Is the $5000 Threadripper ACTUALLY worth it for CREATORS? | AMD Ryzen 7980x vs Intel i9 14900k 

As a 3D render guy this treadripper is a monster CPU for 3D rendering. But I could buy 3 7950X systems and link them.

2 years later: "oh my goodness, it's SO SLOW!" 500 bucks on Ebay 😅

Compare it to the 56 core xeon w instead

Great video; these CPU's are getting insane these days, and the performance is out of this world - although one does question their highly limited use cases. Not sure how to feel about the ultra high end TR's... from the perspective of a professional engineer who uses things like CAD/FEA, the best takeaway from this video that I can see is that for the majority of users - even those doing things like rendering; video editing; sciences and engineering (eg. CAD / *basic* CFD/FEA), is that even the high end consumer CPU's (7950X/13900K/14900K) are probably *good enough* for most use cases. If you work for a technology company (ie. science/engineering/tech/ai) - even a relatively small/medium one - chances are they'll have some sort of corporate alignment to cloud server/software providers, and for highly intensive tasks will typically rent capacity on an as-needed basis. I've seen this increasing as the years have gone by - more and more companies pushing services which have historically been done on self-managed servers/workstations, to the cloud. Eg. if you've got to run some *complex* CFD or FEA, most large corporate companies these days would rather temporarily rent some server capacity with whatever is needed (ie. multiple high-end CPU's; GPU's; memory etc)... spin up the CFD/FEA instances and perform the analysis in a day or two... as opposed to like a week or two on a single high-core CPU system (like the 96 core Threadripper). Heck, some of the CAD/CAM/FEA software providers even offer cloud based services like this today, with the click of a button. Partially this move to cloud stems around cash flow and taxation benefits to the companies - i.e they're not having to maintain the systems themselves with a larger IT department, nor having to worry about depreciation on expensive high end workstations idling for a large percentage of their life (eg. when people go home at the end of the day for work... if it's not crunching numbers over night, it's costing you money... and the effective lifespan is pretty low, given how fast technology is evolving). Heck, these days companies even want to be able to scale up/down their workforce depending on whether they win specific contracts or not. Even the software providers of CAD/CAM/FEA software understand this, allowing *monthly* seat rentals for their software, to allow companies to adjust their capacity as required, rather than a lump sum payment for software that may only be used for a fraction of the year. While I think the "cheaper" TR's might sell okay (given the large price difference compared to something like the 96 core), I still can't help but feel that the top end consumer (prosumer?) CPU's are now "good enough" to use for workstations. There will always be some niche use for the large TR's (ie. 64/96 core)... but I think they're few and far between. Now, I know someone will say something about the amazing amount of PCIe lane bandwidth, and how it's necessary for using them for things like large data storage (almost like a NAS on roids)... and you'd be right - they could handle that well.... but any small/medium/large corporate business is just going to buy *server* grade hardware (eg. EPYC; Xeon Scalable etc.) and not workstation hardware for this use case. Or they'll shift it to the cloud.

Costs about as much as 3 RTX 4090s :))

I know an adequate comparison is asking a lot but I'd have liked to have seen this compared with last gen TR and Sapphire Rapids W. That said I totally understand not many people are going to have those platforms lying around for testing so while not optimal this is appreciated.

Do you plan to cover Threadripper PRO 7000 as well? I was able to grab a 7985WX, though I can't do a thing with it because there are no WRX90 motherboards to be found.

I still can't comprehend 64 cores. Incredible.

At around 15:50 , the LongGOP [EXT], how the flying F is 5995WX's 102.6 only 1.33% more than 7980X's 90.5 ? That's 13.37%, elite performance improvement! I hope this is the only mistake, I'm too lazy to check them all.

It is nice but to expensive for me, as I only use Davinci Resolve and I guess the (hopefully soon) comming 8950x will bring a big boost over my actual 4000 point score (with a 7950x), and this is actually way more than what the 64core CPU delivers. But I think with new drivers, Davinci Resolve will be much faster with your current monster CPU. I realized that 11 months ago, I was getting only 3183 points in DR while I am getting months later over 4000 with the same Hardware, so drivers and new versions of DR, have a big impact and when the your CPU is so unstable in DR, then it sounds like driver problems to me. I would be glad, if you could retest it in 5 months.

