Is Star Wars Dead? 

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You have to give Kathleen Kennedy some credit, she achieved what the Emperor and Vader never could, she killed the Jedi. It is/was the ultimate Sith move 💪🏼👏🏼

When Luke threw the lightsaber off the cliff it was actually the franchise he was throwing.

It went from “I have a story I want to tell thats awesome” to “how can we use the story to sell toys, wokeness, and as many spin-offs as possible?”. Sadly, it’s not just Star Wars being ruined. Video Games, TV shows, Sports, EVERYTHING.

People hating on the Jedi is mind blowing to me. The fantastical and religious aspects of Star Wars are what makes it unique amongst sci fi. The prequels ancient and monk like aesthetics combined with space stuff is what interests me most in the series.

So long as Kathleen Kennedy is there, yes. The sad part is even if she gets fired, she'll just be replaced by someone like her, if not worse.

I remember someone once saying something perfect regarding this "Star Wars, the greatest film franchise of all time only to be reduced to a category on a dying streaming service." All that's left is apathy

Just watched Episode 6 again (in theater) and it made me sad because of the horrific episode 8 can’t be undone, the way they treated Luke is a crime

"the people left on the ship love the iceberg" sums it up perfectly.

Yes. No one can sit here and tell me they’re excited to watch “REY” and “The acolyte”

Them: no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. Us: The truth is no one hates George Lucas Star Wars more than Disney Star Wars fans

Honestly a lot of this is why I’ve just switched from the main-stream Star Wars content to the more “niche” parts of it. Funny how the further we get into the Star Wars Canon, the further I jump back to Legends for some sort of entertainment since it at least had a modicum of George in it.

The OT was incredibly inspiring. Luke’s journey from farm boy, to pilot and war hero, to mystical warrior was, for all its fantastic elements, handled in a way that made it believable. My biggest gripe with the prequels was that Anakin should have been an adult in the first film. I think it would have been better to have Anakin start out as a hot shot Z-95 pilot rather than a pod racer. Overall though, while Phantom Menace was a poor start, the movies got better as they went along because they were handled as a trilogy and had an end goal to work toward. The sequels were a disjointed mess, that was written by a committee of people who viewed it as a marketing opportunity rather than an opportunity to craft a good work of fantasy-military science fiction.

Buddy, the “iceberg” was “the force awakens”, that was when it first hit, “the last jedi” was when people started to realize their socks were wet.

Watching Disney tank Star Wars is like watching a loved one succumb to dementia and old age. You begin to hope that they will go quietly rather than continue to deteriorate, so you can at least remember the good times

Just wanted to see George's episodes 7,8 and 9! Also all the Legacy books brought to the big screen!

I have a feeling that the idea of Andor having no Jedi= good show is because of the fact that Disney ruined the Jedi. The whole Rey having no character and basically being like this overpowered person who’s loved by everyone and who can only be good made everyone associate the Jedi with her because she is the most recent depiction of them (in the movies). This is why Rogue one, Andor, and Bad Batch are well liked. They give a change of pace for the universe and distance themselves from the whole “Rey is a strong independent woman who can do no evil and has no flaws,” that Disney has been pushing.

I will never forget the amazing and epic fan theories for the last Jedi that ended up being a thousand times better than anything Disney could ever dream of. Also it’s not just Star Wars that is dead, but Hollywood and movies in general.

It's no longer art. It's content.

The clone/genetic experimentation subplot of the Mandalorian implies that the only reason someone has the Force is because of their blood/DNA. Disney heavily reinforced this belief with stuff like Rey being strong in the force just because she's a Palpy, among other things. It would have been nice to bring back the sentiment that Force sensitives could appear anywhere in the galaxy and was not tied to lineage, that anyone could be special.

I watched Solo with my younger kids. When I had to try to explain what the human and Droid meant by "It works"...was the worst moment of my parental life. Most shills think that is a good thing. 🙄

Robot Head,I just want to thank you for all these Disney Star Wars bashing videos.I really enjoy them and they are like therapy after suffering through the destruction of this franchise.Keep doing what you do and keep up all the good work!

It's not just Star Wars. These days, I feel like my entire childhood is dead.

