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Is it worth Modding your Firefly guitar? 

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In this video I go through modding and fixing up the firefly guitar I got. It was pretty fun to do this and I hope it inspires you to try it too!
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@thealexbentle
@thealexbentle 8 месяцев назад
This is probably the most scientific guitar breakdown I've ever seen. Proud of you, bruddermane guitars.
@rodnyg7952
@rodnyg7952 8 месяцев назад
so it's worth modding if you can/want to do it, if you agree to spend more money to do it, or if you're willing to pay someone else to do it all. Doesn't really seem like such a great plan for someone who just wants an inexpensive guitar. It just seems like more work and expense. Most people aren't interested in fixing & spending more money on something they just bought and want to use
@jerbear7952
@jerbear7952 7 месяцев назад
Fair enough assesment. My thought is like this. You can spend a lot more and still have to do work. This strategy is kind of like buying an 80% kit. For 300-400 you can have a very nice guitar with all the bells and whistles you want. That is hard to beat if you habe the skills.
@rodnyg7952
@rodnyg7952 7 месяцев назад
@@jerbear7952 but your thoughts don't respond to my comment. Just open a new thread about those who are equipped, willing and able to work on guitars to do repairs and modifications. I'm talking about the vast majority of people who would just likely need a basic setup so they can use their guitar. Most people don't really want to fix or mod anything, and only see it as more expense and time. I know, I've been repairing, modifying, & setting up stringed instruments for clients for over 35yrs.
@z-9693
@z-9693 7 месяцев назад
I've owned about a dozen Firefly guitars since first seeing the Cherry Transparent 335 copies on AMZ back in late 2017 or early 2018. All of those guitars, except ONE, would have been fine straight out of the box for the type of player you're discussing. Certainly they could've been dialed in a bit better in minor ways and more time & attention could always be given to the finer details, but they were no worse and mostly better out of the box than your average Squier or Epiphone or most other guitars under ~$500. Thesdays you can buy a Firefly or Harley Benton for a total cost including shipping of $280 or less... even all the way down to ~$200 and have a perfectly acceptable, playable, functionable instrument with not a damn thing to be ashamed of. Amazing time to be a guitar or bass player!
@rodnyg7952
@rodnyg7952 7 месяцев назад
​@@z-9693 I've never had anything against Benton, Firefly, or any legit budget guitar makers. In fact, my acoustic is a '61 Harmony Master. This too was consider, like Kay & Silvertone, a budget model of it's time. Some people just prefer them, and I agree. However, there is a definite limit to certain things, like setting intonation, tone and string height that are dependent on material, build quality and alignment of any guitar. This is where spending lots more money to change out hardware, wiring, pots, and pickups becomes more of an exercise in vanity than anything else.
@garettbodel3002
@garettbodel3002 6 месяцев назад
But did you listen to it before he did anything to make it sounded absolutely amazing I don't even think he had done the setup with that now the set up at that point the elite line of fireflies are amazing for the money just a setup like any other guitar would need and you have a great guitar but for the most part these are for people who run too hotrod their guitar 🎸 .$350 worth of electronics and you have a guitar that plays like a $1500- $2000 .guitar
@southerncrossvids
@southerncrossvids 8 месяцев назад
You did a nice job on that guitar. i enjoy your vids bud, cheers! Len , South Carolina
@winteranSK
@winteranSK 8 месяцев назад
modded has a much better resonance, it doesnt fade into a bad distortion sound as the note rings out. Much more solid, clean, and warmer sound that doesnt have that dirty fried distortion sound the original pick ups had. Nice job!
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@flppr1
@flppr1 8 месяцев назад
I vote yes on the pickguard. Thx for the vid. You are very talented.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Thank you :)
@pccougar895
@pccougar895 8 месяцев назад
Your replacement bridge has tiny set screws front and back both ends (Tiny hex screws). These will allow you to adjust the bridge forwards or backwards on bridge posts.
@RA-ew8rv
@RA-ew8rv 6 месяцев назад
Excellent results! I just purchased the Strat version of the FF, fully updated the electronic, addressed a minor issue with 4 -5 frets, and just ordered a replacement bridge. RE: buying a more expensive guitar, no... with the minimum amount of work to improve the guitar it's worth it. If you can do the basic repairs i.e. setup/mod the service charges saved versus paying for the work pretty much covers the parts. The result is that you have an axe that plays as good as most $1200 guitars with better electronics in most cases. Great video!
