Did Kris Kremers or Lisanne Froon fall of the trail? 

My theory is that first call was bc they had come across someone on the path and felt unsafe possibly they secretly made that call. Maybe they did not have other opportunities to call after that if they were being watched.

That trail is a tourist attraction for the town. Many people walk on that trail. Out of the thousands that have walked it, how many people have fallen into a ravine that we know of? Do we know of anyone who has fallen into a ravine? If assumingly 99% of the people navigate the trail without falling into a ravine, why is that the first theory of so many? Mathematically it doesn't make sense.

I don't think they got that far or fell off a trail. I think they were abducted & murdered. After Kris' parents announced they wouldn't leave until they knew either way if Kris was dead or alive & after a $30,000 reward was offered, suddenly the backpack & bones were found! Very fishy!

I believe the reason the phones were turned on around the same time every day - breakfast, mid-morning, lunch-time - is that the phones were being turned on by men who had jobs. They turned the phones on before work, and in their breaks. I think 13:37 happening twice is just a coincidence, the window is around 13:30-14:00 and he happened to hit 13:37 twice.

The fact they did not leave any message on the phones speaks volumes i feel. These girls kept journals/diaries their entire lives. The phone data seems staged.

They fell off monkey bridge trying to cross together. The bridge is in the background of pics taken. Since they obviously couldn't walk back, they waited and DEFINITELY used a tree shadow to mark the times. They knew they might be waiting days for rescue so were scared to drain phone battery, last links to possible help. Help never arrived, nobody searched that deep in jungle till later time. So sad.

Two beautiful young European girls, vulnerable, alone in a Third world country. I live in a Third world country. You will be abducted and murdered. Very sad and wrong, but not surprising😢😭

I don't get it: were there NO people hiking that trail on that day at all? Since it is such a popular trail, why was there no one else who could have seen them or helped them?

I've seen people fall off cliffs trying to take selfies on the edge

Kris and Lisanne didn't fall off the trail, or off a monkey bridge they were abducted abused ,murdered and dismembered. The girls were targeted before they even arrived in Boqeute, in other words they were set up. I believe the perpetrators had control of their phones, and also took the strange night photos. And I'm betting that the rest of their bones could be found on Felicanos coffee farm/ Ranch. But police have never investigated there, for me it's the first place to look after the initial bones were recovered, and if I remember correctly, the bones were found by none other than Felicano. Strange that 🤔

I spent a year off and on in the Darien jungle. Not the same as where the girls were but there is no way what happened to them was without human interaction. Someone fucked them up and someone is covering it up.

Even the locals have fallen to their deaths from the monkey ropes. It’s a known local danger.

I've always wanted to know more about the type of phones they had. Why didn't they try to send text messages? Why no video? Any text messages that didn't send immediately would have at least been saved in the outbox. I don't know what happened but this part alone seems very odd and suspicious.

