Jesús said His church would never fail. We have had plenty of bad popes, bishops and priests but the church will continue because it doesn’t belong to men it belongs to Him.
Today the problem is not that popes and bishops are teaching heresy but that their decisions regarding discipline and governance often imprudently undermine those teachings, sometimes in scandalous ways. Erick Ybarra is a great articulator of this position.
The only solution to this is simple: Francis isn't a valid Pope, and all his acts, all his writings, and all his appointments are invalid as well. God, I believe, will come an prove this to be true, and He will upright the Bark of Peter. In the meantime Francis has made a fool of himself in his behavior and absurd pronouncements.
If the situarion in germany doesn't end in a schism, the dichastery for the causes of saints will have to open a file on pope Francis as soon as he passes on to his reward, that seemed impossible 2 years ago!
@@eabm1984 Yes, viganò and muller. That's 2 guys. In Germany you have an entire episcopal conference. It's prudent for the pope to focus where there's a need to focus, especially because it's in his best interest to remove or at least greatly diminish the perversion of the concept of synodality before the apostolic exhortation this November after the synod is done.
Welcome home! Cradle Catholic here. I’ve been kicked, beaten, and ridiculed (all figuratively of course😀). I wouldn’t change it for anything this world has to offer.
welcome. Always remember my country first colonizer use this religion now they are long gone but this religion stay for the majority of our population.
I don't really understand the hoopla. I'm new to faith in general, I converted from atheism in October and I still see and feel like the Catholic church is the true church. The theology makes the most sense, Sunday Mass is beautiful worship rather than the DIY lectures of Protestantism, and Orthodoxy is disjunct, ethnically segregated, and has no head of the church to make unifying decisions. Granted, I haven't been paying attention long enough to the Church to have seen much of the day to day drama, but I have seen how fiducia supplicans was misrepresented by the media and didn't at all deserve the freak out that it got. The way I see it, if the Church looks and feels like the true church today - it makes the most sense theologically and doctrinally 2000 years after it was built, why would I be worried that some day-to-day clickbait headline is going to undo it?
Welcome home! My advice to anyone, but especially those new to the Church: don't get mired in the day-to-day news cycle. This is true of all news, but applies in a special way to Church news. It's easy to lose sight of what's eternal and enduring.
Even if something crazy happens, never leave the Eucharist!! that’s exactly what the enemy wants, for Catholics to feel embarrassed , ashamed, not being able to answer questions from Protestants! They have enough trouble of their own believe me!!! And they don’t have the Eucharist! I pray they all repent, and convert!❤️🙏🏻😀
As someone in RCIA, I thank you, Joe! You do amazing work! I just finished your book, The Early Church was the Catholic Church, and I think it's been the linchpin that eradicated the last vestiges of doubt I've had in converting from Protestantism.
The Arian issue was not a polite debate. The account of St Nicholas punching Arius in the face at Nicea is probably apocryphal but does point to the temper of the participants.
I think of papal infallibility and the doctrine of safety as guarantees that, when it comes down to it, when the Church makes a definitive statement on faith or morals, that she will not err. The truth comes out of all the controversy and confusion, God working in and through human limitation and weakness. Individual Catholics and whole groups of Catholics may be wrong about something. But in the end, the Holy Spirit will rightly guide the judgments and teaching of the Church. There can be all sorts of trouble on the way, but she won't fail. She will articulate the truth and rightly guide souls because she is lead by the Spirit of Christ. And he will preserve and sanctify his church. I don't have to like Pope Francis at all (though I do like much about him). But I can rest assured that the Holy Spirit will not let him lead the church into error.
