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Is Sonic X Shadow Generations Actually Remastered? 

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@Derp-O
@Derp-O 3 месяца назад
They actually did remaster Generations pretty substantially! You see, they raised Classic Sonic’s upper middle quill!
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
LOL
@ljtufts1896
@ljtufts1896 3 месяца назад
⁠@@SFproductions1 I was gonna say that they enhanced classic Sonic’s colors. It’s small but when you look closely, he looks slightly more accurate to how he did in the 90’s.
@Reach_7
@Reach_7 3 месяца назад
omg this game is now a 10 out of 10!!! (for those who don't understand, the Shadow part look very good but the sonic part is the same as before)
@mariotehplumber
@mariotehplumber 3 месяца назад
@@ljtufts1896 thats wrong classic sonic was always a regular blue in game sonic generations original had the classic sonic blue the same color as sonic 1 title screen blue stop confusing people just look at the japanese official art of the 90s that isnt manga its regular blue
@tippedjoshua6802
@tippedjoshua6802 3 месяца назад
@@mariotehplumberwhat?
@Sonic24prime
@Sonic24prime 3 месяца назад
But yeah, sonic generations, the exact same although I’m fine with it mainly because I don’t play sonic generations because I don’t have a PC. I have a PS3 and PS4.
@robinsr4745
@robinsr4745 3 месяца назад
I played gens on ps3 but i would replay it for the third time with this remaster
@newagehero9605
@newagehero9605 3 месяца назад
Thank youuu i only have a ps5 and switch 😂
@malcolmar
@malcolmar 3 месяца назад
With that said, at least for PC do you think the Shadow sections will be available as a DLC?
@megamanx1291
@megamanx1291 День назад
Shadow Generations is a whole new game, it would be atleast 50
@TurkeyFaceX
@TurkeyFaceX 5 дней назад
I didn't even know people were defending this game in that way. As a PC player myself, I was even thinking this game doesn't improve the visuals of the original Generations game at all. Yeah, It'll look better than the original PS3 and X-Box 360 releases, but there are no differences for us PC players. I think it has to do with the Switch version. And I was thinking, why not just improve the visuals and wait for Nintendo's next platform. They'd only delay the release by a year at most, giving them the time to make those improvements and justifying the upgrade.
@lks19
@lks19 3 месяца назад
Step 1: change HUD Step 2: call it "enchanced visuals" Step 3: profit.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
so true
@CrashFan03
@CrashFan03 3 месяца назад
they didn't even do that, the boost particles that fill the gauge are still broken since they play at 720p without scaling and don't actually reach the boost gauge (this is a problem in the original version too when played at any resolution higher than 720p)
@lks19
@lks19 3 месяца назад
@@CrashFan03 yeah. They confirmed the Gens remaster was rushed (not surprised) and they are releasing the Shadow campaign alongside Gens because they don't need to worry about creating 100% new stuff. They want to release the game this year, since it's "The year of Shadow".
@CrashFan03
@CrashFan03 3 месяца назад
@@lks19 i heard that they spent 2 years working on it but that could just be the shadow portion
@yanim8s350
@yanim8s350 3 месяца назад
😭
@kakhome1
@kakhome1 3 месяца назад
I'm in the camp of Generations not really being broke and not minding playing it safe with a straight port (graphically). But it should be advertised at face value
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
I agree
@UltraSTH
@UltraSTH 3 месяца назад
Exactly what SF was saying in this video, some people seem to be getting the wrong message
@Ang3LofSp4rK
@Ang3LofSp4rK 3 месяца назад
It is being advertised at face value. Just because a customer's expectations don't match doesn't equal false advertisement.
3 месяца назад
They are advertising it accurately, its enhanced over the originals and they clearly mean over the originals. No one counts Xbox bc or PC as the originals, those are non standard versions. This is a remaster for everyone. Its always bizarre when PC dorks pretend that a dev should be aiming for better than PC in a console centric remaster, PC isn't one standard its a spectrum of dozens or even hundreds of levels of granular quality changes, and Xbox bc isn't even a bespoke sku ffs! Same as Dark Souls Remaster, etc, you are arguing in bad faith to pretend remaster does or should mean enhanced over those versions, its very clear they aren't claiming that. The only problem here is unreasonable demands made by pedantics.
@altonb.1396
@altonb.1396 3 месяца назад
​@@Ang3LofSp4rKUh no, no it is not. A remaster entails some sort of noticeable graphical enhancements and various quality of life changes. Comparing visuals the game looks damn near identical to how it did on my ps3 and we've yet to really see how they've touched the gameplay outside of the shadow portion which is more comparable to a dlc campaign.
@widerekxxanimations6842
@widerekxxanimations6842 3 месяца назад
I've noticed like 2 diffrences with the gens remaster, classic sonic's top quill being longer and the shadows being a little bit darker
@LunaStrikeTV
@LunaStrikeTV 3 месяца назад
That’s due to them actually adding HDR
@ethanwayne6973
@ethanwayne6973 3 месяца назад
They also decreased depth of field effects on the background, which is the most obvious when running down the tower in Rooftop Run
@LunaStrikeTV
@LunaStrikeTV 3 месяца назад
I also think that, either it’s my eyes playing tricks on me, or they actually slightly altered the lighting system
@ZinsGameplay15001
@ZinsGameplay15001 3 месяца назад
Oh yeah, and drop dash for modern sonic
@widerekxxanimations6842
@widerekxxanimations6842 3 месяца назад
@@ZinsGameplay15001 ih yeah forgot about that, classic sonic has that too actually
@PunIntendedXP
@PunIntendedXP 3 месяца назад
sonic fans trying to find one new pixel on Sonic's model just to justify themselves
@hype5456
@hype5456 3 месяца назад
There's other stuff that highlights the issues from the lighting and etc, I doubt people would be doing this if SEGA just said a port instead of a remaster with enhanced graphics
@songohan5866
@songohan5866 3 месяца назад
​@@hype5456a great point
@newagehero9605
@newagehero9605 3 месяца назад
More like people they can’t afford a pc😂
@andraw4002
@andraw4002 3 месяца назад
People who have played the game in person have said that it looks noticeably different.
