Is Islam Too Harsh on Those Who Leave the Faith? | Jack Lundy asks Dr. Shabir Ally 

how this guy make such a story! who naratted this version of islam to sabir ali, he never provides any refernece. The statement he said is early age of ismam/quran, when mohammad was not in power. But actual harse or cruel verses came when mohammad was in power.

The problem is that people have preconceived opinions on various issues and they research religion selectively to prove their opinions. That is why we find the opinion of religion changes according to the social, political and cultural system

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

@@davidcharlton5552 The Islam was gone through difficult times and Muslims are commanded to defend Muslims. If you want I can quote for you many Quranic verses and hadiths of the Prophet in the context of war, so you can write them in your comments every where on social media. If you don't like that about Islam, sorry to say that is your own problem. Qur’an says, "whoever wants, let him believe, and whoever wants, let him disbelieve". Also, Muslims have developed methodologies for extracting rulings from the Qur’an and Sunnah which difficult for you to comprehend. Furthermore, if you want to judge the history of Muslims and the Muslims' states, yes there were bad things that cannot be justified, but in general they had not reached the level of the badness of the Inquisition and the heresy carried out by the Church in Spain. All that has been said, Freedom of religion is well established in Quran

@@davidcharlton5552 don't believe in what comforts you. All hadith and narratives which stand against Qur'an is wrong. Only divine book is Qur'an. All other written by humans.

@@davidcharlton5552 the quran always supersedes hadiths

Nonmuslims should definitely reject Islamic books in return & take notice of the behavior of Muslims

True, that was postulated by alkhatib albaghdadi one of the huge scholars of hadith in the 4 th century hijri. He said that a singularly transmitted tradition (in contrast with mutawatir) is rejected with some reasons one of them if it reject the ckear unumbiguous quranic discourse.

THIS Man will spend more energy on Christians than spend spending more energy on Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Malaysia, Sudan , Iran , Indonesia etc where Apostates are being killed everyday for the sake of Allah, he will never go to them and campaign about killing of Apostates. This man is not sincere with truth, this surah is talking about two different communities, and the other community led astray by Allah should be killed whenever they are found surah 4 : 88-89. 88) So, what is it with you that you are two communities regarding the hypocrites, and Allah has cast them back for what they earned? Would you (like) to guide him whom Allah has led into error? And whomever Allah leads into error, then you will never find for him a way. 89) They would like you to disbelieve as they have disbelieved; then you would be equal. So do not take for yourselves patrons from them until they emigrate in the way of Allah. Yet in case they turn away, then take them and kill them where you find them; and do not take to yourselves from among them a constant patron or a ready vindicator. - Dr. Ghali

But how do you discard it if it's an authentic hadith? Doesn't that mean you have a direct contradiction that you have to somehow resolve? You can't just resolve it by ignoring on part. Also, it doesn't really make sense for it to be a contradiction anyway because for the punishment for apostasy to be considered compulsion, it must mean that fear of being put to death will prevent you from losing your belief that Islam is true, and that's just not how that works.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

Thank you and I appreciate what you liberal Muslims are doing but as the commenter above me posted. Their is clear incontrovertible evidence that apostasy is punishable by death. You guys have to do too much gymnastics to prove otherwise. The fundamentalist are right on this one.

I mean if that was the case then how come there isn’t a single Hadith with that explanation. Liberal Muslims always have to use their imagination to change the interpretation. I applaud them for the effort to make Islam more palatable to the western world.

@@davidcharlton5552 it was written in arabic, check the translation. a hadith cannot be more authoritative over the quran. quran clearly explain there is no compulsion in religion. while hadith reports can be genuine or fake.

@@davidcharlton5552 If you give this hadith literall meaning well that means the man who changed Christianity to Judaism should also be killed. Because it is saying that who changed his religion not who changes Islam to other religion. But nobody gives that literal meaning to hadith. Which means you also give an interpretation

And yet Saudi and west still super friendly with each other due to oil ?

@@MeemKhaMeemDhal--khaYaRaWawNun what’s your point ?

I believe (based on the available Hadith) that the term “apostate” was defined as someone who betrayed the Muslims, waged war on Allah and the prophet, and also left Islam.