The hardest part of decoupling from Star Wars as man in his 40s wasn’t stepping away from a franchise I was obsessed with as a kid, I’m a grown man ffs, but it’s getting the message across to my family. You see, if people of my generation ‘were into Star Wars’, we stayed that way. That’s why Lego started bringing out loads of expensive kits, not for kids, but for people like me with cash in my pocket. For most of my life, Xmas/Birthdays it’s been an easy go to. An R2D2 pen here, a storm trooper notepad there, a Star Wars advent calendar at Xmas. I’ve now got to delicately tell my mum that I don’t want this crap anymore without hurting her feelings that she’s been buying me stuff I don’t want for the last two decades. I don’t want to whole “Why are Disney turning down my money?” route because I’m sure they’ve done their calculations and selling garbage to idiots works out more lucrative than tapping into the old school fans but I genuinely don’t understand why they couldn’t have worked both angles. All it would have taken was a bit of planning and a decent script writer. Christ, they don’t even have to be decent, just capable of imagining and maintaining a story arc over three, two hour films!! And this is Star Wars ffs, your basic world is already there! Anyway, I’m done with it. Until Denis Villeneuve is brought in.

If Star Wars taught me anything is there is always those that remember the way things were before the empire took over. And are waiting and biding their time for a resurgence in the force to produce a hero that will lead us out of the darkness and into the light once more. I haven’t given up hope that someday I will have new Star Wars to share with my children someday. Well maybe my grandchildren. They can continue to twist it into something evil and twisted but a New Hope will arise.

Having Rey be Luke’s student with amnesia woulda been mad cool and a call back to KOTOR and maybe even prove that luke had battle meditation

As long as KK is still involved, there’s no hope for Star Wars

When I put on TLJ for my family, my grandmother thought it was Spaceballs. My dad screamed in disgust at Luke milking the space walrus.

I'm a 100% with you on TFA. It left a bit of a bad taste in one's mouth because it was so incredibly derivative, but it also had original aspects and great moments. I too thought that it was a great setup for the second part in the sequel which I was hoping to be calmer, deeper, and more mysterious. What a slap in the face TLJ turned out to be. I don't think I was ever so flabbergasted in my life and was considering multiple times to walk out of the cinema mid-movie, something I had never contemplated before, such was the extent I was taken aback by the shit show Rian Johnson had proffered.

I'm sure it could be turned around, but you would need such sweeping firings and replacements I'd say it's pretty much never going to happen. I haven't seen Picard, but the Trekkies seem really pleased that one guy came in who actually loved the series and the canon and put out something supposedly quality.

If they had just re arranged a few key elements of Disney's Trilogy it could have been something interesting. Little things like actually turning Rey to the Darkside like they consistently teased...and then having Kylo Ben rise up as the Jedo Reborn to kill her and her grandpappi. That would have been cool and made the RISE OF SKYWALKER title make sense and that idea came from my 13 year old who thanks to MANDO 3 is 100% done with SW. RIP STaRWaRS

I will never understand people who are happy with someone being mad/sad/disappointed

What was everybody's first moment of realising that the Disney sequels was not up to par with the OT? For me it was when Poe said to Kylo after just witnessing the entire town as well as his friend getting killed, says "who talks first? Is it me or you?"

No it isn't because it is so fascinating to watch how one can distroy a golden goose like Star wars with so much determination, passion and twisted anti-creativity.

I think there's people out there that just take pleasure in dispelling the enjoyment of others, and they tend to be the same people that laud the moral relativism that permeates most modern media. To those people I say: real life is harsh, and many of us just want a bit of encouragement when we can get it. Star Wars, the old Star Wars, had tragedy in spades but ultimately our hero Luke was driven by a desire to reunite what had been broken, to save, to protect. I can't help but think Johnson got satisfaction out of throwing that back in our faces with TLJ. It's just so predictable..."all your heroes are flawed" "there is no light and dark" and so on. They think this is original? It's more cliche at this point to have a deconstructed hero.

As a self proclaimed titanic historian and enthusiast of Star Wars before 2015. I loved the whole sinking ship thing.

I will never forget after leaving the theater after watching the last Jedi I said to my girlfriend… idk how I felt about that… I think I want to see it again cause I’m not sure how I feel.. now looking back I realize it was because I didn’t want to admit I didn’t like a star wars movie for the first time.

My wife and I weren't even that impressed with TFA and left the theater disappointed and we never even bothered to see the other 2 sequel trilogy movies. The writing was on the wall from the get go.

We all knew Star Wars was gonna die under the hands of Disney back when they bought it in 2012, but when it was announced that Episode 7 was being made under JJ Abrams, the guy that brought back Star Trek, Disney tried to reassure us that it was not gonna die, that it was gonna be great, and it worked on the fans

You make a good point. I feel like Disney really hates the original star wars mantra of good versus evil, jedi versus sith. They're trying to get rid of it all together. It's all mixed up mumbo jumbo now.