@alptugraakan7490
@alptugraakan7490 3 месяца назад
Sonic fans also trying to find one bad pixel just to say the game is trash
@UltraSTH
@UltraSTH 3 месяца назад
This game is more in the same category as Sega Ages Sonic 1 and 2, it’s really just an enhanced port, those versions added small things like the Drop Dash, Ring Keep Mode, Super Sonic Mode, even the arcade version of Sonic 1, but the difference is, those were advertised as straight ports, not remasters. Just wanna put that out there, feel free to quote me on this if you want
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
That's how this game should have been advertised. An "enhanced port" would be a better description for sure!
@UltraSTH
@UltraSTH 3 месяца назад
Oh and also, people compare this game to Super Mario 3D World + Bowser’s Fury, and that game is the same deal as this: a port with essentially a second game added on to it
@UltraSTH
@UltraSTH 3 месяца назад
@@SFproductions1exactly, nobody would have a problem with that
@ChrisStoneinator
@ChrisStoneinator 3 месяца назад
Frankly the SEGA AGES ports on 3DS and Switch are far more ambitious and will have had more work put into them than what’s gone on here, Shadow content aside.
@SonicSwift99
@SonicSwift99 3 месяца назад
I think the main issue is that Sonic Generations is confirmed to still be using hedgehog engine 1 while Shadow Generations was built on hedgehog engine 2. I'm not saying trying to make an excuse but I think it's an important factor to consider.
@leonardowynnwidodo9704
@leonardowynnwidodo9704 3 месяца назад
I do notice that the Shadow stages are a bit Force-esque, especially when it comes to animations, such as the spin jump, the homing cursor SFX, and even the boost initiation SFX. Granted I’m not extremely upset about these animations, but given it’s a Generations remaster, at least go with the format
@ThibautMahringer
@ThibautMahringer 3 месяца назад
⁠@@leonardowynnwidodo9704 Though the physics seems to be improved over Forces and Frontiers, I was hoping for Shadow Generations to use Generations like physics personally. It could be nitpicking (or not actually, we’ll see), but I would have loved a 3rd game that feels similar to Unleashed / Generations
@leonardowynnwidodo9704
@leonardowynnwidodo9704 3 месяца назад
@@ThibautMahringer yeah that’s a plus from those horrible games physics-wise
@SonicSwift99
@SonicSwift99 3 месяца назад
@@leonardowynnwidodo9704 Yeah I think that just boils down to the hedgehog engine 2 problem. It's not as exhilarating as Unleashed/Sonic Generations but the level design seems to have a similar design to those games at least. I guess we just have to look at it as another play style.
@leonardowynnwidodo9704
@leonardowynnwidodo9704 3 месяца назад
@@SonicSwift99 agreed. And honestly, until their new games are on par with Unleashed or Gens and just HE2, I’ll keep saying they suck in terms of physics
@Sonic24prime
@Sonic24prime 3 месяца назад
Honestly, I agree people should have their own opinion
@The_Dark_Red_GamingClub
@The_Dark_Red_GamingClub 3 месяца назад
agree, but what do you expect from the sonic community?
@pranjalrath
@pranjalrath 3 месяца назад
14hours how
@gusdotd894
@gusdotd894 3 месяца назад
@@pranjalrath A channel membership.
@Makdbcnuggit
@Makdbcnuggit 3 месяца назад
@@pranjalrathbecause he’s a member to this channel
@mandrews817
@mandrews817 3 месяца назад
But whether they remastered the game or not is a matter of opinion? I don't think so.
@Theultimatelifeform2001
@Theultimatelifeform2001 3 месяца назад
I don’t mind it since I didn’t play the original Generations
@AAlex-wg8ml
@AAlex-wg8ml 3 месяца назад
Same 😅
@Yournoodlesarestale
@Yournoodlesarestale 3 месяца назад
Same i only. Played it once
@bigheadshorty
@bigheadshorty 3 месяца назад
Same
@Gear07
@Gear07 3 месяца назад
You're missing out.
@joostine3720
@joostine3720 3 месяца назад
@@Gear07i absolutely loved Sonic colors and unleashed then just never got generations, I know I’m missing out😭 I think I wanted to wait until I got something other than the wii cause I learned the wii Sonic games were different than their counterparts. Now if I buy generations on the 360 it’s gonna be redundant once i go and buy this remake😅
@dr.sabertooth3025
@dr.sabertooth3025 3 месяца назад
"It will improve on release" Is a very common cope for the sonic fanbase to negate criticism It happened with forces, frontiers, and now this game
@beelzebub-y8z
@beelzebub-y8z 2 месяца назад
Frontiers was decent though...
@beelzebub-y8z
@beelzebub-y8z 2 месяца назад
@foxesarenotredagreed honestly
@SunkotheRabbit
@SunkotheRabbit 2 месяца назад
​@foxesarenotredcolors ultimate.
@nexusetmiaouss
@nexusetmiaouss Месяц назад
Same for pokemon fans lmao. In the end, the game is either mid or absolue trash 😂
@Mojo1356
@Mojo1356 Месяц назад
@@nexusetmiaoussproblem though- Generations is a top tier Sonic game. A downgrade in graphical fidelity won’t change that.
@knowingjordankid
@knowingjordankid 3 месяца назад
I honestly think that Sonic X Shadow Generations is not a remastered. I think Sonic X Shadow Generations and Sonic Generations are two different games.
@brovideogaming9447
@brovideogaming9447 3 месяца назад
Dear God, I hope you're right. I do not want to spend $50 or more on a potentially worse version of Sonic Generations with more bugs with an added hour long Shadow campaign when I have the Steam version RIGHT. THERE.
