now because he is in LA.

Mutumbo is in so unfortunately yes lol

@@marcinho7204 HE ISNT

Exactly! The Max and SaS brand is to always disagree

Connor Jones right 💯

true

He's said it before that he's a HOF, smh they'll say anything to be controversial

Aint that how it always is? Lol

Not to mention he beat LeBron to take Orlando to the finals

As a center he was absolute monster man was a baby Shaq in the paint with more bounce

KING CB3 The Cavs won 60+ that year and had the top spot in the East, so that made it special.

@@musicmixesmore3049 It wasnt even like Lebron was choking either, Lebron was averaging a 40 pt triple double and was playing shut down defense

Add a ring to that list

ron evensen same reason VC moved teams same reason Shaq moved teams same reason either old age or injuries 🤷🏾‍♂️

Tim Hardaway is not in the Hall of Fame because of "drama" over one interview

3 time DPOY is enough

C web isn’t in because of drama surrounding his basketball career

@@michaelexavier1811 c webb's was more than drama, his was a legit scandal. Dwight's issues were petty compared to the fab 5's

Ben Wallace won more but he’s not in; but the NBA Hall of Fame is a joke anyway

Dizzle20062006 the NBA hall of fame can be seen as weird if you don’t realize it’s not actually the NBA hall of fame but the basketball hall of fame. It’s an important distinction because it accounts for more than what you do in the NBA.

Dizzle20062006 Howard also has better stats than Ben. Plus Wallace will get in eventually, it’s just that there’s been some stacked classes.

Dizzle20062006 ok and? D12 is a HOF no question

Don Williams The Basketball Hall of Fame may be easier to get into than the other sports. But the Baseball HOF is filled with a bunch of PED users while writers refuse to induct other guys who did steroids because they don’t like them. The Pro Football hall also has people using their votes to fill their personal vendettas against certain players who they don’t like, while admitting guys with questionable off the field issues. No HOF is perfect.

Sudhir Kakar well five time first team all NBA sooooooooo

Sudhir Kakar I’ve now lost brain cells

Sudhir Kakar from 2007/2008-2012/2013

Sudhir Kakar yes he was

Sudhir Kakar lmao you’re a clown

Light Iverson facts

Don't know why hornets traded howard

@@LamontBoucherville as a dwight fan i am pretty happy that he´s on the lakers rn he´s playing great

W

@@LamontBoucherville apparently mj thought he was a and influence on the young guys due to his rich lifestyle

Carmelo is a hall of famer

Adeyemi Animashaun lmao 😂😂

kingdan 216 as is Dwight and you can argue he’s more accomplished then Melo

@@MrSlashblade facts you can

Facts

Rodman got rings

Hugh Hefner Dwight is a better player than Rodman

@@hueyfreeman7184 shawn Kemp was a better overall player than rodman. Is he in the hall

@@hueyfreeman7184 GTFOH

@@DocYAYAYA lol don't know what you're arguing. Prime Dwight is better overall than prime Rodman.

LoL LoL FACTS

His first 8 seasons are why I surely believe he's a future HOF. In his prime and someone said best center, his name would be the first name to pop up.

Facto loool just put his numbers on the board

If Dwight Howard isn't a Hall of Famer neither is Carmelo Anthony

@@kngjames02 you must have started watching the nba in 2015..

? He wasnt an NBA champion with Orlando

@@ayeyobossman6151 Lakers 2020

@@ayeyobossman6151 Yea I must’ve edited it once he won the championship but I know he wasn’t

Teddy Otti that’s what I said. They act like he was completely bummy since LA

But you have to see the difference between putting up decent numbers on a terrible team and putting up decent numbers on one of if not the best team in the league

I keep saying that.. That's why i was surprised when they didn't keep him

SEAN FOLAN that’s definitely a key component too. However, Dwight is 34 and his injuries make him 40. now so obviously his numbers aren’t going to be outstanding. But 16 and 12 is still impressive for someone who was “washed”

michael victor I thought his stint with the rockets was very underrated he was a very good player and he was a beast in the playoffs every year in Houston

It's no question that Howard is a hall of famer.

💯💯💯

@AnObviousUsername yao is in the hall of fame. So dwight should be too plain and simple

It's players in the HOF with less accomplishments he probably won't be 1st ballot but he's definitely a HOF

@Sudhir Kakar you aren't the brightest are you?

Li Tai Fang 💯

Couldn't agree for more

Vlade is in the hall of fame for beating the USA twice in the Olympics and being the trailblazer that allowed Europeans players to transition into the league. He also help the NBA expand its brand to the Europe.