@@DBUification yea, same

regardless of how we choose to define 'apostate'', the fact is that this verse was revealed when said ''apostates'' waged war on Muslims, and this allowed Muslims to fight back. It was never about innocent, civilians and whether or not they sin in privacy or in public or how they sin.

how this guy make such a story! who naratted this version of islam to sabir ali, he never provides any refernece. The statement he said is early age of ismam/quran, when mohammad was not in power. But actual harse or cruel verses came when mohammad was in power.

Like ?

All 4 Sunni madhab, maliki hanbali etc agree on it and have extensive narratives to justify that. Perhaps you are referring to contemporary scholars? Even during the ottoman empire it was implemented.

They disagree with Apostate law and will spend more energy on Christians than spend spending more energy on Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Malaysia, Sudan , Iran , Indonesia etc where Apostates are being killed everyday for the sake of Allah, he will never go to them and campaign about killing of Apostates. This man is not sincere with truth, this surah is talking about two different communities, and the other community led astray by Allah should be killed whenever they are found surah 4 : 88-89. 88) So, what is it with you that you are two communities regarding the hypocrites, and Allah has cast them back for what they earned? Would you (like) to guide him whom Allah has led into error? And whomever Allah leads into error, then you will never find for him a way. 89) They would like you to disbelieve as they have disbelieved; then you would be equal. So do not take for yourselves patrons from them until they emigrate in the way of Allah. Yet in case they turn away, then take them and kill them where you find them; and do not take to yourselves from among them a constant patron or a ready vindicator. - Dr. Ghali

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

I believe Dr. Shabir mentioned about this hadith already in his explanation ... There was e.g. Ubaidillah ibn Jahsh who embraced Christianity post hijra and he was allowed to live peacefully.

@@Simarodra one example doesn't negate the word of Muhammad does it?

@@davidcharlton5552 there are other names and some unnamed persons from sahih hadith and athar, but of course, if you have decided that they must be killed (despite Dr. Shabir explanation of your quoted hadith), then I leave you in peace with your decision 🙂

@@Simarodra yeah

The Qur’an supersedes what came before it.

Al Ma’idah 48: “And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and superseding it. So judge between them according to what Allah revealed, and do not follow their desires--“

@@sabriwasalah Not a good commentary. See my note below on you next comment.

@@sabriwasalah The translation in The Study Quran (HarperOne 2017) gives a different understanding to yours. Here is the Surah 5:48 " And We have sent down unto thee the Book in truth, confirming the Book that came before it, and as a protector over it. So judge between them in accordance with what God has set down, and follow not their caprices away from the truth that has come unto thee. .......................................... ". I am finding The Study Quran - once reviewed by Shabir Ally very helpful.

@@Chandransingham here are a few more translations: “We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.” - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

@@davidcharlton5552 bruh have you seen the video

@@mazharkhan2310 I don't think so.

Yh it's your choice n quran forbids to kill kafirs unless they attack them and allah says in quran to treat justly with kafirs those who don't harm muslims (to treat them as they treat u) but if u become non Muslim or follow something which contradicts with old testament or veda than Allah will drag u to hell n punish in judgement day!

@@asif982 Allah Doesn’t Exist stop believing in a Pedophiles dream of 72 8 year old virgins Islam does not Exist in the Real World! If Allah was Real Do You really think I would defy him? Even if he is a Cruel Tyrant I would’ve Obeyed his Vile Creepy whims

@@asif982 there's no god no jahannam no judgement day nothing happens

@@shivammore9502 thats in peoples perception not in reality. Reality and truth is different from perception. In semestic religion through prophets there is 100 % proof of god and judgment day. Infront of 3 semestic religion WITH proof, one non semestic religion is nothing where people live in perception and philosophy. One must ask deeply to oneself how he came in existence and why things are systematic.

@@asif982 😂 science is backed by citations calculated proofs unlike random statements of any prophet or god . There's no proof science has given lot more to humanity than combine all religions . Nowadays religions want themselves to be associated with science 😂 that's shows all .

The Quran is shorter and more precise than other books, and the whole Quran is important (WORDS FROM GOD)

Maintain with care the [obligatory] prayers and [in particular] the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient. -- al-Baqara 2:238 And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember. -- Hud 11:114 O you who have believed, let those whom your right hands possess and those who have not [yet] reached puberty among you ask permission of you [before entering] at three times: before the dawn prayer and when you put aside your clothing [for rest] at noon and after the night prayer. [These are] three times of privacy for you. There is no blame upon you nor upon them beyond these [periods], for they continually circulate among you - some of you, among others. Thus does Allah make clear to you the verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise. -- an-Nur 24:58 Verse 1 tells us that there is a middle prayer which means there are at least 3 prayers and doesn't mention the exact number of prayers. Verse 2 tells us that during daylight (the time gap between fajr and maghrib) we have 2 prayers (duhr and a'sr) and one when the night approaches (al-Maghrib) (see also this Fatwa): With (only) this information it's still possible that we only have 3 prayers, but Verse 3 which teaches us about the resting times mention clearly the fajr/sobh prayer and the I'sha prayer as the fajr itself is a not mentioned time in the 2 Verses before we find out we really have 5 prayers mentioned in the Quran!