@ethanwayne6973
@ethanwayne6973 3 месяца назад
​@@brovideogaming9447oh the generations port isn't something to be worried about, plenty of people have already played the Generations portion and it seems fine
@ethanwayne6973
@ethanwayne6973 3 месяца назад
​@@brovideogaming9447and even though they are technically "separate games", you still have to pay for both
@grunt5545
@grunt5545 3 месяца назад
I do believe they actually might use 2 separate game engines, 1 being the hedgehog engine used in the original sonic generations, 2 being a completely new engine used for the shadow campaign, prove me wrong if it's all in one tho.
@f10pped36
@f10pped36 3 месяца назад
​@grunt5545 from the gameplay in the boss portion it looks like the sane engine as frontiers
@RaiginAnimator
@RaiginAnimator 3 месяца назад
Graphics side? I thought the Textures look the same because of RU-vid compression. Nothing running on 4K ever looks that good On 1080p trailers To me personally
@Blue007prime
@Blue007prime 3 месяца назад
I'm no modder but I am someone who are really familiar with Sonic 3d models, I do renders of them. and while Sonic Gens "remaster" dosen't have any huge differences, I can say that it DOES have some if you look closely. for example, the colors look so much brigther now, I honestly didn't liked how original gens looked at all, I've always thought it looked really "gray" in some way, but the remaster does look like it makes the colors brigther, I'd say they put a filter of more exposition, since in some parts, I did noticed some shadows are way more darker than before, so yeah, I can say there is a graphical difference but it's a little subtle if you don't pay close attention. so maybe they did remastered it but not that much, I'd love to see a graphical encancement, specially for the cutscenes, but eh, it still looks good, I'd say even better than og generations but that's just me.
@PercyPanleo
@PercyPanleo 3 месяца назад
I looked around a bit, it looks like that is due to them adding HDR support
@EricNightStorm
@EricNightStorm 3 месяца назад
When I saw the trailers i thought it looked slightly better but wasn't sure why, but thanks to your comment i can notice it now, thanks bro
@ethanwayne6973
@ethanwayne6973 3 месяца назад
And decreased depth of field, most noticeable when running down Rooftop Run, oh and remaster just means higher resolution textures, the term you're looking for is remake, which is when you actually change things like models and lighting
@Blue007prime
@Blue007prime 3 месяца назад
@@ethanwayne6973 no. A remaster can actually change lighting and overall better graphics (just look a the metroid prime remaster). A remake is completely re-doing the game from scratch
@ethanwayne6973
@ethanwayne6973 3 месяца назад
@@Blue007prime if you start changing models that's a remake, full stop
@chrange9714
@chrange9714 3 месяца назад
Literally everyone who's played the demo has said it looks noticeably a lot better than it used to so I believe that
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Well obviously it looks better than how it did on 360 and PS3, I'm not arguing that at all. But looking at the direct footage from my own personal judgement, it looks no different from how a lot of people have been playing Generations for years now
@chrange9714
@chrange9714 3 месяца назад
@@SFproductions1 Well that's your judgement vs the testimony of everyone who's played the demo. Actually being there seeing it on the screen and playing it for yourself vs watching footage are two different things. I wouldn't be going around saying things like "SEGA's making empty promises" when that's blatantly not true. I agree it doesn't look much different from the trailers, but everyone who's gotten to play it has said it's noticeably nicer looking.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
I guess we'll just have to wait and see then. I don't know how playing the game is gonna change my mind when we have directly captured footage from VGC to compare the two (which I show in the video to make a comparison) but fair enough
@amazingboi9388
@amazingboi9388 3 месяца назад
@@chrange9714 fr bro
@kuala3840
@kuala3840 3 месяца назад
Yeah, i've also seen that ground in Green Hill Became more detailed, and Classic Sonic got slightly different quills, most visible while standing still
@the-aspiring-creator4249
@the-aspiring-creator4249 3 месяца назад
I see a lot of people commenting stuff like this so I feel like breaking down a few things that should be understood. 1) "The graphics do look better, the shadows are more defined and the colors are richer." What you're likely seeing is the result of Generations being on better hardware and making use of HDR which naturally has allowed colors in media to look more vibrant and in the case of dark detail really makes a difference in having it pop. It naturally looks cleaner because aside from PC and Xbox One/Series S and X backwards compatibility? Sonic Generations on PS3 and 360 ran at a resolution of I believe 720p at 30fps (PS3 apparently was 1080p but that's one system and it still was locked to 30fps). It's to be expected that it looks clearer and cleaner but that's not the same as remastering a game which brings me to my next point. 2) "It's a remaster, not a remake." I see this point being thrown around and I feel while this is accurate, it also kind of misses what a remaster is. To remaster something is to improve the quality and if you advertise it as a remaster? It means that while the expectations should not be on it being rebuilt from the ground-up, there's still the expectation of improvements. People have commonly compared this to 3D World's rerelease on the Switch and I feel in particular that's a good point to bring up because while some sites use the "remastered" wording, most of Nintendo's marketing from what I recall didn't really call it a remaster, they noted it had additional features but otherwise put their focus on Bowser's Fury, not so subtly indicating this is kind of just them rereleasing a game on the more successful console with new material and improvements to accommodate for the lack of certain features of the system. For another example? There's the God of War HD Collection. Now the games on PS3 did see a boost with upped framerates, better widescreen support and updated textures and clarity but the people at Sony made it clear these are not remastered but rather enhanced ports. Sonic Adventure DX setting aside technical problems is a remaster. It has the visuals somewhat overhauled, the framerate's improved and there's the extra content. Sure if we're talking the most basic definitions then Generations is indeed "remastered" but to me if that's the case I might as well call any emulated game a remaster because it looks cleaner. People know how to temper expectations for a remaster when it's accurately presented. It's what makes something like Colors Ultimate embarrassing because the bare minimum people expected was Colors with a resolution and FPS boost and some bonus content but then the game released kind of broken and with clear corner cutting thanks to rushed development. Now to be fair, Generations still looks good which is likely why it just being cleaner is fine with people and that's totally understandable but when you promise a remaster? That's kind of a problem, especially when you compare the Shadow content to Generations and see how much better it looks and for the record, I don't think it really matters that they're running off two engines. I mean modders have shown how just enabling Unleashed's lighting and shaders can make a world of difference. Now if you look at all that and go "Okay but I still like it and I'm pre-ordering?" then by all means do so. This isn't about trying to tell you that decision is stupid or anything like that. If you've justified the purchase then you've justified it. This is about pointing out that SEGA is advertising it to be this one thing when it isn't and while we are a couple months out from its full release? It doesn't really look that great to be four or five months out, marketed as a remaster and still not have anything changed about it. And again, let me remphasize this, this is not me telling you that you are a stupid person for pre-ordering or desiring to buy this. Trying to make any sort of argument to counter these claims is pointless since your purchase is your purchase. If you feel honest-to-Chaos looking at this that this is enough of a upgrade and are satisfied? That's awesome, I more than accept that take.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
👏👏
@elfrangofrito
@elfrangofrito 3 месяца назад
Well good point, people don't really have a problem with Bowser's Fury because the point of the game was to bring 3D World to Switch and take the opportunity to add more content. If they advertised this as more of a port than a remaster then this would be way more acceptable. After all, it's not "Sonic Generations HD Remaster", it's "Sonic x Shadow Generations". Although I have to say, I personally didn't ever see SEGA themselves using the word "remaster" to describe Sonic x Shadow Generations, but I do see in the video they advertise "enhanced visuals".
