The quality of canned beans has undoubtedly declined in recent years. The bean farmers of rural Appalachia and Tibet (just to name some of the big bean farming regions) have started to put quantity over quality. The days of the boutique bean shop have passed and we are now being fed mass market garbanzos and corporate pintos instead of the humble beans of the past. It’s a sad time to live in but Serious Bean Co. is working to change that!
Probably worse because I'm pretty sure they reduced the sugar/salt content. Which is kinda good for health but no so much for that beany tasty goodness.
As someone who absolutely loves 80s metal I'm glad that theres still 80s revival bands like Fortress, Riot City, Antioch, Skull Fist, Air Raid etc. playing the same old 80s style with a modern touch
I love the NWOTHM movement, although I wish some of those bands were a little more innovative. The classic heavy metal formula is great but bands shouldn't be afraid to reinvent themselves whilst staying true to the trad metal roots. I like that Striker is taking risks with some of their more recent material. Their last single had bongos and funk syncopation beneath soaring power metal leads. I'd love to see trad bands take on a jazz or funk influence. I think it would make for some incredibly underrated music.
Yep I'm only 25 and I have a really hard time getting into the new sound. I listen to everything from Black Sabbath, to early Skyclad, Sodom, Fates Warning the list goes on for classic metal but maybe enjoy 20 albums after 2000.
Completely agree here. I love both eras, mainly because my dad got me into all the old school bands before I got into modern acts. It actually goes both ways. My dad is WAY into modern metal that I introduced him to.
It’s like a spectrum, going from the classic era to the modern era. Classic can be represented as yellow, whilst modern can be represented as green. I’m the type of person who most likes and fits in with the yellow to lime green era, and some green stuff as well. I’m more of an oldie for sure, but it’s not impossible for me to adore more recent stuff. Anyways, I’ll have to get back to
That's a very linear way to look at it, as if metal has always been this one thing that was once yellow and since turned green. Instead, I would think it makes more sense to see metal like a tree, with one single trunk that has since diverged into countless different branches. Some branches I really like, other branches I could do without. And any comparison of "which is better?" really doesn't make sense anymore, because which of the hundred branches is the "modern metal" you're comparing the "classic metal" to?
@@frankvandorp2059 Fair point honestly. I mean, time is linear, and time obviously has an effect on metal, but yeah, the linear spectrum I spoke of really doesn’t account for all the outgrown branches much.
I'd say most of the criticisms about modern metal really only apply to the superficial normie bands. Go deeper than Ax7 and Jinjr and you'll find the heritage of classic metal is alive and well. It's thriving even. I'd say we're in something of a new golden age. In twenty years, bands like Power Trip, Tomb Mold, Black Braid, and Bell Witch will become mythic names just as much as Slayer or Priest ever were.
I like classic metal more but I’m not really much of a metal head anyway. But by god, this is way too accurate. When you talked about rock star personalities, I could instantly hear in my mind “despite his talent, Ritchie Blackmore was a miserable git” from your “best and worst things about these bands” video
I’m in the middle tbf. I love both classic and modern. The only problem I have with modern stuff is the genre is over saturated with metalcore which does sound extremely same-y.
Yep and the constant down tuning to low fucking chug shit is not my taste at all. It just takes over the bass side of things and leaves less room for bass guitar in the mix, just making it sound like bean fuelled shit. Classic metal all the way for me
As a zoomer, I started with the modern stuff but eventually returned to monke with the 80s trad/US power metal. The vibes are there. Not really into edgy music anymore but I can respect what the modern djent/core/etc bands are doing. I wish neo-traditional bands would innovate a touch more; I feel like it would really push that subgenre forward.
