Is Eating Animals Wrong? Hunters vs Vegans | Middle Ground 

I fully agree, I myself stopped eating meat and fish because i'm against the meat and fishing industry. But I'm not against hunting for food if the animal had a normal life, when none of the animal is wasted and it's done on a sustainable way.

I’m vegan but I 100% agree

Well you speak sense but we have to acknowledge the fact that hunting itself is a lifestyle and with every lifestyle comes expenses.. Not everyone has the time, money no the skill least speak of the land to hunt and process game meat but still want meat 🥩with this I don't overlook the negetivity that the cormecial meat industry has on the environment but I believe it's bridging this gap for those who lack the privilege to hunt for themselves ..

it’s not morally right BUT it is better

@@lais.v.m yes

Yeah I agree, the animals get to live full lives in the wild and are killed more humanely as compared to the meat industry which is very traumatic for the animals

I think both are humane, but then again I have a better perspective of the meat industry since I’m in it. If you have any questions though I’m open to answer.

I think vegans don't like eating meat because killing an animal is inhumane and there's no good way to end an animal's life.

@@FoggyTheHippo how are the animals killed

@@athmos6891 That is debatable, the air powered “guns” used in slaughterhouses are humane if you ask me. The death is extremely quick and efficient and doesn’t involve the animal being in pain.

Very refreshing

Only thing I disagreed with a little was when Carly defending trophy hunting bc while I agree with hunting for food I'm against sport hunting and there's tourist opportunities where ppl can take photos and that benefits the community

Except for the one guy who claims the food industry was "co-opted by whiteness". Junior . . . . . . no.

Definitely in the top 50% of their episodes, but I feel like they barely scratched the surface of this debate. There is so much more they could have gone over that would have really put it above the rest.

I felt the opposite. I felt this group was woefully ignorant of many of the issues at the crux of this. Have someone who works in conservation policy who hunts or having an actual vegan farmer who harvests and relies on that food. Needed way more here.

Why can't everyone just discuss their point of view like this? It makes me sad when ones are hateful and disrespectful. We’re all people on the same planet, why can’t we all get along.

​@@coreyw8739not everyone is the same lmao

i love meat

We love drama though

Jelani, chico but you did.

bahahaha this comment is the one :P

Surprised this is the only comment with that in there 😂 or the mention of Richard and “is there not a banana…”

This joke is so dead. Stop

JFC this joke is just beating a dead horse by now

Abolished, not fixed.

@@GriffinK10 you right

@@GriffinK10 cant just straight up abolish it. That inhumane industry still provides food to millions if not billions

@@jayyzee5708 You can't feed the world on meat. You can feed the world 2 times over off plants. Not to mention the impact it has on the climate, our bodies, and the animals themselves.

@@GriffinK10 You can't? Then what is happening right now? lol Plus allergies exist, there are some people which conditions and health issues that can't eat a lot of plant matter, and having the meat added in keeps them healthy (myself being one)

vegans also care a lot about animals - but instead of doing it like the hunters, they show it by not using animal products. which are all just from the industry - which both hunters and vegans are against. vegans and hunters don't necessarily interfere with each other, more than anything they're on the same side. it should be against the meat industry, not vegans vs hunters.

I want to see someone get slapped with some meat 😂😂 wouldve made my day

@@scottbivins4758 what are you talking about lil bro?

@@samibinol that's exactly what I was thinking; hunters for necessity and vegans have the same goal and enemy in mind for the most part so why wouldn't they get along?

@@samibinolI’ve never thought of it like that

💯

Most hunters are subsistence hunters though.

@@DA-js7xz in the west maybe? Not globally.

Alaska is a conservative state

YES!

Same

Yes..very sad..

