Is Spiral Abyss Breaking Genshin Impact? 

Honestly, the idea of making events challenging and then using the Abyss as a way for you to get event-materials after teh fact sounds interesting. The materials could rotate.

The thing is, if you only include 'motivation' to clear the abyss without either making the difficulty more reasonable (by spreading the spire across more floors for example) or giving players more tools to upgrade their characters without whaling and/or make character synergy matter more than plain whaling, all you have actually done is add yet more rewards for whales, who are the people who need them the least. "Git gud" only goes so far if it's essentially near impossible to git gud ENOUGH without spending a massive amount of $$$$$.

Dont worry new abbys coop is coming

WAIT THAT'S BRILLIANT.

@@DR...951 So what?

The irony is that it wouldn’t be a problem if the Abyss wasn’t time-based.

Exactly why I find it annoying whenever they put bosses in abyss

And the AI is also so bad in this game. Sometimes the enemies just stand there and don't attack you for some reason.

This is it fam... I've been struggling to 3 star floor 12-1 because those rift hounds run around the map and by i catch up, my burst is on cool down and now i need to build energy whilst still chasing after that annoying dog.. The Maguu Kenki was similar in a sense that it would teleport to the worst place possible and sometimes it teleported at the worst time possible ruining your rotation forcing you to have to build up energy again while still chasing it down

@@purp1e200 *flashbacks to the old 12-3 with the ruin doritos* God that 12-3 was just full on headache. Enemy ai was so random you had to pray that rng gods were in your favour and have them group up together for you to burst them down or else have fun trying to chase them around while losing time

Yeah, I'm locked in at wl6 ar50 due to the powercreep, and even at this level we're still getting the shards for daily comms, low probability on highest level domains (I get 1 gold talent book every 4-5 runs in talent domains), and piddly gem drops from world bosses, not to mention how even the hero's guide becomes basically ineffective after level 50. Like, the grind is so artificially protracted because the rewards scaling is so horrible.

the rewards are a literal slap to the face “oh? you are AR 100? here, 2 acquaint fates and 12 fowl!”

Everything about the endgame feels underdeveloped. World levels past 6 do almost nothing for rewards and instead just scales up enemy levels. AR leveling is barely meaningful past 45 and completely meaningless past 55. There are no domains past AR45, and even if there were some, the AR55 ones would likely be extremely difficult and basically unplayable if you wanted to farm them. Plus, for the Spiral Abyss: I've been playing since the second Zhongli banner and I still feel like I'm behind. I'm grinding too, running artifact routes, completing all quests, etc. But it feels like I'm never going to be able to 36 star the Abyss. At this point, I've stopped trying to get to 12-3 like I used to. I go as far in as possible until I get annoyed. Then I just ignore it until the reset. Hopefully getting Ganyu will change that for me. But I'm not sure.

@@mattgriffin0231 you don’t have to complete it if it annoys you man, Genshin is a flawed game if you remove the amazing music, lore, character designs and world design then all you have left is a game that is so damn underdeveloped and flawed with endgame content that sucks and nothing to do all day after completing the available quests and events

@@bozosinc.6252 who told you to play Genshin 24/7? RU-vid REALLLY loves trying to turn this into an MMO its not and never will be.

Yup

It could be similar to mobs arena on minecraft, the enemies start out pretty easy to handle but later they level up, multiply and grow stronger

I don't want to get one tapped by fatui punchers no thanks :D

right? the arena event with xinyan was so much better

they did this with the protect the tower sort of floors but that just makes it so u really could only clear it with characters that could help gather the enemies together like venti/kazuha/sucrose since 3 stars was based on how high the hp of the tower was after the enemies were all defeated. Something with a survival also could also be cheesed by tons of dmg. As they say, the best defense sometimes is the best offense.

This. It's pretty much a given to keep retrying just to get a good AI RNG in order to get 36 stars. It's no fun at all, just straight up annoying af. To the point where I'm thinking if all that hard work is even worth the extra 50 primos.

And there's people who complain when a beta enemy is nerfed, jesus.

for real! it feels like the only way to beat so many of these new mobs is with a freeze comp, which is so dumb & rules out so many good team comps for people whose characters don't have flawless stats. spiral abyss is supposed to be a dps check, but they're just turning it into a game of chase.

Not gonna lie , you don't want them to have annoying mechanics, so only thing that can be done is increase the HP , which is essentially what mihoyo is doing , yet people are complaining about it becoming a DPS check ....

@@manjunath414 a single rifthound is worth a million hp on floor 12-3 and it runs around all the place away from you. It's not just hp so you are just wrong

yo don't underestimate the first abyss bro that shit was cryo hell condensed ice disorder, cryo claw aura, falling icicles non stop I still have nightmares about it

@@RogerNbr IKR. I didn't even beat 12-1 that time it was a pain for me since xiangling was the only pyro char that I have built that time.

@@RogerNbr Healers back then were barbara, bennett, qiqi and jean. Most people don't use bennett back then, a lot don't have qiqi and jean. Barbara was given to everyone and it's the worst healer for the abyss at the time. I still have nightmares of getting freeze locked when trying to heal

the first was quite serious tho (esp since few players had good artis). but the second one and so on were much easier yea

And noone had built characters back then. Whales were AR 40-45 with maybe 1 or 2 semi built characters.

Me toooooo 😭

Same, Abyss wouldn't be so frustrating if it didn't have time constraints

wouldn't that take away the challenge though?

@@amyyhongg it is literally unplayable as a newer/weaker player

@@amyyhongg for whale and experiened player yeah but for those with trash artifacts and few characters it's a different story

The combat now just boils down to a numbers game, and that is an unhealthy direction if it keeps going for the long term. They could instead introduce innovative challanges with counter mechanics, rather than counter 5-star characters like the kokomi example in the video.