I'm 28, when i was like 6 years old my parents bought the original trilogy in VHS, i saw it and fell in love with it. Then the prequels came out and my father took me to the cinema to watch them as they released. I loved them, i was a kid and didn't notice many of the fair criticisms of too much reliance on bad CGI or quirky redundant lines. It didn't matter honestly because the mythos was there. The heroes journey, the great worldbuilding, the legends and mythology. It felt deep and wonderous, full of mystery and shrouded in endless possibilities. No one will ever take that away from me. Later on in my life, ive seen some sparks of the real star wars mythos. Some arcs in the clone wars series are worth seeing and episodes like episode 1 "the duel" in star wars vision is just pure genius. That said, Disney star wars is not star wars. It is a bastardization of the original mythos and it's ok if you like it, but it's a shame that it had to ride on the coattails of something real

I still love the OT. Have four boys and we just watched Return of the Jedi in the theater and we loved it. We also watch the OT on my original VHS without the add one and as low of quality as they are, they are so much better than todays Star Wars. I refuse to let Disney ruin the love I had and still have for the originals and I love sharing that passion with my kids. Prequels and Clone Wars we also still watch. We were just like you after TFA and now, I can’t bear to watch any Disney Star Wars. There’s plenty of joy in the past for us though.

Star Wars before Disney is the best films in my opinion. RIP to Star Wars

I think I might actually love Ruin Johnson. After the TFA came out, I was largely alone in my hatred for it. People liked JarJar's mystery boxes... even though I knew nothing would come of them, because nothing good has ever come out of any of JarJar's mystery boxes... But people wouldn't listen. Then came Ruin... I've never been more vindicated. He systematically took every single mystery box and made of joke of it. It wasn't neglect. He clearly identified them all and just said "Nope, its nothing. Get that s*** out of here!" The crazy mfer even doubled and tripled up every complaint from the first movie, kills the main villain half way through a trilogy, mocks his boss's greed, and makes a self insert character whose words and actions only make any sense if she was a traitor and saboteur. And somehow managed to do all of this with the full blessing and support of everyone at Disney and Lucasfilm. But the BEST part of it all... he may not have even done it on purpose.

If I watch episode 1-6 or clone wars I feel like I could dive into this universe, I could watch it all day. Everything Disney made I watched literally once because I think it’s so boring I never could watch it twice. Imagine to watch the boba series again… hell nah.

I find myself watching old "Behind The Scenes" features of the OT and The Prequels. I like to remind myself of a time when Star Wars was made by people who care for the universe and its miriad of awesome characters, and stories.

It died when the ink dried on the check. I did not realize the corpse was rotting until Last Jedi.

As some of the comments here say, thank you Robot Head for all these videos, they are like therapy after seeing my favourite franchise get demolished. Luckily they never did destroy Lucas' legacy, nothing they can do will ruin my enjoyment of the original 6 movies. If anything they elevate them because you can see how horrible they could've been lol

It breaks my heart that something that defined my childhood is being treated with such disrespect by people who don't understand it. But that is life...

For people not to see Lucas as a visionary you have to have some serious screws loose

On Andor, which I really enjoyed, I agree with both sides. The Jedi don’t have to be integral to every story and it’s nice to have a different feel,but, at the same time, everything should flow together. The Jedi are awesome and, even if they aren’t integral to every story, they are integral to the franchise as a whole. It always feels like two extremes when, in actuality, you can do both and still have a coherent, enjoyable franchise. In the end, you just need to hold true to the main story and universe. You should never disregard the Jedi in a SW story but you also don’t need them at the forefront of every single one. It’s about striking the right balance.

I miss the days when the original Star Wars movies were received and overall loved. There were always waves of haters from the beginning, they just weren’t quoted individually for no reason whatsoever other than being “ON THE INTERNET.” The internet has given far too much power to all that is SH*T.

Love the flurry of videos lately, my mechanical friend! Always love to drop by for some deserved roasting and a good laugh! Thanks for all you do man, keep it up!