It's so sad

I felt sorry for the victims, the non-human victims of the situation will never change as being the target, no matter the human resolution in that particular scenario with that Alaskan person... hunting to survive and not starve to death as there is nothing else is not a "special relationship with the animals" or "being at one with nature", it's a simple act of survival that entails your own suffering and death if you can't eat to survive. Ultimately if that Alaskan person has no other choice in the matter than to take other sentient lives, unless she suffer the same fate or suffer from severe malnourishment as a result of her unforgiving and inhospitable climate, then my sincerest sincerities honestly (must be a very gruesome way to live), then that is survival, and nothing special or admirable about that; just utter survival and no other judgement is to be had. It's very cruel, but also necessary as your own suffering and eventual painful death would mean taking another being's life would be justified as it would outweigh the being's fate, nothing more. In the eyes of the non-human animals, it's simple survival, death, and unimaginable suffering, no special "relationship". Ultimately if we had a choice not to live such a horrid existence and not inflict such cruelty onto other beings, then surely that would make much more sense and would be the more moral thing to do for all? Surely trying *to get out of* that cruelty and not killing others should be done? And in turn eliminating all forms of injustice in our world that we can, rather than appealing to speciesist murder while those people who don't live such a cruel existence *have the choice not to* (AKA, the majority of the world, especially in the west), therefore clearly not having to resort to such extremities to live and sustain their lives, livelihood and wellbeing. Having other standards for other creatures whilst favouring others (like the hunters did with their dogs) is not admirable, killing other beings that have an equal desire to live as you do is not admirable, the suffering of having nothing else apart from to hunt to stay alive is nothing special.

@@lerapol tldr

@Jayhemess Drake what

@Jayhemess Drake yeah what? That is absurd and ridiculous of you to think that

@Jayhemess Drake 8:00 Who do you think the land belonged to then???

@Jayhemess Drake seek help and the slightest bit of compassion pls

@Jayhemess Drake they think it’s ok for native Americans to plunder and exploit ppl and natural resources with religion as long as they aren’t white

How do you know when someone is a vegan? They’ll tell you! 😂😂😂

tuff

@Kaiser24 Just because that's how people have done it throughout history doesn't mean we have to keep doing it, and it doesn't make it right.

Yea makes you wonder why they have kids with the people that do it.

@@RainWalking You don't have kids with the government, you have kids with the citizens of that government, who are simply subjects to a system bigger and more complicated than any one person.

@@ElectronicCalifornia I was thinking the same

True lol

Erin to the vegans in this video: tHaTs NoT vEgAN

I LOVE THIS COMMENT SO MUCH

“Your comment…. Uhhh not vegan!” Is something that green midget would say

i love how erin has like a whole fanbase and everyone remembers her

because its a gay thing or women. real men aren't vegan at all since they need cholesterol and proteins.

probably cuz 99 per cent of vegans are gay ive never met a non gay vegan lol

I know hes gay

💀

I mean generally it's true. Hippies are usually vegan and lgbt

Thank you!

They have some very civil ones. The conservative Trans vs liberal trans wasn't civil

Why'd you have to go and make things so complicated? I see the way you're acting like you're somebody else. Gets me frustrated. Just admit that you love the videos I make, my dear my

@@AxxLAfriku what?

Looks like she was having a break down. Trying to make any excuse that she can.

@@edward3591 ignore him, its some crazy guy that crawls around every comment section advertising his channel. Surprised hes still around tbh

ALL ANIMALS ARE CONSCIOUS HUMANS ARE HERBIVORES ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE ABUSE

Anytime I buy meat I try to source it from smaller farms from my butcher. The enemy we all have is the Meat Packing Plants. I would love to go vegan, but chicken is too good to give up.

Only if every vegan was understanding and respectful like you. Most of them I met are so high up on their Moral high horse and act like their lifestyle is the only way to eradicate all problems in in life.

Exactly! I respect hunters even though I wouldn’t do it myself because they still seem connected to their foods and to the lands unlike mass farming and food factories.

@@Princessbubblegum567 I think it also has a lot to do with american vegans or white vegans. You can't expect individual changes without facilitating with policies. If nutritional vegetables were as cheap as meat much more people would pick them. If people had more resources to spend on food a fair wage they would be more inclined to choose whats better for the environment and also animals.

Thank you! I absolutely agree.

Race shouldn't matter. You should be judged based on the continent of your character not your race. I don't want to listen to what you have to say because you're an indigenous person I'd like to listen to what you have to say because you're a human being. f*** your skin color. Let's end racism today all forms of it. Weather at benefits you or not. I say this as a half indigenous person, quarter black American, quarter anglo Saxons Germanic Viking.

Agreed When I do eat fish (pescatarian) I always try to buy humane and the best quality but I do understand it’s hard for a lot of people to afford those options

@@Ookashay they have extremely crappy conditions of billions of animals, contribute significantly to global warming, waste a ton of resources such as food and land. We are already growing enough food for 10 billion people, but we feed a ton of it to livestock.

