Is Eternal Security (OSAS) the Same Thing As Calvinism’s Perseverance of the Saints (POTS)? 

He repented of his sins, then the Father said he was dead and is now alive.

@@2Chronicles714_ Yes, because we are reborn through Him as he forgives our sins. And yes, we *_will_* commit more sins after being converted while we are still alive in mortal flesh.

Ive always rejected OSAS since I was a teen. I think 'theology' sets up a straw man. This is my understanding as of today. The Lord said you shall know them by their fruits. John the Baptist told the soldiers to repent and bear fruits in keeping of repentance (Luke 3:8). Jesus spoke of four types of hearts (Matthew 13). The good soil heart won't lose their free gift of salvation because of faith in Christ. They have borne fruit in keeping of repentance. Not that they earned it. But because they know the Lord and responded to the Word in obedience, and entered through the narrow door. Everyone else, the seeds that fell on stony places, among thorns, etc. are those who were unworthy for the age to come and the resurrection. For they suffered shipwreck of the faith and have fallen from grace for whatever reason (1 Tim 1:19, Gal 5:4) . They may have had an initial positive response, tasted of the heavenly gift, but for whatever reason, they were choked out by the thorns, the devil snatched the seed, or the sun scorched the Word and they had to root. But in all cases, no one lost salvation. They never had it in a sense because only true believers are sealed for the day of redemption (Eph 1:13). Wheat amond tares (Mat 13:34). And salvation is yet future (Rom 8:23). But true believers do have it, because the promises of God are Yes and Amen and Salvation means to Know God (John 17:3), which is in the present. That's why Jesus said to 'Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able' Luke 13:24 If someone wants to know if they truly know God, well then....1 John.

AGREED!

@jevitadowell403 yeah, Calvinists don't like the OSAS label, but it's basically what they believe.

@jeanroberts70 I'm only responding now because I didn't notice your reply earlier. I think you're explaining it very well. It does make sense.

Perseverance of the saints puts the responsibility on the PERSON. Eternal Security puts the responsibility on the SAVIOR. They are most definitely NOT the same. One person is WORKING for their salvation, while the other person is trusting in Jesus ALONE to keep them saved, since he is the one who does the saving anyway.

Yes & Amen ! ✝️ We have to abide in Christ/walk by the spirit!

Adding on to my previous comment... note:..."...no longer remains a sacrifice". So if you choose to disobey God free-willingly...., there no longer mains a sacrifice left for you (Jesus'blood would not cover you on Judgement day) at this state of your life , also known as "drifted away or fallen back or fallen away". In this state you are NOT under God's grace....the Spirit of grace has left you since you disobeyed God willfully.

That is absolutely false. “No longer a sacrifice for sins” means that Jesus WILL NOT come back and die on the cross again. He only had to die ONCE to pay for ALL the sins of mankind. Context is key. That passage was a warning to Jewish BELIEVERS to not fall back into animal sacrifices to pay for their sins, and trust in the ONE sacrifice that Jesus made. And if they sinned willfully by going back to animal sacrifices they should look for the severe chastisement from the Lord (fiery indignation.) This doesn’t mean they are going to Hell if they willfully sin. They will receive temporal punishment here on earth, but they will be saved forever.

WRONG You and Christ become one with the Holy Spirit. Therefore you cannot sin no more in the spiritual sense. Physically you will sin.

Ephesians 1:13 sealed means sealed

@@freegraceforum-hg7iw You're one with Christ IF (CONDITIONAL conjunction, setting forth the CONDITION that MUST be met - TO BELIEVE) you believe (the command is set in the Perfect Present Tense, meaning, it's an ongoing ever present command John 6: 28-29, 1 John 2: 20-24) IF you abide in Him through FAITH. IF you do not, you're not one with Him, nor of Him, nor in Him, nor He in you. He will not stay where is not wanted. There will be none of the unbelieving in the new creation.

@@fightingwithtruth1698 "Sealed" means "approved" as by a royal seal. "Approved" for use at the masters table, as an example. How are we approved? Through faith. PERIOD.

@@fullfrontalgrace the verse says that you were sealed with the Holy Spirit the moment that you believed until the day of redemption for the purchase possession yes that would imply that we can sit at the Lord's table that would match up with the unrighteous shall not stand in the Assembly of the righteous but once you're sealed and redeemed you can't lose salvation I absolutely believe in faith alone the thief in the cross made it to Paradise by faith alone if any of us make it to Heaven it will be by Jesus Christ imputed righteousness not by any works of the flesh Galatians 3:3. Once we have the holy spirit he will never leave nor forsake us which backs up ephesians 1:13. That verse implies how we are saved period

u nailed it in less words than i.

Sooo, you’re saying sin is greater than the grace of God? Preposterous. Salvation is a ONE TIME EVENT. Salvation is attained upon the nanosecond of belief in Jesus Christ as the payment for your sins. It is not dependent on how we live our lives afterwards. How we live our lives is WORKS. And we’re not saved by works.