@the-aspiring-creator4249
@the-aspiring-creator4249 3 месяца назад
@@elfrangofrito The weird thing is that while they haven't really used the word, they're definitely treating this as a remaster. In particular there was an interview Iizuka had where he mentioned Sonic Team was open to the idea of doing more remasters and indeed there's the enhanced visuals bit which makes the fact Sonic Generations looks basically the same very odd. I mean say what you want about Colors Ultimate, at least when they noted they changed the visuals, one could tell right away they did that.
@chrange9714
@chrange9714 3 месяца назад
But that's the thing, they aren't advertising it to be one thing when it isn't like lmao. Things have changed about it and it very much is being treated like a remaster by Sega. No amount of giant walls of text is gonna change that
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
@@chrange9714 well can you please provide some examples of enhancements with this remaster?
@josanchez1536
@josanchez1536 2 месяца назад
I think people are so defensive of criticism in the sonic community because of how hard we were mocked for so long for liking sonic because of the trends a while back on youtube to just dog on sonic. Its no excuse for the behavior but its something to keep in mind
@ScourgeTheAshura
@ScourgeTheAshura 3 месяца назад
Personally, as someone who has never, and has always wanted to play generations. The fact that it is playable on newer consoles is enough for me. Yes it could be better, but I’m SO excited to get to play both games for the first time!
@foxcollr831
@foxcollr831 3 месяца назад
I agree, for people who have never played Gens this seems like a fantastic deal. Hope you enjoy it, Generations is a short game but it's so so good!
@0vxx
@0vxx 3 месяца назад
“If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it”
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
True. But also dont say you're going to fix it when you're not planning to
@0vxx
@0vxx 3 месяца назад
@@SFproductions1True. At the same time, they do have 4 months to polish things, so who knows they might make some visual enhancements then
@dri_him
@dri_him 3 месяца назад
"if it isn't broken, don't fix it" this mindset is the reason we had the dark ages in europe and "crab mentality".
@johnpett1955
@johnpett1955 3 месяца назад
The more accurate thing to say here is that if you say you'll improve something, then do it.
@MrNoobNub
@MrNoobNub 3 месяца назад
it is broken, though. not broken as in it looks bad, but broken as in the graphics are definitely as little dated for todays' standards and could use some fixing up here and there.
@nokingo10098
@nokingo10098 3 месяца назад
I respect ur oppinion,and in no way will i harass you because of a video game but listen. I think the reason its not any different is because the Sonic generations portion is for the newcomers who didn't get the chance to play the original gens,while the Shadow generations portion is for the og fans to get them buy this game. But i do agree,saying enhanced visuals while theres barely anything enhanced is anything but sane
@M.Alfonso
@M.Alfonso 29 дней назад
Yeah you see, if you already played the original, youll have to buy Sonic Generations again at full price, just so you can plat Shadow Generations. Sonic fans are so naive honestly, y'all deserved to be ripped off
@Kerrogann
@Kerrogann 24 дня назад
I'm hyped but I expect disappointment even with the Shadow Generations segment, because this whole release feels like a cheap, quickly developed game to tie-in with the release of the third movie. They probably hope that when the film releases, people will buy the latest Shadow stuff they made 2 months prior. And that rarely is a sign of quality when it's just marketing. But as always, we'll see what the ended up with. I just keep my expectations low
@d.o.a9236
@d.o.a9236 3 месяца назад
I just realized that this game is … « Mario 3D World + Bowset fury » I mean by that they are both some remaster of an old game with another half BASED ON THE NEWEST GAME Clearly Shadow Generation is based on Sonic Frontiers a lot of elements looks like it And the Bowser Fury part is clearly inspired and based on Mario Odyssey
@MrDannyloco
@MrDannyloco 2 месяца назад
Ur so right
@Udash13
@Udash13 3 месяца назад
As a Sonic Generations PC Player that uses mods and enhancements I expected the game to look at least on par with the PC version with its modded improvements
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Hopefully new mods will come out for this version as well
@spidspodthedead
@spidspodthedead 3 месяца назад
This really did need to be said. I didn't really notice any difference in the graphics at all from this "remaster" and the original release. I've never minded that, since the graphics never looked bad to begin with, but if you're gonna market the game as a remaster, then actually make it a remaster. They obviously have the capability of doing so, considering the Shadow side of the game, but they instead just, like you said, port the game and call it a day. Either remaster it or be honest with the fact that it's a port.
