Find out if Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon had found a cave? Or did they go off the trail? Watch this episode and find out. Full video of El Pianista Boquete Chiriquí (These Are My Friends) • El Pianista Boquete Ch...
Kris has her arms behind her back, maybe even tied. I don't think that Kris has her hand on her ear, but "both" arms behind her back!!! In any case, the fact is, it wasn't an accident! It was murder! I feel sorry for anyone who still believes an accident or that they fell off a monkey bridge! There are so many signs of foul play that even an idiot can see it was murder! 😤
@@DaveyMulholland Nope, only her right arm can be viewable. She puts it on the back of her neck. She probably holds her left hand in the same way, so it’s not visible. Maybe the attacker instructed her to go that way and he took the picture. She might have been tied up, but she might just have put her hand on her neck. It could also be that Kris fled and just looked back to see if she was still being followed. In this case, Kris put her hand to her ear to hear the footsteps better. But by then, his pursuer had gotten there and immediately took the picture.
Henri (felicianos son) and Edwin his Gang boss killed both girls.The girls were intercepted by Henri and the Bandilla gang brought them to a house and murdered them as they refused to have sex with them. They were buried and the some bones were scattered when it became clear that people were asking a lot of questions in the town. The Bandilla did the nightime pictures to make it look like the girls were delirious and lost. New witnesses have emerged in 2022 and 2023 and have revealed the truth.This case needs reopened. Forensic analysis need to be done of these houses they were killed in.
There was no accidents in this case. They could have easily walked back, and would have before dark, but they were obviously abducted. After the abduction during the day, the pictures were taken by one or more of the abductors. The bodies were dismembered and destroyed to silence the girls' eyewitness testimony of who abducted and raped them. There was no reason to kill them except to cover up their crime, and that's what they did. They left items around perhaps to make it look like an accident or something else. The taxi driver who dropped off the girls was apparently murdered later on. He evidently knew too much having known or seen the men who were in the taxi at that time, and who could have followed the girls. The tour guide had a hand in some of this because he just happened to know where body parts were. He was going to be their tour guide, but the girls canceled. He could have alerted gang members of the girls' plans of the hike. A woman on a previous hike with this guide said he was touching inappropriately and mentioned cutting off her legs for some reason or as a joke. He was in on the murders or knows who did it. The Netherlands should keep investigating and everyone familiar with this case. May God bring justice upon the monsters who did this sooner than later.
@Ed Aguirre: About your statement, I'll only say one thing: Absolutely correct, I agree with you 100% on every point !!! 👍 I wrote almost the same text, in another Video, as you wrote it here !!! I personally am that Opinion that the girls were kidnapped, raped, dismembered and buried! The girls died on the same day, at the latest the day after! The back of Kris' head, the hair does not match the back of the head .. The hair runs from bottom to top, by then Kris was already dead! The night photos, they weren't taken by the girls either, they were the kidnappers to set the wrong track as to the time of death. The "Feliciano" travel guide, he knows more! I don't think it was him alone, but he knows who it was! The bones weren't distributed by animals, they were scattered by the killers! Also the clothes and the backpack! It wasn't an accident, the girls didn't fall from a monkey bridge, nor did they get lost! Maybe even Miriam (hostel owner) knew about it! The fact is, they stepped into a huge pile of shit and couldn't get out! I don't want to know what the girls had to experience, what fear both of them were! Maybe one girl had to watch the other die ... Terrible! The case is closed, I know ... and unfortunately the killers got away, Feliciano too! I hope the karma still punishes the killer!!! Sorry for my bad English, I'm from Germany and don't speak perfect English! But I'm trying! 😉
@@vanilleorchidee6626 tienes toda la razon, a ellas las asesinaron vilmente y sus organos fueron vendidos traficados, y el guia feliciano fue el que las vendio a sus victimarios, y mas gente del lugar sabe lo que sucedio ,hay una red criminal en esa zona y el gobierno encubrio el caso y las evidencias porque esto afectaria de manera fatal a su economia turistica, la pelvis de kris estaba totalmente blanqueada por quimicos,y el pie de lisanne estaba cercenado con bisturi completamente limpio el corte, eso indica que gente profesional las mato , si fuera sido accidente se fueran encontrado los huesos mas grandes y si fueran sido animales los huesos estarian con mordeduras y rasguños ademas que de que su ropa no aparecio por ningun lado solo el short de kris que estaba doblado en una roca..... ellas fueron asesinas . que en paz descansen y espero se haga justicia y paguen los culpables de este macabro hecho!
