Is Kratos More Powerful Than Ever Before in God Of War Ragnarok? 

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You keep forgetting Kratos is being like this is because he has nothing to lose he has atreus and rage and bloodlust won't help his son now if someone killed his son atreus he'd probably go back to his old ways

Yo i have a question. Are you able to calculate flash Barry Allen in dark crisis Big bang one shot comic. It shows flash traveling through the infinite multiverse and punching the anti monitor from universe 28-3 and universe 3 to universe 789. Flash also states he holds back the infinite mass punch. He cannot charge it for anymore than a instant as space and time would be destroyed. Anyway I'm just asking.

I have a question key issues so are you saying that midgard and the greece are in there own pocket dimension too or is it that the gods only can manipulate that area of the world for example does fimblewinter only effect like norway and the other norse realms and not the rest of the world im still a little confused on that part

Ok but didn't Ares make the Blade of Chaos, Athena made the Blades of Exile and Zeus made the Blade of Olympus. That said wouldn't that make Haephestus' weapons decidedly inferior to those made by stronger Gods? Besides that, The Blades of Chaos/Exile are no more powerful than The Leviathan Axe or Mjolnir so it's kind of a moot point.

@@justinanderson2460 Hephaestus was the one that created the lightning bolts Zeus uses based on actual mythology

@@justinanderson2460 I think what he's saying is that there is a difference between the gods creating weapons and mortals creating weapons. Whereas the gods can create divine weapons without the help of others, dwarves need the assistance of a divine being to create weapons on a level rivaling said divine weapons. Both makes sense and it is awesome dwarves have the capabilities of creating weapons of that level

@@drfate2827 I thought the Cyclops made those.

@@printezstroman they did along with the helm og invincibility and the trident

In morse mythology even Demi gods are still considered gods by them, consider magni and modi, both only being minor half gods or at least that’s how I remember mimir regarding them in 2018

Considering how many times kratos has been "killed", resurrected and empowered by other gods and primordial beings... He's probably more "god" than mortal. in game I think his power is halved since the Greek realm is gone but considering he was strong enough to kill his entire pantheon that put him on the level of the Asgardians... Honestly it seems like the Giants were closer to Olympians in abilities but were mostly builders/creators, not warriors.

@@jessekedar+ Why does it seem so hard to accept that the game's devs have already confirmed mt iople times Kratos is stronger now than ever? Instead people insist on doing mental gymnastics and selectivelymisconstruing statements to get a different answer. . Still, I'll try and give the short version of the explanation as to why Kratos is still God still and why he can be more powerful despite losing his magic. At the end of GoW 3, Kratos finally regains his Godhood when he stabs himself with the Blade of Olympus. He absorbs his powers back while releasing the Power of Hope. You can even see at the very end that the Blade of Olympus is left completely drained and powerless and Kratos leaves it there when he leaves Greece. . That said, his lack of magic is a different story. Remember Kratos had a LOT of help in the form of magical abilities, blessings, weapons and artifacts granted to him across the course of GoW 1-3. By the time the game ends though every source of power for those weapons, artifacts and magical abilities are all dead... because y'know... Kratos killed them all. Because of this, all his various weapons that were empowered by those beings lost that power. What little remained were destroyed by Zeus destroys at the end of the game anyway. It's important to note that that Greek Gods' magic is tied to their lands as Freya said so when Greece was "destroyed" their magic went with it however there's more to it than that. We see throughout the game's that as the Gods die, all their works come undone. After the Primordials formed the universe, the Titans rose up and took the mantle of lords of creation and gave basic form and shape to the world, adding the first foundations of order to it - like Cronos introducing time to the universe. When the Olympians took over, they bound and ordered the world even further. So when they were killed, that order was broken. We see this throughout the game's like when Helios is killed, the Sun itself dies and falls from the sky. When Poseidon dies, the sea rises up and floods the Earth and so on. By the time he's finished, Kratos has killed all of the beings who were responsible for applyinf order to the land and so the land was functionally destroyed and/or dead and reverted back to the chaotic, primeval state from before even the coming of the Titans. Basically, the death of the Gods destroyed the lands and with the destruction of the lands, their magic (which was drawn from the very lands they ordered as Freya mentioned) were also lost. . However, while these factors prevented Kratos from summoning his old magics, he was still the God of War and as an Olympian God, he only grows in power ad he ages so he's more powerful on a personal level than he ever was in GoW 1-3 - he just doesn't have the more esoteric/elemental magic he used to anymore. Again though, that was almost entirely granted to him by others with the one exception of when he was a fully empowered God of War but that only lasted between the end of GoW 1 and the beginning of GoW 2. Outside of that, all his magic was granted by others and when they died, he lost access to it. By the time he got his Godhood back, magic was more or less dead with the Greek Lands being destroyed so all he had left was his divine physiology and the Power of his rage as the God of War. . As for the Jötnar, you're kind of correct. Much like in the Norse Myths, the Jötnar are almost like the Titans in a way. They are direct spawns of the Primordial being Ymir and are more like personifications of the forces of nature rather than the Gods of a Pantheon and they are more chaotic than ordered in the sense that they are all about working with nature and the world as it is rather than trying to impose some kind of order on it. However, like a lot of the Olympians, they do seem to possess more elemental magic than the Aesir over all as the Vanir are the Gods of Nature and Fertility and such while the Aesir are more war-like Gods who favour martial power over esoteric power and what magic they do have aside from Odin's (since gathering knowledge and learning magic was like... Odin's obsession) is usually limited to a specific province or ability.