*I grew up surrounded by Star Wars...*

I think a big problem is that social media has led us into the age of "influencers". Marketing departments can pay people to sit on social media all day and comment about how great their product is in an effort to convince other people that the product is great. It's the same idea as commercials on television. Companies have their commercials running multiple times per day, because they want to repeat their message often enough to stick it in the brains of television watchers. That's how I still know that McDonald's Big Macs are made of "two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun" because McDonald's played that commercial so many times when I was younger and had time to actually watch a lot of television. Today, it's all about influencers on social media. If they repeat a marketing message often enough, some people will begin to believe it, and the only way companies can fight any pushback by the real fans is by turning off comments. In short, I think the comments you read that praised Andor while trashing the OT were from influencers paid by Disney/Lucasfilm to sit on social media all day and push their products on the unsuspecting masses. Disney only cares about the OT when they want to throw some nostalgia bait into their new products, but they're focused on selling the new products. Not to mention, I'm sure part of their future plans is to eventually remake the OT "for a modern audience", so trashing the original films isn't a big deal for them.

Worry not RH, there are still a great many of us who remember when Star wars wonderful, inspiring and majestic. Those days may be gone but certainly not forgotten. I have my originals on Blu-ray and they can never take those away from me. What others on the internet think, is the least of my concerns. :)

Brilliant, thoughtful commentary on the commentary. Thanks for the hardwork.

I dunno. I was one of those old school fans that came out of seeing "The Force Awakens," looked at my buddy, and said, "I got a REAL bad feeling about this." The problems with Rey were there from the start, if one was really paying attention. The treatment of Han's character was a clue. They were already playing fast and loose with long understood ways of how things worked in the Star Wars universe. All that, combined with the fact that Rogue One, as much as I liked it, seemed to check a LOT of identitarian boxes, made me extremely skeptical of the second movie in the Disney fanfic trilogy. But, boy, how wrong I was when the movie turned out to be far worse than my wildest expectations. Since then, Star Wars has been completely dead to me. The only way they could get me back is to find a way to undo the damage they did to the OG character arcs, restore them to their rightful places in the SW pantheon, and de-elevate Rey from being basically some kind of Force goddess. Basically, they would have to find a way to decanonize the sequel trilogy (or find a way to consign it to having taken place in an alternate timeline, a la the Kelvin timeline in Star Drek). That ain't gonna happen as long as Disney in charge, let alone with KK in charge of Lucasfilm. Rey is both a Disney Princess (thus untouchable) and KK's self-insert (and thus untouchable).

Star Wars died with The Force Awakens. It caused permanent damage that could not be undone.

That ship metaphor aged... interestingly

I just watched ROTJ in theaters, Star Wars is not dead, you just have to go watch it. I have never seen the original films in theaters, and this was an incredible experience. It was like seeing the film for the first time.

Dunno man, I'm still loving everything pre-december 2015. Playing the video and miniatures games, the CCG, reading the books, watching the crap out of 1-6 and Clone Wars with my kids, keeping that Disney Mold away in my household.

Robot Head has hit the nail on the, well, the Head as it were. The comments which Robot Head refers to are very enlightening. I actually would have loved to be able to contact those commenters and do a follow up questionnaire and ask questions regarding their thoughts on the matter. Not as an elaborate troll but to gain more insight in to this sub group of movie goers.

I wholeheartedly agree, and that Titanic metaphor was impeccable. Star Wars was down on the floor bleeding out after The Last Jedi, but The Rise of Skywalker was the execution shot. Now it's just a rotting zombie searching for someone with a brain.

I love you Robot Head! I don't know where you get your facts but they are legitimate and hilarious! Thanks for making these videos!!! from Phoenix Arizona!

After the Force Awakens I was convinced the story would progress towards the overpowered Rey turning to the darkside and Finn evolving into the role of protagonist. The setup was there, the name of the movie „Last Jedi“ more than hinted at it and the trailer went as far as suggesting it for crying out loud!!

Man i got goosebumps and tears in my eyes from Yoda at the end like every time I've watched it since I was 6 and watched star wars for the firs time with my grandpa who was a WWII vet and loved the Lucas movies. Can't wait for may the 4th

Star Wars is like that scene in Monty Python & the Holy Grail *"BRING OUT YOUR DEAD BRING OUT YOUR DEAD"* "I'm not dead" "Yes you are, you'll be stone dead in a moment"

Just found this channel and I have to say, I enjoy your sense of humor. Boba Gump is stuck in my head. Thanks for that

It was a wonderful time. Sometime in the eighties. My mother rented an VHS player(that was a thing, believe it or not) and star wars. Long story short, good times!❤ And I am now saddened, because some hacks ruined one of my most favorite thing as a child. Even goerge himself. Damn

Keep the amazing content coming, you absolute unit of a RU-vid channel.