@joehansonguitar
@joehansonguitar 8 месяцев назад
Awesome video! Well done! Just subscribed to your channel
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@DRSmith8808
@DRSmith8808 8 месяцев назад
Beautiful guitar and playing man! Wish I had your luthier skills too. I cannot believe what you get for $200 with these! This should just not be possible. Has anyone seen the Firefly Adam Jones LP that was available for all of 24 hrs or so? I was lucky enough to snag one and have a video on my channel if interested. It definitely needed some work and a set up but all I can say now is holy crap!!!
@m7walk
@m7walk 7 месяцев назад
great job bro
@indiedavecomix3882
@indiedavecomix3882 8 месяцев назад
I'll be honest, and maybe because I'm hearing it through phone speakers, but to me the sound of the new pickups didn't sound significantly different enough for me personally to justify spending the extra money on swapping them. Just my opinion, though. I think modding guitars to your own specs is always worthwhile. It makes it more personal and fun to play knowing you put your own ideas into it. Great vid!
@michaelbelgard3679
@michaelbelgard3679 5 месяцев назад
The mod sounded better (I think!) You should of added locking tuners and a String Butler! They work wonders for tuning stability on a 3+3 head! Hope you get your intonation down!
@BazonBlades
@BazonBlades 8 месяцев назад
I just did my first string change and mods to my example. I added Hipshot open gear locking tuners. Which are sexy af. I also hydrated the fretboard, and it is so dark it looks like ebony from across the room. I am super happy about that. I have also decided to change out all the electronics as well. I will be going old school with mine. EMG 81/85 reversed combo. I absolutely love the 85 in the bridge position. Beyond that I think the guitar is about perfect as is.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
That's awesome! I've been waiting for a good price on some EMGs to play them and try them out (Specifically the 81/85s) I have heard such good things about them. What do you like about them? (are they dark, bright, warm,etc.?)
@BazonBlades
@BazonBlades 8 месяцев назад
​@@Bruddermane, sorry I missed this. EMG pups are pretty cool. You get your output from the preamp rather than just having super hot pickups. They have a kind of hi-fi feel/tone to them. They are also a little more compressed sounding and feeling compared to passive pickups. Which helps cover up my sloppy playing, but players wanting more dynamic pickups will probably prefer passives. The 81 is typically considered a bridge position pickup. It's a ceramic magnet pickup with a tight bottom end and crisp top end. It also has a slightly scooped mid-range. The 85 is typically used in the neck position. It is an alnico magnet pickup and is bigger in the bottom end, rounder/fuller in the mids and sweeter in the top end. I prefer them in reverse position with the 85 in the bridge and 81 in the neck. I think the 85 is too warm/boomy/muddy in the neck position but sounds super thick and chunky in the bridge. It sounds really good in the bridge position. The 82 being brighter/tighter and punchier works really well in the neck position. Giving sweet tone without getting muddy or woofy.
@joshkeisling
@joshkeisling Месяц назад
I don't know if you installed EMGs but did you have any issues with post from the volume and tone fitting into the old holes?
@BazonBlades
@BazonBlades Месяц назад
@joshkeisling , I have not changed the pups in this guitar yet. I would imagine that the factory pots have the import diameter pot shafts, though.
@aminahmed2220
@aminahmed2220 8 месяцев назад
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day also stay safe ❤😊
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 6 месяцев назад
Having done autopsies on all the Firefly humbuckers I've pulled out of my guitars I can say factoring in the cost of an upgrade set of pickups to the base FF guitar price should be in everyone's calculations when considering buying a Firefly. I say their humbuckers are junk but if I were more generous about it I'd say they're exceptionally janky. (They're junk.) Also, for LPs and 338s, add in the cost of a good bridge that comes with posts and steel bushings, like Tonepros come. It's not worth sidegrading, you'll end up where you started. I'd maybe make an exception in high gain cases like yours but clean to mid gain players shouldn't scrimp. That's $60-$80 for a bridge, pickups can run $50ish+ for a 2nd hand set of post 2013 Epi Probuckers or Alnico Classic Pros, ($8-24 for 1 to 3 sets of different magnets to swap in) or $120 for new Toneriders, various for specific 2nd hand sets, and up to one's personal limit new Lightweight tailpiece, locking steel studs and steel bushings is another $60 but you'd have the same expense on an Epi or similar so I dont calculate "same" upgrades in the FF final price. Let's say a thrifty $130 to start, bridge and pickups That's almost $350 for a full price FF to be enjoyably playable. If the sight of the headstock doesnt crush your street cred with your bandmates, and you're sufficientlY brave, do it. And like you said there's less hesitation learning tech and looth skills on a FF. Of the Epiphones that are playable out of the box, so to speak, that you wouldn't immediately think to change up you'd spend $750-1000 new, often with good bargains used. Part of that price is sidestepping the Firefly "lottery," because FF shamelessly sells dogs right along with the ones that turn out okay, just like every other budget brand but Jet does. There's a risk in not knowing what defects and deficiencies to look for so a good tech that's also a friend, who would do an assessment and make a to-do list, would be a good asset.