Before I say this, I just want to state that I’m not a Dr, I just have medical professionals in my family, grew up being taught a lot & have always had a strong interest in forensics ect… I feel (with my unprofessional eye), like I can tell a lot from that foot X-Ray.., For 1, that’s 2 very severe fractures. Most fractures, are hard to see to the untrained eye, however those 2 are highly visible, very severe breaks & where they’re located (above the middle toes, top of foot), makes that almost, if not so, impossible to walk on. That’s at Center of balance & where the foot & tendons flex. She’d of basically had very little structure holding her foot together (silly way of ne explaining it but that’s the nutshell). I don’t believe she could’ve physically walked on it even if she pushed through the pain… Also, that doesn’t look like a crush break to me (such as a rock falling on it). Generally with crush (or “impact fractures” is more the right wording), you usually see many tiny bone fragments in the surrounding area. We don’t see that in this X-Ray. That’s also a difficult part of the foot to break. It’s most common to break slightly lower, above the little/pinky toe, most commonly from a fall or twist, but 2 severe fractures like that up that high on the foot is unusual, especially given it doesn’t look like impact fractures… What might be consistent with fractures like that, in that location, might be if her foot got wedged between 2 objects & she fell, but her foot stayed in place… that, IMO, is even more likely to happen if her foot got wedged & she fell backwards rather that forwards… or was pushed backwards, or was backing away from something… it could still definitely happen falling forwards if the foots wedged, but our ankles bend forwards so would somewhat expect it to be more likely falling backwards (just imagine your own foot, wedged between 2 rocks to a depth above your toes, now “fall forward”… your ankle & body bends… now “fall backwards”… naturally, there’s not much give in your ankle. You can kinda get a understanding of my opinion putting your own body in those situations)… Also… Just to note, bones are much harder to break after passing away. Once a person has passed, muscles immediately relax, there’s no struggling ect …In fact, that’s actually a method Coroners use to help determine in “falls from heights” cases wether the person was already passed away prior to “falling/jumping” due to there likely to be less fractures if the person was already gone or unconscious at the time of the fall (cause the muscles are relaxed. It’s actually the tensing of muscles around bones that cause a lot of fractures… hence why people who suffer from seizures often get broken bones, it’s the muscles tensing, not the “thrashing around” that does it💔). In saying that though, it’s definitely not impossible for bones to break after passing, it’s just less common & harder to do… especially in the foot, that’s an unusual place… so my opinion is she was likely still alive when the foot fractures happened… Another thing I thought of is if the foot fractures did happen after passing away… well, the foot wasn’t connected anymore & if that was done by human intervention, then perhaps something like a vice or something similar was used to hold the foot still & the ordeal of it bent & broke the foot?… Horrendously morbid, but these are things that are a reality in this world & worth considering when investigating I guess… Oh God, these poor families!!! 😓😓💔💔

What do you think about that: After taking picture 508 and walking for some amount of time, they were being observed by someone. At 16.39 and 16.51 they made a discrete emergency calls. After that, they were attacked and kidnapped (for some reason), and were taken to one of the houses west to the first cable bridge. Person that kidnapped them was leaving the house for a few minutes twice a day and it allowed the girls to retrieve their phones (assuming that the kidnapper took them) and make emergency calls or other things. On 8th April the girls managed to escape and made it through to the area of cable bridge 1 where they took those night photos. Unfortunately later they were found by the kidnapper and killed, he dismembered their bodies and threw them to the nearby river. I may be wrong with something, so if, please correct me. Unfortunately, still I don't know the reason for kidnapping and murdering the girls by someone.

Why did Feliciano go to find the Dutch girls in the early morning on April 2, ? He could have waited for them at the trail head and called them by phone to check if they are late or slept in. Why was he so concerned ? They are not friends. Looks like he already knew something. And why didn't he call the police right away at the house but instead searched their room for over 30 mins ? He must have taken some items which belonged to the girls. He didn't report to the police until that evening. What was he doing with the girls' belongings ? He acted just like a suspect.

Happy New Year and thank you for another great video.

There's no way to venture out, get off the trail, get lost, or fall into any ravine. It's physically impossible. It''s just one single ditch.

Thank you. I really love your videos. I would like to ask you one thing. What do you think happened? How, when and why? Whom of the witnesses are correct and why? I watch so many of your videos and simply love them.

They didn't have a major accident. Major accidents involve injuries and thus blood. No blood was transfered into the backpack and onto their items while rummaging around and they surely would have utilised the bras as a bandage, padding or strapping. They didnt. They must have still had the backpack with them when something happened because the phones were put back in it.

However unlikely it is, one scenario I imagine for the strange consistent timing of the phonecalls assumes that by day 2 the girls ended up trapped in the shady river gully location of the night photos as days and nights passed. By chance at certain times of the day - around 10am and also around 1pm - the sun might have been in a position to shine down through the dense tree canopy overhead (that the night photos show) and bathe them in light and warmth for short periods at these times as they lay immobile. In their static injured state these recurring periods would be distinctive 'landmark' times of the day that might have prompted them to try to phone for help.