Ed, what do you have to prove this beyond your feelings? People that have put a lot more work into solving this case believe the young women were incapacitated possibly by a fall, and that nature and the river spread their remains.
Impossible,that hiking trail is pretty straight forward, they never could've got lost, they could've easily turned around, the foot looks like it was cleanely chopped off,bleached bones, why was kremer bones bleached,investigators did mentioned, the possibile use of lime was acknowledged, it would rather take weeks & even months 4 thorough bleaching,some other bones skin on, which contradicts the natural bleaching theory, no trauma to the bones,or skin, to indicate an animal attack, the bag was in an immaculate, perfect condition, even though it was raining, I've checked & listened to a couple of other theories it's clear,all necessary investigations points towards foul play,so obvious🤔
They were not abducted. They willingly went with some guy they met at the top, who offered to take them to a nearby waterfall..... they went willingly, and then realised too late they had made a big mistake to trust this guy. Too late. They played along for seven days, pretending not to think he's creepy, playing along with his games, while trying to phone emergency numbers surreptitiously.
For some reason, I just cannot put this case down. Whatever happened to these two young women, it was over an extended period of time, and in a place where they were completely unfamiliar. Lost or taken, both are absolutely terrifying, and I just can't seem to commit to an answer because there are just too many questions on both sides. Both make sense, and then neither. A close up of this photo shows Kris pulling a funny face, nothing is wrong yet, however creepy this dark area might look. But this picture is one of the most chilling for me because very soon after it was taken, something happened that meant that these two girls never got to go home. Now we can see that the path continues, something must have happened around that corner. It looks quite rocky and uneven, so it's quite possible that one of them fell and hurt themselves, maybe Lisanne as she had apparently already been suffering with a couple of health issues. Maybe this is where here foot was broken, although I have seen it described that bones don't necessarily break in a fall in the manner that Lisanne's were. Or perhaps someone was around that corner who took control of the girls from there. I can't imagine the pain and frustration their families and friends must endure on a daily basis, and I hope so much that they will get the answers they must so desperately need.
it's a huge jigsaw puzzle. ?i used to think it was an accident. not Shure now, all this talk about photo shop? why go to so much trouble.? In one of the Meney. programs it was stated that, two French tourist, where told not to go on the track has screams. had been herd? would like to look into that a bit more. and that sleazy guide, who found the boot. and is prominent. in the search, may be told the police they must of fell of the monkey bridge. something about him, more villagers should of been spoken to, houses searched it would of been done in America and most other countries., poor girls.
I saw there are ten of them, not just kris & Lisanne... their spirits are still in the forest. this is the real "Wrong Turn". those psychopathic murderers are still out there looking to score another kill
Her face looks beat up in that pic like swelling as started to appear on left hand side as you look at the pic also the blurring around the back left of her as if someone/ something has been edited out of the picture very very strange pic that
I think these were photoshopped or altered. If you look at the resort pictures, you can see that Lisanne has a tan starting to turn into a sunburn. And Kris, with her fair skin, has a sunburn. But when they get to the summit, they look like they haven't been in the sun at all, let alone hours. I have been to the gym and seen people who have done intense workouts, and they are red and breathing heavily and look like they are going to faint and have sweat stains. But in the hiking pictures, neither girl looks like she has been in the sun for hours. Lisanne should have a sweat stain on the front of her tank top since it is dark shirt. They should be sweating heavily and be sunburnt, especially Kris, with her fair skin. But they look like they have been inside all day. The only natural real pictures are the airport and resort, beach before Boquette. Everything after looks fake down to them, not even looking sunburnt and exhausted. It was reported that they looked exhausted and sweating, but in the hiking and summit pictures, their skin is pristine like they have been inside all day not been outside for hours. My oldest daughter has fair skin, and if she is outside for too long, she has bad sunburn. But during the hike and summit pictures, they look fine. Not sunburnt or exhausted at all.