@@adrianvasquez6783 it amazes me how many people still don’t know this

That should be the next middle ground

It absolutely is. I can't support industrial farming of living, feeling and thinking beings. There is no way animal's well being can be prioritized when the largest profit has to be made.

I’m surprised the vegans weren’t Karen’s wut

I know right. I wanted to write the same thing in the comment section. But then thought maybe someone else thought the same. 🤣

How tf would the hunter be the Karen in the situation when vegans are involved?

The did her dirty in the thumbnail

ikr she seems so nice

A "hunter" respecting a community that would see you jobless? Think of more believable lies to tell online

​@@funichigoI doubt hunting is their "job".

@@coffeebean7340yeah I don’t exactly know if hunting is a job😭

As a vegan is at least a baseline level of understanding about the food process that happens when hunting, and you can't accuse people of hypocrisy as easily. Population control is a reasonable angle as well. It's industrialised animal agriculture that is, in my opinion, the great moral evil.

@@funichigo The troll of the thread, everyone!

It shows that America's riches are on another level. Now you can afford the vegetables that have all your nutrients.

Samee ,here where i live is actually it's luxury to have meat on the household

But veganism can extend to everything makeup, candies, clothes, dairies, I think what you are talking about is being vegetarian.

Same in Mexico 😬

Same in Morocco ( north Africa ) ........this whole narrative is very interesting to me 🤔

The world would be a so much better place if more people simply respected the views and ideas of others.

some of the vegans

I find that that is why people get louder and louder when they argue. It's more about feeling like the other person isn't understanding their point of view so they have to yell it louder to try and get them to understand. If people would take an extra step of 'Is this what you mean..?' before going off on their opinion, I think we'd get better debates and more respect for each other. Often times, we aren't even concerned so much that someone has a different opinion, just that we want to have our opinions understood as well.

The vegans just became apologists for the animal abusers by the end. It's not even a particularly good discussion on the ethics of veganism, they only succeeded in sugar-coating the issue and brushing it under a rug

Yes, they are willing to say that because the conversation is recorded, let them on twitter and see what happens

She IS indigenous culture

Much much respect

Hunters are like pedophiles; they prey on the innocent.

That is rural Alaskans

Fr ! That’s the true concern

This is a really important conversation that needs to be had

I’ve been vegan for nearly 10 years. And If you hunt for food, that’s more respectable then factory farming. And I say eat what you want. It’s your health not mine.

Yes

@@marvellbgry Vegan is more than just eating. It's all animal products. And it is not a simple matter of choice when there is a victim involved. You wouldn't go around saying "rape who you want, it's your body and you can get an STD if you want". Someone else is being raped. The rapist's body is not the issue.

Awesome idea!

@@sunflowerqueen6569 agree

Yes!!!

yes!!!!

@@luciahpbrn ikr

Where I am from, farmers raise vegetable or fruit crops. Ranchers raise animals.

@@aaronfischer9885 Where I'm from agriculturist grow vegetables, ranchers raise animals and farmers do both things, they have farm animals and grow vegetables and grain too.

Where I’m from, farming is done ethical and there is very few instances of animal cruelty, unlike The rest of europe and america…

I fear there will be a fight if they did lmao

i'm a vegetarian and get attacked a lot by vegans saying i'm worse than a meat eater cause i think i'm doing good but i'm not🙂

yea fr im vegetarian and ppl always think we're the same as vegans

@@ddqio7774 what the hell? Really?

@@sola_a Why would there be? Fighting to protect their dairy addiction?

I mean... Sexism drastically influences most cultures. Doesn't mean it's right or should be protected or defended.

im sure they're way more eco and nature aware than people who buy from supermarkets

Just because it from indigenous does not make it ethical if they can survive, reasonable and practicable without meat. Justification of meat to the contrary or literally saying it's fine because they are indigenous, is a waterdown verison of the racist concept of the "nobel savage".

@@ONeill01 native americans and alaska natives have been living off the land for thousands of years before europeans set foot on north america, they needed to hunt animals like bison/elk/reindeer/etc in order to survive.

@@williamblue356 Please re-read what I said, if they genuinely cannot survive being vegan as practicable and reasonable then this is ok

Lmao same

the only one i felt a bit iffy about was the blonde because she doesn't really have to hunt like the eskimos do.

@@JewTube001 but she's helping keep the population down and she's feeding her family.