Why would they leave ther underwear, glasses, money en phones on a rock, nicely together, and leave their shoes on. Not a try to phone your loved ones or leave a msg on your phone/inbox..... Does not make sense. And the 2 other men who know something or have seen something are dead under mysterious cercomstances...

I think they were scared and possibly driven deeper into the jungle, if that wasn't the case even if one was injured the other could simply re trace there steps back to town and get help. One being injured is possible two being injured unlikely.

Personally i believe there was other humans involved in this. In regards to the micro abrasion on the bone could the leg have been whole with skin and muscle before deteriorating? Your video was excellent and i watched it until the end, this could very well be the case too, i hope we have answers one day. Three of the people who were around the girls t turning up dead just leads me to believe cartels/people affiliated were involved in this.

It's possible the phone had alarms programed into them which never got deprogrammed, so the alarm would go off and the phone was briefly turned on to stop the alarm. It's also possible these alarms were programmed for Dutch time, not Panama time.

What if one of the girls fell and they were taking the nighttime photos to get the other girls attention. Which would explain why they're all of the same spot towards the sky? They're incapacitated but trying to signal for help?

the reason for the telephone calls always at the same time could be:At 1st April they started to the El Pianista they checked their phones and at the Mirador and in both times they recognized that they had cell reception.The start has been about 10.30 and they reached the mIRADOR at 13 up to 13.15. i guess they thought that the cell reception is dependent from the daytime.

If they fell off the trail or bridge you would find their bodies largely intact (if they had even died from such a fall which is unlikely!). It’s obvious they did the hike, got back fine and then were abducted and eventually murdered for organ harvesting. One does not find a foot ripped clean off because they “fell off the trail”. That is due to methodical dismemberment.

Why not take into account the theory that the girls went further along the path? Alone or with someone who promised to make them happen? Everything becomes more logical if we assume this course of things. Looking at your map, it looks like they have reached the third cable-stayed bridge. This is what the shorts and the remains found near him and further downstream hint at. It seems to me that the slope from night photographs should be looked for in this place, and not at the end of the descent from the mountain. Why did they keep moving forward? I don’t know, maybe the girls got lost? Perhaps there were dozens of paths and they thought they were going right, and then there was no point in going back and it would have been more correct to go forward. I hope you will consider such a theory in the next parts of your mini investigation.

Great video. Really thought provoking

Not saying that it couldn't have happened like that. But the circumstances following the dissapearance and the subsequent investigation (s) are extremely suspicious.

I dont know what happened, I'm not going to speculate because that helps nobody. But, even in 2014 people had to be at least partially aware of how dangerous it would be for two young girls to travel to one of those hellhole countries ALONE. And to then be allowed to wander into a jungle. What the hell is wrong with people ???

If they simply got lost they would of course write SMS to the school, landlady, parents.

Maybe the clock was set for this time

The forensic anthropologist from the Lost in Panama podcast said that the bones were not crushed.

Thanks. In case you don’t know that the girls parents gave a statement one year after disappearance that they are convinced it was an accident and a fatal fall

it's a fact their parents, the Dutch and the Panamian police all came to the same conclusion about natural deaths post falls. The photos from phones were withheld by parents. All the night photos from the Canon camera were also not released deliberately by parents and authorities. The girls got late returning in the dark off the designated trail and fell down from one of those treacherous locations shown in the video. Bones etc were scattered by scavenger activity

People get too hang up on the phone calls and time stamps etc.....I recommend listening to podcast Lost in Panama by Jeremy Kryt and Mariana Atencio, two investigative journalists who actually went down to Panama and talked to local people. These girls did not get lost or injured.....