As always, great podcast, Joe. I came into the Catholic Church (former Protestant pastor, church-planter, apologist and documentary film maker) three Easters ago. Believe it or not, one of the 50+ witnesses the Holy Spirit used to call me home was the present wretched state of the Church. (Several of the scholars I was reading and working with acknowledged that between the laity and the clergy--most notably the cadre in Vatican City--we were either approaching or already at a new, unprecedented nadir). Knowing a moderate amount about Church history by this point, I knew there had been more than a few low points before. But because of Jesus and the work of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 16:18-19; Deut. 31:8), the Church always pulled out of it. And then I had a small epiphany: following this present precipitous descent, there has to be an ascent. (Eph. 4:9-10). And then the great maxim of buying real estate came to mind, "Buy low, sell high." And so I bought. And things got even worse. But I'm more confident now than I was then, the bull market is right around the corner. Likely going to be one more bad pope. But the old order is dying off or becoming such a clown show that they are losing all credibility. (Kind of like the swamp in Washington DC.) Young priests who are serious about Apostolic truth and tradition are joining the ranks. Young bucks like you and Trent and many more are blowing up. And I see a cloud like the size of a man's hand hurtling over the horizon. (1 Kings 18:44-46). I'm praying I live long enough (and do my small part) to see the Church clothed again in the glory of God. I should also say that I swam the Bosporus Strait and not the Tiber. While I love my Roman brethren (and attend morning Mass three to five times a week when I'm home (Steubenville), I've come to believe that it is the Eastern Catholic Church (the right lung or, as I prefer calling it, the right hemisphere of the brain) that God is going to powerfully use to bring new life and renewal to the universal Church.
Beautiful witness, and welcome home! Yes, I see a great spiritual renewal in several places in the Church, and one of those is in the Eastern Catholic Churches. To name just a couple, folks like Trent Horn and Simone Rizkallah are a great boon to the Church.
Jesus said, the gates of hell will never prevail against his church. This is the birth pangs of the new age of which Christ spoke about. All this has been prophecied, only a remnant will stay with the faith of our fathers, then the church will rise like a phoinix out of the ashes. When Pope Benedict was a priest he said the church will diminish in numbers but grow in holiness.
Not the Church only but the world is going bad. This is why we must focus on our Faith and on the GOSPEL. And come back to mass, with our families. It has become urgent to distinguish in our lives what is important and what is not.
Gosh I’m so tired of it. I’m planning on taking a hiatus from social media just for the sake of edifying my soul, of finding peace in the absence of the usual inundation of fear mongering, slander and false witness.
Someone said something like this but I forget who: Many Catholics do need to find themselves a way to cultivate a medieval sense of piety. The Pope is far away and can say what he says, you don't know. If it's relevant to you your priest and bishop may tell you, maybe not. You're here, and your parish is here. You got brothers and sisters where you live needing Jesus Christ, the Sacraments, the Divine Scriptures, and you have the means to lead them to these. You have your Rosary, you have your family to take care of. Focus on these things. "Do not be afraid."
Fiducia Supplicans for dummies Pop Culture Christianity Yesterday Love the sinner, hate the sin 3 second gold fish reasoning: OK got it! Pop Culture Christianity Today Love the sinner(s), hate the sin 3 second gold fish reasoning: Wait What! The Church can not change its teachings. Two people? This changes everything. Told you the Pope was the Antichrist. We can no longer trust the Church. It clearly says we can love the sin(s).
@@eremiasranwolf3513 No, I'm called to love God with all my mind (just as much as with my soul and heart) and for that I need to think. I believe I didn't get the point of your comment.
In response to Gavin, why trust the 'Word of God' when it was clarified by similar fallible men...? He full well knows it didn't fall out of the sky, and so, by his logic, deserves no more confidence than any other teaching or office.
Thank you for everything you do Joe! I'm so thankful that God led me to his church when he did, early last year and I started RCIA in August and thankfully I did a TON of research. Phenomenal apologists like you were integral in my conversion, unfortunately if I started looking into the Catholic Church at this exact moment as I was, a protestant, I would have written off Catholocism immediately. Keep doing what you're doing, you've taught me so much about the Church and about Christianity as a whole
In you, Lord my God, I put my trust. I trust in you; do not let me be put to shame, nor let my enemies triumph over me. No one who hopes in you will ever be put to shame, but shame will come on those who are treacherous without cause. Show me your ways, Lord, teach me your paths. Guide me in your truth and teach me, for you are God my Savior, and my hope is in you all day long. (Psalm 25. 1-5)
Thanks so much, Joe! Really great information, again, and delivered in your easily understood manner. Our study group at church is just starting Steve Weidenkof's Early Church history series and this dovetail's perfectly.