@Cinos2170
@Cinos2170 4 дня назад
I have a handful of issues with this release. One, I already have Generations (and love it) on PC, so I don't want to buy Generations again just to play the new Shadow segment. Two, what you mentioned in the video about not being a remaster. Three, it looks like the gameplay might be a little underwhelming (the boss fights looked kind of bland and empty). I'm more than willing to change my mind on this game if it ends up good but I don't think I should be labeled as wrong for having concerns over a franchise I adore
@the_stranger833
@the_stranger833 3 месяца назад
Very excited to use the drop dash in the remaster. But with honesty they should have had the Shadow Generations Campaign as DLC for the original game. As the original version exists on the Xbox store
@TheLetterS_Rebooted
@TheLetterS_Rebooted 3 месяца назад
I think they could've done something like the legacy console editions of Minecraft where it has a button somewhere on the title screen/option screen saying you can upgrade to the newer version and go back to the older version
@M.Alfonso
@M.Alfonso 29 дней назад
They really just wanted people to spend 50 dollars on a DLC, especially from those who already owned the original Sonic Generations
@Ademhadji653
@Ademhadji653 3 месяца назад
Yeah i agree, they didn't need to make sonic colors ultimate's unnecessary graphical change as an excuse to just port sonic generations with little to no graphical enhancement, i know the game itself still look very good to this day but a slight improvement in the lighting, the textures and models could make a huge difference basically i wanted for them to make the sonic generations part look like the shadow generations part because they look very odd together like this in a single package
@sonic2kk
@sonic2kk 3 месяца назад
I also had the same feelings that the Sonic Generations portion wasn't really "remastered". But based on what we've seen (look at how Sonic controls, looks visually, the rings not having the silly Sonic Forces-onward animation), I get the feeling that Sonic Generations and "Shadow Generations" are using two separate versions of Hedgehog Engine, where Sonic Generations is using something closer to Hedgehog Engine 1 and Shadow Generations is using something closer to Hedgehog Engine 2 (which I believe Sonic Forces and Sonic Frontiers use, although Frontiers could be using a further-enhanced version). Sonic Colors used a modification of the Godot Engine I believe. That isn't justifying this "remaster" fiasco at all, SEGA shouldn't be inferring that is a remaster and you are absolutely correct imo, at least from what we've seen of the game. And I'm also not saying Sonic Generations should use the same engine as Shadow Generations, that would make it play entirely differently and it would become more than a remaster at that point as level design would need updated etc. There are probably _some_ limitations with the Sonic Generations engine, but SEGA could've absolutely done more. In short, I agree with your points that this is not a remaster. And part of the reason for the laziness, and part of the reason for the stark contrast in visual fidelity between the two games, is probably because they're using two different engines. If I wanted to be an optimist, I would say this is SEGA testing the waters for running Hedgehog Engine 1 on newer consoles and optimised for newer PC hardware (Sonic X Shadow Generations could be 64bit, I believe Sonic Generations is 32bit) in preparation for Sonic Unleashed (which was the debut Hedgehog Engine title). But I feel like SEGA just didn't bother doing anything with Sonic Generations because the engine appears to be visually mostly untouched. And fwiw my stake in this is on the PC side, so indeed the visuals here look pretty much identical to the Steam release.
@TheLetterS_Rebooted
@TheLetterS_Rebooted 3 месяца назад
slight correction: Hedgehog engine is a lighting engine it wouldn't affect the gameplay
@Harper_Onions
@Harper_Onions 3 месяца назад
3:00 - Wasn't the main problem with Colours Ultimate that Blind Squirrel had to almost completely remake the entire game in GODOT of all engines?
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Bro I completely forgot about that. Again, that was overcorrecting they didn't need to do that 😭
@agentofchaos7198
@agentofchaos7198 3 месяца назад
Didn’t Fadel and other who played it said that they saw a noticeable increase in graphics?
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
I mean maybe they see something i dont because the direct footage we have from the demo and the stuff weve seen in trailers looks no different
@pezzinator6316
@pezzinator6316 19 дней назад
It might be a trailer thing. Like how when they announced GTA V on ps4 and Xbox one, people said it looked the same.
@TheLetterS_Rebooted
@TheLetterS_Rebooted 3 месяца назад
Im not sure if i would call it "false advertising" to call it a remaster because technically by upgrading to 4k and i assume also upgrading to HE2 they are making graphical enhancements (i mean with the twilight princess, windwaker and skyward sword hd version i didnt see anybody say they werent remaster) but sega is definitely wording it in a way where you could think theyve done more to the game than they actually did
@Jay-hv6ss
@Jay-hv6ss 3 месяца назад
Twilight Princess HD caught a lot of heat. There was even a running joke that the HD stood for “Hardly Different.”
@Faming59
@Faming59 3 месяца назад
well even then a remaster is more then just graphics. it also can improve gameplay and fix bugs. QOL stuff. we don't know if it does or is just a port. cuz that's just what it seems. it might make the game have more bugs and run worse. but anyway it is still false advertising. cuz they barely did anything. u can see it. usually a remaster looks better then it ever did before by making textures look better. while this just looks like how it does on pc. like obvi i'm not expecting it to be the best graphics ever but like. at least upgrade it enough to where we can see and agree it does look like one in the graphics department.
@mikkachu7824
@mikkachu7824 7 дней назад
i don't think sonic games need to have crazy graphic fidelity. the point is to go fast, so the attention in development going towards gameplay feel and art direction rather than high res textures is completely fine to me. i don't need my sonic game to look like real life, i honestly prefer the cartoonish art direction, and the current graphical fidelity of the newer games is enough for me. good enough to be pleasing to the eye, and cartoonish enough to remind me that i am playing an arcade-style platformer. fair points though, and it was a great vid!