Literally need to use every single one of your character's skill and burst every 5 seconds

And now it's just about raising your numbers and having shields or getting stunlocked by enemies with super armor and element spam. Good god I hate the direction it's going just to lock out f2p from getting primogems.

This is the reason why hoyo is very confuse on what they should do next. There are someone that says abbys is like a cake and there are someone that has skill issue and blame that it is hard and key spamming 😂🤣

@@Winter-bt3os People with lucky strong artifacts and multiple strong 5 stars would find it easy, and those without would find it harder. that's about it. If their account couldn't reach the dps check it is impossible to get all primos in abyss due to the timer no matter how skills the player is or how perfect their rotation is.

I guess he means after endgame, yes, at endgame you should already have near optimal artifacts (cause optimal is impossible due to rng lmao) and then... That's it, you don't have anything else after obtaining good artifacts

@@elstrangeenemy887 not to mention the gameplay required to clear the Abyss once you have optimal artifacts is pretty simple as there is such a large range of damage you can get from constellations and better weapons. I can’t begin to imagine how bored the whales are since they’ve just been stomping through abyss every single time and never really have to strain their gameplay mechanics until a crazy event comes around

@@caseyimiller yeah I’m glad I’m not a whale, I think buying constellations is a waste, all you need is c0 for most 5 stars.

While it's true that there's a lot of luck involved in getting good artifacts, it is still somewhat proportional to effort. It's just a matter of probabilities: The more artifacts you farm for, the higher your chance of getting a good one. It's possible to be extremely unlucky or extremely lucky, but for the average player, grinding artifacts for a long time will give you great results. The problem is that a lot of people find the process boring - understandably so - and therefore don't farm artifacts in an efficient way. You really don't need many 5 star characters to 36* abyss as long as you truly commit to the artifact grind.

@@Akai93 Yeah, I am someone who enjoys doing resource collection and management for fun; so I have nearly all my characters built at this point. (Not fully maxed out to their potential, but built enough that I can use them in the open world without them getting one shot) So this is fun for me, but I understand this not being fun for those who don’t want to have to be so patient for these things in a game.

mihoyo should employ you 😭

YEEEEESSSSS

My man you just fixed a whole end game here

​@@thinkingphoenix4213 Thanks :). I just hope they make some changes soon. When the abyss was easier, my characters weren't yet properly geared. Now that they are, the content has gotten so much harder, but the overworld is so easy, and now I'm in a weird spot. I'm F2P so far, and only plan to spend on cosmetics, but the current abyss just doesn't feel worth it anymore which sucks.

I love this idea this is the exact reason why I loved the Inazuma domain event

An abyss shop would be super interesting.

Good idea, character skins who 36 stars gets special skins per version

I would take a name card or a teapot board at this point.

Sounds interesting. ​Additional motivator is definitively necessary. I went to 12-3 for the achievement and the name card that came with it (only 3/9 stars since I don't have enough DPS power nor enough characters to make 2 good teams). Didn't have the motivation to try floor 12 ever since.

an event shop with coins to buy skins would literally make me play abbys 24/7 fck the story Im not finding my sister no more I want maid venti

thats way too generous for mihoyo

@@pexches maybe only for standard banner 5*?

8:1 or beyond might be a more realistic cost. Similar to how you get a minimum of eight 4-stars otw to hard pity.

@@pexches honestly. Even if it weren't a stella fortuna, at least give us a full 10-pull for 36*. Like... 600 primos won't even get u 4 pulls. Wtf am i gonna do with 3 pulls? Getting 10 pulls every 2 weeks seems more accessible and makes getting 5* easier

whenever we get a monolith people complain, but I think the larger reason is that there isn't really any mid-combat resource limiter In most traditional RPGs you'd run out of mana after a certain time so you'd have to manage it more effectively. Genshin doesn't have mana which makes it easier for the casual audience, but at the cost of it being a potential endgame challenge to work with

if it was more survivability focused than dps check, healers and defensive characters in general would be in higher demand ALONGSIDE dps

@@proles8 people only complained about the earlier monolith floors and the main reason for that were the electro and hydro debuffs you got, it made using skills and burst really hard to use which made cc really difficult, this abyss has a monolith and no one is complaining about that the main complaint I always hear about is rifthounds

@@A-AdityaFrancis fair enough

@@tomdata3340 True. Imagine if some floors required your team in a certain amount of health to gain stars. Not just the timed ones.

Exactly! They should've just added more floors.

The abyss esp Floor 12 is not meant for newer players ... and u dont really lose anything by not doing it .. like at all ... Its almost as if its designed to be that way And also most ppl who play this game ... aren't very good at the game at all soo .. there's also that

@@Inquisite1031 You shouldn't speak facts, people hate that in recent years. I met this new player who has been playing for a month and complained how Abyss is too hard.........I was like really? Of course it will be too hard for you, go farm dungeons and work on your story mode yo.

@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 the problem being that making a character good relies on artifact rng and resin that depletes quickly when you do play. For people who do not farm everyday, Spiral Abyss getting harder and harder makes it way more difficult for players to catch up. While in the same time, not increasing the difficulty of spiral abyss makes the hardcore players bored. Character progression in Genshin isn't as predictable or as fair as other single player games.

@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 but of course your superiority complex has to get in the way of all sense of reasoning

I’m a veteran player who is a very low spender (5 dollars every few months for welkin) and my luck has been very good since the start of the game; but even I have given up on 12 stars at this point. It’s just not worth it, I just finish floor 11 and dip.

Like hours of hours worth retry , and months wasted resin , not even 1 FCKNG PULL!?