Peter Haile Even with that being said, Howard should be in if Vlade is in (1 all star game and zero all nba)

Even if considering Divac as a special case, Howard is also a better player than Jack Sikma. I mean just look at his career accomplishments: 8× NBA All-Star 5× All-NBA First Team 3× NBA Defensive Player of the Year 4× NBA All-Defensive First Team 5× NBA rebounding leader 2× NBA blocks leader

Savion Miller 🤣

HGC 4E 40 and 14 the close out game 6 people forget about that 🤦🏾‍♂️

Elijah Guerrero Thank you! 🙌

Actually its the players around him...jRich, turkoglu is 6'10 with PG like skills..(cavs had no answer for that really) and there was other shooters n defense was better. But they cant beat that Lakers squad tho lol

LeBron's Cavs weren't good, and the East was pathetic.

@@Laurent_08 lmao cavs have won 60+ wins thay year and your saying thier not good?

Ok, but what if you were only top 5? Like Chad Johnson or Damian Lillard.

thsu8 Damian Lillard isn’t a HOF

Ryan Lajara I don’t think Bosh did enough. Great defensive player and selfless teammate though. Melo is a HOFer. Lillard is tough. Dame isn’t better than Steph, Kyrie, or Westbrook.

So Andrew Bynum a HOF?

Both Dame and Kyrie are HOF. Especially Kyrie he won the game vs 73-9 warriors.

Lmao. Facts

Even worse didn't skip to my lou start in the playoffs for a little bit because Nelson was hurt? Lmao

Best times!

Saif Siddiqui that team wasn’t even close to on the level the Celtics were or even lebron and the cavs Jameer Nelson wasn’t an all star foh

Saif Siddiqui Nelson had one year in his career where he averaged more than 13 points a game and it happened to be that year. He averaged 16 a game that’s not all star numbers

@@jamesthomas1649 uhh that baby is Lil Wayne and he's one of the greatest rappers and artists of the century

tito thomas my cousin put me on to Lil Wayne the carter 3 is the reason I listen to rap music

@@lildaddy10001 lmao you don't have to answer him, like you sitting in court or sth. Let him hate...

DosSantos721 nah there’s no need to be rude. If he wants to hate then he can imma be me and be respectful cause that’s how I was raised

because millennials thinks hes not

LJ Hansmyer big facts

For sure, ask AI, or Rodman

Deadass

Correct!

Nah, he was a cancer that teams didn't want even when he was actually good. You have to factor it in.

Nick Shwartz TMac is way better than Dwight. That is a terrible comparison. HOF is about the individual. Before injury TMac was on Kobe’s level of skill. Dwight never even close to Kobe’s level.

Brent skill isn’t the metric that determines if your in the HOF. Statistics, performance, and accolades does. On all three counts, Dwight beats TMAC. Their offensive production was compatible in their primes, but Dwight also was the best defensive player in the league in that five year stretch, switching on to clamp perimeter players if need be. Tmac was never close to the defensive beast that was prime D12. Dwight went to the finals. Dwight has gotten out of the first round multiple times. Tmac hasn’t done either of those things. Dwight has more all nba appearances. Dwight has better career averages. The list goes on. And they’re players worse than TMAC in the hall like Mitch Richmond, gale Goodrich, Reggie miller etc that Dwight easily has had a better career than. This argument is so retarded. If he doesn’t make the hall, a lot of retired players needed to get their acceptances reversed

@@triiii1303 Just Won The Finals 2020

@@brent9908 don't use skill as a factor for hall of fame lol. If that's the case Kyrie Irving would be in the hall of fame in his 3rd year 😭😂😂

@@triiii1303 What's laughable is that you say Dwight's offensive production is compatible to T-Mac. T-Mac won a regular season scoring title with 32 ppg. The most Dwight after averaged was 22 ppg. It's not even close. Next I never said skill determines a HOF. I was simply making the point that T-Mac should be in the HOF bc he was consistently producing on Kobe's level for years. Kobe even said Tracy was the toughest player for him to guard bc he can do everything he can do and he's taller. I won't say "skill" since you read way too much into words and semantics. Third Dwight won defensive player of year for all those years bc there is a bias for bigs when it comes to that award. Tracy McGrady was an excellent defender in his own right. You clearly don't watch enough basketball if you don't know that McGrady was a great defender. T-Mac shutdown two offensive juggernauts in Dirk and Glen Robinson in the playoffs. However, for the sake of the argument I can be objective and give Dwight the edge on overall defensive impact. You talk about Dwight's finals appearance but he had better teams around him. McGrady never got to play with a healthy prime Grant hill. Only had a couple of healthy years with Yao, who retired early due to injury. In short, Dwight had the longevity, but prime vs prime McGrady is certainly the better basketball player. Any NBA player would tell you the same. Dwight had flaws like lack of post moves, no mid range game, poor free throw shooter, no handles. However, you cant name one flaw in T-MAC's game. I REST MY CASE

john doe thank you, that’s exactly what is happening here

Lebron just didn't want that Mamba smoke. Facts. 2010 ECF proved it even more.