@walt1748
@walt1748 8 месяцев назад
You can move the rollers to where they're halfway off of the screw. I have mine tuned to drop B. My intonation from harmonic and fretted at the 12th fret is right on the money. I'm using a Wilkinson roller bridge.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Maybe I'll try a Wilkinson next. Thanks for that
@say_when5988
@say_when5988 7 месяцев назад
Gorgeous guitar. I find the Neck Seymour sounds better but I like the stock bridge instead.
@rodolfolopezduran2320
@rodolfolopezduran2320 7 месяцев назад
Grate work! Try adding some copper shielding in the pick up cavity and loop the string over the bridge!
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for the tip! What does looping the string over the bridge do? I’ve seen people do it but don’t know why if it’s not a “thunderbolt” style bridge.
@z-9693
@z-9693 7 месяцев назад
@@Bruddermane They do it because they can. And because the early LPs had wrap-around bridges. The Reverend Billy Gibbons does it, Zakk Wylde does it, lots of players do. It changes the break angle over the bridge and changes the 'feel' of the strings lowering the string tension a small amount. I usually do it on my LPs & gujitars with tune-o-matics + stop-tails. One practical benefit is that if you break a string near the nut/tuner and you have it wrapped over top, there is usually enough length left that you just pull that string out and feed it thru normally and its long enough to still use. Saved yourself the cost of replacing that string. Mo' money!! Mo' money!!
@rodolfolopezduran2320
@rodolfolopezduran2320 7 месяцев назад
@@Bruddermane it helps keeping the guitar more in tune and better intonation.
@gearhead2017
@gearhead2017 Месяц назад
I modded my leo jaymz w the skull n bones graphic,new knobs strap locks and had it professionally setup,i run elixir optiweb 10 46 strings,the nut was replaced w a bone nut,what a difference in tone
@kaare090
@kaare090 8 месяцев назад
That's a nice damn guitar.
@z-9693
@z-9693 7 месяцев назад
I've owned many Firefly models and they are excellent mod platforms. Very high bang for the buck and they continue to offer lots of variety among models as well as configurations for each model type. All things considered they have amazing features & finishes and put a high-quality instrument within nearly anyone's financial reach. I've used the same roller saddle bridge a few times and just like you mentioned, its finicky to intonate & doesn't offer as much range as I was hoping for... at least not without painstakingly adjusting the bridge as a whole using the set screws as well as the saddles. If only they didn't lock the saddles with those vertical allen screws, which is hugely limiting factor. If the saddles were made them compress against each other or have individual walled channels like some Hipshot bass bridges, then you'd have maximum flexibility of placement as well as max range. Then I stop dreaming and realize that its an inexpensive aftermarket bridge from China, so I'm not inclined to hold my breath counting on improvements being made. I'll just continue to work with & around the limitations as it pairs well with a Duesenberg Les Trem II (cool HG Wells or Steam Punk looking trem that retrofits onto stop-tail mounts). The ability to lock it onto the posts plus the brass rollers make it as close to perfect as you're likely to get for that usage case. Especially for less than $20!
@josephcannon3675
@josephcannon3675 8 месяцев назад
Nice video. The mods and new pickups sound really "tight".
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Thanks! I agree. They can definitely help me get my guitar sitting in the mix better with less work in Post, which is always good.
@andyx20201
@andyx20201 3 месяца назад
Dying to know what you used for clean and hydrate the neck. Could you put what you used in the description please
@ivanriverajr5012
@ivanriverajr5012 5 месяцев назад
Dude, i got my bourbon burst. Sounded great. The neck pup was muddy. Put a treble bleed kinman mod. And I lowered the neck pickup and brought the poles pieces up about 1 turn ½ each and bingo clear tone. I'll probably get some mojotone 59 clones later but its fine.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 5 месяцев назад
Nice!