As a f2p ar57, I think 33 stars is manageable considering I can do it even with bad card buffs on floor 12. Getting those 3 stars in 12-3 is where it's definitely not worth the time and effort. Although, I still do it for the primos.

fellow F2P here, been playing since first albedo banner, currently 33* in abyss for last 3 rotations, but the way its getting harder is awful, it took me several hours and multiple rage quits to get 6th star on floor 12

f2p, playing since 1.4, i can 6star floor 11, yey me

Have different environments as well. The wooden interior got pretty boring very quickly.

This game and company is full of this, they make or copy something good but don't understand it, don't understand what makes it good, and just keep failing, making a boring game, when it could be much better...

No it was shit. I hated it. Way too close to the ELysian Realm in Honkai IMpact that I also hate. It's an overly long empty experience with no fun to be had. The game's strength is not it's combat. It is the exploration.

@@GeorgeMonet and how tf emd game in a rpg can be made with exploration?

@@GeorgeMonet how are you spewing so much bullshit with so much confidence?

Bruh you're only 2 months in, way too early to say you'll never even see F12 lul. Unless you whale, 36* is a more long term goal, took me 4 months without spending any money, and that was pre 2.0.

You can get 3 stars in all floors with F2P characters only

No kidding about the RNG. I have been farming the Momoji-Dyed Court domain since the day it came out months ago and I still do not have a single decent set of either artifact type.

exactly my point. Come at me , kill me and pummel me to oblivion. I love the energy amplifier cause its all about survivability and managing rotations.

@@abhiss6705 it will even make healers more useful

Exactly, it's like you're fighting mosquitos that can only bite you and then run away after 1 second, they are not hard to kill, they don't hurt that much, but you're asking me to speedrun killing them when they're just flying around while we can't hit them at all? That's like asking a fish to snipe down a bird

Lol try the new abyss it's great

@@A-AdityaFrancis yeah I love the new one rn lol easily get 9* from floor 9-11 with lvl 80 party

For me to get a full abyss clear, it took me 4 and main issue was that my characters were not lvl 89. (supports can stay low lvl) The AR is also a issue for any new player and i dont think Imazuma gives that much tho. But you do need 2 characters to dps and different elements to be able to deal with higher AR bosses.

@@Bullminator thats old abyss strat, the way it is now supports needs more investment to reach the DPS check

I started on Kokomi's banner but Ig I got somewhat lucky in artifacts so all my characters are above average in build (my Xiao artifacts, though, I think are pretty great). I've cleared 12-2 but didn't get any stars. I play on mobile, so it's nearly impossible to clear the content unless I can ultra-up the DPS of my characters, since there's always DPS loss when I click on the wrong character or my phone does't register my finger and the character rushes to the wrong way, etc.

@@Grim_Bud Yeah it does for a all star clean. But you can clear floor 12 with not fully build team.

Bruh I feel this on a spiritual level. I’ve been hard grinding this game, joined at the end of Eula banner, got myself to AR49 now and still widely struggle with spiral abyss. With a Eula based and Xiao based team I find that some of the dungeons are very difficult just based on my limited variety of teams and my character levels. But I’d rather be on this side of things than being able to easily 36star and just sit and wait for another 2 weeks for easy primo gems. What I would prefer is the difficulty for stage 12 doesn’t scale up over time, but rather the trial goes up to say stage 16 and those who normally easily clear would have those to fight for the max rewards

The abyss shouldnt be easy enough to clear on my first try. I enjoy test running each floor and building a strategy and team comp specifically suited to this floor. At the same time the way they try to make the enemies harder is just annoying. There is strategy in abyss still. If the enemy moves too much and u cnt hit it, than freeze it. If its attacks are annoying then stun lock it with overload. Many enemies can be beaten by using crystalize to replace a healer slot for a more damaging character to fit more dps. Expecting to use ur one favorite character everywhere would ruin the entire point of collecting and mismatching characters. The specific abyss buff typically benefit a few other characters as well, most characters arent that unique

They won't do that because they'll lose sales.

The fact that they care about the little sales they would lose compared to what they already make is just insane. Greedy company.

@@SakuroAlex Fair enough. But if they were to add Stellar Fortuna, I'd agree if it were for 4* characters but definitely not 5* characters because it kills their rarity. Honestly, from a criticism point of view, this addition kills the gacha system so it won't happen, but it's a nice addition.

@@theunluckydude5458 They can do something like limiting the 5* constellation to c1 or c2 and having the character in the first place. Other games do stuff like that(PGR). Might even motivate more people to whale since they "only" need 4 more copies for c6.

@@theunluckydude5458 it doesn't kill the gacha system at all. If you're only able to use it once per character. Or make it a 100-200 stars requirement.

Personally, I just go through floor 12 without really caring if I can 9* it. I know how strong or weak my characters are, and I'll take what I can get. I'd take 100 primos and call it a wrap

@@reed3863 same here i just try once,with my best team comp if i dont get 9 stars its ok.

I'll take my 3 stars on floor 12 and call it a day,

@@reed3863 I ironic part is I ignore the daily login rewards which give 60 primos and then proceed to waste 1 hr clearing the new floor 12. Hell I even ditch some web events

I just play it once and no matter how many stars I get, I just don't go back to it ever again until the reset. Kind of like daily comms because let's face it, spiral abyss isn't really an enjoyable activity to destress with

i like everything except elemental limitations. it will force you to use a different character which bring up a lot of issues. 1, it would mean that you’ll need to spend your VERY limited resources to build another character. 2, it would destroy your team comp which can possibly lead you to issue 1. 3, there’s a chance that the character you want to test your limit with or has been putting your resources turns out to be totally unusable. i’m not saying these issues are unsolveable but i’m just saying that challenges should stay inside skill category

imma be honest this is a fucking terrible idea lmfao

@@danielartenie6248 at least i have ideas and am not some fucking hateful bore

Take a page out of God of War's challenges.