Zen 5 Threadripper Shimada Peak and Zen 5 EPYC Turin are going to be UNIMAGINABLY BEASTS! This is only Zen 4 Threadripper Storm Peak!

Finally, where a high core cpu really shines for personal use case : rendering, you can just use a good gpu to do it faster and better. In my opinion, you really need specific use-cases to need this type of cpu, other than that you just want high frequency cores.

I can't wait for the new 32-core Threadripper 7970x video. I have a feeling users with specific workloads like you mentioned (a lot of 3D rendering or huge amounts of Lightroom exporting) are going to drool over it. I think I am going to hold off on my 7950x build to see the results. It's looking pretty close to a dream machine for my workflow! Thanks for what you do!

please add engineering software benchmarks and reviews. that would be so helpful. thanks

Great video, hope you make a video about air cooling vs liquid cooling for the the i9 14900K!

Except that it’s not. Most creator apps are better served by an RTX 4080 GPU.

The comparison of such a monster as the Treadreaper with the Intel of the 14th generation is simply not for its intended purpose, they all have their own appointments and specifications and everything is ordered by different companies, including Adobe

For VFX studios, this is the real deal. Video and photo not so much. Blender, Maya, Houdini, Nuke, they'll will fly on Threadripper. Also, this is just a constructive criticism, can you please have charts and graphs next time to represent the benchmarks? It makes it a lot easier to understand the differences.

Pretty daft saying how great this CPU is at ray-based rendering. GPU at more than half the price will be what, 10 times faster?

Its not a photoshop, light room chip . its for LARGE 3D SCENE RENDERING WHICH IS OUT OF YOUR GPU VRAM LIMIT, ALSO this DONT CRASH OFTEN AS GPU RENDERING.

To be honest i think the longivity of the socket support is not that big of an issue. I thought about that different in the past and was hyping the longivity of the AM4-socket. If you need an upgrade due to more cores , more RAM, you would probably trade-in the whole base (Mobo, CPU, RAM) and replace it. its a diffrent story selling a CPU in the 5K+ class vs. 500 class. if you add the mainboard and the RAM it wouldn't be the big difference but the buyer will get a combo which prooved to work allready. In the consumer area you are replacing perhaps a 6-core with an 8-Core X3D, but if you have basic Mobo you probably would get also a decent Mobo for the better CPU, same to RAM.

14:50 The number of (significant?) digits in your results doesn't seem to make sense: -4.7% vs -12.46%? Two digits vs four digits?! What's the error margin?

I don't know if Lenovo was dumping old W5945 Threadripper Pro's or the motherboards were outdated in their Thinkstation P620, but I bought one on sale last year for $1495. I am very happy with it.

The vray and blender cpu test should be compared with a rtx 4090 because we don’t render with cpu those days.

This just goes to show how badly written Adobe software actually is. For years now, I have believed Adobe takes backhanders from intel to keep the performance the way it is.

Great video what I was looking for decade

Can you explain a workflow for creators where these cpus are better than just using a high end gpu?

no its not. case closed.

You have hardware for individuals and for teams. If you are using TR to render, an individual workload would be a waste, as an individual will not produce enough to fully utilize what the cpu was made for. Meaning, those few seconds or minutes you saved, goes right back to the most time consuming part, and instead of getting a break while rendering, your render is now complete, get back to work.

Could you make a video maybe about the pros and cons of financing a high end pc with hardware like this?

I don't expect java minecraft to last much longer, so the point might be moot, but now that AMD has mastered the multi-core processor, can they consider their single core performance. One of those 32/64 cores should be capable of slapping the 14900k in the chops. I've been an AMD CPU fan since the AM386, and while it's great to have the cores when you are modelling the universe, it'd be nice to see AMD truly tackle single core performance like Intel. Or have someone mention to Oracle that ''Umm, Oracle, there is this thing called multicore, been around since the last century''.