@@justbegoodlito+ There are no demi-gods in Norse Myths like there are in the Greek Myths. Occasionally there are mortals who are granted the right to come to Asgard and stay there (and it's implied in some cases that they become more than mortal as a result) but the idea of say... and Aesir having a child with a mortal who is then a half God doesn't really exist like it does in the Greek Sagas. Aesir and Giant blood mixing doesn't create a "demi-god" as it would more or less be the equivalent of an Olympian having a child with a Titan - although even this analogy is not an exact one, just the closest I can think of to give a rough idea as the Jötnar are something akin to the Titans of Greece since they're more chaotic in nature than the Aesir Gods and they operate by working with the world almost like little personifications of the forces of nature rather than Gods who impose order on the world. You have the Vanir who are the legit Gods of Nature and Fertility and such but even they bring a degree of order with them that the Jötnar do not. It's also why the Jötnar possess magics that even Odin does not as they are more tied to the Earth than anyone - even the Vanir - in a very primal way and as Freya mentions in the game, magic is tied to the Earth/lands. . Magni and Modi are only "lesser" gods in the sense that they aren't as powerful as Gods like Baldr, Heimdall, Freya, Thor and Odin. They are 3 parts Aesir and 1 part Jötun due to their father's blood but in time they would have grown in power just like all the Gods do. . Basically, the idea of genealogy doesn't really apply in a consistent or standardised way in the Norse myths as blood doesn't get diluted in the same way when it mixes between Aesir, Vanir and Jötnar. It just makes different Gods, not weaker ones. The individual power of each God is less about their genealogy overall; instead being more about how powerful their parents are specifically and how close they are to the central Aesir bloodline of Buri - who realistically, is the only pure blooded Aesir to exist.

@@justinanderson2460 I basically said thats why he was so strong. Was just not trying to leave an entire theory under someone's comment. Some of the blessings and curses and Magicks of his pantheon had to still be in him, otherwise (I think) he wouldn't still have the ashes of his family on his skin since that's supposed to be a curse. And while it's still an unconfirmed theory, I figured we all assumed that Kratos is several centuries older In this series to allow for him to regain significant physical strength in spite of his loss of the more fantastic powers.

If you just watched the video instead of being an idiot, a lot of your arguments would be put to waste

@@kombatman8802 i watched the video, however power scaling is very subjective. Like why does Kratos struggle opening up loot crates when hes a literal god.

@@justingmys8851 That’s such a stupid argument. Him struggling to opening loot boxes is related to gameplay not actual cutscenes which are canon.

I haven't heard the creators of god of war state that the norse pantheon is similar in power to that of the greek pantheon. For now, I'm calling cap. But we'll see. Unless you provide a link to where they said it?

You can't be calm and angry at the same time.

False. Only instance where its confirmed kratos is holding back is up to the point where atreus learns he is a god. And wtf are u talking about going back to his old self? Kratos learned control and focus he can use his rage masterfully in battle and without the risk of losing himself. Thor left bc he wasnt allowed to kill kratos and when he realized kratos was pissed he knew if they fight it would be to the death which is confirmed in the last fight where thor says this time im allowed to kill you. Why would kratos hold back against odin or thor when atreus is literally in danger and against odin all lives in the 9 realms are in danger so literally zero reason to hold back. And everyone saying that devs confirmed kratos is holding back is lying. There are zero statements from writers that say he holds back. And odin soloed kratos and atreus. Only after freya joins the fight they can win. Implying odin is stronger wich makes sense. Tanking countelss hits from kratos and taking an axe to the shoulder and just standing up and binding him to the ground

@@curiouspanda873he is holding back. No matter what you say, if Atreus got into even more danger, that’s when kratos probably would let go of his restrains and go all out.