MrGenexxx Lebron averaged nearly FORTY that series against Orlando. Are you kidding???

Rashad and Hedo brah. They shot lights out with the 3's

@@kidjo131 You notice how people can say nonsense and it will get a bunch of likes cause it's Lebronlol even it's not a fact...The truth is the Cavs ran into a bad matchup.Hedo,Pietrus,Lewis all them dudes were on 🔥 from 3. And Dwight was a big problem in the middle and Cavs centers couldn't guard him.Lakers matched up better with Orlando with Kobe,Gasol,Bynum,D Fisher,Odom,Ariza

@@sd81a46 Rashad, Pietrus,Hedo...They were pissing me off with all them 3 pointers lol

Cassidy should host

This was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen Stephen A say

Probably somehow had Football HOF voter credentials n did the same for TO LOL

Bingo

Didn’t think of it like that. Valid point 🙏🏻

Man u read my mind!!!

If Rodman is in, Howard is in!!!

@@dennisjr77 I think Dwight is a HOFer but you should've put other HOFer instead of Rodman as an example, Rodman is more than deserved being in the HOF, he has 5 rings lol

Exactly

@Tod Wilkinson Drummond is no where close as good as prime Dwight

@Tod Wilkinson dude stop

@Tod Wilkinson 🤣 because Drummond is 7 feet tall and can rebound. Stop it. Where are his accolades fool!

@Tod Wilkinson Idek bro, I mean one of them actually lead his team to the playoffs multiple years, won multiple, DPoYs, and spoiled a LeBron v Kobe finals. Stan van Gundy had the same gameplay with Drummond that's why he has so many rebounds but Dwight runs and had more decent post moves/inside scoring and you can see why they didn't get to emulate the same success with the Orlando run

Denzel Wilksch ikr

@Tod Wilkinson Bill Walton Ralph Sampson Tracy Mcgrady

@Kruv Mezulari Name an MVP that isn't a HOF. It's not the same.

Kruv Mezulari The difference is Derrick Rose has played at a high level the last couple seasons including this one. There’s no debate about Rose being a HOF if Dwight Howard is considered one. I mean he was an MVP 10 years ago and is still relevant.

Denzel Wilksch stephen a just making noise

He has to be ain’t no way he truly believes Howard isn’t

He is trolling and causing a debate. He was had mentioned in the recent past that he was a HOF and now all of a sudden he’s not.

He’s worse than Skip. Trying to disagree just to make the show polarizing.

They have to disagree otherwise people don't watch

It's almost as if it's a scripted debate where one guy's viewpoint is purposely set against the other guy's viewpoint 🤔

Mos def. Ben Wallace too

Tracy Mcgrady with out.injurys would had been a top 5 player all time . Everyone knows that, that’s why he was in the hall of fame no questions asked.

@@tieon82 Grant Hill did make the HOF. He and Steve Nash got in the same year. T Mac was only second to Kobe during his prime years. Some years he was the best offensive player in the game, but Kobe was an elite defender. I use to love their battles, they would kill each other.

@@MrNado123 my bad.. Ur right about Hill. I will say for a 2 year span maybe.. McGrady was better than Kobe..

noah maroto I wish the HOF was harder to get into because while that’s true, maybes and what if stories shouldn’t get players into the HOF. It should be your accomplishments and accolades and in my opinion with TMAC making it the criteria has been lowered significantly. I love TMAC though, one of my all time favorites.

No he's not

Brandon Mcgowen 8x All-Star, 8x All NBA, 5x All Defense, 3x DPOY, 2x Block champ, Finals appereance, Gold Medal Olympic. Is he a first ballot probably not but he is for sure a HOFer

@@wethenorth7849 still trash

@@brandonmcgowen7135 have you even seen Dwight's resume?😂😂😂 Its a lock dude

@@brandonmcgowen7135 much worst players are in the hall of fame idiot

17 and 13 ?? That ain't HOF numbers!

jaylovespti for the back end of your career? It’s not bad

@@jaylovespti look at Ben Wallace stats, who's better Dwight or big Ben..17and 13 are definitely good after your best years..