Thanks for including puget Lightroom bench!

1st problem is running windows on threadripper. We have several workstations with these, including a brand new 96 core pro. We also use linux, which is far superior to microsoft. We are an engineering firm running AI/CAD for robotic equipment design. The xeons can't even compete, or we would use them. We also have our own software engineers who can modify linux to suit our needs. Can't do that with Windows.

Adobe software sucks for CPU scaling. Which has me wondering if my planned upgrade from a 3900X to a 5950X to max out AM4 is worth it. ? Lightroom sucks. But it may be useful elsewhere.

I would love to know the performance in simulations like Phoenix FD and Tyflow, is it 3-4x the performance of the 14900K on these tasks. anyone here has it and use these plug-ins?

Where the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7980X is available for Buy? Anywhere and in India?

The thing that voids the Threadripper for use for me is the limited memory slots that all of the board manufacturers are doing. I need lots of RAM. More so than Cores. UE5 work. So I skipped the TR and went with the Intel W7-2495X 24-Core with 512GB expandable to 2TB and an RTX-3090. I plan on bumping up to 2TB as soon as the big DDR5 starts to show up. Threadripper is also always really expensive in Canada. Nice processors though.

i wouldnt call it a gamechanger when this cpu can really only do 3d rendering and 7zip. the 14900k just completely demolishes it in everything else thats not 3d rendering, while being a fraction of the price. you are not done with the $5000 cpu alone, you still need a $1000 motherboard and the ram kit amd put in the reviewers box is another $1300. its about 7 times more expensive than a 14900k system while best case being only 2,5-3 as fast. even when you consider the best case scenario, the threadripper gets absolutely trashed in price/performance. the 7000 series threadripper is so niche that its basically dead in the water after the 8 people threadripper actually makes sense for bought their system. the 24core will be utterly ridiculous once you add the $2300 for board and memory on top. even best case its barely faster than a 7950X or 14900k and also loses to the 14900k in everything but allcore rendering. i dont know what amd wants all that money for. people who can afford server grade workstations can buy epyc and be done with it. the first threadripper was a chunky HEDT platform for everyone, now threadripper is a fancy renderfarm item for corporate level money only. over at mooreslawisdead some amd partners commented on the new threadripper like "who cares about threadripper?" - msi isnt even releasing motherboards for it, wrx90 boards come months late, and overall there are just 3 boards announced for trx50, of which none are available at launch. just fabulous.

I always wonder why CAD/CAM/SDI isn't included in "creators"

Nice and informative video, I'm curious about the maximum temperature of the 7980 X during rendering at 100% load. In 3Ds max, it goes up to 93 degrees and is this normal? With 360 mm thermaltake cooling

Great vid but you should add real world tests in Photo editing department. How much less time would a threadripper take compared to the i9 in exporting 30-50k images (with slight editing) from RAW into a Very Highly compressed JPG? Or how much less time will an AI software like aftershoot take to process through an album of say 50-70k photos? Believe it or not I shoot weddings and come home with 70-80k shots and it's really frustrating on my older PC to wait days for it to process stuff. I'm looking for an upgrade and wouldn't mind spending a little for the 32core threadripper if it can deliver performance in this department i mentioned above. And my intel is not even capable of running a 1080p YT video when exporting from LR or processing in Aftershoot. I can't really use my PC for days! i9 seems like a good upgrade but please test the threadripper in these departments.

These numbers are just like i predicted and i knew very well why which is why i been trying to get the most balanced one which i think is worth way more than the most expensive one. Because the more expensive ones have a great flaw.

all those pci lanes = with pci splitter boxes 12 x 4090's (with 1600 watt psu x 7)... render speed... is nuts ;)

Amazing Cpu,Thanks for good video, Do you have a chance to add benchmark softwares The Corona Bench? Thanks.

So if i find fast gen 5000 threadrippers for 1/3 from their original price; it's a better deal? Just for game development stability not on the artistry side.