@@charlievazquez5124 no he isnt holding back. This is just the fandoms created headcanon for some reason. Thank god i actually have a workimg brain

The new gow maybe...trash

@@curiouspanda873 nobody vares.we want gow.its a f game not ya brother.....

He never seemed like he was scared of thor, i think it makes way more sense of him just being scared of himself.

The answer is yes, he is the strongest he has ever been at the end of ragnarok. The devs said so. People that want to argue against the creators of whatever media it is arent even worth trying to debate. No amount of facts or indisputable evidence will be heard by them lol. Kratos meat riders are so delusional 😂

@@zzzxxx4295 He taunted Thor when he asked him if Thor has heard of his past and said "then you know what I'm capable of." He also taunted Odin. He doesn't give two shits. He's just scared to fall back to his old ways.

Kratos did say he was scared for his son of his own rage, I think he sees it as disease, unbridled uncontrollable negative emotion

Kratos doesn't want to be a destroyer like he was before which is why he's controlling his rage, some people also say that he doesn't want to show his real powers and destructive capabilities to Atreus and is scared to repeat his mistake of killing his family and being a bad father.

Strength ≠ power

Atlas was physically stronger than Kronos, but Kronos wields greater magical ability.

Physically yeah. But that doesn’t put him above Cronos who would out hax him and is more smarter.

@@jasonmarshall4522 tbf I never mentioned power

Atlas is still the physically strongest of the Titans in GoW as well.

I don't think Kratos is younger but he would definitely look better. For god, it's important for them to be wise rather than young. Take Zeus for example, If not counting the fact that he tries to kill Kratos, every word of him has power in it not to mention he looks much wiser than Odin because his evil deed wasn't exposed as much as Odin has so his followers are far more genuine than what Odin has. At least that's what I think.

@@sinistor3727 I'm not saying he is younger. But if you pay attention to the last mural of him being worshipped, he's seen without his beard like when he was young. It's subtle, but a very nice detail most completely miss.

This is even better to read after the Valhalla DLC!

He still uses Rage, he's mastered it. He no longer blindly attacks with sheer strength like he did in Greece whenever his anger was triggered. That's how he killed his first family, after all, blind rage.

I think one of the creators said that they had to make gameplay concessions

@@riacal7754 If he is shown _in the game_ to move millions of pounds, he shouldn't struggle with a tree 🥲 But maybe I'm wrong, just my opinion

I've always seen it as being situational. Kratos is as strong as he needs to be in that moment.

@@blutadlerx he flipped the temple of tyr and when baldur was trying to steal atreus Kratos ran and open doors so fast so I think he does everything calculated even opening doors

I've been wondering about that and came up with a weird theory: Kratos' strength is as great as we've seen, but his body reacts to those pressures like a mortal. So it's as hard to open a giant stone door for him as it is for anyone else, but he has the strength to push through it. So his muscles would have to endure incredible strain to do stuff like move the bridge and flip the temple; it's as hard for him as it would be for a mortal. But he's a god, so just pushes through the difficulty.

In the Next Saga, Athena with the Higher Existence will be probably the main villains , so Kratos will meet again Athena. Fallen God is a clue for this.

Kratos is not actually old. He is ageless and immortal. He only looks older because his state of mind is that of a father figure mortal man. Similar to how Zeus looked old. But both kratos and Zeus do not age

@@trevor3013 when was it stated that they don't age?

@@beyond648 because he is a god and the gods dont age

He’s not old just tempered lol

@@trevor3013 that’s true and you’re right about that

he’s weak af, bro is wind level. Give him all the weapons from GOW3 and old kratos going down to the nursery home. You can’t ignore his old feats, his bloodlust. now he’s a weeny.

@@Jesus-ps4db I kinda agree to youur statement. Rage and bloodlust was his primary motivator that's why he's stronger before, now he's much more controlled and compassionate.