@kingsombra4053
@kingsombra4053 3 месяца назад
Honestly I don't really mind if the generations side looks much better or not, the game looks great and the new content is cool, though I agree that they shouldn't be advertising enhanced visuals for something that isn't really enhanced. However if this game does well I think it could show Sega how much we care about Shadow and want him in the games. Though yes it is perfectly fine to judge something for not reaching its full potential
@With2Ls
@With2Ls 3 месяца назад
I swear sonic fans always try to stop people from having criticism like we’re the consumer we don’t have to justify our wants based on what sega will do we just say what we want and if sega does it then good
@Terminal_Apotos
@Terminal_Apotos 3 месяца назад
It’s just a Port with some extra features. Had they actually remastered it by improving the textures and lighting it could’ve been on the Level of Shadow Generations. Even Worse is it looks slightly worse with the broken Grass in Green Hill and they removed the animation where Sonic Looks back at the Piranha Bot at the End of the Cave Grinding Section.
@larkNott
@larkNott 3 месяца назад
Year of shadow is kinda ass considering its not a solo standalone but a glorified dlc for a game that already came out years ago is hilarious move to me. Hype or not this is a terrible way to make it a year about anything and still make it about someone else past sucess and just adding on to it. I wanna say it would be better this was a dlc instead and a port for console but there is no way that this would make fans okay with that either. Its just been marketing of past game and a bike for year of the shadow. I would like to see more for shadow but thats like asking for silver to get a solo game. It aint gonna happen.
@TheSultan1470
@TheSultan1470 3 месяца назад
LOL Shadoe game
@kadenhorrocks7182
@kadenhorrocks7182 3 месяца назад
The resolution of the actual screen seems to be better, tho, so im glad they have that at least lmao
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Well the game already ran at 4K on PC and Xbox so I really hope the remaster would at least have that
@kadenhorrocks7182
@kadenhorrocks7182 3 месяца назад
@SFproductions1 Both of which I have. However, I still think it's neat for the people who don't have access to those versions. My main concern is how tf it's gonna run on Switch
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Fair enough lmao
@newagehero9605
@newagehero9605 3 месяца назад
@@kadenhorrocks7182THANK YOUUU everyone thinks they pcs grow on trees and assumeee every gamer has one that’s not the economy we live in sadly. I could see why someone would think in such a way if all their gamer friends are rich or high middle class to where they can comfortably afford a pc. I was broke for 3 weeks buying a ps5 😂
@anotherguysomewhere
@anotherguysomewhere 3 месяца назад
Personally, I think it might be a similar thing to super mario 3d world + bowser's fury. Re-release the base game with extra content.
@Stix19x
@Stix19x 3 месяца назад
2:01 This right here is so annoying. Yea SF, you should stop complaining because we're getting new stuff, they say while ignoring the fact that this game isn't free and you will be spending your hard earned money on 2 games, where one of them has little to no improvements on performance. I never understood the harassment and anger people have towards offering simple criticism for a game that doesn't even live up to the promise of what is said it will do.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
This
@SuperSonicUltimate-YT
@SuperSonicUltimate-YT 3 месяца назад
Don’t Really Mind At Least we can play the game on the switch ❤
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
fair enough
@Faisalthefist
@Faisalthefist 3 месяца назад
They did remaster it it has higher quality textures and 4k 60 fps and there’s no need for more really it still looks good and it’s not a remake it’s a remaster
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
It does not have higher quality textures
@jed4276
@jed4276 3 месяца назад
They still didn't fix the greenish lighting problem, its easy to tell in modern sonic green hill stage in shadows especially and sonics gloves and in between his quills.
@Cawfeeshop
@Cawfeeshop Месяц назад
Hot take but im actually indifferent on the whole "updated visuals" things because at the end of the day, its still sonic generations. Heck ill be even more happy if the game will be able to run well on switch
@mazkeraid4039
@mazkeraid4039 3 месяца назад
I wouldn't count on that, there is some changes in Sonic Generations in visual sense, but it is mainly for saturation and contrast.
@SemiColin-Yt
@SemiColin-Yt 24 дня назад
Sonic generations had already aged like a fine wine imo so its hard to make it better
@afhamdanish1957
@afhamdanish1957 3 месяца назад
Damn we really are sweating sonic fans right now
@JaydanPuriel
@JaydanPuriel 3 месяца назад
Especially when it comes to the 3rd Sonic Movie
@Ang3LofSp4rK
@Ang3LofSp4rK 3 месяца назад
Remastering isn't only about graphical fidelity. It's okay if you wanna focus on that; and you did say at the start of the vid that that's what you'd be talking about specifically. But I just hope you know that remastering isn't completely comprised of graphical fidelity.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
I mean that's kinda the whole idea of remastering a game. Making it look better and up to date on modern hardware.
@Butwhythough881
@Butwhythough881 3 месяца назад
I think it comes down to engine differences. Generations is built on Hedgehog Engine 1, the same engine as Unleashed, and is much weaker compared to HE2, which is used for Forces, Frontiers, and you guessed it, Shadow Generations. While it I’m not too mad over it, I understand why some might be a bit disappointed. That being said, I prefer it being as close as possible to the original then trying to remaster it with HE2 and possibly screw up the feel and control.
@sammyjaohnson5631
@sammyjaohnson5631 2 месяца назад
Hedgehog engine is for lighting the games are built on what ever in house engine sega has or havok or somthing im not sure
@LostinaMemory
@LostinaMemory 3 месяца назад
You’re allowed to have your own opinion, however this isn’t false advertisement by your own logic. You clearly understand that this release has a higher resolution and double the frame rate than the original console release of this game yet you say that it’s not “enhanced visuals.” Resolution and frame rate alone are enhanced visuals. Great video though, you got us to engage with it!
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Those are enhanced visuals yes. But those were already available in certain versions of the game. So I think my point still stands. But thank you for watching!
@spaghetti__
@spaghetti__ 2 месяца назад
Sonic Fans... Never happy.