One thing I notice here is there is some kind of orange paint on the bottom of a tree or something to the right of Kris and while it is blurry and harder to see it looks like the same orange paint and design can be seen in the same spot in the video photo.
They were photoshopped. To think were lost in the pianista. That is why they wasted time there. It was actually March 30 that they safely made it back home . Witnesses saw them come back exhausted and took cab. On April 1 they to la guarderia to volunteer and they told them NO. You can see the photo of Lisanne sad at restaurant El sabroson. They searched talked to someone they think they trusted. The taxi guy suggested somewhere specific to go . Their objective was to swim somewhere . The photos can lie. But the witness can't! Some saw them girls get in a red truck. All witnesses die? Of course because the 30000 $$$ was a good offer. This is well planned organized crime. Cartels involved for sure. Gang related rivals perhaps.
There were photos after this were she doesn't have her hands behind her back. The last photo was taken at a waterfall. They'd gone past the summit and through winding dense forest pathways to get there. That's where this photo was took, along a windy path before they reached waterfall. They probably got lost in that forest while attempting to make their way back and ended up going deeper into the jungle, explains the desperate calls.
This girl is dead in this pic and she's being carried by her killer or maybe her head is being carried. Strange but her face is blown and she's dead in this pic
These pictures are really out of characture with ALL of the other pictures of their trip and i will put my head on a block that her friend did not take these last pictures of her,i am sure she was there but did not take those last three pictures👍
Read through the comments here and on other videos that cover image 508 (this image) Dozens of people infer unsettling feelings from this picture. As a fellow content creator we know that 100:1 views to comment ratio is slightly above par standard on youtube. So if a given comment says “I can’t explain it but this particular picture really bothers me” That could easily represent 100 other viewers who thought the same thing but don’t leave comments. Many of the points made in this video are IMO legit. Kris is “too big” in the photo. The declination is difficult to discern (as are most elevations in both videos & on still images) The expressions on Kris’s face could just be Lisanne having shouted “Hey Kris!” then grabbed a cameo when she bent to look. I can almost hear them squabbling in Dutch about whether to erase or keep the “funny picture” But that still does not explain why thousands of truth sleuths find this image even creepier on the 1000th view than it was on the first. Many are equally more disturbed by this picture than the (almost identical) mystery night shots 7-8 days later. WHY???
Very interesting video, I'm following from Mexico, I've been obsessed whit this case for the las 2 months, please keep trying to discover the truth, in my opinion Feliciano is the killer... Thanks for the video grettings from Mexico sorry for my English.
I am not saying you are wrong. But how could that be? He seems to be an elderly man, and these were 2 young fit girls. They could have run away from him if they wanted. Screamed for help on the top of their lungs was another option. I dont think he could have overpowered them. One would have run away and sounded the alarm. And the search team came up with nothing? Not a single trace of their whereabouts? This could not be done by 1 elderly man. And if there were a team of bad guyes, would not somebody have noticed and come forward for a 30.000 dollar reward? And I dont belive so much in cower up. I find it amasing that after 7 years not a SINGLE person has come forward or a SINGLE peace of evidence is found. And why no urgency in their call for help. If they were in mortal danger, would they not have tried to call for help untill the batteries died. Why WAIT? And would they not have thrown some evidence of their whereabouts like peace of chloting, sunglasses, their swimsuits, just anything to let the search team know that they had been there. Or type a message on the phone(s) and dropp it to be found.... They must have know that search teams would be looking for them, and their families was worried sick back home. And still this silence where they not even TRIED to contact them. It does not make sence! They were two young girls who could put their heads together and come up with some sort of solution to their situation. I find it odd that they even did not take photos in daylight, but nightfotos.....?! And the bag, so I have heard, contained money and snacks. Yes, snacks. After days in the jungle would they not have eaten those to stay alive longer? I belive wherever they (were taken), they had access to water and food. They must have been in some sort of shelter (cave, cabin) and most likely held captive. They probably were ambushed or lead to an ambush sometimes after the last day foto and taken to a location deep in the jungle..... Maybe one of their captors is on the foto that got deleted by computer.
@@perhentzepetersen9310 I know, I understand your point, I was thinking maybe Feliciano and one or two or more people are involved, maybe it would sound crazy, but something inside me is pretty sure that Feliciano participate in some way in that murders.