@@hahouse7209 but what does keeping the population down mean? from my experience it either means culling an invasive species, or culling a native species after we culled the native species predator. there's a lot of fuckery that goes with first world people interfering with natural ecosystems. as for her and her family's survival, they have the privilege to eat other foods so it's not really a point of survival like the northern natives. more so a choice.

@@JewTube001 Well if a population were to get out of hand, they would die of starvation and disease, and the population would shrink severely. So she's trying to help them. And while the deer population could go without her, by killing a certain amount she's technically saving a lot.

Yeah the other vegans would probably be like "dude, youre the reason everyone hates us"

Yassss

Erin and Richard

@@mochs62512 that’s exactly how i feel

That's not vegan

I threw my PC(on my phone now)

Burns my Bambi shirt

@@arealisticbeautystandard8920 😂😂

rips off my Bambi Tattoo (what)

@@abhinavdevulapalli1648 sounds painful

For sure. People who go out to hunt or have a small farm appreciate their food and know the sacrifice that goes into procuring their meal.

idk i kinda expected this, id rather see meat eaters vs vegans but they would have to vet out the crazy vegans lol and pair up some meat eaters that are open to conversation and chainging their mind perhaps

I honestly felt like making it vegans vs hunters instead of vegans vs meat-eaters made it kind of lopsided. Being vegan is a lifestyle choice while being a hunter is a profession. I feel like the hunters are more likely to have much more knowledge in the economy of meat consumption and such than the vegans.

@@fuxksalot id call it a hobby, not a profession

@Kirill Obraztsov It seems it can be both. I've seen that there is professional hunting but if people do it without being a professional then it's a hobby in those cases.

Which is what more people on the internet need to figure out.

In India also it's cheaper to have a vegan/vegetarian diet rather than consuming meat.

Y también podria decirse lo mismo de las “alternativas”, mayormente fabricadas, es todo un privilegio. No hace falta que comamos cosas asi, mejor q comamos lo q venga de la tierra, frutas, vegetables etcétera. Entonces el veganismo en si no es un privilegio! Excusas no? Tenemos muchas hoy en dia

I didn’t even consider that! Good point honestly.

not sure why in the US vegetables / beans / fruits are expensive!!!!

In the most northern countries vegetables are harder to grow and less accessible so meat is a more viable option than a vegan diet

Exactly. Hunting doesn’t solve the problem, it’s just putting a temporary plaster on a core of the problem…

I can't blame people for not wanting bears, wolves and cayotes around. They're dangerous animals. Also, I live in an area where deer get on the road and cause a lot of damage to our cars. Some drivers get injured and even die. Imagine having to get an engine replaced or buying a new car because a deer decided to cross the road while you're driving on the highway. It sucks. Its not about "playing god", it's about safety. I'm open to hearing other solutions if you have any.

so you want to live around a lot of bears?

A lot of those predators were eliminated for the benefit of the cattle industry.

facts

There would be just screaming.

vegan teacher is hot

or freelee

As a vegan I don't approve

@@fatimaghailan6728 well good thing ur not the owner of this show

Thats so specific lmfao

She definitely would drop you and your friends off at the swimming no questions asked too 😂😂

I mean none of her rebuttals make any sense, but yeah she seems nice

haha! That's funny and I kinda like it! Thanks!

Then i wanne come over

Facts

it’s better to try to understand the other side instead of looking for easy confirmation that you have better ethics on a restless hard topic. Like the girl who said bambi’s mom deserved to live likely doesn’t bother understanding animal agriculture, ethical farming and how it can help animals and people live better and there’s a lot of vegans who just want to shut down that kind of knowledge and say to just go vegan even though it’s more of an ideology than a solution that everyone can follow. People in cities watch documentaries about sustainability but they don’t learn how to grow their own organic food they instead have it shipped from other places and they still have to know if their food is farmed by like child labor or if it’s really ethical for the environment. I used to be vegan but I realized I had no real farming experience outside of the city and it’s kind of hypocritical to see myself as an example of positive change and to convince others of my own blind beliefs. I was told when I was younger that burgers aren’t cows they’re just meat so I’d still eat them. Then I saw videos of cows being mistreated and male baby chicks shredded the guilt was heavy, I’d just tear up thinking all meat consumption was wrong. But after crying it’s important to understand the pain and what really changes afterwards. Crying for animals doesn’t prevent them from being slaughtered. Neither can being an aggressive proud vegan although we can all agree factory farming has bad energy and output. I don’t buy pork nor dairy but support ethical farming practices. I respect the work that’s put into providing food for people. What you want to eat is a personal choice maybe not really thought of while routinely grocery shopping for most so we should all have a broader perspective on this and I think it was a good video with both sides having a chance to speak and listen.

