Is it a Problem for the NBA to Have 6 of the 10 Best Players be International? | THE ODD COUPLE 

Very little defense and fundamentals in those AAU games

⁠@@lucky2gunnz309Tatum Embiid Ant are some the best defender in the NBA they played AAU Jokic and Luka are the worst defenders in the NBA they’re from Europe and dpoy gobert had to have the Kat guard his man because he was getting abused yall keep tryna push that false narrative…

@@daa_97those are just 3 out of thousands of AAU players…

​@@liulbitew14 exactly name several more 😂

@@liulbitew14 ok what about 8 of the 10 all defensive team they don’t count do they?

How so?

Thank you 1000% agree media heads like Rob Parker, Chris, Bussard and Jaylen Rose along with Steven a Smith they’re the ones that are the problems could care less if someone’s international player or not

Congrats, dumbest comment I've read today

@@Daedcicar They do not use their voices and platforms to help market the league right away. It is such a disgrace that LeBron James has been talked about every day and he is not in the race. All the sports shows are too scared to cover players and teams that deserve it because their numbers will take a hit. Every topic they discuss is based solely on analytics and minute by minute numbers. They all are trying to cling to the way the NBA was. Not what it is now. They do not help market anything the right way. Some have a problem that they actually have to help market. They think they are just a news show. Greeny who I love said it and it made me so mad and highlights exactly why the media is the problem. He said Its not up to the media to come up with stories they just react to stories. That would be true if the sports shows were actual news telecasts. They are not. They are opinion based debate shows. Its entirely their responsibility to help market the NBA as a whole not just LeBron and the Legacy teams.

​@@bryanmahoney3434 your frustration is misplaced. The media is a business first. They have an obligation to follow the numbers, the views, and the clicks. Otherwise, john and jane doe behind the scenes will be see an unemployment line. The numbers are consistently down when they try to talk or promote things that are not LeBron, Cowboys, Lakers, Brady, etc. Even before LeBron, the numbers for teams like the Spurs or the Pistons, who played team basketball, were very low. That's not the media's fault...that's the fans fault. Hell, even in the illegal streams of the games, certain teams and players draw far more numbers than everyone else. Once again, that's the fans. That's who your frustration should be directed at.

Whose crying about it? If you had not heard story starved broadcasters bringing it up, you would not even have thought that anyone was crying.

Euroleague best player Mike James is an American that couldn’t see the court in the NBA…

​@@daa_97and Americans can't hold a candle with this team.. PG-Luka SG-SGA SF-Giannis PF-Wemby C- Joker 6th- Murry 7th-Embidd

@@daa_97kemba Walker averages 8 points in the euro league, it’s a thing of adapting and what style of basketball can you play but why do I expect an American to understand anything about basketball

@@kirkcupido9730 embiid Murray and SGA grew up playing basketball in America idk y yall always include them I use to go watch sga and his cousins games down in Tennessee 😂

Yeah I agree, its awful

Actually, playoffs are pretty good because of defense. Which makes me think, why don't we have teams playing defense during regular season.

It's the lack of stories and the media unable to sell the game for me. We have 4 teams in conference finals with no narratives, and players not even selling the game. They wanna be friends. I used to remember teams players and coaches beef with each other publicly and that sold the games especially in the 80's-90's

@@crigonalgaming1258forget narratives I just want to see consistent good basketball games which I haven’t seen for a while in the nba

@@davidcovington1046 And let's all try to forget that grease fire of an All-Star Game. I think I still have PTSD.

You mean like anthony Edward's jayson tatum ja morant devin booker tyrese Haliburton zion williamson jaylen Brunson jalen brown bam adebyo chet holmgren paolo banchero

@@sean24833 they are good but not on that elite level apart from maybe tatum and edwards in the future.

@@deanwolf6811Ant was the best player in the series with the mvp he is elite

They are that's why they are dominating playoffs

@@daa_97 He wasn't the best at all. Had a 21.3 GameScore compared to Jokic at 26.2. But for his age, he was very good as the second best player by far on the court. He has potential.

Yes when you keep addressing it subconsciously it becomes a problem. The average spectator doesn’t care as long as they’re entertained I mean damn

You don't no what you are talking about this convo for years are being discussed in barbershops

You should see the other media, they been hating on international players

Seancrockett obviously u haven't been watching how other networks, other podcasts, & retired NBA players have been hatin on international players. At least The Odd Couple are exposing these hatin fools ✊🏽

@@lollol-zo9xy I watch many other networks and have nba discourse online and amongst friends. I promise you from my experience the only ppl who give a damn about the international takeover are these two and gilbert arenas

Basketball will never be like football. Respectfully, it’s not even close

That will never happen

Facts

lol those championships were by 2 players , lebron and Steph. So besides lebron and Steph.

Edwards was good in that series but he clearly wasn’t the best. That was Jokic. Edwards had other players stepping up

They do in Euro soccer leagues so it’s not a bad idea

I'd argue they should limit it based on whether they went to American college or not. I would say each team can only have 2 players who didn't play NCAA basketball. So Pascal Siakim and Joel Embiid would be allowed since they played college ball even though they are international.