I wonder when did the tour guides start the tour, get a lunch break and finish them. I wonder if that coincides with the phone activity.

what I especially wonder about is the phone calls, they call 112 and 911, but they haven't tried to call any family members. understood that they were in contact with family, who kept them well informed about their journey. I find it strange because they only tried the emergency number, I would also try to call at least 1 to 2 family members or send an app to all telephone contacts, with SOS, possible location sharing included. hoping this will get through to someone. Even without a connection, this would be visible later, just as it can be seen when you turn off the phone. my feeling about this case is that it wasn't a complete accident. yes, it is certainly possible that one of the ladies broke her metatarsal bones during their walk. but because of this, they would both be easy targets for a cannibalistic tribe. If the cannibalism tribes are known and the police are not even allowed to interfere with it, because of the tribes' own laws. I can imagine that you don't want to close the case on this, that will keep the holiday goers away completely. I can also imagine that rules have been drawn up between the tribes and villages, so that the villages are safe, for the tribes they believe in cannibalism. Iam so sorry for the family, RIP for the 2 beautiful an brave young women.

Also, I watched a video by Peaked Interest about the girls going missing. At the 2:48 minute mark. There is a picture of lisanne wearing her sunglasses and blue top exactly what she wearing on the day she and Kris went missing.and it looks like she's at a restaurant. Its very intriguing in light of what we have been told what happened. I thought this might interest you. O.k. kool.

You need to do asmr when I hear your voice I wanna a sleep .. really man, your mic capturing any single sounds 👌

That's a great, enlightening video. Thanks so much! Interestingly, it shows that the parents' account of the trail (after hiking it themselves) wasn't correct at all. As the impressive video of the Imperfect Plan team shows, there's indeed quite a number of pretty dangerous spots, where one could easily slip off the trail and vanish into the thicket. Honestly, seeing that trail actually changes my believes about this case quite a bit. Until now I was certain, that the official accident theory was total BS. But apparently it's not that far fetched. I wonder why the parents wanted to convince themselves (or everyone else), that there was no way, that the girls could have had an accident on that trail … By the way, I just read (I believe on Scarlet's blog) that the two 13:37s on April 5th and April 6th was actually a copy/paste error by the authorities. The second one should in reality be another time, which I don't recall right now. But it was rather close, so it doesn't change the very odd distribution of the phone operations. Just wanted to mention it.

I think that the girls were murdered when they took some kind of transportation to get back to their place. They were abducted and murdered in another location. The back pack, dried with the contents inside were put in the trail so people would think that whatever happened, happened in the jungle.

This is at least a balanced analysis vs all the 'it was murder'(without a shred of proof). If you watch Romain his vids (which you saw probably as you say in the video); directly after 508 there is a sharp fall to the right. Seems an option that lisanne fell there seconds after 508. On 508 the continuing path looks very welcoming so.they couldve thought to go just a little bit further to have a look and that was that.

Very well said video!!... very interesting how the bones travel. 🤔

in the last photo (508) on the path it shows they are already after the pianista trail and in this pictures it evens seems they are moving further. So i guess they thought it would be a circular path. Otherwise it wouldn't made any sense to go deeper and deeper in the jungle because they hadn't enough time to get back before it got dark. They called at approx 5 pm the emergency call, most likely not because they had an accident already i guess, but at that time they noticed they are definitly completly lost and the dark will set in soon. I think a probably accident then happend in the night or the next day. What are you guys thoughts about that?

Perhaps it wasn't bones that floated down the river, but rather intact corpses or body parts. The flesh then decayed at the site where it was found. This would work if the river had a lot of water. The night images were analyzed. They show rain, sometimes heavy rain, which may have caused the river to swell. I don't think it's entirely unusual that the bones were in different conditions. The site was not a sterile room, it is jungle. Anything from a mountain lion to ant could have been on the body parts. Sometimes more sometimes less. Then some bones were freed from meat earlier than others. The only thing that isn't 100% correct is where the backpack was found. It couldn't have gotten to where it was lying naturally. To do this he would have had to float upstream. But that doesn't have to indicate a crime either. Maybe it was found by someone, as it is in an inhabited place nearby, and then dumped there because it was known that people were missing.