Heard of Erin?

@@kimtrails3093 What made you decide to stop being vegan? I don't understand why being vegan isn't better than not being vegan. A personal choice shouldn't involve victims if it can be avoided.

Not to start an argument here, but you say "most people can agree against hunting for sport" , however hunting is considered sport. Idk if around the world hunting isn't seen that way, but the way I know hunting is as a sport. That however does not mean that I'm referring to hunting lions, elephants or rhino's for example(trophy hunting). I'm also not talking about literally going into the wild and going hunting. I'm talking about hunting game, like gazelle's, on a game farm. That's how I know hunting, as a controlled sustainable way.

There’s been a few of them where a civil discussion and middle ground has been reached, like the graduates vs drop-outs, birth parents vs adoptees, virgin vs non-virgin, war veterans vs peace activists (unsurprisingly), online dating vs traditional dating and a few others I can’t recall.

I swear there's a comment like that on every middle ground ep

@@ayaalioua2378 I don’t know. On the majority of the MG series, most people don’t see the other’s side, especially the ones trenched in the political spectrum.

@@BonazaiGirl also religious leaders vs scientists. It was one of my fav episodes

@@BonazaiGirl The rival gangs one was very civil too

Yes, but it's surprising they couldn't find another hunter. I wonder why their recruitment team only chose two?

@@turtletail313 one person dropped out. They mentioned it at the start of the cideo

@@WePositivelyCharged ohh thank you, I don't know how I missed that lmao

Fr I was so afraid this would be another episode of vegans acting hysterical and ridiculing the cause

I disagree, I think all the vegans they brought in here did a terrible job of establishing their position as they did little to bring up ethical issues with hunting

yeah

eh they are short term vegans. Most people will not stay vegan because of health reasons I believe. From an ex long term vegan.

Yes they aren’t defensive and the stereotypical vegans that force their beliefs

@@samanthab6642 do you mean these ppl are short term vegans? I feel like these people are much more likely to be long term vegans than the ones from meat eaters v vegans because they're less dogmatic about it.

@@samanthab6642 I hope everybody goes vegan long term, I eat the same things with the same nutrients as I did before being vegan, I just make it plant based. Science has come a loooong way.

That's one of the differences they have from that vegan teacher

totally agree, i was watching the video and thinking the same thing(i'm vegetarian)

I bet they've never seen how animals die in the wild.

❤️❤️❤️

Thank you Jonathan!

@@misspursuit_tx A quick scan of your profile makes me assume you're Carly. If you are, I just want to tell you how happy your entire attitude made me. You were respectful and open minded and this is the type of conversations I want to see in Jubilee. Wish more people like you appeared on this channel.

They were all empathic and attentive

@@misspursuit_tx thank you for a great conversation! All the best

@@misspursuit_tx You made me view hunting in a completely different lens! Thank you

The blonde lady that said “I mean there just animals” that line was so fucked up

@@hafsa1903 I mean they were respectful to each other. The politics of meat and animal killing is the topic so that's hardly a surprising stance.

Felt p good all-around, IMO.

@@hafsa1903 Well humans are animals

Why do people value so much "being respectful" I know it is a valuable trait to have and is to a certain degree admirable but we should strive for the TRUTH not for being polite or what not.

Yeah

Yeah so bored (just kidding)

Oh except for the white woman saying people in China eat dogs and people in African villages are poor and need the tourism from hunters and poachers

Yes! They were awesome!

I came to comment the same thing!

True!!!

Thank you, Lauren!

the thumbnails are just to get views.

I agree that it can be extremely disheartening.

It's called clickbait

It’s mainstream media’s portrayal of veganism. Whereas all of the vegans I’ve met are kind, understanding, and patient, they are often met with extreme criticism and ignorance from meat eaters. I’ve had people straight up come up to me and my partner and tell us our nonexistent children will be weak just from us ordering food. The only difference is that I do not then stereotype all omnivores that way.