Finally, someone else that mentions US Power Metal. There's so many incredible bands/Albums in the genre, yet it seems to get overlooked for some reason. Way better than the European Power Metal. Any particular favourite bands/Albums? I can see what you mean by the lack of innovation with neo- traditional bands. However, I think that was kind of the idea- getting away from the need to constantly innovate and getting back to just making the ol' Metal that we love. Of course, some bands took the 'trad' worship a bit too far and just ended up sounding like generic rip- offs. But then there are also those who still sounded awesome and genuine. And there are still somewhat innovative bands within that space too. Lazarus AD did a great job fusing old school thrash with a more modern 'NWOAHM' sound. Steelwings last album was definitely one of the more unique 'trad' albums. In Solitudes last album was a weird fusion of trad Metal with like Joy Division or some shit. Enforcers latest album is like if ABBA were a NWOBHM band. And then theres Vektor.
Totally agree, and I think what’s important too is with those old classic rock stars and there wild antics, they brought a sense of danger to their music. With modern, it’s technical and clinical but there is very little danger as everyone is so safe these days, so the music suffers for it, metal is supposed to feel like it’s literally on the edge of crazy
Very true. Its the same thing with Pro Wrestling too. Back in the day they were living the life of rockstars, doing shit loads of steroids and coke. Now they are skinny nerds that just play video games 😂
Absolutely right and it's more than just 1 or 2 of them. It's also been a very long time since they've talked about rocking out on the radio and living to rock and rocking to live And that's because they don't period End of report. Tell me when the last time that That 1 guitar just Blew them away and so they started rocking and singing about the bands that inspired them or even talking about Them.
@@dougmasters4561 Good to know, I heard it here for the first time tho.. good to say that perfection lies in imperfection thats why I love "disgusting" music as they like to say
Agreed but in the eighties, if you put on a blindfold and just randomly picked a metal cassette youd have a far greater chance of it being good and interesting than if you did that today
I'm a more modern metal fan, but I can still love and respect the classic metal. I'm glad you mentioned Poppy because I love her genre bending. I honestly think you hit the nail on the head with the pros and cons for each eras of metal. My favourite band lately is Nekrogoblikon, their last album was my favourite album of the year
I saw Nekrogoblikon live a couple of years back, together with Gloryhammer and Wind Rose. I don't think anyone who went to that concert would say that modern metal doesn't "have enough fun".
@@frankvandorp2059 It's sad that poppy and ghostename never did a real collab when they were together, I loved ghostemanes Anti Icon and she did some good metal genre mix stuff too
TBH genre-bending has always been around in metal: whether it was thrash blending punk with metal, or bands like Sabbat (blackened thrash), Skyclad (folk thrash), Paradise Lost (gothic metal, as well as their more controversial electronic period), Anthrax (rap metal), Therion (symphonic metal), Dub War (reggae metal), Senser (?!?) and more besides...
I started off with oldschool 80s metal and it will always have a special place in my heart bcs of that, but since I'm part of a younger generation Ive recently been feeling somehow more connected to modern metal, because... I mean... at least I'm ALIVE in this era of music lol
The ultimate proof is the test of time and i honestly doubt moat modern bands, as technically more advanced they may be, will still be talked about in 50years... the over the top lifestyles were more than just antics. It showed that these people lived, had fun and went through struggles, which in turn, reflected in the music. Whos gonna know who henson and polyphia in 50 years? Most people have no idea who they are now. But ask anyone about Ozzy, Hetfield, Mustaine and the lot and there are few that have never heard of them. Music stands the test of time when it carries the musicians heart and emotions with it. Most moderm musicians are more concerned in making a product, or a proof of challenge.
My god, this is so well-balanced and spherical! I find myself agreeable on all the points you've posed, and you phrased them so accurately. Loved it! I'd also add that it's a matter of age as well. Tastes are formulated during people's crucial 15-25 years of age. Being born in 1979 I find myself more keen on the music of my age, irrespective of all the factors you pointed. However, it is true that all the pros of the past are the cons of the present and vice versa!