Another thing that doesn't make sense is if they really did fall and were stuck in one place for days why not type what happened into text draft or something? If you're in one place for days you've got a ton of time on your hands and as the days went on you'd figure they would start thinking "we might not make it out of here. At least let me write a final note explaining what happened if this is ever found." Also they may not have thought about it but trying to send a text msg to emergency services may be possible even if there isnt enough signal to make a call.

I don't think so, because, the last photo Lisanne takes from Kris was in a spot where there are no more cliffs in the way. There are cliffs only in the beginning of the trail where there is phone signal.

I was thinking the same thats strange to me too turn phone on around same time unless they could tell by the sun its sad I pray their parent's get answers if it was my child i wouldnt give up either 😢

1-The fracture in Lisanne's foot and the holes in the back of Kris' Jeans do suggest that they fell from a very high place, but I don't agree that it was accidental. How to explain that people who fell into a river and died, were being dragged along with their belongings while using their phones and a camera for 11 days? This narrative of an accident is very bizarre when compared with the facts we have. 2- If they fell into a ravine where they couldn't get out and died, like the backpack, clothes, bones and other belongings, did they leave there? How did they climb out of the hole where they were trapped and end up along a river? It makes no sense, it gets too bizarre again! 1-A fratura no pé de Lisanne e os buracos na parte de trás do Jeans de Kris, sugere sim que elas cairam de algum lugar bastante alto, mas não concordo que foi algo acidental. Como explicar que pessoas que cairam em um rio e morreram, estavam sendo arrastadas junto com seus pertences ao mesmo tempo que utilizava seus telefones e uma câmera por 11 dias? Essa narrativa de um acidente, fica muito bizarra quando comparada com os fatos que temos. 2- Se elas cairam em uma ravina de onde não poderam sair e morreram, como a mochila, as roupas, os ossos e demais pertences, sairam de lá? Como subiram do buraco onde ficaram presas e foram parar ao longo de um rio? Não faz sentido, fica muito bizarro novamente!

Wasn‘t there phosphate found on the bones in the jungle? Phospahte is used in fertilizer. I think the backpack was found in a rice field. Could this belong together?

In fact, if you fall from a rock even if 1 meter from the ground and your head was hit by a hard surface life rock, it could cause serious injury that cause the death?

I don't think any falling off is their case at all in this country, for sure they were murdered for something, we all know "what" 🤨🥺 Hope one day they get justice and hope people void traveling to these countries 😒🥴

But what instigated the fall? We're they being chased? If they just got lost, you just retrace your steps. Something must have led to a panic.

9:53 I dont know if you noticed but there s like 2 or 3 shortcut path after photo 508 at 2 min walk, it there any possibility to know where is it leading ? did someone ever tried it ?

The phone coming on the same time two consecutive days could be down to an alarm being set some phones come on when the alarm turns on even if the phone is turned completely off. This could explain the two exact same times for one day after another.

Is there a record of any case, like ever, wherein an abductor made emergency calls from a victims phone? I just can’t make that make sense. People being lost and making emergency calls (even with no service) makes perfect sense but I’ve always had trouble seeing the calls as an attempt to stage or cover this up. Would love to know if that is a strategy any other abductor has ever utilized and the outcome of doing so.

Maybe there is some symbolic included when it comes to their phones and the same time they start their phones. Has anyone researched that? Maybe there is a message they tried to send us through these same patterns everyday and the numbers?

They were thrown in a ravine after being held captive for a week and Lisa Anne was hobbled and Krys was already dead

I think they were checking for any network each day and did not enter password because loading the system could take battery percentage down. And the timing was just an accident.

My feeling regarding the timing of the phone start-ups is that, if we suppose they were held captive somewhere, these were the times when the captor left them briefly alone and so allowed them a chance to take a look at their phones. The captor may have had time-related obligations at both the 10-11 and 13-14 periods - something that took him out of the room for at least a few minutes.

Good work ¡¡ very good...well done

I’m sure phones back then used to switch on when the alarms had been set for a certain time and then they would beep and switch off again.

