Is It Worth It To Buy A Brawl Deck? A Magic: The Gathering Product Review 

Found this at a big box stores for MSRP Should I grab? Would it help with pioneer?

They should but it's unlikely. Wizards wants you to have to buy their product twice if you can't commit to a single "experience." Just the tip of the iceberg that is Wizards Greed.

They do this for prerelease packs, however only one can be redeemed per Arena account.

They already do. There are plenty of codes from decks and preleases. WotC just did not know if implementation of brawl will be ready by the time of printing of this product

@@Foofoothegoon they probably should allow more codes per account

Prerelease had a booster pack. I gave mine away online as I like physical cards and commander. Glad I could buy mine online without needing to wait a week, pay an inflated price the collector's booster and brawl decks had, nor go to a tourney. Lol brawl wrong life that's funny. Not one to pay a ton extra for slightly better lands.

NinjaToaster yeah, especially given they seem to be pushing brawl for the sake of Arena.

I still don't know how we are supposed to get these new cards in Arena without crafting them. I hope they will make that clear soon enough.

why would they? they were free to play on Arena for some period (not sure anymore)

@John DiLoreto actually it is not available because WotC is thinking ahead. At the time of printing they did not know if implementation of brawl in Arena will be ready by the time of the product release.

Arena can't handle multiplayer though

As of right now i cant find Brawl on Arena at the play-menu and cant challenge my fried for a match of it. To state they brought it to Arena would be false in my eyes and i hate WotC for it.

Yeah, Europe is seeing all kinds of price fuckery at the moment.

Dunno, I bought a set of Brawl Decks for 70€ from my LGS. So can't really see that price increase that much. And it's not a LGS that's that big. PS: Also Germany.

The price increase is real. At a distributor level in Europe the prices have goneup by 20%. Primary market product is ridiculously expensive now. I'm in the UK.

They also removed promos from magic open house, making it fully irrelevant as new players won't have anyone to help them when they try to get into magic. WOTC is greed beyond belief.

Mine sucks, would much likely charge 30€ and be like: "You know this is a limited stock, i MUST charge it for the price i think it's worth 🤑"

Where?

Mine has them for $45 CAD which is like $30 USD

What lgs do you speak of? We should give them praise

Canadian here. Picked up one of each deck on release day at Wal-Mart, happened to get lucky, picked them up for $32 + tax each. LGS owner nearby said they picked up decks at Wal-Mart too just to later resell at 50 each. Now THAT'S scummy.

Because they know the Commander precons will sell anyway, but they wanted to push the contents of the Brawl decks to prove it is worth it

Matthew Westmoreland yes that is true but I’f they put shocklands in commander decks new players might want to get into commander or maybe a standard player could buy it

I've been wondering this for years.... add to that the fact that this year they didn't even include lands that are exclusively played in commander (I'm thinking of the Battlebond multi-player lands) and that confusion grows even more. My only thought is that they know that when they've put staples for other formats into the Commander preconstructed decks that people who weren't interested in the format bought them out, making it harder for people who do play the format to get their hands on it. And those decks got resold online as 99 card decks with that one card taken out. That said, the mana bases in commander don't even need shock lands to see a dramatic increase in player value satisfaction. They could just as easily include lands like check lands or the Lorwyn filter lands, both of which have better playability than the life lands and guildgates, but lower financial value than shock lands.

@@imthatmysticgaming9341 same argument with brawl if they put some thing good in that people might buy it wow. A product that need to have buy power and appeal unheard of. Those pokemon gift box that put in 50-60 USD card must be a myth then

@@imthatmysticgaming9341 And why I have to pay 30-60 USD for a single (may be 2 if WotC feeling generous) shock land and very and I mean very small amount of standard legal card, if I were a standard exclusive player. That just would not make sense in any shape, form

Except for the Knight deck. Don't get me wrong, the commander itself is amazing and the deck has a ton of value but it is almost unplayable outside of the box against the other 3. It barely has any ramp or card advantage. Not to mention that the equipments that come in the deck are also very lackluster

@@caiolucas55 im hoping next expansion also adds some nice knights since eldraine added a bunch of knight synergy but unfortunetly not enough to be relevant

@@caiolucas55 It is a Brawl deck. Standard mana rocks suck compared to Commander mana rocks. This is why every deck comes with an Arcane Signet. It is the best they could do while making it Standard legal. Every Commander deck comes with Sol Ring. No way they can print Sol Ring into standard. That would break the format. The other 3 decks have green ramp or a cheap commander to make up for the lack of good mana rocks. The knight deck has neither. I think the deck would have done fine as a precon Commander deck, but as a Brawl deck it stood no chance.