Boy intel really paid this dude off

6 x pci gen 5 = 12 x pci gen 4 at x16 speed (with splitter boxes) + 1 gen 5 at x8 = 1 pci 4 x16 speed. so upto 13 4090's are possible with that amd. only reason is the pci lanes. makes it a killer workstation for blender heh

You should probably benchmark fluid/physics sims for CPUs instead of simply rendering 3d scenes. There are scant fringe cases where a creator would do cpu rendering on a personal computer, since an rtx 3060 would probably curbstomp a threadripper 9 times out of 10.

Windows does not know how to use 64cores well.

14:17 this parts so funny idek why

7950X or 14900K is a better option unless you need a lot of PCIe lanes.

My 14900k using up to 330watts never hits 100c man. In using a 420 aio not fancy custom loop either so don't misinform people

What about WRX90 motherboard and cpu's? Do you know when are you releasing a review for them?

It would be god if you can make an review of Blender building time before the actual rendering (GPU rendering, CPU preparation). Sometimes the building time can take up to few minutes depending on the project and few seconds to render (I know, optimization) but but... Would be very helpful to know witch configuration has the less time to build (for example blender Barbershop). ☢⚠☣

It is sad that Intel has forgotten the Content Creator customer. 20 lanes of PCIe will get you a GPU and 10Gb/s Ethernet. I have 2 Blackmagic Design 4K capture cards and 2 Avid Audio cards, which is not that much hardware when making livestream content. Sadly I cannot go back to Intel for they have created a choke point in their designs.

Why did you gimp the 14900k with 5600 ram? 😂 It still was faster in many applications that don’t scale in many threads

what is the intel equivalent of this threadripper model

ummm. that RAW score percentage on the 5995 should not be 25%. lol. should be like 8 or 9% @16:15

So what does this prove. It proves that you don't need 64 core cpu unless you doing something specific with it.

I always bought better platforms not modtly for the threads (I usually buy 10-12 cores it's fine) but for the lanes. All the wifi adapters, ssd converters, oscilliscope, radio recveivers I could want. I guess you could usb it all (well most anyway) but fit too much and the standard consumer boards can bluescreen often even when wihtout the stuff they run fine even when stressed to the max idk. Usb root issues? Drivers? Too much powerdraw from ports?

I run 4 dimms at 7600mhz on my 13900k, I had to get a proper hynix a die 4 dimm ddr5 6600mhz kit and a bunch of tinkering but it runs like a monster just chews through data and it's stable, at least stable enough, I get an error between 12 and 18 hours on y cruncher, idk why no matter what I do 🤷‍♂️ but I've never had it crash during use even while gaming, streaming, recording, downloading a game and encoding a video all at the sametime

What is your Best Value build recommendation and can you build it and benchmark it ?

Hey love your videos . Watch all the time you upload. It not the render aspect of a Threadripper need for Blender it’s the simulation/ physics and animation. Blender doesn’t utilize the gpu for that.

I feel like none of the software showed what this TR is made for. It is definitely a niche. We are ordering 24 and 32 cores versions. But I would maybe also try tests in Linux as it's scheduler could work better with that much cores.

A test that shows power consumption in all the tests (like yo did before), would have been pretty useful

I feel old, I remember when we used 1 core CPUs like Athlon XP1600+ or Intel Pentium 4.

so a few amd software updates threadripper can boost those adobe numbers up even higher.

My G forgot thr existence of xeon processors. Or maybe wanted to highlight epyc processors by not using xeon processors.

A xeon would be a more fair comparison lol. I would pick intel for my virtual machines and games for hime stuff. Thread ripper is a remarked workstation server cpus. For a server or compiling c++ code or doing scientific simulations i would pick a thread ripper. For games even an 11600k can easily outdo the thread ripper

Dont need 64 cores. Just make 1 core at 10Ghz.

Creators do not even need such specialized CPUs. Desktop high end line is plenty enough for video productivity. Creators make up impractical test benchmarks to justify buying ridiculously expensive hardware which they do not need. Clever ones write it off as their tax write off. However, many dumb people are being caught buying these processors for creativity workloads. Also, these threadrippers are a niche product with less support provided versus mainstream Ryzen brand. So you are buying power which you cannot utilize in a worse support package for your own workstation in an order of magnitude more expensive workstation computer. That is certainly a winning move! Also, Tech Notice itself could not justify buying this CPU for creators when asked in the comments. His response was to use CPU rendering of videos. Like, when it is ever a viable alternative to infinitely more superior hardware accelerated rendering of a GPU?