@doctoribanez
@doctoribanez 3 месяца назад
I bought graphtech ratio tuners, Seymour Duncan jb/jazz set pickups, tonepro bridge and tail piece, new jack ,cts pots, switchcraft switch and sence its the buckethead ripoff i put tesi kill switches . Probably spent more than double for parts than the guitar lol. It plays great though and it was fun doing it. I have more expensive guitars already . I had a good time working on it, though, and play it more than my other guitars. If i ever get rid of it I'll take all my parts off and put back all the crap. Nothing wrong with having a good set of tuners and pickups laying around.
@ThanatosL1e
@ThanatosL1e 7 месяцев назад
If you backed up the treble strings part of the brige from the post, you might get a few mm, or 64ths on the intonation or the bass side, not be much.. but might just be enougth to get intonated.
@samizdat113
@samizdat113 4 месяца назад
To answer the question in the title... Hell yes it is.
@thesay5663
@thesay5663 7 месяцев назад
Strike 2 on the intonation! Don’t settle ! Fix it !
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 7 месяцев назад
Hahaha I definitely plan to 😉
@mikejessup9304
@mikejessup9304 7 месяцев назад
The only place I’ve found to buy these are at Guitar Garden, but I don’t see any like this one. Anywhere else?
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 7 месяцев назад
They sometimes sell on Amazon, but I bought this one from Guitars Garden. The way the website works is they make batches of guitars and then sell out of them, so if you go back in 6 months, then there will be different guitars on the website.
@LightWingStudios
@LightWingStudios 8 месяцев назад
Great video...btw..."Clean" means NO DISTORTION at all. :) I have one of these with a Floyd Rose. Decent out of the box BUT I notice the Matte Black finish is a fingerprint magnet.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
I probably should have clarified that the clean is “as clean as this metal machine will go” hahaha
@user-cq7kl8ru4v
@user-cq7kl8ru4v Месяц назад
Why didn’t you ever do the sound off Between them?
@DirtyMikeTM
@DirtyMikeTM 6 месяцев назад
You should shield the pickup areas
@Only2genders43
@Only2genders43 6 месяцев назад
I keep seeing these videos asking of its worth modding cheap guitars. If you like the guitar, and you're confident that modding them to your taste will make them play/sound the way you want then it is absolutely worth modding it. The price of the guitar doesn't matter. Not all cheap guitars are junk, and not all expensive guitars are good.
@timesurfingalien
@timesurfingalien Месяц назад
Considering that an equivalent Gibson would be at minimum 2 to 3 k, I'd say," YES" it is worth it!!!!!
@duanepetersonakaroadkill7161
@duanepetersonakaroadkill7161 8 месяцев назад
We all know that the grounding issue with HB guitars is the plating on the hardware where the ground wire contacts the tailpiece or plug. Easy fix. But they shipped thousands of guitars like this. Makes you wonder who's in control of quality control or final checks. Obviously never plugged in or listened to. But they shipped thousands with grounding issues.
@bradshannon862
@bradshannon862 6 месяцев назад
Yes. Ut's worth it.
@davids2629
@davids2629 8 месяцев назад
Do you think a bigsby would fit in one of these?
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
I would assume so, you could always get the vibramate bigsby that doesn’t require you to drill into your guitar to test fit it first
@DaringDan
@DaringDan 8 месяцев назад
What's the name of the bridge you put on there? I have a project guitar I'd love to try that on. Great video. Cheers!
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
It’s called the J.D. moon Roller Bridge I got on Amazon but I wouldn’t recommend it because it could get me fully intonated in drop C as well it was not easy to adjust intonation and then I had to modify so much of it by removing the paint.
@DaringDan
@DaringDan 8 месяцев назад
@@Bruddermane Thanks for the heads up!
@bluematrix5001
@bluematrix5001 5 месяцев назад
The new Pickups sounds better
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 5 месяцев назад
Thanks!
@2dazetake
@2dazetake 8 месяцев назад
I'm not a fan of that style of roller bridge,besides if it's not trem, I have no use for one on an LP so much easier to intonate an abr or tuneomatic bridge, I have an elite champagne pink metallic firefly with Seymore Duncans too,nice guitars once you mod them.
@oldasrocks9121
@oldasrocks9121 8 месяцев назад
Suggestion: get nickel steel humbucker covers, brass is not your tonal friend. Mojotone, Philadelphia Luthier Supply, others. Tie your system ground to your control cavity shielding, solder a lead to a pot back and screw it into the side of the cavity with a small panhead and a washer. That will diminish the ground hum if not eliminate it. The Duncans are 111% better. You might get a margin of improvement on the originals pulling the brass covers and changing the brass backplates for nickel, def a cheaper option and worth exploring.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 7 месяцев назад
I'll try this out. Thanks!