The Holy Church gives us EVERYTHING we need for our Salvation: the sacraments, the teachings, the communion and prayers of the Saints, the Bible and above all a full knowledge of the person of Christ made freely accessible to all. So, we are not alone on our path to salvation. Please, let us pray for the Church and for our priests and bishops.
Apologist starts referencing Msgr. Knox . You have my full and undivided attention. And an automatic thumbs up + share. Everyone in this day and age should be required to read Knox. Especially Enthusiasm!
Because of the extent of my general Christian education and experience beforehand, my priest isn't making me go through a typical rigorous RCIA program, but he did give me a bunch of books that he wants me to read (they were all very good), but my favorites were Msgr. Knox's "Slow Motion" books. He reminded me very much of C. S. Lewis.
It’s a shame that you can point to how the Western Bishops were tricked with vague definitions that allowed for the desired interpretation of the Arians, but you can’t see it in F.S.
On that point, Joe made an interesting distinction that the western bishops were not tricked into believing heresy, but rather were tricked into allowing heresy. So, if there's a problem in FS, it could well be this, that it is not explicit enough in rejecting what it ought to reject.
@@ao19776 that was sloppy on my part. The western bishops were not tricked into believing or proclaiming heresy. Nothing stated in the council was heretical per se
@@QuekksilberYou missed the point. No one said that it taught heresy. Of course the document may seem very to you. That’s not the issue. The Arian creed seemed clear to the Western Bishops because they interpreted it within the bounds of tradition. They didn’t believe or teach heresy. The fact each individual can focus on different parts of the document and come away with their own interpretation is how you know it’s vague. Position 1: It reaffirms the constant teaching of the church and explicitly says we are not blessing the union and we are not approving of the union. Position 2: It explicitly says blessings for couples in irregular situations and couples of the same sex. It explicitly gives blessings for the relationship. It is impossible to separate the couple from the union/relationship. To bless the couple is to bless the union. Therefore you are blessing that which cannot be blessed namely sin. Position 3: Yes, the document affirms church teaching, but then contradicts itself later. Position 4: I don’t care what the document says. Obey the Pope or get out of the Church (yes people are saying that) The Pope and magisterium cannot error and so this must be right. Position 5: Yes, the Church is changing and becoming more open to same sex unions. Maybe, same sex marriage is next. Position 6: Nothing has changed. We have always offered blessings to sinners. We are blessing the individuals not the relationship. The word couple could just mean 2 people. Position 7: What it says is okay but what it does in practice is problematic. It will confuse people and be scandalous because they will not understand properly what is happening. The point is that because of the language, practice, and even novelty of the document it has allowed for people to pick their own interpretation. They highlight the things that they like and forget the rest. Obviously some views are more realistic than others.
The Catholic Answers crew - Joe Heschemeyer, Cy Kellet, Karlo Broussard, Trent Horn, and Jimmy Akin - are some of the best, most charitable, well-informed, and spiritually sound people and voices for the Church out there. I'm glad they are all becoming more well-known.
This is an excellent synopsis! I like the analogy of the continuous death and resurrections of the church. I think that as the weeds sift themselves out, the Lord is bringing new wheat into the barn. Many new converts are running into the barn when it’s on fire, meanwhile, many pseudo traditionalists and heretical libs are running out of the barn. They are scared of the fire.
It is amazing those on the far left are upset that Fiducia Supplicans does not allow gay blessings, while those on the far right are upset that it does allow gay blessings. Apparently Satan is deceiving both ends.
@@user-hl8kb1hg4t nonsense, I can send you a link to Africa Bishops who understand FS, but have you read it? What part of it are you stating is beyond your abilities? I will use the document to teach you.
Well the priests and bishops you are talking to are morons according to the faithful priests and bishops I have spoken to. The belief that the Papal Magisterium can not teach on same sex couples is idiotic. That is your fake demands that the Papal Magisterium must bow to you. Again point out the area in the document that you claim is evil.