Sad that it’s always the obnoxious and rude vegans who are the loudest. I personally love vegan channels who encourage and teach how to be vegan more than ppl like the vegan teacher

Think about it this way- the most problematic people from any subculture are always the ones you hear most about. People living by example and minding their own are not the type of people making the news, uploading videos, being influencers, etc.

@@milliem9816 I'm a vegan and wasn't kind, understanding and patient during a big portion of being vegan! And I think this isn't an uncommon thing. I became vegan pretty young and was very, very passionate about my beliefs, so passionate that it won out over rational compassionate understanding for other people sometimes. Now I understand that not everyone sees the world through my lens and that a lot of people don't have the means, energy, time etc. to become vegan or change their purchasing habits to be more sustainable in any big way, even if they would like to. I think it's good to acknowledge that "annoying vegans" exist, but to be compassionate to them too, because many of them are probably just very passionate about their beliefs.

Every anti-oppression movement has face the same hurdles, veganism is no different, maybe spend time actually being a vegan and see for yourself

It was respectful because the Vegans were completely non-confrontational and apologetic about the animal abuse.

I think you’re on to something. I’ve hunted animals, cleaned their bodies, and eaten them. That level of intimacy makes you understand a being on a different level, and it’s part of why I’m vegan now.

@@vegetable_shredder9306 yup, you are exactly right. As a vegan, I cringe at their responses. They got "pick me vegans" in this video, not actual vegan activists.

@@joshwarrey3728 no, they were just respectful. I suspect it had more of a positive effect on a larger population in terms of considering veganism than what You would have done. Please stop doing disservice to all of us by “not being a pick me vegan” 🙄🙄🙄 Pick up a psychology book, educate yourself if you really want to help the cause out. Sincerely, a fellow vegan psychologist who is tired of entitled, judgemental and rude vegans who have forgotten their past. Both of those hunters were willing to listen and learn, why would you want to turn them off by shaming and guilt tripping them?

@@Imponderabilia995 do you think being apologetic in front of meaflakes is respectful to the billions of animals being killed every year?

From what part from africa are you if i may ask couse i got family is south Africa

Thank you!!!!

those are trophy collectors..not hunters..pretty sad the hunters lead em to these places..they arent hunters either

I always thought that hunting in Africa helps in the conversation of the environment and animals.

don’t think anyone could have said it better, well said!

YES! because at the end hunters and vegans have the same “enemy”

I have problems with the meat industry, for sure, but I also have problems with hunters who do it for sport, pleasure, or a feeling of dominance over animals. Also, unless you’re an excellent shot, shooting down an animal is not the most humane way of killing them.

How you know what most vegans think

@@RainWalking it's well known that many if not most vegans (me included) are accepting of hunting because it's the most sustainable and a way more ethical way of eating meat.

ALL ANIMALS ARE CONSCIOUS HUMANS ARE HERBIVORES ANIMAL PRODUCTS ARE ABUSE

I'm very interested on the indigenous topic. You as an Indian, do you think land should be taken back from people, and given back to A. Indians?

@@thenorthcarolinian6796 a lot of indigenous people do not like being called indian, native is a better term :)

@@nakia8014 Why should I care? I wouldn't care if someone calls my parents "immigrants". What if I prefer the term "non-natively born individual"? I don't give a dump.

@@thenorthcarolinian6796 because it’s disrespectful?

@@nakia8014 lol I don't care

Nina🙄

Bambi’s mom doesn’t exist x2

We all know what she meant though…

@@lostchanceman Double homicide

That was the stupidest question of the video lmaoo

the bigger issue you should say... doesn't mean hunting isn't an issue

"Hunting ethically", what a complete oxymoron. These people do not have to hunt to survive at all, with all their effort and choice they seem to have they're doing to make sure they murder innocent non-human animals is very repulsive and they could sure use that same effort to very much sustain themselves without innocent victims being involved, (Which they do not do :)). Therefore there is nothing to "see" through people who couldn't care less about the lives they unnecessarily take, and one of who just uses descriptions of "forming a relationship" or "bond" with her murdered corpse... Perhaps we should be strongly encouraging the opposite and not appeasing to this type of violence, wouldn't you agree?