You could have easily got the answer on internet

@@shoaib8212 absolutely correct JazakAllah Khairan

The references brother? I want to read them

I am not sure about Ibn Al Qayyim but the others did hold various opinions on the punishment of the murtad (apostate) .

Bad health can cause all sorts of issues, make sure you are doing what you can to fix it.

@@MASSAM9669 hey I hope you healthy both mentally and physically tbh i don't think i am things just seems to getting worse for me mood wings like crazy a moment i am thinking about something other moment thinking something else question every little things that doesn't make sense and when i get the answer then questioning those answers so on and so on getting angry for no reason getting annoyed alot like i don't know how to explain even the the little things triggered to become angry and feel annoyed a moment i am crying and another moment i am laughing for no reasons

brother, never give up. Read and watch quran videos and try to understand it. There is great wisdom in it. Furthermore, I would recommend to go outside for a walk and fresh air, and to exercise if possible. You will feel better. Never give up, ask Allah for help. And dont forget that this life is a test. For every struggle you will overcome patiently you will have a reward. Try to give charity it will boost your morale as well. Try to replace your sins for good things, this last thing is easier said than done. Try to get your happiness out of good things, like laughing, exercise, learn new things, hang out with good people, and help others. Believe me, there is great wisdom in the Quran which can boost your moral. Make sure you read the translation of the text as well. And whenever you are not certain of the meaning, look for it.

God is all knowing, was Jesus all knowing ❓ But of that day & that hour knoweth no man, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son, but the Father ( Mark 13:32 ) ( The fact that Jesus does not know the future proves he is not God,plus this fact exposes the trinity by proving Jesus, God & the holy spirit are not One ) Jesus Exposes Christianity 👉🏻Jesus said why do you call me Good?” “No one Is good except God alone ( Luke 18 :19 ) If Jesus is God & God is One, who was Jesus calling God ❓ Was Jesus talking to himself ❓ Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ``My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27 : 46 )

@@minizeref6245 @mini zeref hi brother...I believe that you are taking every problem that you find or listen to seriously or even make it personal. This is really affecting you in your mind. Sadly we don't live in the perfect world we will like to be, but you can try this to began with...#1 definitely pray, ask Allah for guidance, happiness and to remove this burden from you. #2 try to do something good, something that will fill your heart with happiness...but remember something good, #3 try little by little to do bad things...I know it is hard but i believe in you. Finally #4 has mentioned before don't argue with the unperrfect world, just enjoy life to the fullest...so if you find this difficult think that I'll also do all of this things, so I am there with you..I am sure you will feel bettersoon .Inshallah

Hadith can't abrogates Quran. Hadith is fabricated if it's against Quran.

@@Astaqfirullah9 I don't think all hadiths are fabricated. But some, even though are rated authentic, are obviously against Qur'an and resulullah saws...

@@NedimTabakovic Hadiths cannot abrogate the Qur'an; the Apostle cannot abrogate God.

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

@@davidcharlton5552 See that is problematic...

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

@@davidcharlton5552 I'm very well aware of that, so what is your point?

@@capnanaya4642 The point is that it's as clear as daylight that In Islam apostates are to be killed and Shabir is just trying desperately to come up with a way to reinterpret that.

@@squarecircle2347 I wonder if people understand English or not. In no way I have agreed to Shabirs point, but rather have provided evidence against that.

"Quran [4:137] Surely, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe, then disbelieve, then plunge deeper into disbelief, GOD will not forgive them, nor will He guide them in any way." According to this verse, he should not be killed, Nowhere in the Quran is it written that those who leave Islam must be killed.

"Quran [4:137] Surely, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe, then disbelieve, then plunge deeper into disbelief, GOD will not forgive them, nor will He guide them in any way." According to this verse, he should not be killed, Nowhere in the Quran is it written that those who leave Islam must be killed.