@@Jesus-ps4db the greek gods actually get stronger the older they get so yeah. plus he basically just did in another pantheon young kratos likely still would have won because the greeks were stronger but i digress hes stronger now then ever. controlled rage will always trump blind rage

@@yungkidjc8592 Thats like saying Pissed off Hulk

@@Jesus-ps4db frrr

Its canonically stated in the GoW1 novel that they make him stronger and faster every time he kills someone with them.

His strength isnt just him. There is a lot of magic power ups and training involved

Your head canon is wrong. You ignored blatant showings. The blades of chaos are powered with primordial magic, stated to be way more powerful than the Levithan axe and Mjolir. They also make him physically stronger. Kratos went from being killed by a hit from Mjolir by a holding back Thor, to no selling a hit from an enraged Thor. Kratos literarily was one shotted by a beast, and could do no damage to it. But with the blades he tanked attacks from it and could easily rip through it.

@@newhybrid101 Exactly.

@@kombatman8802 He died because he was also holding back. This was stated in game. When Kratos beats Thor in their second battle, he never uses his blades, only the axe.

There are also statements from the current writers and director that he is weaker now. So, they wash out.

There's statements for both. One says he's stronger physically in the new timeline. The other says young kratos is stronger and more powerful. I use logic. Current krstos states he cannot use any magic or power from the Greek pantheon. Young kratos had more magic and aggression and could possibly win.

So you 2 please link where the devs have said that stuff about young kratos?

@@themostpowertwitterhasever8603 go find it

@@KeyIssues don’t remember them ever mentioning that Kratos is weaker now. Only the opposite.

nice headcanon

Actually, the blade of olympus needs to be "recharged" every now and then. That's why Zeus tells kratos to draw his powers into the blade, and athena says "Let the rage of Sparta FUEL your blade, kratos". Zeus and kratos were probably the most suited users of the blade of Olympus, since Zeus could gather the energy of the environment around him and Kratos would use the energy of his rage.

@@lauwphoda Indeed, but that impleis Kratos was already tapping into the rage, either in combat, to fuel the blade, or both at the same time.

Yes and on top of that there’s Reddit Q&A’s about this kratos became the god of war again at the end of gow3 and has only lost his Greek weapons and the extra god given abilities now all that remains is his basic god powers and spartan rage

This

@@juanyeat859this one does that also 😂 he just doesnt steal their weapons…

Is your opinion canon in the game. No. Such privledge.

Creator's words are hyperbolic if his creation does not corroborate his statement, where does it say in the god of war series that Kratos gets stronger with time and age?

@@donarthunaraz9361 Literally a fact in Mythology lol

@@jamarispinner5320 it doesn't mean that it also applies to god of war because the games are not 100% accurate to the mythology.

@@donarthunaraz9361 Literally stated by the devs he is stronger than ever, it was also stated that he holds back, you can deny it all you want but it’s true

@@donarthunaraz9361 Also just because not everything in Gow is accurate doesn’t mean anything, you may deny he doesn’t grow stronger with age, but there’s no way you can deny that he doesn’t grow old

I wish he didn't hold back so it would feel more like Greek kratos

yeah this guy says that with the blades of chaos hes more stronger. which wasn't and isn't the case. in the first fight with thor he was prepared to fight thor but on the terms of subduing him and if it came to it killing him he even stated which this guy didn't mention of how if the fight reached its conclusion then none of them would like it. kratos lost his shit because thor was mocking him and finally drove him to that state of rage thats why kratos felt so defeated because what if he stayed in that state and actually killed thor with his bare hands yeah the job would be done but all the progress he made trying to control himself would be lost and hed feel like a failure. and he says since kratos said "lets finish the journey while i still have strength", didn't mean physically it meant he was losing his strength mentally because he killed freyas son right in front of her and he didn't want it to come to that conclusion especially in front of his son because thats gonna stain his mind. he didn't want to fight Thor nor Odin nor any god in the first place its their choices that even got him to join the game. greek gods in gow get stronger as they grow older, kratos in the comics wasn't at his full rage he didnt even wanna kill the beasts so he threw a punch and got knocked back and there the blades were because they are tied to him his endless rage and thirst for revenge and destruction and chaos reveled in the blades and always will the blades as themselves are stronger the reason he was destroying Thor is not because he was had the blades but because he was way more aligned to the plan and was way more prepared and ready for a rematch and used more of his power, enough to subdue Thor. it wasn't because of the blades for example kratos killing magni without the blades which is where he got ticked off. he wont use his fullest unless atreus or anything close to him by blood is getting hurt and its absolutely called for. the reason why he took a hit from Mjolnir from a blood lusted Thor is not because of the blades its because hes mastered his rage and used more of his strength and power. his power isn't waving its getting bigger and bigger and hes getting to the point of fully mastering it.