Exactly, I play through a single time and if I only get to 12-1 or 12-2 then so be it. I don't even bother to try again.

You get more primogems just from doing your daily commissions

i dont think mihoyo really even intended for player to play abyss at this rate. they just added it as a sort of filler content. There had been 0 updates to how abyss works, 0 changes to abyss mechanics outside of abyss benediction , there has been 0 abyss related events basically i dont think mihoyo pay attention to abyss much , its just there because mihoyo knows whales with no skill will be happy to pay money to clear it and then go on YT to pander to f2ps with no skill lol

Yup, I feel like mihoyo is just throwing new enemies to the abyss whatsoever

@@Ben-vg6ox It's pretty much just something for whales to flex their damage on while keeping the rest of the game manageable; the rewards are low so there's not much that's missed out on by casual players Spiral is just the closest thing to challenging since most of the game is not geared towards a grand challenge like hardcores want

@@Ben-vg6ox ironically they do this on their other game (honkai). it's like they took out all the enjoyable parts of honkai and just doubled all the annoying parts. abyss here actually reminds of the "blockade" in honkai - i whaled in honkai and still struggled to clear more than one level of that. even the abyss there was unenjoyable, it was just about how many gacha weapons and limited-run artifacts ("stigmata", which had to be pulled via gacha or weeks of farming), because you were ranked against other players (rewards scaled accordingly). but the rest of the content was too easy. so i ended up quitting.

We're much in the same boat, I'm AR52 at the moment with only my two main dps characters (Eula and Keqing) having their final ascensions. The way I see it, Spiral Abyss is much more fun for us casuals/late starters since we can say "I've reached 11th floor in spiral abyss even though I'm many months behind in progress". That being said, I believe the best course of action for Mihoyo would be to add another 3 or 4 floors so people who do manage to full clear Spiral Abyss can actually wear it as a badge of honor.

@@DelayedScatter Man, if you're "many months behind" in progress, i never wanted to upgrade bennett just cuz people said "it's a necessity" and i really don't like it in any game. I don't like when so little things actually work, or when the things that work are expensive and tedious to get. Like it's an RPG, it's supposed to be completed with WHAT YOU HAVE and not WHAT DDEVELOPERS WANT.

@@Malam_NightYoru someone once said: "Gacha games are like roguelikes in a way. You need to find a way how to make due with the resources you have at your disposal." The two abyss teams I'm running are mono Cryo with VV (Eula-Shenhe-Rosaria-Jean) and Keqing taser (Keq-Traveler (Electro)-Xingqiu-Noelle). Neither team is ideal, the first would be better off with Ayaka or Ganyu as main dps, and the second one really needs Raiden to work as intended, but it works for me.

@@DelayedScatter I mean, genshin kinda bruteforce you to get better characters. I want to not play bennett. I want to not play Xingqiu. I want to play Keqing, Amber, Noelle, Fischl... Considering other characters, they ARE weak. It's not even fair.

it'd give me a reason to bother even throwing a sideways glance at abyss because I know for a fact I won't be able to muster the dps to complete it, if that reward was there I'd throw myself at it no matter if my team is only 4 stars

What about sales for Mihoyo? For example, lets say you are pulling for Zhongli, but you want to have a yunjin so badly. A pretty normal situation right? A player liking new character that is released and wants to pull for that character, not too uncommon. Situation 1: You decide to pull for her and try to get only her without getting shenhe. You pull, you don't get Yunjin, and you managed to get a Shenhe. Now, you don't have the primogems to pull Zhongli, and you are forced to spend money because Zhongli won't come for a 4th time. In the end, Mihoyo gets a profit, whether you get a Yunjin or you don't get a Yunjin. Situation 2: Mihoyo adds the feature of the extra stella fortuna, now you finish the abyss, and then you choose Yunjin, now you have a Yunjin, and Mihoyo doesn't get enough sales because everybody gets a Yunjin if they clear abyss. Situation 3: If Mihoyo sees that everybody is clearing the abyss, they will make it harder and harder to a point where only whales can complete it, and whales will be spending money anyway, so they don't lose anything, but it will come to a point where you won't get a Yunjin, neither will you 36 star and you will lose the primogems that you could have gotten when the abyss was easier before. Conclusion: So think in all angles before you post a comment like this, because the company Mihoyo is the reason you are playing this game. Even they deserve some sales and respect for creating this masterpiece. Thank you all for reading this and have nice day!

hm abyss resets pretty frequently so a stella fortuna every 2 weeks sounds a bit too generous. one every month or two would be nice though

@@spoiusm A bow with random 4 star weapon should be enogh tho.

Let's be brutal honest here: they won't change basically nothing that are Core to the game (rewards, artifact rng, gacha) while the game is still that much profitable. We need a competitor to Genshin, but we don't know when, even if this will happen.

part of it is because of the oh so holy mobile player base who for some reason are the reason for all the playerbase to suffer and lag behind because we cant add permnanent content because the mobile base wouldnt be able to keep up in storage. Even though, multi layered games exist and should be the case for genshin, it sucks that at least PC and ps players cant have permanent windtrace, mystic dungeon, theatre mechinanus etc. And even then, the mobile players could choose and download the ones they want if storage allows and depending on their device. but....one year in and nothing much has changed so I doubt any of this is going to happen, sumeru will be released and we will still have 160 resin and only 3 resin half oppurtunity for weekly boss, and no resin change for world bosses and no new addition to talent and weapon domains or any changes to spiral abyss structure. And many a new fun events will come and go in sumeru and we will have to wait several months for them to come back because......thats how it is.