@@marliesarah7130 Could be. She IS shouting something back to the fotographer, which I belive is Lisanne. She holds her right hand up to the mouth. But one thing I have thougth about is they may have shouted/screamed for help, once they realised they were lost. But out in the jungle and wilderness, maybe it is much harder to be heard by anyone, than we think! I still belive there is an down to earth explaination that may involve a third party, but that is AFTER they had perished. This party could have come across them when they were dead, taken their belongings, but regretting it because they were affraind that they could be held responsible for their deaths. Therefore they STAGED a accident and PLANTED the bag where it could be found.
@Ih Even if it is the same spot that picture ( 505 ) never looked right to me. Kris is bending over with her tongue out, looking like she's saluting? It's a strange composition, just like all the ones "on the trail" most of those pics a clearly photo shopped, and I didn't need the exif data to tell me that. It's been 8 years now since those poor girls were Murd3r3d, and nothing anyone says will ever make me believe different.
To me it looks like there is some sort of sign in the corner Chris stands in front. Looks like she bended over to read it, then turned to the camera and says or asks something. The whole strange thing is I never see Lisanne in any pictures after the happy ones. That makes it all so suspicious.
There is too much emphasis on 'unhappy' photos. This photo (#505) is the last but three in the series. There is no unhappiness in her face here and indeed on the very last photo (#508) her expression could be best described as 'quizzical' i.e. should we go on, or turn back. The only other 'unhappy' photo is #491 where Kris is standing well away from Lisanne - and that is taken on the way UP to the Mirador, not after they crossed the Continental Divide.
Thank you I thought I was crazy to think it look big especially her head compare to the rest of the body if you look close up , I don't know, it just looks weird
This is not an insightful video. The rock in the "These are my friends" video bears no resemblance to the rock in the photo. In addition, Kris is not crouching and looking upwards. She is on the same level plane as the photographer. Look at the ground which is flat versus the ground in photos 507 & 508.
Good post, and it makes sense what you say, What is that organge stuff on the side, and writing above it? It looks like graffiti? I have always thought this pic was creepy. Something dont look right about it for sure.
Hı! Thanks a lot, ıt's a very interesting video! Wanted to ask when police stated looking for the girls did they ever use the dog, wich was with the girls that day?
Okay, more interesting would be to know the time stamp of the photo, where that point is on the trail on the map, how far that is from home, and where they could've gotten lost on the way back. If people walk this with their dogs, it doesn't seem far away from a town.
i thought that . where they on the way back, its starts to get Technical, photo angles photo shop.? Maybe we are going way of track. ok they both got injured. could not do much with broken limbs. the search party didn't go that Farr down the track to find them. , they died.? poor girls.
At 7.00 in you video please enlarge the face of the girl. Her eyes are swollen .The right cheek is swollen.The left cheek is depressed.Her top lip appears cut and swollen. Her forehead is swollen? Enlarge the ground. Are there animal skulls amongst the debris? Is that some type of idol on a stick on line of first third from right edge. Is there an orange painted symbol with a black figure with upraised arms ,with a four letter word just below it? In another version of this photo are two crossed sticks on the right hand side.
I can see here that Kris's face was injured with uneven eyes, swollen cheek and bloody swollen lip. Both of her hands seem to be restrained and tied at her back. Her left arm as seen here is not her arm but the tree trunk. please judge by yourself. I think something bad had already started before this photo 506. BUT, the next two pictures 507 and 508 did not really show injuries of Kris body. My theory is starting from 506 all photos were dishonest and photoshopped by the authority with the good intentions of cover-up, saving the girls' reputation, protecting the old parents souls, pretecting the local tourist industry and economy and closing the case as soon as possible.