If they were murdered. Why would they leave their backpacks clean and the contents inside for everyone to see. That baffles me. Such a sad story

in my opinion they were already dead after the first call. And the other calls were done by two guys that taken the cell phones. They simply wakeup at that time.. at around 10 and the other at around 13. The guys call emergency just to sidetrack.

Could one of the girls used both phones? As in when the battery ran out on one,they used the other phone? And as for the incorrect pass code being entered numerous timesCould one of the girls become incapacited and the other girl used the phone and attempted to make guesses at what the pass code was because the other girl was unable to tell the other the pass code?

Excellent analysis: strangely, calls occur at the same time, which is impossible in a panic situation, that even if we assume hypothetically, after Chris’s death on April 5, Lisanne tried to call from Chris’s phone, and these countless input attempts, by the way: emergency calls occur without entering a PIN code, and a night photos, supposedly of Chris’s head, taken, presumably, by Lisanne to fix and mark her friend’s body somewhere under a canopy, where it is dry and there is no rain. Then why was Chris's body missing, both shoes and clothes, and her "bleached" bone ended up in the water, her shorts in a completely different place? Where did Chris' head go (an animal can't swallow a whole head)? Or maybe we should investigate the pictures of the guys at the waterfall, the huts that the girls’ parents didn’t want to go to, the location of it all... crime.

I would think they were really conscious with what has happened to them and turning on the phone at the same time means they have some survival tactics. What I don't understand is that how on Earth the police/Interpol/FBI could not locate their phones in 2014? The other thing is buggling me is if they were for example followed on the first day or felt that someone is following them, why they did not hide and then the next day take the same path back that they were using, why they tried to go the other way? They had known how far they are from where they started, but they did not know how far they are from Costa Rica or the next house or village, this is beyond me. I would have turned back and tried to remember the path I used and just go back on the same route.

If they fell at the beginning of the trail, who took the night pictures on April 8? It seems to me that the likely place where night pictures are taken is the third bridge and shorts Chris. Probably there they died there...

Sometime and lot of case that "West and East" will be not synchrony in perspective side. GBU.

You said there are a total of 3 cable (monkey) bridges . Could you show me pictures of all of them ? Thank you .

They could not fall far, and if they had, they would have been found close to it, alive or dead.

For me the twice 13:37 time phone turn on/ call is most suspect. Very hard to do for someone that does not have other source of time that lost in a Jungle. Looks like somone did this by accident in a lunch break at work or on those times to troll everyone - like: ' im getting away with this' I remember in my gaming days in 2014 (I was 24 at the time) - 13:37 stands for 'Leet' aka 'Elite' like 'I Am The Best' . Mostly used it in our gaming nicknames to look cool or to troll someone. So imo the 3rd party involved must have been around between age 20-25 that was into video gaming.

I lot of people don’t know they had the host familys’ dog with them. I think the dog ran off and they tried to find it. I def think something happened to them but I think it was a local and it happened either after they were dead or on the verge. I don’t think they were followed or abducted right away

could the phone being turned on certain times was them using the flashlight on the phone to find a path it was at night maybe the battery charged a bit after they used it...just speculation...

They could not have got lost, or fell. The trail goes past peoples houses. The poor girls were followed and they ran into the jungle to get away from someone. Then they were found and murdered. Poor girls.

At some point of the way back, they should have gained GSM again. So they can't get back very near the Mirador top. For me it makes more sense, that these two girls tried to explore one of the rivers and went deliberately of trail.

Definitely foul play. Everything seems staged. I worked at an airport with a few people who were from that part of the world. They told me that it’s a very dangerous place. This entire story gives me the creeps.

Great video

They fell down a cliff and got beat up very bad, All the night photos are looking up a ravine/slope or cliff face. The trees are all tall and spindly typical of trees found growing on a cliff or slope. If they were murdered why return the evidence, why not just burn it? One girls foot was broken from a fall They lasted i think 11 days at the bottom of a cliff until finally perhaps death and wild animals made short work of the remains and they were scattered wherever the animals roamed.