Modern metal music being quantized and normalized is the reason I hate it. Somehow it just doesn't stay in the head. Goes into one ear and goes out of the other, as they say. Agree with Marty Friedman who blames modern American music for being perfected to inhuman level and praises the Japanese concept of heta-uma, "a voice that is not so good, but has a magic to it that is far more attractive than pristine vocal technique" or just "bad but good"
Worse if you choose what people call "modern metal" but if your idea of modern metal is just any new band then no. There's always more or less real metal carrying the sound of older bands with some really interesting takes on the subgenres.
People just don't know where to listen to modern metal, there are so many godly bands out there: Kingdom of Giants, Twelve Foot Ninja, The Ocean, Whitechapel, Trivium, TesseracT, etc. The classics will be always the classics tho, both parts are good but you gotta put your sight in future metal and how to improve it
I'd say you nailed it. Me I listen to both recently I've been diving into more of the stuff from the past but I love both styles more of a mood thing really.
Superb vid mate. Sums up my thoughts exactly and nice to know it’s not just me. The imperfections is exactly what makes the older metal bands sound so raw and human. Mixing is an issue, true. I feel this too. Still great to listen to though. Rock on brother 🤘🏻
I agree with a lot of what you said here. I’m in my early 20's and I listen to mostly "classic" metal, I feel like it's what made me different than some of my friends who are mostly listening to the newer bands. Although I am expanding my tastes onto the more modern metal bands and songs, my issue with it however is that a lot of it just feels too mechanical and boxed in. Now sometimes it can sound good, but I feel like too many bands are trying to accomplish the same thing. Often times it makes me think “all of these bands sound the same.” What I like about the older stuff is the aforementioned "organic" feel when bands would all play together naturally without the reliance of a click track and still worked with imperfections which sometimes would bring out the best in the song. Plus the imperfections in both performance/mixing bring the out the raw emotion. The rawness of it made it feel more 'real' if that makes sense. I honestly wish more newer bands would take more chances with how they execute their performance and mixing. I think fans of older and newer can find something good out of both eras.
Pretty spot on with this and I agree with most of your points. For me personally, I love it when a more modern band is able to blend a clean sounding mix with the some of the rawness that you would hear on earlier records. It still keeps that human feel to the performance without sounding dated as hell. A good example of this is Insomnium's latest album Anno 1696. There's definitely a polish to the overall mix, but you can still tell that the instruments were actually recorded in the studio. Sure, there might be a touch of triggers/sampling on the bass drum or quantization here and there, but the overall band performance on that album still feels natural. I understand that programming drums or other instruments on a computer is cheaper than going to actual to studio to track the instruments. But sometimes, I can't help but turn off a new album if the mixing is so cleaned up and polished to where it feels like no real instruments were actually recorded (especially when you record live drums, but then just slap a ton samples on the performance to the point where it doesn't feel real anymore). Point is, there's great things about both the classic and modern era of metal. You just have to find bands that can effectively use old and new recording tactics to their advantage while obviously writing great songs along with it.
Classic heavy, thrash and power are still the best, it has something special. But, if you take classic sound and modern sound together you will get LOVEBITES... BAD ASS! I have never been more impressed by any metal band EVER. These girls are PURE GOLD.
Pretty on point with this one mate. I listen to both old and new and love 'em for what they are, in more modern times I'm big on the Dissonant Black and Death Metal scenes apart from other subgenre-fusion and scenes that are a bit more organic and are doing really cool things. Definitely not a fan of some of the modern-time sterility in production and some of the guitar tones that lose that snarl and crunch with Amp and Pedal settings (or lack thereof-- and seriously, Djent is NOT a word and I hate that tone lol), there's a fine balance to implement both new and old together and make it work to much better degree with or without label support.
This is now my power point for presenting my own thoughts that I couldn’t come up with on my own. Thanks for your hard work lmao Seriously- great video and 200000% agree
I've liked both ever since I became a metalhead as a teenager. Love Dio, just saw Judas Priest last fall and Helloween a few months back, but I'm pumped to see Blackbraid and some other black metal bands in the months to come.