@@theonlydon- agreed 💯

It doesn’t matter if he holds back. If he were to go 100% all out he still wouldn’t be stronger than his younger self. His young self has more hax and more physical strength amps.

@@kombatman8802 ?

This. MANY people seem to believe that more showy/flashy means more powerful and this just isn't true. From feats, Thor could solo any of the Titans without TOO much trouble and likely kill any of the Olympians too with the exception of maybe Zeus. The fact that Kratos isn't fighting physically massive opponents most of the time in GoW 2018 and Ragnarok or we don't see the Aesir throwing around massive energy attacks and shit makes people somehow draw the conclusion that they must be less powerful when a proper analysis of their showings, feats and scaling very much indicates otherwise.

Justin Anderson By their logic, even the Olympians would scale to only ~island level and get washed by the confirmed universal level primordials. In every fictional media pretty much ever, attack potency =/= AoE.

@@justinanderson2460 Bruno Velazquez has confirmed that Thor and Poseidon are in a similiar level. And he confirmed that Zeus and Odin is the best fight. Titans by feats and Lore are much stronger than Jotuns, with exceptions like Skatoor, Thamur and Faye.

@@christiancinnabars1402+ This is a flawed argument in 2 ways. Firstly, the entirety of the Primordials as a race could be argued to be universal but individually, that's not the case. The universe was created from them over eons of conflict where their very essences were broken and scattered to great the physical universe. Any argument for universal attack potency from them (particularly on and individual level) is fallacious. . Secondly, scale does not equal potency. It CAN, but only when comparing things of the same nature (like nuclear explosions for example). That goes right put the window here when we're talking about mythical gods further adapted to a fictional medium and then you throw in reality bending magic into the mix as well. Also, I would like to introduce you to Dragon Ball where power suppression and the ability to focus the potency of attacks into [relatively] a miniscule scale is one of the key aspects of the entire power scale in the entire series.

@@vincenzoaquino8299+ Of course Odin and Zeus are the best fights, they are the Skyfathers of he Pantheons and undisputedly the most powerful of either of their respective Pantheons. . I would like to get an actual reference to Thor being stated as "Poseidon level" as this is news to me. Having said that, Kratos had exactly 0 chance against Poseidon without Gaia's help anyway so.... . Regardless, I'll wait for the statement because this would clear up a lot of things assuming it hasn't been taken out of context or some such.

Immesurable speed? OUTERVERSAL=IRRELEVANT SPEED

Yes exactly

No. The Blades have NEVER been either shown or stated to be more powerful than the Leviathan Axe or Mjolnir. This is a fan theory, nothing more and it's not at all supported by any of the game's lore without being disingenuous.

@@justinanderson2460 “Fan theory” no this is you failing to do research. Read chapter 36 of the novel and all of this stuff is even stated in game. BLADES OF CHAOS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE LEVIATHAN AXE The top passage is from chapter 36. Freya is telling Kratos that in order to succeed in finding his son's cure in Helheim, he would need a weapon more powerful than the axe to do it. So Kratos decided that he needs to pick back up the Blades of Chaos to do the job. In addition to this being an implication of the Blade of Chaos being more powerful than the Leviathan Axe, the other circled highlighted statements assist in that. The Blades of Chaos are reiterated as being indestructible. Being stated that they could never be broken or even dulled, and that the power within them could never die or be silenced. In comparison, the Leviathan Axe is not stated to be indestructible at all, in fact the dwarven smith Brok both in the game and in the novel states that the Axe needs careful handling or it can be wrecked beyond fixing. So since the Axe is stated to be equal to Mjolnir, this implies that the Blades of Chaos are superior to both, more evidence of this is found in how flabbergasted and impressed Brok was at the mere sight of the Blades of Chaos, even though he made both the Axe and Mjolnir, he singled out the blades of chaos as "special."

​@@kombatman8802 It's not that Kratos needed a weapon stronger than the axe, it's just because he needed strong fire, this doesn't imply strength

@@TheCookieCrewCV Its channeling primordial fire so it’s more powerful. And not only that Brok implied the blades of chaos are beyond anything he’s created. We also know the axe needs to be handled correctly or it will break beyond repair. The blades on the other hand are stated to be indestructible.