Steven Borreo to be fair Ben Wallace won a chip and 4 DPOY, not dissing Dwight but Ben Wallace was a dog

@@AtlasAdvice254 Dwight also won a bunch of DPOYs my guy

Got it.

David Robertson I don’t even see why Chris Paul is considered one I mean he’s on the all time assist list but that’s the only thing he has going for him he has been an MVP candidate but he doesn’t have one he has multiple all star selections tho dude hasn’t even made the finals

@@Sam-oe4dt dont need to be a mvp to be a hall of famer... dont need to make the finals either. Majority of hof probably havent done one or the other and a good number havent done either.

SamYG If you don’t think CP is a HOFer than you clearly never saw him play in his prime

Lool I should kill myself right now ahaha are we really arguing whether cp3 is a hall of famer

SamYG You probably like 12 tf you know how good CP3 was 2007-2014 easily the best pg in basketball

David Krumme faxtssssssssssssssssss

GREAT role players

And as a center too.

I wouldn’t say single handedly. Hedo, Jameer, Rashard Lewis played pretty darn well in that playoff run. Hedo made some insanely tough, clutch shots

dwight was a legit superstar and best player on the team from 2008-2012, but to say he carried a bunch of role players is a massive overstatement. jameer nelson and rashard lewis made the all star team in 2009, and hedo turkoglu made virtually every clutch shot necessary for us to advance to the nba finals. not too mention we had a deep bench made up of jj redick, marcin gortat, courtney lee, and mikael pietrus. Bottom line: dwight was a huge piece of that 2009 finals team, but to say he carried us single handedly is false and short sighted

kenneth denny meh

No

eoe123321 must’ve forgot about everything he accomplished in Orlando

no

eoe123321 he’s absolutely first ballot. Go check those accolades again fam. His accolades are in line with Alonzo, dikembe, etc, who are all first ballot. And u can argue that he had a better career than both.

Melo has career numbers.. dwight has Orlando numbers

Melo is a First ballet HOF period you could give way better examples for your point

Nothing Stephen A. said was wrong 💯

Luis Rodrigues Stephan A said Dwight having problems with teams makes him less likely to get in. Melo didn’t fit with the Rockets or Thunder 🤷🏾‍♂️

Melo was a better player. Has more allstars appearances and gold medals as well as actually hall of fame numbers offensively

@ Kenton was in his prime with the Cavs and Heat. Miami was just a better team. Lebron avg 35 pts(career high) the year Dwight knocked him out the playoffs.

@@peterhaile8516 dwight Howard averaged 35 points 17 rebounds and 5 blocks in that series now that's dominating your opponent and he stop a Kobe vs Lebron finals

Peter Haile Lebron was not in his prime with the cavs. He was 26 the year he lost to Dallas. 27 28 is your prime to 32 those are your prime years

@@omaidolor8929 he was in his prime

Bay is Giannis in his prime right now???

Stop it he a HOF but that Orlando team was deep especially for east playoffs standards

Trey Chapo they beat boston.... they are deep but hes clearly the only all star calibre player on that team!

@@treychapo1898 they beat 2 60 win teams in 2009 and Dwight dominated in the playoffs

@@eddyededwin Boston didn't have KG them playoffs but let's not act like Rashad Lewis hedo turkgelu jameer Nelson and JJ Reddick ain't 🔥🔥🔥

Trey Chapo but they aint kobe gasol kg ray allen pp duncan or anyone of that calibre! its obvious dwight was the centerpiece of that team!

the show makes max and Stephen a disagree with each other so that it's more of a debate show

Kobra Khan plus he’s been hanging around 16/12 and had a 30/30 game two years ago. He had two bad years. Last year and Atlanta where he averaged 13 and 11. Those are his worst seasons since 04 when he got drafted.

Some days I feel like slapping SAS

He explains why he wouldn’t take him despite acknowledging the numbers in the video...

Lol those are not HOF numbers

lol hes clearly lying

Exactly it’s just a debate show they have to say things they don’t really believe

I agree. Conveniently Max and Stephen A disagree about everything. How convenient

its first take. they always have to disagree

They probably do this just to generate views

Yep and it's a lot of people

Jarred Husted Melo is better than Dwight. It’s not even close. That’s why they say that. Don’t ever compare Melo to Dwight again.