Best shot for modern metal (as you said), the home producing. I think (I hope) we're gonna see much more talents emerge with the help of social media or maybe finding themselves to form bands, and enjoy creative freedom more as side-projects and not being at the mercy of big labels (as in hiphop scene one of my fav artists R. A. the rugged man already pointed out: every major label sucks d*cks :D), so I'm thrilled for the future 🤘🏼
In defense of record labels(!), the better labels acted as a quality filter. These days, there's so much new music out there that it's hard to know where to start. I'd pay money for personally curated recommendations from the likes of Peaceville's Hammy, or producer Colin Richardson.
I like both. About a year ago when I was new to metal, I only really listened to thrash and heavy metal bands from the 80s, but over the last few months, I’ve really been getting into metalcore and deathcore, but I still like older bands as well.
8:57 Turds of misery. I used to have this problem; screaming out in pain and strain😖, having to use everything within arms reach as handhold to stabilize yourself for those death defying pushes and breaking them off the wall as a result, leaving the aftermath to look like an elk got trapped inside and was thrashing around trying to escape🦌, etc. Like classic metal, sometimes the old ways are the best, in this scenario old fashioned Mineral oil works wonders. You get lubed from the inside out, allowing for an easier escape route (in a manner of speaking). Like modern recording it saves time, eliminating the need to set aside that 60-90 minute recovery period, where you have to lay on your side waiting for everything to close back up lest you risk having half of your internal organs falling out afterwards😯. Hope this tip helps. 👍
Kind of why I love GWAR so much, they vibe with whatever is going on at the time (while viciously mocking it), they really play around with their sound, They never sold out and they’ll never get boring. (R.I.P Dave Brockie thank you for creating the craziest and most ridiculous band in the universe).
I like the classic metal more, just because it seems the older I get, the harder it is to get into new music. I'm also still discovering a lot of the classic stuff now that pretty much everything is out there for free, compared to the pre-internet days of saving money to buy albums, trading tapes and even going to a friend's house to listen to whatever he got. But still, gotta give it to the new generations, a lot of guitarists and drummers got so f-ing good it's unreal.
Your analysis is spot on. I am glad there is such a huge variety of metal that there is something for anyone. I like what I like and do my best not to dump on others preferences. Long live metal!
Both are good. It's the recording and mixing/mastering that also creates the sound. If a early Iron Maiden recorded today, the e would sound completely different.
I love Metal from any time period, there are always artists that just make you feel something. My favorite bands are mostly newer ones just because I enjoy the way they sound the most, It's also mostly bands that have their very own style I can recognize instantly when I hear them. I also love experimentation a lot, I'd rather hear something that no one has dared to do before and maybe not like it than something that a band created way back and made it sound the best. Of course there are exceptions as well. Metal in general is just amazing. I love it.
Metal was always about pushing the boundaries, standing out and competition to be the best. Now its about sounding exactly like your favorite guitarist. I blame democratization of good equipment. Its completely killed all the innovation. Style used to be a necessity to cope with technical limitations.
Hard agree on all points mate! I feel like you could have a video for each point. A pro and con for classic and modern metal to further break it down with specific examples from each band or individual.
What you said is true. I remember rehearsing the whole master of puppets in the practice room while being recorded "vintagely" with proper microphones set up near amps and drums. That was in early 2000s and it cost some money for 15 year old kids like us. We literally rehearsed to death that song because the time was limited and we couldn't afford more. One screw in 8 minute song and we had to start all over again. But when we heard ourselves we felt like Metallica themselves (probably better than them ahahah) Greetings from Italy.
Highkey, as a tech death enjoyer. The old school feeling is still alive and well in alot of newer releases, that's the case in death metal in general (of course maybe not with bigger household bands).