Labyrinth Warriors is like the better version of abyss. You have the option to dial it down if you just want the rewards while you have the option to dial it up if you want to challenge yourself.

@@lostblueboy sorry for making you guys suffer...

@@ndeyedraws ....stop dude, its not directed at the players but at the game and the minority of players who for some reason want nothing to be changed and want everyone bound to mobile player base restrictions. Its mhy that treats the playerbase all as one monolith even though they are on different levels.

@@lostblueboy so mhy needs to implement different features for different platform? /GenQ

Additionally, the usage rates of spiral abyss full clears is no doubt inflated by whales who payed money on their 5* characters. No mystery why they would use them over equally viable 4* options.

Honestly this. For me, artifact farming is just a chore. The fact that you can use a whole month worth of resin and still get complete garbage (so many layers of rng) is just plain demotivating. I don't even feel good when I get a "decent" (aka didn't roll def/hp more than 2x) artifact, I just feel empty since it took me weeks of stalled progress just for this single artifact.

making the resin system gone doesn’t fix the problem it probably will make it even worst or even potentially kill the game if you uncap the progression system for players then at some point there’s no reason to grind anymore therefore there’s nothing to chase in the game anymore if all you’re characters are built bc they uncapped the resin honestly stop saying they need to do this it’s not gonna happen anyways and it would 100% kill the game

@@andrewchatman622 I would agree with your point if the artifact RNG is not that bad. I’m day 1 player yet a lot of my characters’ artifacts set are still copium to this day. Only 3 that I would consider “decent enough” artifact set while the rest are still using random artifacts with decent substats just because the RNG for the same artifact set is so bad. If abyss only requires 4 characters then sure, it’s not bad, but we are using 8 characters in there. If I have to choose getting bored from having all my favorite characters built to getting bored from having my favorite characters not built, then ofc I would choose the former.

@@Arpin_Lusene i understand that i’ve been there me and my friends were complaining about that for months until we finally got our characters built and understand that the rng aspect of artifact grinding is kinda of a must it’s in majority of gacha games this isnt an exclusive thing to genshin you just have to be smart with your rolls and keep grinding but i would most definitely say majority of players would 100% quit the game if it was like this mostly bc theirs no pvp aspect to extend the playability you build all you’re characters with cracked out artifcats and max levels and talents within a few weeks and 36* abyss what now? 36* abyss 200 more times with different teams? fight over world mobs and bosses who are much weaker then abyss mobs? just look at something like epic seven after you built all your characters and can clear most late game content easily guess what theirs pvp so theirs still something fun to do and improve on genshin isn’t like this which is why i fear for its future since they’ve showed no signs of improving late game at all

@@andrewchatman622 The thing is I don't roll for every new characters that appear, I mainly rotate between 5-6 characters that I personally like, and I've been using them since a long time, yet their artifacts set still left a lot to be desired. I don't understand why you say that the game stopping you completely from playing the game itself is a good thing. I used to play mmorpg and have to rely on terrible RNG for equipment drop, yet I keep playing it for years and years and don't hate the time that spent grinding, why? Because the game allowed me to play whenever and however long I want when I can. Sometimes I can't play the game for a long time and sometimes I can. When I can, I want to spend at least one hour grinding, yet I can't because of the resin system. I only spent like 6 minutes before my resin run out. I used to grind equipment in mmorpg with my friends, and in here, after resin run out, we pretty much have nothing to do. It really kills the fun.

abyss exclusive currency for abyss exclusive weapons and characters? sounds like a good motivation for me

@@yogandi8922 Kinda like the universal mirage items in honkai then...

Clearing Spirals abyss is not fun at all. Your clear time is entirely depend on the RNG of the mob (the wolf and boss RNG). So even if you cleared it with 36 stars, it does not feel fulfilling at all because it feels like you win because you are lucky this time and the game let you win, not because of your skill.

i agree, its insanely hard as someone who isn't even completely f2p (i buy welkin every month and sometimes the battle pass, when i can afford it)... i have a lot of characters which are considered meta, and yet it's still impossible for me to pass the last floor... unless you have flawless builds, i don't know how you can do it :/

"EVERY SINGLE SPIRAL is a DPS check" this simply isn't true. we've had couple of monolith defense levels that require strategies

Newer players that just cleared the spiral abyss floor 8 probably would feel like they entered floor 18 after floor 8. 🤣 This is not how it used to be back when the game first launched. 🤔

@@putent9623 no he means that adding more floors would give more rewards and reduce spending if ppl had more rewards..or so mihoyo's thought process is.

@@putent9623 Bottom line meaning their profits. The same company that made billions in profits within less than a year and won multiple awards for their game. Said company that is too scared to hand out ~30 free summons for a player's hard work as they scale through the game. That company.

@@putent9623 Genshin stans really be doing the most. Yes, Mihoyo is sacrificing their game's longetivity for the sake of more profits. Theres already a huge issue with content drought, and it wouldnt really hurt to give players, whales and F2P alike, more accessible and rewarding content with simple changes such as permanently adding event gamemodes. Bottom lines arent just about profits. Its balancing risk/reward for both developers and consumers. At the moment, Mihoyo is solely relying on the gacha addiction to earn money, which clearly has minimal risk for them since gambling addictions arent going away. Meaning they have room to give leeway to more F2P content. Players are barely earning anything in-game for the amount of work and time they have to put in to even keep up with the game's content, which is a waste of time for minimal payoff. They should be earning more in return for Mihoyo's insanely spiking growing profits. I cant believe I have to explain something so simple.

@@putent9623 And just because you cant be bothered to read a little and resort to ad hominem attacks, doesnt make my points invalid. You wanted to know why Mihoyo puts more care into profits, and I gave you an answer. And since you dont want to read, here: Mihoyo is greedy and sucks at pacing content. Take your own advice and dont comment something you dont care about. There are other places to praise a company's greedy practices and this place isnt one.

you underistimate the thirst the f2p have for rewards I kind of get it I am a low spender barely any different from them.