@oomi9030
@oomi9030 3 месяца назад
Tbh, I’m glad they didn’t change how the game looks I don’t want another Sonic Colors Ultimate
@warriorofthegrandline2y618
@warriorofthegrandline2y618 3 месяца назад
*Ultrashit
@zentendoxn8955
@zentendoxn8955 3 месяца назад
Nintendo and Sega. One usually puts lots of effort into their own games but hates when fans do anything interesting with them, and the other puts very little effort into their own games and lets the fans do all the work. Pick your poison.
@AFSconnie
@AFSconnie 9 дней назад
stop saying swaering pls
@bluequills80
@bluequills80 3 месяца назад
I think the point of the remaster is to have It on next gen consoles for console owners, not everyone use a PC or mods to play games especially for a game that's been stuck on the PS3 and Xbox 360 for a decade, And I don't think it needs a graphical change when it's visuals still hold up to this day.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Then that's a port, not a remaster
@ahumbledude757
@ahumbledude757 2 месяца назад
then.. why re-release it?
@fnsonicrick
@fnsonicrick 2 месяца назад
Not just PC, anybody with an xbox series X pops their 360 disc in and bam 4K60. If there is no upgrade beyond that as a huge sonic fan I simply will just not buy it and save my money.
@bluequills80
@bluequills80 2 месяца назад
@@ahumbledude757 it's been 14 years...
@bluequills80
@bluequills80 2 месяца назад
@@fnsonicrick most people don't have Xbox either.
@socheata643
@socheata643 3 месяца назад
They have a new one that you have to rescue the Chaos, and have an option to switch sides to Sonic to Shadow. And it has a new drop dash and etc!
@Girbekafecon
@Girbekafecon 3 месяца назад
Bro turned into gigachad 💀
@EzekielBread-fv1xc
@EzekielBread-fv1xc 3 месяца назад
i'm honestly excited to play this, remaster or not, i never played the game, but now i will and nobody will ruin this experience for me.
@RandomAnimeGamer
@RandomAnimeGamer 3 месяца назад
If moving it to HE2 fixes the softlock and crash issues, I'm all in
@RandomAnimeGamer
@RandomAnimeGamer 3 месяца назад
Also I don't necessarily believe the trailers used 2011 footage, but a lot of game journalists are doing this
@oOSonicexeOo
@oOSonicexeOo 3 месяца назад
While I agree with the whole don’t harass people over an opinion thing. The problem is that the don’t take video games so seriously argument doesn’t work when you look at how obsessed people get over things like cars or sports or even food or just things that they care about in general. Especially if the thing they care about requires them to spend money to have access to.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Huh?
@oOSonicexeOo
@oOSonicexeOo 3 месяца назад
@@SFproductions1 I’m basically saying that humans can get obsessed with literally anything and take things so seriously that they sometimes will throw their entire life’s away if it means getting what they want no matter how insignificant what they want might seem.
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
And that's not a good thing, especially when they result to harassing others
@oOSonicexeOo
@oOSonicexeOo 3 месяца назад
@@SFproductions1 I’m not saying it’s a good thing I’m just saying it’s literally pointless to tell people that something is pointless because of how obsessed people can get but I do agree with you.
@4dshow229
@4dshow229 3 месяца назад
Hey did you know classic sonic's top quill is actually longer? I learned it from a sam procrastinates life stream, now I can never unsee this. And if you or anyone else sees this comment, then you will probably also never unsee it.
@Jt-2335_
@Jt-2335_ 3 месяца назад
Ya bro I played on 360
@ConcordiaJedi
@ConcordiaJedi 3 месяца назад
I feel like I might be the only one who doesn't care much about resolution or graphics, or whatever. As long as it plays well, I'll be happy.
@AMAZIAH
@AMAZIAH День назад
Tbh if this was simply a port same graphics and everything, 30 price tag. I'd still buy it. Cause all I wanted since I got my PS4 in 2015 was to have this game on my modern consoles. I have a disc copy of this game for my ps3 and I don't play it because of the work it'd take to just get to the damn game.
@EdgyRoseBoi
@EdgyRoseBoi 3 месяца назад
I was honestly thinking the same thing, I’m not seeing much of a difference in the so called “remaster” while Shadow Generations is having some great quality! Honestly the developers need to learn the definition of REMASTER, they have the power to do it!
@user-vacgod2739
@user-vacgod2739 3 месяца назад
I’m pretty sure I have NO faith in Shadow X Generations after the last remaster that was Sonic Colors: Ultimate. That remake was an ABSOLUTE DUMPSTER FIRE of a remake that ALMOST NOBODY EVER asked for.
@TheSultan1470
@TheSultan1470 3 месяца назад
user-vaccinationgod
@JustaWatcher769
@JustaWatcher769 3 месяца назад
1:30 at the beginning of one of the trailers it says it's footage from the PC version. Which probably means the normal Sonic Generations footage is from the original versions of the game.(I might be wrong that's just what I'm guessing)
@JoshuaRodroguez-hz5yb
@JoshuaRodroguez-hz5yb 3 месяца назад
I know you’re allowed to complain, but godamn, you take it to the next level
@spdr_nja9000
@spdr_nja9000 3 месяца назад
If I had a nickel for every time Sega made a "remaster" of a "best-selling" Sonic game, I'd have four. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened four times now...