@@lerapol Hmm.... Seems like you should grab a dictionary. Killing an animal is not murder, and it can never be. It's disrespectful to say that killing an animal is murder when murder only applies to humans killing other humans. And since you think that you have no right to call someone else a moron. -.-

@Vegan Babie I.... Never said that. A human killing an animal for food is different from a human killing another human with evil intent...;-;

@@gunforall6247 the definition of "murder" as you like to claim, does not only mean the killing of a member of the human species... that is just one of the definitions that you seem to have chosen. Many dictionaries (such as Merriam Webster) also state "to slaughter wantonly" or "to put an end to" with the intent to slaughter etc. So it very much can also apply to conscious beings. And offensive to who? If they're offended at what's happening to animals, then I absolutely would be extremely offended with them. Though offense alone isn't enough to justify something, now is it?

yeah I wish we would've heard more from her, Carly was always so quick to get in the conversation! Not that what she was saying wasn't interesting but, you know..

You know, I was born in the United States. That makes me indigenous too.

@@donmiller2908 haw haw haw funny guy

@@nathanpeck2817 @Nathan Peck - I wasn't trying to be funny, I was making a point. Instead of going along with the herd I try and think for myself. Because someone calls a group indigenous and insinuates they are somehow special doesn't mean it's true. In the dictionary I use, indigenous means "relating to or being a people who are the original, earliest known inhabitants of a region" So where did people originally come from? Based on archaeological and anthropological evidence, scientists have established that hominids diverged from other primates somewhere between 2.5 and 4 million years ago in eastern and southern Africa. So Africans are indigenous, everyone else are merely migrants.

In Canada we call them First Nations…you know cause First.

Exactly!

Definitely should be "Conspirasea"

I doubt someone from those industries would ever debate. At the end it’s an industry, they do it for money.

Seaspiracy made me cry :(

Both cowpiracy and seapiracy have been criticised by scientists (including those whose data was used in these movies) for containing a lot of misinformation and bias. But I agree with the point of your comment

I was thinking the same thing, definitely a nice change from the more rigid groups in other conversations. It's amazing that actual communication is now surprising 😅

WHO IS ERIN?

@@damarisespiritu6440 watch odd man out vegan edition

fr 😭

@@sumukhshirodker I just watched it for a hundred times cause of Erin haha 😂

I feel you. Here in Palestine, we have that in a differently twisted way.

hi! i just wanna say i think your content is fire :D (im from the Philippines too :P)

@@zionzion2984 aww, thanks!

@@krispy_rice9044 I'm sorry your people have to got through that too. but I'm curious, how so?

Yea that’s why we have guns if your not willing to die for it then it’s not important

Agreed i'm the same kind of hunter as that blonde lady (i didnt read the names at the beginning and im too lazy to go back lol)

The Vegans in this video were apologetic animal abuser sympathizers. Virtually everything Brittany said is against what veganism is about.

@@vegetable_shredder9306 or they were just being reasonable respectful people

because the middle ground in this video is that both have beliefs when it comes to what they eat

@@vegetable_shredder9306 Honestly, I was getting annoyed by this video too. Most arguments for veganism (or in this case justifying hunting) come from an anthropocentrism lens. Plus.... it made it seem like franchises like bass pro shops don't massively profit off animal abuse.

The reason vegan teacher is so famous is because anti-vegans make videos about her and spread them to their followers. People hostile to veganism pick the crazies to talk about because they’re trying to discredit veganism as a movement.

@@doingsomethingdifferentnow3705 horrific, inhuman practices are industry standard. The main way of stunning pigs in this country is lowering them terrified into a gas chamber. Pigs are as clever as young children. Male chicks are killed at birth in the egg industry, just as male cows are shot in the head a few days after birth because they don’t produce milk.

@@doingsomethingdifferentnow3705 bro, did you know that it’s illegal to film inside a factory farm? It’s to protect the meat and dairy industry because the standard practices are horrific.

@@doingsomethingdifferentnow3705 they’re taken illegally lol. Robbery is illegal yet I have seen footage of robbery 🙄

@@doingsomethingdifferentnow3705 you can do whatever you want with your food and believe whatever you want to, I wouldn’t argue with a rigid point of view. What I was trying to do was back up the previous responder by pointing out that the animal abuse is standard practice and that annoying vegans are usually not. Unless you’re speaking to teenagers in which case a lot of teenagers tend to be loudly opinionated about most things that they believe in. Most real world vegan adults in general tend to be respectful. Ig if you want to believe that humans and animals are not the same then more power to you. We do belong to the kingdom animalia tho if that matters any