@@caiolucas55 well, if you play it right you could win. (Looking at you Josh-Lee-kwai, the madman!)

@AD asd Maybe the randos on Arena just are bad at Magic, but when they were doing Brawl on Arena I went like 6-2 with the Knight deck.

A diversity of products is acceptable imho.

Dave Martin I would argue that that diversity is not worth the loss of quality that has come with this new product. If it takes off, you can expect to continue to see mediocre commander products as Wizards tries to get you to buy into brawl again every standard rotation.

I want wizards to make lots of money. That way they will continue making lots of cards in the future.

@@Narabedla4 In a game knights episode with these brawl decks one of the designers said that they included commander cards in the brawl decks to appeal to commander players. AKA: we put commander staples in brawl decks so ppl have to buy more of our jank to get the goodies. :)

@@adog389 🐳

Provided you're not going to run any lifegain in EDH!

@@GoodRogue True!! Either way my D20 ain't gonna cut it. Actually..that might be the reason they put 40 life on the counter for a 20 life format, now that you mention it.

I just use two die. Using the smaller numbers, I basically just need to worry if my life goes above.... 2,100. Which, that's not my playstyle

We use 2 D10s or the lifelinker app in my group

@@jonathanrobinson8926 They did that explicitly so it could be used for Commander as well. Of course such things never account for going over starting life totals.

Wow. One of a billion reasons I boycott Arena so far

Thank you for the information 😊

Target, walmart and gamestop have them for 21.99 each.

Faerie Schemes Brawl Deck costs around $40 at 5 local stores here :(

@@OF24com I got it from walmart for $20

I bought my Walmart out of them because I love them. I currently just play them with my family

No cards that EDH players want??? The hell? Arcane Signet?? Not to mention others...

Yeah, might be time for him to get some glasses!

You should also try Magic Arena if you're thinking of getting into Magic. It's a great version of digital Magic. You can play for free and learn the cards. 👍

BNRAWL is just how that word is spelt. Much like "circuitous" is actually pronounced like the prof. did. Don't believe the dictionaries.

BNRAWL is the ancient Gaelic spelling.

and this is why I have stopped playing magic. and Im a new player

Thats a rip off at your lgs

I hope it's only a one time problem because they don't know how the new product is seen

60?! Time to find a new LGS

Reprint into the dirt. Bring arcane signet down to $2 like sol ring and command tower, where it should be.

@Alex1514 I mean sure, if you bring syr gwyn to a cedh table..

Any link/suggestions? Commander is something I'd like to get into, and had hopes for the Knight brawl deck but ended up playing Bant/Esper ones on MTGA while they were playable, as they just felt more consistent.

Alex1514 that’s a very general statement that misrepresents commander as a whole. When it comes to commander it really depends on the playgroups you run with. If you’re playing on cockatrice, untap.in, or mtgo that might be the case but in paper it’s all about location and playgroups as to whether the decks will be competitive

Alex1514 what’s your source for this? I’d love to see the data

@Alex1514 that's incredibly false of a general statement. there are non-cEDH groups that are super competitive where you will lose if you don't play a top deck or a deck that breaks a top deck but by and large commander groups are pleasant to play with as its meant for fun. far from every EDH deck is "basically a cEDH deck" that's just laughable. the Knight deck with upgrades does fine in those groups

sloops

Your time has come

It’s a fun deck to play . Very easy to win if Untap once or twice with Chulane!

I see what you did there.

Goodluck with that lol. They've already been bought out by everyone so you can't find very many of them around already.

Heh noticed that too did ya?

Chulane will prob be my commander of choice for a while and my fav brawl cmamder is Alena because fliers is fun as hell

But it worked. WotC is the company making out well.

Lgs 35$ ....i think playing in walmarts parking lot is looking better every set..... keep in mind, your lgs paid 10$ for these decks....

I gotta admit, the fact that it came with an ad card and not even one token for Alela, who literally makes tokens, made me way saltier than it should have

Seriously? I did not know this. That's bullshit.

I'm not sure why so many players have it out for Brawl. The way I see it, it's just commander, but with a more reasonable card pool. Commander is "put every overpowered card you can find in a deck" and is very difficult to pick up for newer players, both due to a lack of historic card knowledge and price of entry. At least with Brawl you can adapt a standard deck, or use some of the more unusual cards you might have picked up at a draft.