So you left Islam? Why?

@@ibrahimalmuzani9284 Why not?

@@easyguy625 u do know that advanced Quran miracles hidden away from most people DO exists right ? it's true !! Even if Elon Musk is to offer me 1 billion dollar now just to leave Islam, I will still not do it !

Ridda wars ..they were more about quashing rebellions and misinformation than apostasy really. Islam was the uniting force behind The Rashidun Caliphate.

@@jamieammar6131 Doesn't that violate "no compulsion in religion" nonetheless? Some of the greatest spread of Islam happened during the Rashidun Caliphate who engaged in war with its neighbors.

@@nejiskafir8198 Islam promotes SELF-DEFENSE, and PROHIBITS AGRESSION except freeing oppressed people.

@@nejiskafir8198 Well no one ever says that Islam spread peacefully. It needed to be spread through war and violence and conquest to be a rival of Christianity, and the Roman Empire. At least the violence was kept minimal in the beginning. That's how things were done in the medieval times I guess.

@@jamieammar6131 Hahahaha. I guess you just threw your Quran away and its claim that "There is no compulsion in religion".

both during the time of the prophet. so the muslims were called believers and the enemy are called disbelievers. and now in our time those ruling can be mixed up interpreting the ruling for military to religion. so we should be careful and let our scholars to deal with it and let them explain it to us so that we will not fall to the misleading accusations of the enemies of islam. there are muslim preachers who can explain such verses of the quran that say "kill them wherever you find them". the enemies of islam like to quote this verse to support their claim that islam promote killing the disbelievers. but without the proper context some might believe.

Yes, they did. The pagan Makkans believed in Allah, but they worshiped Him along with others, such as their carved idols, gods they made up, and some worshiped angels, or jinn. They also made up laws, saying that Allah had prohibited this or that, when He really had not.

Isa ibn Maryam (pbuh) also know as Jesus son of Mary is the second last and one of the most important prophets of Islam. So the people Who followed the Religion of Ibrahim and The religion of Musa (A.s) was at Right path. Also the Prophet(S.A.W.W) followed the religion of Ibrahim.before the announcement of his Prophethood and The Teachings of Musa (A.s) was for Bani Israel becauze he was send for Bani Israel. So the people Who followed Hanif deen Of Ibrahim or the teachings of Musa was at right Place.

@@hamzasheikh4588 this no where answers my question

@@ovaiszohan3766 yes.

@@imanf3882 how?.. It was prophet Muhammad who taught us how and what to pray...

Read about Islam Ahmadiyya, we condemn this rubb*is 100%

@@black_immigrant_thrive Yeah, personally i don't have any issue with Ahmadiya. But you are kind of Mormon for Islam, hahah.

That's not true. There are multiple sahih hadiths confirming that you are to be put to death if you leave Islam.

Yeah pretty much. The Quran is the only holy book in islam if a hadith contradicts it then the hadith is wrong, not the other way around.

Hadith were written by men

Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Sahih Bukhari 84:64-65 - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.' Sahih Bukhari 52:260 - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

@@rithikas7879 You completely took that verse out of context. The verse is in the context of war as explained in the very next verse which you conveniently left out. Quran 4:90 "Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, he could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them."

How is leaving Islam by any means comparable to treason?

@@squarecircle2347 so you didn't watch the video....

@@iniminimaynimo Does he explain it in the video? Timestamp?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061- "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'" Grade: Sahih

@@davidcharlton5552 Thank you

@@davidcharlton5552That’s the real truth!

There’s about 50 Muslim countries in the world. How about the 37 countries which don’t have the death penalty for apostasy?

@@Nazam44 Because they have governments based on a sort of democracy. Who would of thought Maldives, a very popular holiday destination for Westerners, has death penaly for apostasy? If anything this is more proof a lot islam is made up

Very sorry to hear your difficulties Jack. There is a narration attributed to the Prophet where he said the Pen is lifted on 3, a child until he reaches adulthood ,a person who is asleep untill he awakes, and a man who has lost his normal state of mind until he regains his full mental faculties. Beyond this We all have ups and downs in our level of practice the doors of mercy are always open so we must never despair.

@@truesay786 Thanks. I guess I'm more in a gray area. I still believe in Allah but following and practicing Islam has completely stopped. Hearing from ones in the Ummah itself that "Your disabilities are just curses from Allah" and "You're just to ret@$%ed to understand and learn." did a lot of damage. May Allah have mercy on them. Last thing a person with Autism and Schizo like is being told they're rt@rded.