The alarm !!! If they had an alarm set up certain time , but they hit the snooze bottom later. So if someone else has the phone and don’t know the ring would not pick it up, only later to check what was it . So, it seems like a robbery , that turn into a rape/ kidnap , they took their clothes and put it in the back pack, they ran away naked only their shoes on, were chase thru the forest, reach the bridge , shot are fired , they fall into the creek , traumatic injuries/ even fatal, robbers know a search party is on the way, get rid of the back pack given it away/living it at the ladies house. Ladin find out. Don’t want nothing to do with it, “said it was found by the river” . The night pictures was an attempt to be seen by an helicopter, but the rain confuse the pilots with navigation lights and lighting.

i don't understand why they did not leave a recorded short video message or maybe their storage was full ?🙏

I was actually thinking about something......what if they witnessed something...like someone else being taken for example. Maybe they then called.. .it didn't work and then decided to follow the people. Maybe they followed them off the beaten path. They didn't want to lose them so they didn't have time to call until they stopped outside the destination.

the search group spends night in the forest on April 7 from 21:00. and on the same night , but already on April 8 (morning) from 1:00 to 3:00, girls (or someone) take night photos. the search group was in the forest during the same period. and this is last photos of them . maybe they were there not to help girls but make false photos or this is the night they found girls by camera lights and this was their last night . don't you find strange that the night when this search group stays in forest is last night for girls? why none talks about this strange detail ? if girls were there , they could hear them and gave them signal by camera light

I'm been a lost theory person and then a foul play Peron. I just don't know. The phone data I believe was them using it. But it just doesn't make sense on any of the theory's

Did they use the clock on their cannon camera?

There is a picture of one of them wearing a watch.

7:50 Well I mean maybe they has a watch on and looked at the time and said " Well lets try again today"....Maybe whoever they were calling went on lunch or got off work at that time. On the other hand maybe if someone was holding them they let them have their phones back to try and reach for someone to talk about payment to get them back......maybe after so many days of not being able to get thru the people who took them said screw it, it isn't worth it and then killed them and moved on.

Look at the channel of Juan Perea y Monsuwé. He has more than 80 videos about this case and solved it. It was not an accident but murder.

They were already dead before those calls and photos at night.. Those guys were doing those to mislead

The night photo with the pink wrapper at the end of the rock shows when lighted that it matches the cable bridge spot. It's the same spot. They made it there and died there mostly likely. Lisanne hurt her foot. They couldnt walk up that mountain so they descended as it was easier. With LF's foot broken, they both scooted on their butts at times. Who knows really. Such a sad story.

Maybe one could make a map of the area showing where you have phone connection and where not

Look this trail looking at the video of a bloke taking the trail the actual paths look really hard to like defer off them Doesn’t add up I mean ud wait for daylight and pick up some sort of path u Cld find I’ve noticed that the blokes video of the trail passes the odd native walking the other way past and that was like say him only taking a few hours off there so these girls apparently were out there alive so they say for like over 7 days and yet on the trail nobody even heard or seen these girls let alone then the police, authorities, sniffer dogs not a trace of them for over 10 weeks then evidence and remains turn up ur telling me that the dogs Cldnt even find the littlest trace of these girls etc.. don’t make any sense

I would expect bones to be clean when tumbled in the river just as rocks in nice and smooth at the bank of the sea. But how fast is the river, and strong it is, are there waterfall, that could crush the body. Would bones actually go as river flows or they would stay?

Can someone please answer one question: Does the river where the backpack was found lead to a stream uphill where the girls were hiking.

LIsanne hurts her foot. They realize they can't walk back up that mountain. They go downward and hope for help that way.

Can you set an alarm on one of those phones at a specific time and it turns itself on?

Weird how far away the bones/remains travelled without any abrasions. I think something very fucked up happened to them at the hands of other people.