Judging by the level of "creation" that is around today, no.

With every pc used to make money it is simple, does it pay for itself within a certain time? If yes, it is worth it. And those adobe scores? That is exactly one if the two reasons I font use them anymore. Buggy slow old code, still optimized for 4 to 8 cores. The other reason is the subscription 😂

I dont care much about numbers.. I just need to know one thing... how is the REAL LIFE use in premiere pro :P scrubbing and such 4K - XF-AVC from canon C70 and R5c... :D VS Ryzen 7 series.. vs Intel i9 13900 KS or 14900 KS?

Why not include Mac silicon in the comparison?

Single core performance matters.

It should be called Moneyripper, not Threadripper.

Xeon Gold be like : You forgot about me

For me for example the true is amd come with higher things when for example I started choosing their good cpu I see these things but it really hurt why if 64 cores 5.0 ghz for example then compare to 128 cores 3.2 ghz who win but even in price too stuned heart it them but wow because when someone love a things it come with better but less cores but with powerful frequency but who win it these threadripper 64 cores I believe win plus optimum boost of gaming plus them wow. For example a person choosing the good cpu when knows it they see 64cores but then will want 24 cores then then they don't know what to choose then they must go with obligation with 64 cores 5.0 ghz and plus their plan is for cool for 24 cores good then will have to work more .

Id like to see it running some fluid simulations

For gaming this is useless right? What do you mainly use this for?

even after 2 generations of AMD !! Almost no editing application is able to take full advantage of 64 cores ~ AMD ? Why ? 🤣🤣

You should be comparing threadripper to Intel's sapphire rapids and then those workstation CPUs and NOT to the desktops CPUs. The price ranges are nowhere near the desktop junk and it's not worth while to compare them especially when the desktop doesn't even have Quad memory channel support. It's sad to see all these youtubers using free threadripper CPUs from AMD and not comparing them to Intel Workstation CPUs. I'm learning who to unsub from that's for sure.

My ZBrush is drooling!!

im thinking to upgrade and buy new gpu, i saw "ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 8GB GDDR6X 256-bit 19 Gbps PCIE 4.0 Gaming Graphics Card, IceStorm 2.0 Advanced Cooling, SPECTRA 2.0 RGB Lighting, ZT-A30710Q-10P" (for 400$) on a good discount (it is not trinity) but I can't see good review about this card, like how does zotac and it's fans does job? does it cools enough? and also is it worth or better to go something else? also people saying that fans are loud like jet engine

I want single chiplet 16 core Ryzen processor.

You can make 8 8-core remote virtual workstations out of 64 core proc. It's not worth it for a single user meddling with Premiere. It's worthy for larger teams, it's worth it for medium/small offices with medium/small amounts of workstations. On a bigger scale one should just go with EPYCS.

You state that there is no competition to Threadripper. Not at the top end, for sure but, for fewer cores, there are the Xeon W-2400 and Xeon W-3400 CPUs. By neglecting them you made this video completely useless.

5995wx % score wrong

Dude Windows needs to fix their api and Adobe sucks in general

If you don’t have a girlfriend this might be a passionate mission

Lemme guess.......you recommend Intel right?

I think threadripper cost too much and there is no value in a chip that is not usable because it cost too much to be useful .

I would rather have 4 xeon scaleable in one mobo and multi channel RAM. That would be similar price but will blow a threadripper

amd 7980x vs 14900K intel: LoL: hahhahahah: prise

Check the math on your slides ...

What about bitcoin mining? Making real money

it makes no sense until we have a good look at zen5 which will have faster and more efficient cores and value

In Game ??

Creators don’t need a a 128core cpu 😂😂😂 They need apples graphic accelerators 😂😂😂 Creators aren’t hungry for cpu compute. They need faster GPU and accelerators specifically for content creation