En Panamá toda Iá existen los caníbales Hace años atrás contaba mi abuelo que hicieron un plan para exterminar los y algunos huyeron a las montañas del boquete volcán baru Mi abuelo contaba que eran de estatura muy bajitos y jorobados de pelo negro largo muy malos Actualmente existen en esa zona y parte con la frontera de Costa rica por eso es allá se desaparecen las personas Las autoridadds lo saben y no hacen nada porque muy riesgozo Tendrían que ir por lo menos mas de 20 personas bien armados a la amanecer porque ellos salen por la noche Saben escondersen en cuevas donde nadie no los puedan encontrar tienen desarrollado un discernimiento de saber a lo lejos quien viene por esos lugares Se les a visto en las montañas entre Panamá y Costa Rica y hay un grupo de ellos en la selvas del Darién donde allí sí es muy notorio que.se pierden sobretodo los extranjeros que vienen de colombia En Panamá hay muchos indígenas peligrosos donde se camuflan estos caníbales y estos mismos indígenas lo saben Se debería probubir los paseos a esos lugares y poner cámaras o drones entre la selva y así se podría observarlos para capturarlos son muy feroces Deberían colocar cámaras de videos en esas selvas del boquete para así darles de baja porque son muy sutiles y no se dejan ver solo cuando atacan a las pefsonas
@ 8:12 I zoomed in on her face and I thought of the V for Vendetta or Anonymous face and the Cat Lady that messed up her face from all the plastic surgery…it looks distorted and very eerie looking…take a look!
On your cover photo for the video. Just under the t where you wrote, is it a cave. There is a arrow and some other drawing in blood. Zoom in and check it out. I tried but my phone is cheap
i have a question. Where is her backpack? She's not like in pose for a picture, looks just a quick moment take by photo, maybe for the spot lights coming from the top.
From the photos it looks they had one backpack and they where switching it frequently it was a hot day and I dont think they could hike long since they where changing turns to carry a light pack
I'm making my way through your videos having watched a few others on RU-vid today. I appreciate the work you've put in thus far, thank-you. I have to disagree on this one though - I don't believe this is the same point. How/why would a rock move anyway? I don't think the trunks/vegetation/branches on the right are similar enough either. I'm only a day down this RU-vid rabbit hole so I might come back to edit this post. The other thing with this photo - why was it taken? Given the happy/smiley pics indicating the nice view, brunch etc, this is a strange pose. To be honest I thought she was pointing at something with her right arm foreshortened. If there was no distress/concern at this point, you'd think that it would have been followed up by another happy/smiley "explanation" photo. Random thoughts...
Also there is something very strange about her body posture. She is turning to her right, her entire torso is bent forward and turning to the right. BUT it is her right leg, which is in front, as if she had just taken a step forward with her right leg. If you have just taken a step forward with your right leg, you would have turned to your left. Get up and try it for yourself. Right leg forward - more natural to turn to your left - inside, centreloine of your body. Left leg forward, then it is more natural to turn to the right, towards the centreline of your body.
@Christopher Bingham If your still not convinced, watch my other video you will see I was right. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SNjYHjiD-mo.html
Wait?! Is this the same photo we know unaltered? Because, without having seen the video, at 1:04 and earlier at full frame I see a woman with olive skin and black hair behind Kris (left of her between the "wall" of the "cave" and Kris) who is looking at Kris' direction and holding a hand up to her face with something like a lamp. Anyone see this?!
509 has to be deleted by a computer because 509 is not a photo. 509 is actually a video taken by one of the girls. Something serious has just happened and they want to record it 📽
@@Sandoz-tq7qj Just curious, how do you know that it is a video and not a photo? Supposedly with that camera if you delete a photo on the camera itself it reverts back to that number for the next photo. So, if you deleted 509 using the camera right after taking the photo, the next photo would be 509. The only way that 509 would be blank and still be there would be if you deleted it after 510 and using a computer.
@@EndoftheTownProductions Some people believe the photo 509 is similar to the "swimming photo". That's why it was deleted (it was a proof that they did not get lost in the jungle, but they got back and went to the springs, where they were kil... later by the g4ng members)
I've studied the thumbnail picture in depth, check the bottom right hand side of the path, near the bottom of the frame. Is that a snake coiled, or are my eyes deceiving me. You can see diamond shape scales possibly an eye. Please take a look.