I think maybe having a big reward for just clearing floor 12 would be fine, it's already a fairly significant challenge

@@abdiabdi3225 That's mostly because the general reward amount in Genshin is pretty low across the board. Sure, there'd be more motivation, but that would just cause an increased burnout rate among newer players and create a sort of "class disparity" between people.

im f2p and i can clear floor 11 with 6stars, take it or leave it

@@viltautasYT I'm f2p and have one 6 star.

ill not login for a week

It’s better to uninstall If it’s giving you brain rot

@@abhiss6705 it does, but its like crack i cant stopp. i need to get all my babies!

I cant hit more than 30 stars 😂 Spent like $600 probably total which is pretty bad looking back at it

Hm, i think your issue was a bad resorce managment. A lot of players go waste time farming artifacts and they dont lvl character skill to at least 8 (wich is minimum for abyss). I did use up my crowns on my best dps characters and it makes a big difference.

One word.... Artifacts Like seriously, my rng is trash

@@Bullminator Believe me it's not. Kazuha is double crowned, c2 Zhongli has a crown, yoimiya is triple crowned, fischl has E at 13 and ult at 12 etc etc... Ayaka triple 8, Childe 8 9 9... I level my talents on both main dps and supports. I do admit that I don't really use meta teams, but I don't want to get 36 with a national team or a Morgana team (I can't actually do Morgana I don't have venti or ganyu), I want to 36* with Yoimiya and Fischl and see overload go brr. And valkyrie Oz or not, those rifthounds really mess up my Yois attacks. Honestly, right now my dps is fine if only those rifthounds stopped flitting around...

@@Bullminator yea totally a big difference, 5% increase in stats from a crown...such a big difference lmao

This is way too many words to say the potions are broken and trivialized all sense of challenge there might have been

I agree. Honestly the claim on raiden national was kinda off. I don’t have Raiden although I have been continuously getting 36* on abyss. I didn’t get her since I don’t like her playstyle nor do I feel the need to pull for her

even tho my raiden is heavily invested in my childe international does much better than raiden national

Raiden is honestly very replaceable in many of her comps, unless they have Sara in them. I think people who recommend her enjoy her as a damage bus who doesn't do small numbers herself

@@SeanValenciaaa yeah I’ve hardly used Raiden since pulling her, she’s literally my least used 5 star as I already had Childe and Kazuha filling out national perfectly. It’s also kind of bothersome trying to farm national ER again around Raiden, so essentially my supports could be gaining that benefit of more ER but you’d have to build them around it first to actually make use of it

yea tf was he talking about? raiden isnt must pull and neither is kazuha, but kazuha is still really good

you do you, traveller. You do you.

The thing is, some enjoy spiral abyss and some just ignores it and both are fine. I’m a spiral abyss enjoyer because i love maxing out my characters to their full potential as a F2P with 5 star characters but C0 & 4 star weapons. Genshin is a gacha game, so will have to roll characters to support other characters. Shenhe, Bennett, Kazuha to support you chongyun for example. I main and triple crowned Beidou and i can still clear 36 star because of other characters to support her. So, in terms of enjoying spiral abyss or not is up to each players’ POV. It’s not ruining to community.

Floor 12 multiplies all enemy hp by 2.5x which is why the bosses in abyss have such stupid inflated hp stats of 1 million +

@@zan8063 Ruining is too loud of a word from me tbh-- I myself do enjoy the abyss quite a lot, I just, don't like the way some people are crazy over "how good the character X is" in every new patch, basically choosing "how good they are" by the abyss performance, sometimes ignoring the aspect of fun

Chongyun is alright he is just a support who lacks characters to properly support with his unique E but also they gave him damage consts like ?? He should go up a bit with shenhe in the game rewarding cryo infusions

but that's the point. they're doing this on purpose, so people don't just stick to the old characters and pull for new ones. it doesn't work in genshin like it would in some other gacha games, because the amount of elements and character roles is limited. player most likely will already have a 'f2p' substitute for every new character genshin is currently trying to promote. take kokomi, for example. they introduced the wolf enemies and corrosion mechanic as a way to make healers more useful. they didn't fix the existing bigger problem (like the fact that some healers just take up a spot in the party that could be used by a sub dps, or they might not provide any synergy for a specific team comp), instead they created another one and slapped a new character on top of it like it's a fix. now, because we already have a lot of healers, I don't think that kokomi's sales could get boosted just by adding a new type of enemy into the abyss. what this whole thing did instead is cut down a bit on zhongli's usefulness. and here lies their main problem: because mhy clearly have no set in stone plan for how many characters there will be and which role every one of them will fill, there is no way to guarantee that the character they release now won't ruin their sales on other characters that will come out in the future - they can't balance in advance, because the meta keeps changing. and their solution to this problem? plain old power creep and stupid little changes to the spiral abyss. people don't want to pull on new banners because they already have zhongli/xiao/bennett, etc.? just show them that their old units are actually a lot less useful and much weaker in the current version of the game. gacha games never change.

@@daydihey3045 To be fair, when done right, it makes for a more versatile world and team comps. For example, literally no one would build healers prior to rifthounds. Genshin literally became Geo Impact after Zhongli buff and Geo buff. So far there literally has been no power creep. The OG 4-stars and OG 5-stars haven't been displaced in their own element. Diluc still is the most consistent DPS in game. Jean still is a great support depending on your team comp. Mona still is a great buffer. Qiqis heals still are pretty big. Powercreep isn't an issue at all concerning characters. They just need to adjust abyss in general and lower the HP threshold. Also, Xiao, Bennett, and Zhongli haven't gotten weaker at all. Benny and Zhong still are the most used units while Xiao is just like when he was released, average. The only thing that has changed is that Unga Bunga doesn't work anymore like standing in Bennetts burst while facing Kinky being a death trap or not being able to just tank everything with Zhongli.