Brent Melo is the most overrated player in NBA history, I’ll go to the grave saying that. Left Denver didn’t do anything after, no nba finals appearances

Melo has had a longer more productive carreer.. Dwight on the knicks would hit depression in 2 years lol. diwght and Melo on thr knicks would have been dope tho

You stop playing too he is first ballot

*there

No he is first ballot not even close.

He's first ballot

He's first ballot

Negusis 85 Same bs reason T.O. got played. Regardless there are players in the HOF with less numbers and accolades, Dwight should no doubt make it.

Fax

Tod Wilkinson you do realize she almost one mvp one year right was dominant with the magic and he also carried his magic team Andre Drummond was never a mvp discussion

Tod Wilkinson shut up

Max got it right; Stephen A. got a bug, after effects of that flu he had a few weeks back. He's been tripping recently; talking about he doesn't know if the Lakers can win anymore... I know the Bucks and the Clippers and other teams are good out there, but bro don't give up on your Lakers. West coast baby!

They forget he wasn’t 100%

It says more about lebron as a leader than Kobe as a leader.

@A.M. Cause dwight is scared that his back injury might comeback again so hes not playing 100% im still mad at him because of that kobe played 48 mins to bring them to playoffs that caused him the achilles injury.

He had a broken back when he was playing with my guy Kobe and Nash was washed

@@verginn dont be blaming dwight for kobes injury. The management chose the wrong coach and they played dwight with a broken back.

respect tmac woow yao yeah not tmac

foreal... prime tmac never get past first round of the playoffs and hes a hof

Rob Smith people would disagree cause they hate Dwight. People remember T-Mac for his skills and his 13 points in 35 seconds but fail to realize he never made it out of the first round (not including with spurs)

Wow Yao Ming is 100 percent a hof but Tracy nope

He was way better... Achieved more.

Anthony Herrera Stephen a losing brain cells😂😂😂🤦🏾‍♂️

He’s right Dwight has made every team he’s went to worst since then

Tod Wilkinson 8 all people nba is more than 4 years...

Ralph Brown he ain’t been getting enough sleep bruh

JustSaying his first Lakers stint before he went to Houston

Thank you lol. Sas is a joke

I think he meant it as before he went to LA and before he went to Houston, and just spoke like that

Other way around

He’s been a Laker twice now

IRV G on god

Hakeem olajawon and Hakeem won the championship

bronx bully he had Clyde Drexler

bronx bully is ewing didn’t finger roll the script would be different

Bill Walton

Maximal idk I don’t think it’s enough

Steve Jobs nah

Stephen A would probably say Melo is a definite HoF'er. Dwight's career is way better better than Melo's.

Good point.

ssimpson11234 Agree ! But to me T-Mac isn’t a hall of famer to me either ! To easy to be a hall of famer in the nba

kasper rieberg yeah too easy. That’s why I was saying to a guy earlier that AD can’t be a HOF yet.

I was literally about to make this same comment.

Howard is one MVP away from being as accomplished as Barkley

based off his defense alone he's a hall of famer

HTX Lemarc exactly, tf was that about. SAS now had to answer with “absolutely” lol

I was just thinking that. They should replace her

Ya I no right? All the poor blacks/browns that dont have cable are saying hes not a HOFer but all the white people that watched his whole career is saying he Is a A HOFer. Folks like me and SJS said the flaming flamingo unfortunately IS A HOFER!!!! ESSSKEITTTT

D.J. Collins slow news day

Won 3 Defensive Player of the Year awards in a row, and finished 2nd in MVP voting.

@Tod Wilkinson he is a undersized center but he's still a center. He was good in the 10's also, getting 2nd place in MVP voting in 2011 and brought the magic to the eastern conference finals in 2010.

Boy don't ever compare a center to tmac. Stats aside let's talk straight skill

@Tod Wilkinson So what should be the criteria to make the hof?

People don’t make hall of fame just based on skill, need accolades also, so for sure Dwight makes it if mcgrady did. But I prefer both were not in it, but if one is in the other should be also

Mack Major Fact!

@@chocktalk mcgrady was better then Iggy ,Klay thomas, Chris Paul,Paul peirce, and alot more dudes with rings. He definitely a Hof'er let's not forget he had no weakness. I don't wanna hear about what he done or if he didn't win a chip. Don't compare him to Dwight.

That's how these talk shows work. they might agree on certain debates but 99% they discuss beforehand in the production meeting that you will take this side and argue and I will take that side and argue. That's how that works. We have to remember these guys are TV personalities. Television characters sort of. They have to maintain that character show after show.

Once a month they agree just to throw us off lmao

It’s a debate show. Lol