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NO THEY DONT HAVE TO LEAVE

According to Quran verses, such as 18:29, 2:256, and 109:6, it absolutely clear that Allah gave people freewill to accept/reject Islam.

👉People leave Islam emotionally, not intellectually.

YES YOUR TELLING SOMETHING TRUE CUS ISLAM IS A REALLIGION FREE FOR ALL

Yes this a hadith but there are dozens of others which must all be interpreted.

So David Charlton changed his name?

Well do you think you take this hadith literally? Then why does it doesn't mean to kill those who transferred to Judaism from Christianity? Because it say whoever changes religion not particularly Islam.. See that's why schoolers take all hadith and Quran and look for the context. by saying Shabbir is adding up you are adding up by yourself.

Thanks for your views on islam. You are an honest muslim that can answer the question Dr. Shabir Ally couldn't answer. And just maybe more people will leave islam after your comment.

@@yonishassan7544 It has been proven that Intellectual people don't leave Islam. 👉Prove me wrong if you can rationally.

@@yonishassan7544 He ain’t honest. He has no clue what he’s talking about. If you leave the religion, that’s your choice. As for the afterlife, God knows best.

@@Astaqfirullah9 There are some intellectuals who have left Islam, Im going to name a few but you're not going to like them. Ridvan Aydemir, Aayan Hirsi Ali and the late Nabeel Qureshi(may he rest in peace).

What do you mean ? You support death for apostasy ?

I can confirm he does supports death for apostasy.

@@jamieammar6131 Bible says murder apostates and other disbelievers (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

@@yonishassan7544 Quran 2:256 says "There's NO compulsion in religion."

@@Astaqfirullah9 What does it matter what the Bible says ? If you are talking about Christianity, well, no one follows the laws of the Old Testament. If you mean Judaism, Rabbinical Judaism don't follow the extreme verses. Neither do they stone people anymore.

People who follow the wisdom of the Quran are submitters but following any other book as the divine word of God such as Bukary is polytheism.

@@thehourglassfan3515 You are absolutely right. "In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" Hadith and Sunnah: Satan's plot and trick. (22:52_54 Pilgrimage) Verses related to the invalidity of the hadith: The Quran is All We Need. [12: 111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe. [31: 6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of "GOD the King of the world" without knowledge and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. Which Hadith? [45: 6] These are "GOD’s the Wisest" revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than "GOD the Only" and "His Majesty's" revelations do they believe? Pure praise to "God the King of the Resurrection"

@@kouroshmemari2450 Yeah, the speech of God is what must be followed, nothing else.

18:29 The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills, let him believe, and whoever wills, let him disbelieve. Hadith is fake if it's against Quran.

@@Astaqfirullah9 Exactly.

If you want direct answer : Quran : 2:256 : There can be NO COMPULSION in religion THERE ! I gave you BOTH the chapter and verse number tooo !! Maybe you are going to 'dance' your way out of here too now.

@@MeemKhaMeemDhal--khaYaRaWawNun ill stick to Christianity at least if you talk about our prophets a death sentence won't be put on you by religious leaders Jesus showed us the way of peace and humility and let his followers know they will hate you because they hate him first

@@melvinpervis6678 Christianity enjoys life too much ! See all the millionaire actors and sportsmens. They enjoy life too much. Life on Earth is like a heaven to them. It does not make sense. Some people are born super ugly. Some are born totally handicapped. BLIND ! In Islam, Life on earth must be total test and hardship first. ONLY then it is fair to enjoy last ! In Islam we fast more, pray more and need to donate more too.....But of course we can still enjoy earthly abit too. But we still have to pray too and fast, little way too much than most if not all other religion. At least 30 to 40 min of our daily life must go to praying and remembrance of God too. Islam and Quran has countless superb miracles which I am researching myself right now. This are all no ordinary miracles. They are all straight to the point !

​@@MeemKhaMeemDhal--khaYaRaWawNun Surah 9:29-30 commands Muslims to compel Jews and Christians to convert to Islam. Therefore Surah 2:256 is abrogated.

"Quran [4:137] Surely, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe, then disbelieve, then plunge deeper into disbelief, GOD will not forgive them, nor will He guide them in any way." According to this verse, he should not be killed, Nowhere in the Quran is it written that those who leave Islam must be killed.