@@doppelsotria4620 genshin is, overall, an easy game. you can clear most content with literally any unit available. no one is saying that zhongli is bad or that bennett isn't that widely used nowadays - I'm just pointing out the fact that all mhy do is add a new type of enemy/change up the abyss to make the new unit they're currently promoting seem more useful (and I used kokomi as an example of this). my point was: mhy don't plan in advance, and the way they go about doing things is typical to any other gacha game out there: hu tao can objectively out-dps diluc, zhongli loses a bit of his usefulness in certain situations, in certain team comps (itto) bennett should be swapped for gorou, etc. I myself main zhongli, xiao and bennett, and they're great, but it doesn't mean that power creep isn't happening.

bruh if u are a casual u wouldnt care about resin cap , artifact , and spiral players . casual players are giagchads who are completely ok with going to bed with 160/160 resin . u clearly aint a casual

@@nicolasflamel4374 Casuals can 100% be worried about the state of Genshin. It's issues right now certainly are more felt hard core players the most but it's undoubtable that the state of things affects everyone. Resin cap, awful artefact rng and how the Abyss is the only getting harder while Mihoyo doesn't give us any ways to get stronger outside of whaling are issues that can be felt by everyone that is playing this game semi-consistently.

Very true

every new character's potential is now judged based on how well they will do in spiral abyss which kinda sucks tbh

That’s why the game needs a massive overhaul on endgame content. There’s just nothing else to do

Nah, what it shows is how little there is to do in the game. What else can you judge a unit based on? Exploration? We only get a new region like every two patches and it takes like one patch to fully explore it. Fun? Fun is subjective so you cant really ask for a tier list on fun. The overworld is so damn easy it really doesnt matter who you use, you dont even need a healer, after all, you can just use the food gadget or statue of the seven. Point is, abyss is really the only way to see a unit's viablity, because the other stuff is so easy literally everyone is good

@@aperson6562 Yeah I don’t know what this original post is on about. They act like the tier list dominates the whole game when it’s only applied to one niche gamemode that half the playerbase ignores and everyone loathes.

the thing is some enemy in Abyss already has that 500k HP limit, the big dog mobs has those numbers right now and look at the puny damage you're dealing if you don't whale

this isn’t an easy fix you decrease the health of enemies in abyss then what are the players who can easily 36* it supposed to do?

@@therranolleo468 u dont need to whale to 36*, but u need to grind i was getting 33* for last 2-3 months with same 8 characters (for main dps i used childe and diluc)i could have grinded more and got 36*, it just wasnt worth investing 5 hrs of my time for 50 primos

@@andrewchatman622 Get it easier and call it a day

@@proles8 that’s a really crappy mind set did you even watch the video? players like this need a reason to strive to keep playing the game 36* abyss easily just to get 3-4 pulls worth of primos every 2 weeks? ok what now? there’s nothing challenging in the game to test the strength of these players teams and no rewards at all to be motivated to play the game

Exactly my problem! I started late and i can't spend all my time in building my characters. So it's hard to even build characters fast enough to clear abyss as f2p. By the time u've built a team for current abyss, the requirements change and u can't clear it!

thing is if they gave it a coin shop but made sure that the new part of the world is still balanced the same.

genuine question: if you have all the regions at 100% and finished all the quests/events, what makes logging onto genshin daily 'fun' for you?

@@castallyourspells as someone who actually has everything 100% and hast played since release I seriously can't tell you lol. For me personally it's probably the strive to get my favourite character to theyre max potential. So I have a motivation to actually farm and grind materials and then seeing how far my Eula, Yoimiya etc have come over the last months. Also events are fun and future character keep me motivated to save primos. Probs just knowing what exciting things are coming. But overall I'm surprisingly astonished about myself for still having so much fun and motivation but do pretty much just wait for the day I finally get bored.

@@castallyourspells Honestly, I dont log on every day, and there have been periods where I didnt play for quite a while, the longest being about 5 weeks or so before the Inazuma update. But this is what I mean: there are continually updates with new content - Enkanomiya at the moment - that keep the game interesting for me. Part of it is that I dont generally explore everything right away though, theres a lot of enkanomiya left for me to do, and with most events I often dont even start them until a few days into it.

@@milkaboom that's an interesting perspective, and I'm the kind of person who likes to grind if it pays off, but the thing is the whole resin thing just makes it really boring for me. Like, 4-5 runs a day gives you like a couple of trash artifacts and I'm honestly kind of burnt out. It just feels like at this point grinding isn't cutting it because of the whole RNG thing.

God yeah the world scaling makes it really difficult to balance F2P. I wish the daily tasks didn't contribute to Adventure Rank; I'm doing it to farm primogems.

@@mayarosenberg1813 yes I hate that so much along with the domains why do they have to increase my AR I was trying to get some 4* artifacts for albedo any from his new set but thanks to my AR when I tried to beat the oceanid for xingqiu it was impossible with my beidou being to weak now I can't level up shit without farming level up materials and artifacts even though I could get 5*.

You can always stop at a certain AR like 45 before doing the ascension quest. And never activate it unless you have decent artifacts. I know someone who never did the ascension quest cause he just wants to enjoy the game and very comfortable with the monster's levels.