And this Kratos fought on par with Thor who broke space time with a blow.. broke space time.. ya Kratos is stronger now

The devs said themselves that old kratos would crush young kratos

@@eugenejamesbon5791 Source?

@@goodnesswhy Cory barlog literally said In an interview Scandinavian kratos is the strongest version ever seen.

While director statement can be used to reinforce scaling… actual feats will always be considered more reliable than statements.

The answer is no... I've been having this argument since Ragnarok came out. People keep saying Kratos is more powerful now but there aren't any examples to prove it. GoW 3 Kratos feat wise is the most impressive and in my personal opinion the most powerful iteration of Kratos.

@Noah Becker Yeah, like people are just relying on implications and dev talk to justify why Old Kratos is stronger without actually taking into account the feats, abilities, and weapons. With Young Kratos, we actually SEE his power and the impossible feats he accomplished, but with Old Kratos, people need to reach beyond dev interviews to get confirmation his stronger, so that any opposing claim can be dismissed with "the devs said it."

@@YEY0806 Fuckin' A... right you are, my friend. This has been the point I've been trying to get across to people for weeks 🙌🏻

I don't know if any Greek God can compare to Thor sending the world serpent through time with a hit and shattering the world tree (which contains infinite universes)

@@OK-yy6qz Right? Like doesn’t this just one shot any argument that says otherwise? No one from the Greek pantheon has done anything like that 😂

he’s not slower, to be fast you have to put strength in your body to move, and his body shape doesn’t determine what he can do, as he’s mentioned that with atreus

It sucked

WTH do you even know about thor?

Thor's feat is far higher. GOW got a major upgrade with damaging the Yggdrasil, as it's a construct that has mere strands which surpass time and space and romains numerous infinite space-times. It's far larger than the Greek cosmology.

@@djrocksgaming6255 i must say, defeating fear Zeus who is the physical manifestation of all fear in existence whilst simultaneously siphoning the power of all Hope in existence is probably Kratos’s best feat as in that example he has total domain over the entire concept of hope.

@@RAGE-OF-SPARTA-X Concepts vary in strength depending on the range of it (this was only Hope as a concept in the Greece world) and how concepts actually work in the verse, as not every verse treats concepts as being particularly strong. So Kratos being empowered by the concept of Hope and defeating fear (a power he only had for a single moment) isn't really much of a feat itself. The Yggdrasil contains and transcends the concepts of time, space, life, death, rebirth, etc while containing multiple infinite universes, and Thor cracks it right open *as collateral*. That's definitely a much higher feat. There's just really no way that you could really treat the Hope feat as being actually better. Thor managing to kill Kratos after gaining in godly power over the years (he is stated numerous times to be an actual god and has lived for centuries, so he gets stronger over time like the others) is consistent with Fear!Zeus doing the same, which Base!Zeus was incapable of doing, as well as Kratos' statement of Thor's power plus the statement of Baldur being even more formidable than Zeus. Really, it's just massively consistent that the Norse greatly outmuscle the Greeks. The only things the Greeks had over the Norse is versatility and the Sisters of Fate, who were also #1 in the Greek World, so they can't really be used to scake the Olympians.

@@djrocksgaming6255 i would say the Norse are definitely better fighters than the Greeks, Thor, Heimdall, Odin, the Valkyries, the Enhenijar, the Vanir, the Dwarves, if you combine all of these forces and turn them against the Greeks, Olympus would fall. Anything Kratos learned/figured out on his journey in GOW 1, 2 and 3 Odin would be capable of learning quicker. He has the IQ/Brainpower to outhink zeus. The Aesir alone would probably be enough to bring down Olympus if you include Baldur and Magni and Modi. Overall, the Norse are much better fighters, the Olympians had lots of Brute strength but they lacked strategy and intelligence, that’s why they have no standing army to fight for them.

who are you? Why are you talking?

If he was a full god he would be able to turn giant or become a fireball like in the GoW2 opening. He became strong as a full god

No that’s wrong. It’s like you didn’t even play the games. Zeus sealed his godly powers into the blade of Olympus and all of his magic was drained. He literally said he had none of his old magic anymore.