Funny how people would say the Jedi are OP gods that always win on screen. Obi-Wan "lost" in Ep.4 (more like sacrificed but w/e he didn't just own Vader and escape with Luke.), Luke lost in Ep5, Qui-Gon lost in Ep1, almost the entire Jedi Council in Ep3... how out of touch. Yes, Jedi influence in the franchise _can_ get a bit stale at times, but some people don't want to look beyond their own steps. The Jedi stand for hope, not for superpowers or flexing. For instance (and I can't blame most for not delving) they carry _only_ lightsabers because it's a weapon that doesn't appear as imposing or intimidating. You see a guy in a robe, he carries a lightsaber, you know he's there to settle an issue. It's a symbol first and a weapon second, as are the Jedi diplomats first and warriors ...as a last resort. So yeah, the viewers of SW media are given the superhero aspect of the Jedi, but to be a "fan" of SW, they should dive into the very rich and easily accessible lore before they pass judgment on what a concept is.

It's like we were going away for a couple of weeks and asked our neighbor Disney to water our plants. When we got back everything was dried up and dead.

Pretty much. I feel as if Star Wars is more focused on quantity over quality. Instead of telling stories that are meaningful and have an impact on the whole narrative as Lucas did they're just pumping out content for the sake of it. The only two SW content that I'm even mildly interested in are Ahsoka and Acolyte. Haven't seen Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, or those anime style Star Wars not even Andor.

I see a Robot Head video, I watch it. I re-subscribed to Disney+ to watch The Mandalorian S3, and I still haven't felt like finishing it, yet I'll make time to watch your videos.

I'm grateful for your videos. Thank you. I feel exactly the same way about the state of Star Wars. it will never be as good as what it was, and so many people have no idea. I will say that the Jedi Survivor game by EA that just came out has restored my faith in modern star wars a bit. Highly recommend you play or watch some reviews or playthroughs.

I so wanted a scene in that Mandalorian episode where all of the sometimes immortal Stormtroopers take off their helmets and it's a horde of Gus Frings. At this point, why not have Jesse and Walter have major cameos in Star Wars as Spice-makers and we can finally learn from these shows what Spice is ? It's not like Lucasfilm's fans would give a damn.

Just like the titanic... it was sunk on purpose.

I personally have near completely given up on Star Wars. The writers today can never do justice to any of the older media produced, even their own. When Force Awakens was coming out, my family decided we would watch all of Star Wars to catch up and build our interest. 6 movies and 2 TV shows later, and it released to Netflix, having missed the theatrical premier. It was the best time I had with a film, sure the lightsaber scenes were not as cool as the prequels, nor did they have impact like the Original Trilogy, but it had the one thing that none had: Kylo Ren’s cross guard lightsaber. That’s it. We had a good time with the movie. When Last Jedi came out, the spectacle had my mind blown! So I watched it again, and again, and again (oh wait, this is pretty boring), again, again (the spectacle is failing), and I gave up, especially after discovering Robot Head and the issues he pointed out with the films. Then Rise of Skywalker was announced, so my family watched the whole movie franchise, and for the second time in my life, we went to the theatres to see the movie. The tickets costed $20 each, coming to a total of $200 with snacks and tickets, and we watched it. I nearly fell asleep, laughing at the bad plot points I started to notice like it was a joke. I had told my Dad “it was the best movie ever! I loved it” since I didn’t want to hurt his feelings. Then after that, The Mandalorian released to Disney+ and it brought a new, western style to my space wizard movie. I loved the show, still somewhat do, but then they released a new season of The Clone Wars, it was pretty good, Bad Batch released, pretty neat, Star Wars: Visions was released, HOLY CRAP I NEED MORE OF THAT!! Season 2 of the Mandalorian released, it’s cool! Brings back old characters from old shows in a good way, then nothing for the year 2021-2022. This year we got Bad Batch season 2 and Mando season 3, both were horribly painful to watch and disappointing in every way. I watched Solo and Rogue One along the way, and Solo sucked, and Rogue One just wasn’t Star Wars, neither was Andor, but Andor wasn’t bad. Last year I started reading the Harry Potter series and was immediately hooked by the plot, characters and world. 2 more interesting things than all of Star Wars. In Star Wars, all of the characters were pretty lacklustre, the plot was slow and political, which isn’t bad, and the world, despite being billions of times bigger with trillions of possible characters, felt smaller and emptier that Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and even H.P Lovecraft. Then I came to the conclusion that Star Wars needs more, better content with new, original and unique characters anywhere else in the timeline outside the 80 year time frame of Star Wars. Let’s all hope that the Acolyte is good, for the franchise’s sake.