@@abdiabdi3225 enemies level isnt related to your AR, but rather to your WL (world level) which increases with your AR, but can be manually lowered - if you're having this much trouble just lower it for some time and you can raise it later on (higher WL gives you better rewards in domains/bosses/etc)

@@abdiabdi3225 I would also recommend finding higher leveled players if you need help. I don't know if the official Genshin Discord server is still full, but there are many veterans there who have nothing to do and could easily wipe out every boss in your world. The channel for NA is #na-coop, and I think if you get the role for your server there should be other coop channels for the other servers. I know this doesn't really fix the problem and it probably takes away from your experience, but I just want to mention that there are tons of players that would be happy to help. Really, we don't have much else to do as events are short/timegated, and helping others is satisfying (at least, in my experience it is).

Problem with this, is that if you are ignoring the spyral abyss you are loosing quite a lot of primogems for a f2p player, and that's not fun and is not easy to ignore either. As a f2p once you explore the entire map you can only have like.. 3 guaranteed characters? or less? so of course it hurts to not be able to get those primogems since the game literally blocks you from doing it because you didn't pay hard enough or because your luck is trash, and please dont come here like "you can clear it with all the characters". You can't clear it with just Bennet and Barbara, and I said Bennet if you were lucky enough with getting bennet actually.

That's bullshit you don't every new character to clear abyss you need game knowledge

In terms of business it make sense for mihoyo to favor new characters, but for me I will try to use old character as much as possible unless I like the new ones

It is not necessary to mention mental illness

I feel like they needed an endgame content like elysian realm in genshin, its very fun and gives alot of rewards, i think they did the same thing in genshin with shiki taishou event. But yeah spiral abyss is really a chore, they needed to add more mechanics than "clear it the fastest" Because this isnt honkai

@@subhamsubian6677 the knowledge of building every character into 50% CR and 200% CD. And that's bare minimum. Will you build character with 2500 atk but no CR? Or character with 600 EM but only 50% CD?

Well it also depend on the situation For instance, Raiden national give more balanced single and aoe damage and have lower skill requirement. But Childe national is needed when you simply want to have massive aoe and more versatility Both of them have their own use, for me neither are better than other

Usage wise Childe’s national comp is more used than Raiden’s national comp but as for which is better than the other, it depends on the situation. They're two different flavours of the same team at their core. The two have different advantages. To name a few for Raiden National: • Procs more reactions with the addition of Overloaded, allowing for more reaction damage (although elemental auras can get messy and confusing). • Raiden's skill increases the entire team's burst damage, allowing Xiangling and Xingqiu to do more base damage. • The time needed to battery Xiangling is significantly reduced or removed completely. And Childe National: • Stronger in multi-target content due to Childe's quadratic Riptide scaling. There is also no Overloaded, so small enemies do not get launched. • Extremely high front-loaded damage thanks to Childe's Vaporized burst. Raiden can reach similar numbers, but due to the lack of an amplifying reaction she typically needs extensive boosting and constellations to do so (and even then her ceiling is lower). • A battery phase that, while longer, is not awkward to implement as it fits in perfectly with Childe's required skill downtime (unless you probably have C6 Childe). As long as everyone is performing optimally, a full Childe National rotation is only 4-5 seconds longer than a full Raiden National rotation.

Yes childe is powerful but much harder to play. Energy funneling is harder. Childe is also no resist to interruption which is problematic. But riptide is powerful and fun. He is more fun than shogun and that's what matters more

in aoe situation childe international bets raiden nation by huge margin and is slightly worse in single target

@@connorjamesthompson6614 basically childe national is for experts while raiden national is for mid tier players depending on play style i.e. more dps focus or more reaction damage for me raiden national would be my go to method easy to create a stupid amount of reactions and some really useful passives if you use raiden and xingqiu as support and xiangling as main dps. childe is better due to share power but less versetile in comparisson.

I would argue that kazuha and raiden are better for abyss then ganyu but you do you

@@sakutaro3musik486 who asked?

This is interesting bc half my genshin friend group only pulls for who they like and doesn't even do abyss. Idk why people bend over backwards for 150-300 primogems

@@kingkanky9933 because there's nothing to do in endgame, what happens if you have 100% exploration in all regions? done all the quests? log on, do comms? spend resin? then log back off?

@@castallyourspells play a different game!! if you've done all the fun content then you've basically got nothing to miss out on. in my eyes, that's the point where you can play another game alongside genshin

I mean the sword makes Albedo good himself.

NGL i was also very tempted to pull albedo bcz of that sword.

Same. Hahahaha

Speaking of Shadowy Husks... NGL its kinda shady for MHY to rerun Zhongli only to gimp him further by dropping Husks in a patch or two after his banner.

@@PsycheTrance65 Makes sense as to why they want to silence the leakers. I'm still gonna pull for him because I like him as a character, but it's nevertheless sad to see them do that. This makes me think that they'll do the same for the Raiden, Kazuha, and other reruns. Every enemy since Inazuma has been increasingly frustrating to deal with: Kairagi with their HP reset and repositioning all over the place are the LEAST bad offenders. Spectres have insane HP regen and it's hard to hit them when you're playing a melee character, the Whelps/Rifthounds have wonky hitboxes, move all over the place, and are even worse to fight against when using a melee - and there's also corrosion, which is fine, but this seems more like creating a problem to sell a solution. Oh, and the Wolflord is coming to the Abyss soon, so I can't wait to stand around waiting for it to fly around. It's not like the Abyss is a timed challenge, right?!? The Husks look even more frustrating to deal with on paper, we shall wait and see. But point still stands - I'm not a fan of the new enemies at all.

Corrosion's not really the problem but the Shadowy husks are

that comparison is abit unbalanced cuz 1 has a ranking system, the other is pure single player. as someone who care to look into how much "gacha investment'' get u, adding ANYTHING pvp related into genshin (even a simple scoreboard) would kill the game instantly due to how much of a power difference whaling get you.