@alexcasey9270
@alexcasey9270 15 часов назад
I honstly think the graphics are fine it’s a cartoonish game in general and always have been the game looks fine anyway but I feel like we have been so spoiled with graphics becoming so good and everything else on that end we don’t stop to enjoy the game we are getting new content I think it shouldn’t be full priced how it is but I’d go back and play the original sonic just for the hell of it and it’s still fun idc about the graphics to this game as long as it’s fun still and the mechanics work properly I could be low balling my whole statement here but I feel the price for the game is the only down fall maybe a little cheaper and I think sales would be great too aside from just the hype of a decent sonic game again
@sanicsanic6890
@sanicsanic6890 3 месяца назад
i think by "visual enhancements" they mean from hardware at the time or the og console versions like the "new characters" bullshit in Origins
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
Oh the "new characters" thing still pisses me off to this day 😭😭
@AdondeBoy
@AdondeBoy 3 месяца назад
Well, I know it's outdated by now, but point 2 wasn't as unlikely as you'd think, that was already the case for S3&K in Origins, the trailer footage was emulated and in 4:3, but yeah, it made more sense for that case and now we can see that gens is going to be the same
@SFproductions1
@SFproductions1 3 месяца назад
True however unlike Generations, the origins trailer said that it was using Original Gameplay in the corner of the screen
@Potadel
@Potadel 17 часов назад
I’m not really hyped towards it realizing how colors and frontiers turned out. (Good games, not up to standards with quality)
@XanderVandenberghen
@XanderVandenberghen 3 месяца назад
" i should be alowed to criticise some aspects that don't suit me." Bro sounds like a karen
@virgin2.076
@virgin2.076 День назад
I don't really focus on graphics at all even still the Xbox 369 version of this games looks beautiful even still I don't really mind if they don't change things in sonic stages
@wherelswar
@wherelswar 24 дня назад
it is what is is
@noaht2005
@noaht2005 День назад
Although I feel generations looks good as it is, I would have liked to see some graphical improvements, even if that is just putting it in Hedgehog Engine 2 with enhanced lighting and models
@theTieDieFoxy
@theTieDieFoxy 19 часов назад
I didnt watch video just to say but im not sure how sonic generations can get remastered because it doesnt seem like its needed
@JB-hj1qt
@JB-hj1qt 3 дня назад
That's why the amount of additional content will be a make-or-break for me personally. Sure the new Shadow stuff looks cool, but if it only covers like an hour of gameplay I will definitely not buy this for full price. Which also leads me to the question why Sega doesn't offer this game as a sort of paid DLC / Update for the original Generations, for a lower price for people who already own the original? At least on Steam that should be very much possible.
@Thegamer-uf9pn
@Thegamer-uf9pn День назад
I think the game doesent look better because for one not much to change in that type of animation and 2nd its a video probably looks better
@GXtera
@GXtera 2 месяца назад
sonic generations already was the best looking sonic game anyway which is funny because its hedgehog engine 1. something about hedgehog engine 2 lighting looks bad and generations was back when they had actual talent on the art team so the visuals and environments still hold up today better than most of the more recent titles. i think the shadow portion of the game might be running on HE2 though it has the same horrible lighting bloom as forces and frontiers.
@rickyasbury1878
@rickyasbury1878 2 дня назад
yeah that is a good point why say oh we're enhancing visuals when they also have other things they could advertise like the inclusion of chao and the inclusion of classic Sonic's drop dash
@Zemk1ng
@Zemk1ng День назад
i swear to god they better give us a discount on sonic x shadow generations if its the same files from sonic generations
@bigjake360t
@bigjake360t 2 дня назад
Personally I do not need resolution higher 1080. As long as a game runs at a stable frame rate. 4K assets just inflate the file size.
@DarkkirbyKRPG
@DarkkirbyKRPG 3 месяца назад
The only thing I'd personally want changed, even though I don't think I'm buying Gens for a 4th time, would be the weird lighting Green Hill has on Modern Sonic's skin. His skin gets greenish whenever you play in Green Hill for some reason.
@Wheatley_online
@Wheatley_online 4 дня назад
well i personally don't have a problem with this since as you said the game allready looks good but i would also never harass anyone for rightfully calling sega out for not remastering the game
@fnawfan
@fnawfan 3 месяца назад
Sonic Generations + Shadows Fury
@MrGameplay2498
@MrGameplay2498 3 месяца назад
Fancy seeing you here!
@AdamSelvig
@AdamSelvig 2 месяца назад
I’m only getting this for shadow generations if sonic generations is only gonna be the original game ported to PS5 than I have no reason to play that on PS5 I have the only valid reason to play shadow generations
@mdstevens0612
@mdstevens0612 7 дней назад
If they aren't really going to remaster gens, I wish they'd just update PC gens and let us PC players buy Shadow Generations as standalone DLC. For console players, this is huge and especially for Switch. But for PC players... It's kind of a rip off.
@averageenthusiast7616
@averageenthusiast7616 4 дня назад
the “stop complaining we’re getting new content” argument is so braindead, this game isn’t free. Of course we can complain about it, Sonic isn’t a charity it’s a product.
@Pory02
@Pory02 5 дней назад
It is important HOW people criticise things! HOW they say it! But some people are too "simple minded" to understand that...
@hgchatgurl1
@hgchatgurl1 10 дней назад
I don't know if the opinion of nothing looking graphically better makes it false advertising or lying for them to say that the visuals are enhanced. I think clearer backgrounds could constitute as visual enhancement.
@somisimons
@somisimons 6 дней назад
In my opinion, even GTA Trilogy: Definitive Edition is a better remaster, SEGA needs to understand that porting and upscaling video resolution isn't the only things that make a remaster.
@Artzaint
@Artzaint 7 дней назад
honestly, even though they look graphically different, i think generations looks perfectly good even by today's standarts. it has it's own style. i'd rather have the game look virtually the same (maybe with enhanced textures) rather than destroy the artstyle like they did with Colors Ultimate
@StarThingyIMeanCosmic
@StarThingyIMeanCosmic 2 часа назад
Is just Mario 3d World + Bowsers Fury all over again
@JimBeaz
@JimBeaz 4 дня назад
4:54 sometimes it is. if people get angry over someone saying get gud about a game like elden ring, it is that important.
@littlebigplaylbpgames9676
@littlebigplaylbpgames9676 3 месяца назад
This is the 4th backlash it is a remaster not a remake...
@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious
@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious 22 дня назад
It's already called Sonic X Shadow Generations, wich doesn't mention any changes made to the Sonic part itself. But everything else that does could, and i'd say should, be removed. Because it could be like: "hey here's a re-release of that cool Sonic game from 2011 for the newer consoles. Oh yeah and there's also this new game we're working on, it's gonna be a 2 for 1 deal". But as it stands now, it is Colors Ultimate all over again
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