@@newhybrid101+ Untrue. Kratos got his Godhood back at the end of GoW 3 when he stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus and you can even see the Blade completely drained and abandoned at the end of the game after that. The issue is that with the death of the Greek Gods, all their works came undone and the order they imposed upon the world was broken. When this happened, Greece basically came apart at the seams and was destroyed and as Freya explains, magic is tied to the Earth so when the Greek Lands were destroyed, Kratos' magic went with it. However, he still has his divine Olymlian physiology which is what allows him to grow stronger over time. The reason none of his blessing and/or gifts still worked was due to all of the beings/sources of power behind them all being dead - because... y'know... Kratos killed them all. As for his weapons/artifacts, Zeus broke them all in their final fight.

@@dre_k0+ To save me having to re-type the same thing in different words, I'll just copy-paste my own comment here: Untrue. Kratos got his Godhood back at the end of GoW 3 when he stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus and you can even see the Blade completely drained and abandoned at the end of the game after that. The issue is that with the death of the Greek Gods, all their works came undone and the order they imposed upon the world was broken. When this happened, Greece basically came apart at the seams and was destroyed and as Freya explains, magic is tied to the Earth so when the Greek Lands were destroyed, Kratos' magic went with it. However, he still has his divine Olymlian physiology which is what grants him his godly strength, durability etc and allows him to grow stronger over time. The reason none of his blessing and/or gifts still worked was due to all of the beings/sources of power behind them all being dead - because... y'know... Kratos killed them all. As for his weapons/artifacts, Zeus broke them all in their final fight.

@@kombatman8802+ Lol here we go again. It seems I'm gonna have to follow you through all these different threads to correct your misinformation. . Untrue. Kratos got his Godhood back at the end of GoW 3 when he stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus and you can even see the Blade completely drained and abandoned at the end of the game after that. The issue is that with the death of the Greek Gods, all their works came undone and the order they imposed upon the world was broken. When this happened, Greece basically came apart at the seams and was destroyed and as Freya explains, magic is tied to the Earth so when the Greek Lands were destroyed, Kratos' magic went with it. However, he still has his divine Olymlian physiology which is what allows him to grow stronger over time. The reason none of his blessing and/or gifts still worked was due to all of the beings/sources of power behind them all being dead - because... y'know... Kratos killed them all. As for his weapons/artifacts, Zeus broke them all in their final fight.

the dev made it to be this way...

With respect, the feats you're mentioning are the definition of outliers as his consistent showings RADICALLY contradict these as do all of the handbooks, the official wiki and so on. . I'm interested to hear your reasoning to the contrary.

No this is head canon. It just allows him to use primordial magic, it doesn’t restore him back to his prime which is GOW3 Kratos.

Walking

There is a comic coming out very shortly that outlines his journey between Greece and the Norselands. We plan to loosely cover it when it drops.

@@KeyIssues 👀👀👀👌🔥

@@ItsButterBean1020 🤣

@@KeyIssues Wait, where did you hear about this?

I think you’re thinking of Viltrumites

@@KeyIssues could have sworn thor said something about gods getting stronger with age in a cartoon.

@@NoWayJose24 you mean in the marvel cartoon that has absolutely nothing to do with god of war? That cartoon?

@@homer886 yes exactly, that cartoon

@@NoWayJose24only in marvel

The Greek gods are objectively way stronger than Norse they're not even comparable, zeus single handedly can take them down alone let alone with the help of Poseidon or Hades

There is good reason Odin feared Kratos.

@@literallyvergil1686they can’t the Norse gods are above young kratos who beat up the Greek pantheon

@@sidecharacter7165when was it stated Odin feared Zeus? You don’t fight someone you fear bad you don’t taunt someone you fear and you don’t pull up to someone’s house and act like you own the place if you fear them. You kratos fans have a way of overhyping him

@@legendseeker6944how are they above him in any way? Kratos has pretty easily destroyed them while still holding back, and none of the norse gods showed as much destructive power as any of the greek gods

Sup?

No

Yeah that's a bout right

I don’t like to believe so

@@henrynoble459 it's not

Yes. Brok say that they are special and he literally mentions Mijonir to compare the Blades power.

Current gow fans apparently don’t use logic

Ah yes. The story of many 20yo men.

Yeah but only slightly stronger than Cronos. Cronos makes up for it with his hax and intelligence tho.

No it's not

Current still does, keep up.