That did bum me out way more than I expected. I don’t actually own a single non-rouge fairy token, so that sucked to learn. Just using birds right now but it’s bothering me far more than it should

Eggy Von Turbo brawl is a great place to start, no lie, but it has the same exact problem as standard; rotation. If it just used Arena format (historic I think? I just kept calling it gladiator) that would help, as at least critical components aren’t going to cycle away and leave you back at square one constantly.

USD?

@@neotwo8786 Yah, so basically the reasonable price of all four...for just one.

@@Simpin4Mal that's rough man

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50 at the store near me.

I quit Magic a long time ago, but I just dont understand how current players arent pissed off beyond belief at them? Especially in this time out outrage? Seems like something thats really worth being outraged about....heh, id be pissed. Why dont you guys yell at WoTc for their apparent greed lately? am I missing something?

@@Scorch428 its the typical internet-rage bubble. In reality things really arent that affected.

Eh, they were actually playable for free on Arena for a few days like a month ago. So we knew all about them long ago.

Lexender True, though I believe they have made some changes/additions to the printed decks with different cards (example: I don’t remember Sephara being in the Alela deck on Arena), so the argument one could make is that these are kinda different decks

Just do what my friends and I do. We enjoy commander but dislike the long games sometimes so we build set/block specific "brawl" decks. I have a set of 5 khans decks and we have alot of fun using them

@@fate3071 I kinda like that idea. Just make brawl decks out of blocks. Did you include the core set(s) that were out during that block?

@@amazingronaldo9656 we did not, but we have done core set brawl (core sets 2012-2020)

Brawl has one major flaw. It’s standard cards only

@@fate3071 We just all built Oathbreaker decks for when this happens :P

If you have a bullmoose they go for 18

Same! I got the last two they had, but unfortunately no Chulane :'(

Ethan Large I got 3 and they were out of the same one

It really frustrated me that he said Chulane was the best prebuilt deck. He is no doubt the best new commander out of the 4, but data shows that Alela is far superior to the rest in terms of out of the box power and balance.

Swish!

Stonks

I bought it because I used it to make an EDH deck with it. Got mine for regular MSRP too though.

@@robertcarlyle4946 Ebay!

For commander ones they do. My Kalamax deck came with all of the tokens

Local virtual game store lol

@@MrVariant they have a brick and mortar store...thats what they started as

He pretty much always says 'if you can' or something to that effect, but acknowledges that not everyone has one, in which case: Card Kingdom.

This is why I argue against the professors support your local LGS BS. IMO cash is king above everything, and the cheaper product, of the same quality, is the best one. No matter the effect to the businesses. Because at the end of the day, businesses including LGS, are just trying to make money.

Wizards new strategy in most things seems to be absolute chaos.

Right? Though the Jund deck almost won and was pretty resilient

Just goes to show the variance that happens in multiplayer games, people with strong starts/effects will get targeted by 2-3 people

Politics happens. At least on Game Knights. Whenever I play commander, there is rarely any successful politics. While I don’t think Game Knights is rigged, I do think there is probably an understanding that this is a show and having someone get wiped out in the first few turns is bad for the episode. Josh could have been crushed early, but he gave the other players an excuse to let him live, so they did.

@@InitialT-tm- even without politics. If someone starts turn 1 sol ring into a rock, they're gonna get targeted. Or if someone gets a strong value engine (chulane for example) going, people are going to interact with said value engine.

Jordan Albee true. I never said they were wrong to come out early against Jimmy. But there was also an opportunity to let Josh be purged early and yet he got bailed out for somewhat spurious reasons.

This is funny.

Instead of using the paper tokens from sets I just use old sleeves with a cool paper in them and a dry erase marker. I can easily write on the sleeve what the creature is along with its power and toughness

Right? The guild decks from ravnica came with an ass load of tokens

Commander decks cost 40, not 20

@@Dracomandriuthus Im not seeing these anywhere for less than 40.

The precons at my LGS are $50 - $90 Cad

How soon are you expecting it to come?

@@trixterDevil I'm not too sure, but my store said more should come around December.

Moementai, I was told the same

Man that 120 Cad on face to face was totally worth it

Card Kingdom is a local game store.

@@TolarianCommunityCollegeso we support local game stores to support Tolarian Community Collage that support us as well? Thats awesome

Card Kingdom certainly isn't an Amazon, and supporting your local game store and buying stuff on Card Kingdom don't have to be mutually exclusive.