I love both types, my favorite Bands are Judas Priest and Lorna Shore. I have to say the Riffs became better and more complex but the Guitar Solos of the old days are unmatched, so much soul and creativity.
When I started playing guitar in 1990 all that was available to me was low quality gear. When you look at the prices and quality of for example Harley Benton today, it's just not comparable to what we spend our hard earned money on back than. I think this is even a bigger advantage for todays young musicians than internet lessons or tab apps.
Also in terms of recording your own music it's quite easy and cheap now. And using software to program drums. Definitely been a great tool to help me with my writing.
I just love to see metal evolving through the years. There were many amazing bands in the 80-s, 90-s, hell, every decade produced awesome bands that absolutely shreds! So I guess metal was awesome back then and it is amazing now.
Your 'what you don't like about. modern metal..' list for a large part explains why I love Babymetal. They play metal and they actually make me smile, all the while playing sick riffs and demonstrating top class song writing. Ignore the last album, which is a bit drab. Mind you, I love the last A7X album to bits as well, so happy happy joy joy isn't always on the top of my list.
As someone who loves classic metal, my favorite is actually newer bands who take elements of classic metal and infuse modern elements. Songs like Pray for Blood by Skull Servant and early Ghost records
You mentioned it wasn't fun anymore. Do you think we need an infusion of "Nu Glam Metal"? Do you think we need to bring back bands that sound like Poison, Warrant, etc.?
There are a lot of fun metal genres. Power metal and folk metal, as well as modern bands making more traditional heavy metal, are often quite upbeat and happy, and write songs about beer and having fun.
@@frankvandorp2059 Can you give me some examples of some really fun ones? I have to admit, I'm a little lost here. All I can think of is Steel Panther and Wig Wam with their Peacemaker theme song "Do you Wanna Taste It", which was actually from 2010. Airbourne debut album was pretty good too.
@@warriorneedsfoodbadly Alestorm, Gloryhammer, Wind Rose, Burning Witches, Ensiferum, Powerwolf, Twilight Force, Warkings. And those are just the fun folk/power metal bands I saw over the past two weeks when I was at Wacken and then Alcatraz. There are a lot more.
I think that we tend to look back at the best things from the past, and that blurries our perception of the world. Not just with metal, but with everything in general. It's not like every metal band from the past sounded like Metallica or Judas Priest. Having said that, I think that modern metal in the mainstream is kinda dead. But, I also think there are some unkown metal bands / artists which are great and experiment with the genre, in sites like Soundcloud
Growing up with classic metal, I loved it. As I got older, and thanks to my parents, I got exposure to the then and now simultaneously. I can still throw back the classic era from time to time, but I've honestly grown out of much of it. I love finding new artists that are innovative/inspired. I've been around too many people who only stick to the old better times" without ever really embracing anything new. And I tire of every rock station playing Welcome to the Jungle 5 times a day on the radio.
Well most of those points are very fair However a lot of those oldschool songs don't have such terrible mixes (although they're much better these days) and the looks, well who cares it's about the music anyway And it just feels like modern metal bands are just in a competition to be the heaviest and tune the lowest which comes at the cost of songwriting imo Besides, I just like the style of the oldschool subgenres Thanks to the New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal for bringing back the oldschool sound in modern sound quality
I agree with a lot of this. Always had an appreciation for contemporary stuff and the classics. Sterility is often what puts me off modern bands - indistinct production and music that's high on skill but low on groove and feel. Then, a lot of old school bands are kinda boring now, and I sometimes find their audiences to be a little elitist and set in their ways. But there are huge exceptions either way. One of my favorite albums ever, 'Fade' by Cloudkicker, was recorded by one dude in his room exactly as described here, and I'm very likely to pick something pre-1990 pretty much any time I'm just casually putting something on!