Anyone notice that in photo 505 there is what looks like a five on Kris Kremer's pants. The five is formed supposedly by sunlight going through the shrubs, or is it photoshop ? Could be a coincidence there's also a 5 on one of the night photos on a rock. They say that's a local gang. The photo can be seen @ the 6:23 mark in this video @
I do not see it but why did they want to take such a photo ? In a forest environment only two young girls unprotected by male companions I expect them to stay close to each other. They were too far apart to be realistic. Did Kris tell Lisanne to move backward in order to take this photo ? Where was Lisanne ? How did Kris know that was a cave ? If I were there I would go through as quickly as possible. This photo, I believe, is fake. Too adventurous to be real ✖
Nice work! So the question remains, what do these photos tell us? Could it be possible that these last 90 pictures were taken from inside a huge well, or a diagonal downhill cave that was to slippery to climb out from? They could have just accidentally fallen in, or worse; 'being kept hostage inside'. Because to me it looks like that the rain is constantly pouring down straight to the location of the lens from the camera. And could it be that Kris was already murdered, and Lisanne was still barely alive? With her last breath she found the energy and a way to grap the camera without being noticed and make some last final pictures were the horror took place? ..... So many questions.....
If you go online and do research you will see where the photos were taken. Kris and Lisanne decided to go see the waterfall before going back. Lisanne googled it on her cell when she had signal at the summit. They reached the summit a little after 1 pm. They went over the cable bridge. It's believed both girls or at least Kris fell. Lisanne may have tried to get help and also became injured breaking her foot if not more. Lisanne was alive longer and if you look where she left the marker for rescue it's right below that cable bridge on a rock that's has foliage. The 90 pics have literally been matched where the cable bridge is. They didn't look there until backpack was found because the parents swore they wouldn't go and try to see water falls. They were restless it was a mistake on their part that cost them their lives. Most of Kris and Lisanne bones are in that River. If you looked the river swelled a month after they disappeared. It gets very high and even villagers never cross when it's monsoon season.
@@Bella.216 If a person falls and dies days later as a result, the body goes through rigor mortis and bones are unaffected by this change. Even during a monsoon, rip tides and strong currents couldn't sever bone from skin completely; you'd still have much in-tact but you'd also have bone scoring, scratches and fractures due to the current slamming their bodies up against rocks. Animals was a thought of mine but when I researched the regions animal population, none so fierce were ever sighted near or around the trial. The whole animal theory couldn't be proved anyway only because there were no scratches or teeth marks on the bones found. Hell, even when the bones were released to social media, you can clearly see no such indentations or markings are present. There are a ton of factors that play against their fall-to-death scenario however. Like where are their (so called) skeletons? How did the Dutch trained cadaver dogs not find the scent when they're able to for up to 6 miles? The Dutch team scoured all around the jungle and Pianista Trail never finding a single clue.. keep that in mind as you read these questions. How was it that Lisanne and Kris's (so called) bones were found in different parts of the jungle? How was it that a (so called) lump of Lisanne's skin was found in perfect condition months later after her disappearance? How was it that the backpack was found on a rock near Alto Romero and everything inside in perfect order unaffected by the elements? Also and this is a big also.. how was it that the guide, Feliciano, knew where to find all most of this evidence without much effort? Mind you it was not a waterproof backpack. If they were killed by dehydration and/or passed out from severe pain, bodies torn apart by the monsoon, how was it that Kris's (so called) pelvic bone didn't succumb to sun bleaching? In one hand the fall could have been a possibility but it also fails to explain the how's and why's , however, on the other hand I believe they didn't fall. I believe the "fall" was a smoke screen to misguide Dutch police as well as the media to thinking it was a hiking accident and instead a well planned abduction. When part of Kris's (so called) pelvic bone was found, Panamanian forensics couldn't find any points of fracture or breakage.. the bone was clean cut. Normally on a fall, bones fracture and/or break.. in this scenario, there are no signs of that. Same with Lisanne's (so called) foot. If Lisanne fell off a bridge (think the distance was 30ft) and broke her foot, it doesn't just come off. It was detailed that her foot was severed "cleanly" and last I checked, fast moving waters smashing dead bodies up against boulders don't clean sever bones. This was done by a professional. Oh and there was also phosphorus residue found on the shoe.. phosphorus is an indication for two realities: 1) farming.. used heavily in agriculture and the growing of crops and 2) Methamphetamine production (red phosphorus). If.. IF they succumbed to death, their body's were subjected to a cocktail of phosphorus and lye.. two agents that, when blended together, form a powerful agent that quickly breaks down organic material. Remember when I said "so called".. couldn't miss it to be honest.. there's another theory I believe that could have befallen Kris and Lisanne. There are so many holes to this case I've come to believe that the bones and skin found were of other captors. Panamanian police as well as the forensics department severely mishandled this case and were paid to mishandle it making all of this look like a hiking accident. Part one of my belief is that their body parts were exhumed and the remainder melted. The other belief is that both girls are a part of an underground Brazilian sex trafficking ring / cartel. So many different possibilities and scenarios that could have defined their fate and I believe the ones who control the tourist attraction are the ones who also know the truth.