Why? The NBA is now a full blown business. The Superstars who are coming into the league now can be billionaires when they retire. Entertainment and high profits is what the league is and the US players understands this more than the rest of the world. Competition is not even a top 3 priority anymore. It's about making money. In the 80's and 90's, players killed themselves to be better than the next man and what did that get them? Most of those players now are feeling the physical effects of what they put their bodies through without the financial resources to continue a luxury lifestyle. Superstars today play less games, make over 75 million a year from players salaries and endorsements, don't take the game as personal, and have a better understanding that it's all about the bread. Even the average good player can make 25 million a year while making additional millions creating content for a podcast. It's all about branding for everyone. The players are just better at it today. Not everyone can be LeBron or Steph who seem to have it all

Probably because the top 5 players in the nba are international. The best young players are international. The future is international. The present is international.

Bingo. The NBA has a marketing problem. In the 90's, they highlighted all the teams regardless of size of the markets they played in. The biggest mistake the NBA has made over the last 10 years is keeping LeBron in the spotlight too long. Sports media is dominated by LeBron and the true NBA fans and the casual ones are tired of it. Now that LeBron is no longer making deep Playoff runs, the media doesn't have anything to talk about.

It’s marketing but it’s more than just how the teams are being ignored… it’s the poor ESPN presentation of the sport. The Jordan era was NBC, it was presented perfectly. The Bird/Magic era was presented by CBS and was presented perfectly after they came off of tape delay. Those Orlando Magic, Charlotte Hornet etc games that were on after Jordan retired the first time… were on a first rate network with first rate presentation. So that you saw Shaq and LJ and Alonzo Mourning the way that you were supposed to see and hear them. ESPN is the problem.

You don't need to be athletic to be legendary Tim duncan already proved it if wasn't for the Ray Allen shot he would have 6 chips just like Jordan.

@@djkido316 to be legendary, you don't need to be Athletic. To be the greatest of all time, you need to be the most imaginative player combined with athleticism and every award known to man, offensively and defensively + team awards. None other than one have ever had it all.

Ja sure isn’t boring off the court!

@@AjayiAgbebakuJr Maybe he'll figure out a way to make crime actually pay.😆

Yeah they should be more like that thug ja

Imagine saying they don’t care, yet they work on their health, body, fundamentals, and LEAD their teams every year whereas American players focus on tweets, random highlights dunks, being fancy and never working on their game.

That is by choice. International players have to make a much larger sacrifice in their own lives to play and make it in the NBA. When you watch the Olympics or FIBA World Championships there are dozens of players that can easily play in the NBA if they wanted to. Players nobody has ever heard of stateside. It all depends on if their personal lives afforda them being away from home 6 months out of the year. The level of difficulty in that decision alone varies.

Is Kyrie Irving Australian, American or both?

@zvbx He might have australian citizenship but he's American. He went to high school & college in the US and his parents are both Americans and who went to Boston University.

Not at all. Nobody cares about this sport outside the US. That pretty much goes for all US sports tbh

@@adonisblake4905 That's why their best players are coming here. Not the other way around.

@@greggibson33 exactly, because nobody cares about the sport where they come from

@@greggibson33 Europe its all about football, tennis, rugby. Nobody watches or cares for NBA or NFL. I'm European and watch it but nobody who I work with watches either.

​@@adonisblake4905False the NBA has numerous big global markets look it up

Nah when your league get taken over by foreigners the popularity will die down like baseball like hockey

The EPL is the biggest soccer league in the world and basically all it's stars are foreign. Don't see where the big issue is here.

@@adtastic1533 The big issue is the way the National Media is covering the NBA as a whole. All the sports shows want to cling onto the way the NBA was in the past, not adapt to what it is now. Which means its up to all the big personalities to market the players and teams that cant market themselves. Instead they are trying force narratives. Its already happening with Anthony Edwards and its not his fault but tells you exactly where the problem lies. They think that the NBA needs a clear cut American face of the league for it to be relevant. They know that LeBron, Steph and KD are far away from winning another chip and they are all older now. So they are forcing narratives about Anthony Edwards to perch him up into that spot. Always failing to realize that marketing strategy does nothing but kill the rest of the league. Its outdated. There should be several faces of the NBA. Not just 1 above the rest.

Who are these players burnt out at 23 it’s a reason Euro players get drafted go to training camp can’t hang them try again around 25 then found out they can’t hang those cone drills rarely translate to actual game play. High level AAU produces the best players in the NBA this is a fact euro is all about offense the best American players are great two way players

Basketball is a major sport in Brazil… it’s just that it will never come close to overtaking soccer. The brothas in Brazil eat, sleep and drink soccer just like the brothas in the US do the same for basketball.

Or maybe the game has become antiquated and now they are trying to address how long the game takes.

@@DaedcicarIt’s not antiquated… when your biggest star needs an interpreter.. your sport has a problem.

@@Dbo_Sports it’s antiquated when they have to change the rules because it’s too long and too analytics driven 🙄

That’s not really the point why are smaller countries producing the crème of the crop even though USA produces the most NBA players but none are top 5

​@isaiahh4108 And until this so call cream of the crop you talking win a Gold Medal for their COUNTRY I don't want to hear a mofo thang about them taking over! Or being the top!

Please refrain from smoking meth before commenting.

@@deepvoicedude4749 Just a fact sir, I’m sorry that it doesn’t care about your feelings

@@adonisblake4905 People like you are why the first amendment was a mistake.

In the last 10 championships 8 have been lead by Americans only 2 lead by European players their about accolades not winning championships we saw the American Anthony Edwards be the best player in the nuggets series and I haven’t seen giannis make a deep run in 4 years the media is hyping the euros when the play hasn’t warranted it