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my two favourite bands are metallica, megadeth followed by gojira and trivium, so i think i can say i love modern metal as much as i love classic metal
gojira and trivium blew up in the mid 2000's tho, almost 20 years ago, not sure we can count that as modern metal... I think at this point it's the middle area between the classic and modern
@@kadriblabalitrivium's latest albums aren't worse, or maybe even better than they made in 00's and IMO Gojira's second greatest album was released in 2013, so not than old, compared to banda that are usually considered "Classic Metal"
Jeez man, you have an amazing journalistic writing ability in crafting this presentation and the clips perfectly timed in sequence is just over the top experience that made me laugh and think dammit! I know a new independent label album that you'd like, The KHIND "Vincent", that blends all the facets of new and old, non quantized, human concept, awesome tones album of METAL I just bought last week! I had a band with the drummer from like 88-92
Kinda. But not really. That phrase applies a lot more to certain genres ie Metalcore/Deathcore, Trap, whatever this Latin music that people like is called- than others. Sure, there are similarities with bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer, Overkill, Testament, Sepultura, Flotsam & Jetsam- but they sound way more distinctive from eachother than a lot of these modern metalcore/deathcore/djent bands.
It is far more diverse. I grew up in the 80s where there was NWOBHM, traditional metal, hard rock, hair metal, thrash metal and a smattering of some proto black and death metal bands and a few prog metal bands. Now you have completely distinct genres within genres within genres. A cynic would say that metal has been balkanized and is worse for it but I think a more accurate perspective is that there's a band out there for you regardless of what kind of metal appeals to you.
Pretty much agree on everything. I just can't get into the new wave of (imo) overcomplicated metal like Polyphia or Animals As Leaders. I don't mind me some new metal and rock stuff like Asomvel, Fortress, Mammoth and even some of Poppy's shit is good too. Still my respect to them because I don't even have 0.00000001% of the skill that Henson or Abasi have.
The techniques of technical picking and mixing in the new stuff has me blown away. Love the old stuff too. Its organic and powerful because of it. edit: Clowncore is awesome on all levels.
Maybe it wasn't as much of a thing in metal, but if you go out in the music industry in general or maybe a little earlier in time, band members actually didn't have to be all that tight in the studio. The studio/producer/label or whoever would just call in their session guy to record the part while the bass player was too drunk to play or whatever. Also there's been an interesting interview with Steve Vai recently where he talks about how he actually avoided losing all his money to a label by just paying like $12.50 to create his own "label" so that he could sell his albums directly to the distributors and make tons of money instead of the industry standard record deal which would have paid him miserably.
If you could take the BEST of Classic Metal and the Best of Modern Metal and combine them, then you'd really have something incredible! I would say I lean more into Classic Metal but am definitely a fan of both. I agree with just about everything you said, great video!
I totally agree. There are thing to love and hate about both. I can’t stand the fact that classic metal fans are completely unwilling to listen to the new stuff. I love metal from all time periods! 🤘🏻
What can I say, newer metal (music in general tbh) just doesn't speak to me. It's not like I don't hear it, it just doesn't do it for me like older music does.
I agree with you. Classic metal brings forth so much more "feel", fun and memorable solos/riffs. In modern metal, the good stuff is available in bandcamp and through small indie labels. Bands like Ghost and Mastodon has great songwriting, but overall I get more out of Michael Schenker solos and King Diamond catalogue than, like Spiritbox
good video dude, im more of a classichead myself, I usually cant get into modern metal bands unless theyre doing some kind of throwback. I feel it sounds just so sanitized and serious, like it's pretending metal isn't silly by nature to some extent. There are exceptions of course.
I think these points were overall really solid points Bradley, especially the production of modern metal being a double edged sword and the rockstars of the past being a double edged sword as well. I love both 90's era megadeth/slayer/death, but I also like more modern stuff like periphery or sylosis. I think I can connect to the older styles because they've got more feel but I also connect more to the present because 1> I'm living in it and 2 > its more pleasant on the ears. 5/7 beans video