@@Bella.216 People native to the land as well as Dutch investigators looked in those waters and never found a single bone. The only bones that were recovered were weeks / months later scattered throughout the trail when they mysteriously surfaced. On a side note, if in fact they did drown, how did Kris's jean shorts end up on a rock neatly folded? Wouldn't make any sense to take off your shorts when lost. If they succumbed to drowning, how could their bones and a lump of Lisanne's skin become so widely scattered? Animals? Not likely. As I stated before, no teeth or scratch marks were found on any of the bones recovered. From Kris's pelvic bone, rib, part of Lisanne's knee and even the decayed foot still in the shoe.. no animal markings. The whole drowning scenario just doesn't stick because of the events that occurred afterwards. The only bit that does make sense is that they were being hunted.
@@Nick-xv2bx They didn't search the whole river. Y'all are trying to come up with something that isn't there. Lisanne family even said they went further and got injured and lost and they believe it wasn't foul play.
How could Feliciano have kidnapped these girls, and held them so long, and been seen in town each and every day? The girls clearly had access to their fones...nobody but a Dutchman, knows the Dutch emergency #
hi i have a theory... after alot of video who see and hours on network i think the girls split away for another direction , thats the reason who dont know the password the one girl ... the bodys who found was on an different situation and unfortunnaly has a differnt die...
Is that a photo of Kris taken by what looks like a cave, or a still of a video?. Cause I don't think Lisanne was behind the camera, I think someone else was. Her whole demeanor has changed in that photo and in another one .
@@behappycat3088 Thanks for your reply. If you mean what looks like a guy in a whiteish fedora hat and a dark red shirt? The scale is not possible. To be able to see a man that small, you would need to be able to see much farther into the jungle. And you can't see that far with the jungle being that thick. I think the hat is a leaf and the dark red shirt is one of those dark red leaves you see in other parts of the photo.
@@behappycat3088 It is very easy to "see" things in these photos. I thought Kris had a cut on her right leg, but then realized it's a red leaf on the rock. I like how BackpackerCoach helps explain things with perspective.
I may be wrong & someone can correct me if I am, but after the set of Selfies at the start of the trail are there any other selfies after that at any other point? also Are the photos after the start point only of Kris? (apart from the shot of Lisannes head)
Incredible detective work! Thanks for this series of videos. I don't understand how the gals could bring the landlady's (or whomever) dog if a taxi dropped them off. Did the dog go in the cab with them?
I don't think the dog ever went with them. If the dog did go with them. Then the photos would be obviously faked and if the dog didn't go who started the roomer?
The dog was not the landlady's. It belongs to a bar at the foot of the pianista trail, apparently it followed people up the trail a bit and then went home. I doubt it followed the girls far if at all, they would definitely have taken a photo of it. The dog is completely irrelevant to this anyway.
@@joannaaustin1768 Who couldn't resist taking photos of a cute dog that is following you on a trail. I don't think it's completely irrelevant. it's just one more part of the story that doesn't line up with photos.
@@BackpackerCoach The dog did not follow the girls, it followed the people who were behind the girls, that's why there are no photos, when people attack the girls the dog gets scared and returns to its owner, the taxi driver declared that he saw a car arrive behind of them.
looks like her hands are tied, the look is scared and animalistic...she tried to run and got caught at a dead end..who ever took the picture...she is terrified and knows she is going to die in her face...she has blood on her leg.. an injury you can clearly see it.