He almost beat Zeus tho without using hope but Athena had to intervene and Zeus escaped

*lmao

Odin isn’t equals to Zeus. Bruno Velasquez only stated that a fight between Odin and Zeus would make more sense than Zeus and Thor. If you want to make an accurate scaling, it’d be Hope Kratos > Fear Zeus > Corrupted Athena > GOW 3 Kratos > Zeus > Prime Cronos > Hercules. The reason why Corrupted Athena is ranked so high is because she transcended into a plane of higher existence. As for Cronos, him in his fatigued state gave GOW 3 Kratos massive trouble to the point where Kratos accepted that he would die. Now imagine Cronos in his prime with his lightning orbs and his time based abilities. In the novels, Hades with the help of Zeus couldn’t strip away his soul. Now I know Hercules is the most bizarre one. But in the official GOW 3 Guidebook, it confirms that he was relative to GOW 3 Kratos. Ragnarok Kratos isn’t stronger than his GOW 3 counterpart, and he sure as hell isn’t stronger than his Hope counterpart. Kratos is no longer a full fledged God, and he himself admitted that he’s lost all of his magic. In the novels, it confirms that the Blades Of Athena is stronger than the Blades Of Chaos;, and the Blades Of Exile is an upgraded version of the Blades Of Athena. And he no longer has the Blade Of Olympus, which is strong enough to send enemies to a different dimension, strip away immortalities, and contains his and Athena’s Godhood.

@@SeanAwesomeness “I would imagine that Zeus, being the king of the Greek gods is probably stronger. A better question would be is Odin or Zeus stronger?” that is a statement that implies that there is a debate to be had regardless of a who is stronger me personally I say zues

@@SeanAwesomeness by chance where did you get information on Hercules and cronos can I find it on the web?

@@ty-ray1307 I could send you the scans on Discord.

No. Odin------->Thor----->Zeus. How is Thor weaker than Zeus when he literally killed a stronger Kratos smh.

Thor never fought surtur he only fought the world serpent. Freya and Frery fought surtur .

@@owensilva9224 agreed

thor was not tired he was only flying around the serpent and was only hitting the serpent thor didnt got hit once by the srepent and he didnt fought surtur it was fryer and freya who fought surtur and i dont that a wound from the axe made him weaker by any means and dont forget that he thought that kratos was going to hurt his daughter and went all out against kratos where kratos was still holding his rage back and defeated him and spared his life

Dude that debate doesn't matter kratos beat a full power Thor lol

@@owensilva9224 Yes he did you can see it

He is stronger, people that try to refute this fact are coping.

@@Goat10Solos learn how to power scale .

@@owensilva9224 there is multiple interpretations and arguments saying learn “powerscaling” isn’t an argument.

Yes easily

Prolly

MCU Wanda? Yes, easily. Comic Wanda? No, absolutely not.

​@@primalvelocity3811 Cap either one would wipe him from existence damn yall Kratos fan boys will say anything.

@@williamnunley3493 bruh kratos will litrely erase wanda from existence kratos has defeated much more powerfull reality wrapers kratos will erase her from existence in like 3 seconds you wanda simps are overrating her so much

He’s the best

Young kratos > old kratos

He’s not a god. He doesn’t get stronger as he ages. Being older and wiser doesn’t change anything in this context.

@@owensilva9224 Tomato > Tomato

@@whalehands4779 ?

This world is like ours he just traveled to Europe

There is the world with lands like Greece, Scandinavia, Egypt ,Japan. The difference is that each Pantheon/Land has is own version of the universe.

We’re talking about the games. Not the mythology. Literally stated in the game that Ymir’s corpse was transmuted into the realms.

@@kombatman8802 Mimir specifically says Midgard

Only after he was ascended to Godhood to become the new God of War. He lost these powers at the beginning of God of War 2 but regained them at the end of GoW 3 When he stabbed himself with the Blade of Olympus and in the end credits scene you can see he has abandoned it, leaving it completely drained. . The issue is that with the death of the Greek Gods, all their works came undone and the order they imposed upon the world was broken. When this happened, Greece basically came apart at the seams and was destroyed and as Freya explains, magic is tied to the Earth so when the Greek Lands were destroyed, Kratos' magic went with it. However, he still has his divine Olympian physiology which is what grants him his godly strength, durability, etc and allows him to grow stronger over time. The reason none of his blessing and/or gifts still worked was due to all of the beings/sources of power behind them all being dead - because... y'know... Kratos killed them all. As for his weapons/artifacts, Zeus broke them all in their final fight. . Hope this helps.