@jesterraj
@jesterraj 7 месяцев назад
Any uneven frets or buzzin??
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 6 месяцев назад
No, not that I have noticed! It's been sweet!
@_Yep_Yep_
@_Yep_Yep_ 8 месяцев назад
"Worth it" and guitars should be tenuously employed together. Once you get over the initial Value Proposition (may take weeks, years) and the guitar won a position on the team, juice it up with no expectation of getting your money back.
@z-9693
@z-9693 7 месяцев назад
Your mic volume relative to your project background music is very low. I'd say the music is too loud in the mix but maybe your mic levels are low due to placement or your cold. It forces me to increase volume to hear what you're saying and the get blasted with the music. The viewer experience would benefit from mic auto-gain or level matching mic to music in the mix.
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 7 месяцев назад
I’ll keep that in mind as I keep making videos. Thanks for the input!
@MatthewFant
@MatthewFant 8 месяцев назад
Flip your bridge around. It’s backwards
@vincentsantiago2gmai
@vincentsantiago2gmai 8 месяцев назад
Can you send me the serial number for that guitar for that I could send it to the to the company for them for they could send me the same one
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
I'm not sure they work like that. By my understanding, they make large batches of a guitar or guitars and then sell out and that's it. That's why scalpers loved these guitars.
@ivanriverajr5012
@ivanriverajr5012 5 месяцев назад
Once they sell out its gone bro.
@bluematrix5001
@bluematrix5001 5 месяцев назад
you should fix the intonation.... that is a big issue
@samizdat113
@samizdat113 4 месяца назад
Full size pots does not equal quality pots.
@samizdat113
@samizdat113 4 месяца назад
Sweet. Yeah, there are much better beginner guitars out there. The problem with "beginner" guitars is that people cheap out. One of the worst things you can do is try to learn on a problematic guitar.
@daviddigital6887
@daviddigital6887 8 месяцев назад
You can get a better sounding guitar cheaper than firefly
@Bruddermane
@Bruddermane 8 месяцев назад
Oh really? Do you have a brand or referral? I am very interested :)
@snupi_nut
@snupi_nut 12 дней назад
No ! None of you are good enough to max out that guitar ! Stop lying to yourself.
@timcobb1752
@timcobb1752 8 месяцев назад
You messed up, you didn't put shielding in your pickup cavities. You probably also missed the three way switch cavity. You can not intonate a guitar until it is strung and tuned. This is done by checking the tuning open, then at one octave. And.... your first guitar tone needs to be a clean one, not a distorted one. PERIOD. Distortion will negate anything you did, you can have the cheapest hardware and it not make a bit of difference with high gain distortion. The only thing that will be the type of magnets in the pickup, which effects how the signal compresses.
@timcobb1752
@timcobb1752 8 месяцев назад
Ok, I walked away and decided I needed to come back and say more. 1. Your method is unscientific in it's approach. We the viewers have no idea what this guitar sounds like prior to your modifications, whether you did this in a previous video or not, sampling the tonal qualities of the guitar prior to altering it gives someone who just stumbles across this video something to go from. 2. anything in your signal path could be the culprit for your "grounding issues". From your amplification, to your power, to the cables, your guitar or even your lighting. 3.I have friends who fall victim to the same mentality of I need expensive name brand components... Well no, once you understand how potentiometers work, you would probably rather buy an inexpensive quality pot, than one that just has a flashy name brand on it. 4. Again this will reference those same friends mentality. Changing components inside a guitar makes no sense if you are playing through a cheap amp like a Crate GX-15. The quality of the amplification matters as much or MORE than your guitars guts. I can tell this is an area you have not realized by your here, this is how the guitar sounds after all this work demonstration. Yeah, starting off with a high gain distortion sound tells me a lot. 5. Why clean? If a guitar doesn't sound good clean, then it won't sound good distorted. If a guitar and amp sound good clean, then if the amps distorted tones don't cut it, you can certainly find any number of effects that will get you where you want to be. Now does any of that mean that there may have been issues with the guitar itself? I dunno
@BazonBlades
@BazonBlades 8 месяцев назад
"We the viewers?" Who exactly are you talking about? I think you sound a little insane. So don't speak for me. It's just a video on how he modded his guitar. It's just entertainment. It's not science.
@timcobb1752
@timcobb1752 8 месяцев назад
@@BazonBlades A bit touchy about things meant for the creator NOT you.
@BazonBlades
@BazonBlades 8 месяцев назад
@@timcobb1752, yep. ..Absolutely insane.
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