I remember my 7th grade English teacher giving a presentation on writing one of the examples was "Star Wars", but she *only used sequel scenes*. she said something like "I was so shocked when Luke threw his lightsaber!" and I knew that was gonna be a bad year.

Keep it up mate. You are a reason I probably haven't completely lost my mind in this world when I'm told up is down and down is up. When I saw your and Critical drinkers appraisal of the trilogy I thanked God a little I wasn't the only one.

It's still impressive, that they had a hundred if not thousand of books, comics, video games and stuff to make a new star wars movie from. Hell, you could pick the sith Sorcerer story from SWTOR, adapt it a little so she become good(because of course it has to be a woman) in the end and voilà. Good story, in a trilogy.

The deathblow came the moment they killed the EU. Star Wars was just big, and had a slow heartbeat. It took it a while to finish bleeding out.

Another great look at the franchise. Lol how on earth do you just 'add the force'? I like this channel very much. Keep up the great work. Lee - UK.

In 1983, I queued up at 6am to watch the Trilogy in one day (I was also watching ROTJ for the first time) I was 12, in Liverpool, 2nd in line, the guy in front had to go to court and I held his place (as you would) I went alone as none of my friends couldn't afford it and my family weren't arsed about Star Wars. To me, it was the most important thing to happen at that point in my life. When Phantom came out I was living in London and stood on the passenger seat of an open top car, racing across the QE2 bridge, screaming, as we went to the first showings. Family and jobs and children happened and when The Force Awakens came along, I was there at the midnight showing and felt cheated by the signposting and the Five Go Mad In Dorset vibe and the feeling that not only was it not made for me, it was also a poor remake and surprisingly, a poor JJ film. I watched the Last Jedi and the only good thing that came out of it was that I thought of the phrase " I would piss on Ryan Johnson if he was on fire, I just wouldn't put the fire out" I'm a big Artoo fan boy, in a way I'm glad he wasn't involved in this shit show. Kathleen Kennedy makes Star Wars films for C**ts.

I was a little worried Yoda would be stomped by the AT-AT. Glad to see it was Gideon instead.

Don't have much to add to this one. Well put my friend... Well put👍

I agree on Andor. Hardly anyone does, but I think that saying a show with Mon Mothma at a dinner party is better than George Lucas’s films is ludicrous.

Disney has done a bang up job of helping me save money. I haven't bought a book or movie since they released force awakens.

you're on a roll, mate. three videos in three days? i am here for it.

That titanic parallel was perfect

I saw Return of the Jedi in theaters on Saturday. Theater was packed. Standing ovation at the end. Star Wars isn't dead. Disney is.

Please make a whole song from your ending theme tune. Love it.

Yeah it’s long dead. Disney has dressed up the corpse in girl power cringe and parade it around, but that’s not for me.

Rian Johnson shaped iceberg? No, a MICKEY MOUSE shaped iceberg.

I am a big Robot Head fan, but I feel you may have been a little hard on some of those commenters. I first saw Star Wars in 1982 and instantly fell in love with it. I had been raised on a diet of Commando comics and war films, stories about my relatives who fought in WW2 and Korea, I used to play on pillboxes and bunkers near my home - so a movie about a war in space was truly earth-shattering for me. I was there for the space ships and the pitched battles. I liked that the Force was subtle and implied - it was an important element, but never a major draw for me. When I later read the books it annoyed me that Luke could throw his light sabre across the room and just kill everyone - it removed the military aspect, turning it more into a Superhero story. I still love the old movies and I enjoy Rouge One but my interest tapered off as things got sillier and sillier with the new films. Despite roasting the old movies, I agree with some of the sentiment from the comments you quoted about the Jedi. I like a more grounded story - but it feels like there should be room for both.

Starwars died as the ink dried from Lucas's signature.

Here is how I look at the Sequels. TFA is when the train goes off the rails, but no one has quite realized it yet. TLJ is when it crashes and burns and everyone realizes something is wrong. TROS is everyone watching the smoldering remains in horror. The Mandalorian gave us hope something could be salvaged, but then after Season 2 KK decided to pour gasoline and tnt on the wreck.

Listening to you read those comments to me everything. These new "fans" don't understand Star wars is more that some action pack space adventure, what made it great was the stories it told. Star wars is more than just movies, there are comics, novels, etc.

While you were lamenting the fall, "Oh holy night" by Eric Cartman was playing and it fit too well