I think the hike and summit pictures are fake. At the airport, beach and resort they have sunburns especially when they were in the water. But when they get to Boquette, everything looks fake. The hike picture their skin doesn't look like they haven't been outside for hours. They should look exhausted and sweating, especially Kris with her fair skin. But the majority of the hike pictures they look fine, relaxed. Not even a sunburn. At the summit, they don't look exhausted, sweating, or even sunburnt. Lisanne should have a sweat stain on the front of her tank top. At the summit, they don't look like they haven't been hiking at all. Not sweating, exhausted, or even a sunburn on Kris or a tan on Lisanne. The only real pictures are the resort pictures to me. If my oldest daughter is outside for too long, she has a bad sunburn. At the gym, if people work out too hard, they are breathing heavily, sweating, and needing a drink. And red as a beet. Allegedly, they were spotted outside of town looking exhausted and tired. But the hike pictures they look normal. Not like they were outside for hours, something is suspicious about the hike pictures.
@@BackpackerCoach Just a proposal: You could ask one of the tourguides to take a photo of this spot. They definitely know exactly where it is. One of them is Plinio Montenegro. He is on Facebook.
Backpackercoach, I want you to review photo 505, the photo where Kriss has her legs in profile and her torso and head turned forward. His trunk and head are slightly tilted forward. There are 2 ways to read the position of his arms and hands: the first is that his hands are tied behind. The second is that his right hand is over his right ear, trying to hear or understand what the cameraman is saying. In both cases, Kriss is photographed in surprise or not having time to strike a pose. It is a natural photo. Her face does not express any feeling of joy, which is expected when someone wants to record a good memory in a photo. I see in the background, at the height of Kriss's buttocks, a man with a top hat, a trench coat and a shotgun or rifle on her arms. Was the cameraman warning Kriss of something going on behind her back?
Now i've paid attencion to this detail, you can clearly see a silhouette of a man holding something, a rifle or a machete, with a top hat. Seems like he is "guiding" them to where they want them to go. If you look her face close you can see she is looking into the ground, avoing eye contact due to fear. This proves the it wasn't Lisanne who took thise photo (Lisanne could even be dead by this point). If you look at all the images, the hijackers were focusing on Kriss all the time. You can see that in all the trail photos, when she is crossing the river, she always avoid eye contact and has a scared face, and all the pictures were of her. They wanted her. I believe she was kept in the cave/ravine.
I cant say for sure but i think the video is showing a segment of the pianista trail before you reach the summit not after. Either way the area must be full of similar ravines. Some of them are used as walking paths when it is possible.
This segment is proven to be after the Mirador. The photo numbering also proves it. It is img505. It was taken after the Mirador photos and this was followed by two photos taken at the creek, img507-508. That creek is an hour’s walk after the Mirador.
Too bad Kinga didn't ask the natives about where all the photos were. Although there's probably hundreds of places that look like that picture in that jungle.
Her face has some kind of a mask on it....I don't know anything about this story, I just ran across it accidentally, but in trying to learn more I came across your videos on RU-vid. I've zoomed in multiple times on what is supposed to be the person's face, and it's not right!
Maybe Lisanne looks bigger because she's standing on leaves/collection of vegetation that had built up but is now gone. So it gave an unnatural lift. I don't think her hands look tied back. It is comfortable to put hands in that position if crouching/stooping a bit.
I think she his holding her right hand up to the mouth to shout something back to "whoever is taking the foto." I do belive it is Kris Kremers on the foto though. This is a STRANGE case indeed, but if it is NOT faul play of any kind, how can one explain what happened to them?
No, you are right. She has not her hands tied behind her back. In stead it looks like she is shouting back to the Fotographer (Lisanne?) It is like she is holding her right hand up to her mouth and saying/shouting something. I think this is about the last normal foto. I find it strange though that she changes her hairstile. In the last fotos. Now, why did she wanna do that. Maybe it is quiet innocent: They have been climbing in a realtivily quiet area, but now there is vegetation everywhere. Maybe her hair got filtered into the vegetation just too many times for comfort....
@@perhentzepetersen9310 Well, what could Kris have shouted back?! Pretty obvious! Since this looks like a deadlock ("cave"), Kris could have shouted back: "Hey Lisanne, it's not a deadlock! The trail goes on here!" It's as simple as that ... but won't solve the case either!
Pretty hard to listen to you dude. Really focus on cutting "um" out of your vocabulary. If you need a moment, just pause and say nothing. Maybe watch some RU-vid videos on how to eliminate ums. You're clearly doing a voice over, retake your recording if you say um 30 times in a paragraph.