@@user-hl8kb1hg4t See FS where a couple (2 People) is discussed. Couples have already been blessed, families have been blessed and entire congregations have been blessed. This is such a protestant argument, such as the Pope is never mentioned by name in scripture or by the Apostles. You must first submit your premise in Apostolic Tradition or Scripture that the Papal Magisterium can only mention things found in Scripture or Tradition. Your entire premise is a false belief. As I already pointed out, The overwhelming consensus among the majority of Jews and disciples of Christ rejected his teaching that "This Is My Body" . So What? The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is the Teacher. The overwhelming consensus among the majority of African bishops is not an authority that is greater than the Authority of Christ. Korah had an overwhelming consensus as well that Moses needed to adhere to their wishes. Somehow you think Church Authority is by popular opinion. So why are you appealing to an African authority over the Authority of Christ? Secularism says truth is by popular opinion, and this is what reported on social media. You have fallen for this hype thinking the DDF must first get approval to the majority. A majority, you have yet to even prove. Christ's authority is not subject to your requirement that it be popular and easy. What the Document has done is be very clear you can not have same sex Marriage, Can not bless a same sex union, or Bless the sin. The very thing the German Bishops were pushing. What you are complaining about is that the Bishops were refuted and Satan has used the Media to deceive.
Perhaps if the defenders of the document could defend it without resorting to polemics or logical fallacies, then more might be convinced. The declaration is opposed by hundreds of Bishops, high ranking Cardinals, including the former heads of the DDF and Liturgy. The declaration cannot even be harmonized with the 2021 Responsum without engaging in casiustry. Christ is truth incarnate and those who stand against truth and engage in casiustry cannot stand with the divine word.
Being just a lowly layperson I want to see more TLM services held in more places. Everywhere a church holds these masses the church fills up. I have 3 Catholic churches within 15 minutes of driving time. None of them hold TLM services but oh yeah Spanish services are no problem even though our three towns are mostly white people. I have to travel almost an hour to find a TLM that meets at 7:30 in the morning in a gym. way to tell everyone that this service is not important. We could turn the church around if we got back to basics I feel. Go back to kneeling and taking the Eucharist on the tongue. No more girl alter servers and no more women handing out the Eucharist. If we treated the mass with reverence I feel like the church would become more important to people. Get rid of protestant themes within Catholic churches.
@@dan_m7774 I don't think I am but after studying church history I see how much was lost when we moved away from TLM. I am a convert and I feel like something was stolen from me before I even got here. I go to an N.O. mass because I do believe it's valid, but I have to kneel without kneelers and jump lines if a woman is handing out the Eucharist, etc. I want reverence and I don't see it practiced. So yes I hope I am not making an idol of it and I will walk carefully. Thank you and God bless.
As someone considering catholicism thanks for this video. I almost considered Orthodoxy over the disunity and this document (i understand the document now). Technically currently a Protestant still but I have come to the conclusion Protestantism is false. Haven't converted because I live with my anti Catholic parents. Compared to the Arian heresy what's going on seems mild
If you want more information, I would check out Michael Lofton's show as he was Jewish, Orthodox then Catholic. He can provide you a very good Orthodox vs Catholic perspective.
@@dan_m7774 I watch his channel all the time. I don't understand the hate. He's trying to keep unity and show truth. I'd probably only be considering Orthodoxy if it wasn't for him. But now I'm just considering catholicism
One might consider the lack of judgment shown by the Holy Father in elevating Cardinal Fernandez to the chief office of doctrinal affairs in the Church. The very same Cardinal who authored an interesting book that includes the enlightening fantasy describing the sexual relations between a 16 year old girl and Jesus. Quite illuminating.
One might consider the lack of judgement shown by the College of Cardinals and the Holy Spirit in elevating Aena Silvio Piccolomini into the Papal office. The very same man who authored an interesting book that includes the affair via letter of a married woman describing with erotic imagery the attraction to one another. The same man who interestingly had children out of wedlock before he became pope. Quite illuminating. Yes. You now understand what kinds of arguments that 16th-century Catholics found so convincing that they turned into Protestants. That doesn't make their points about the papal doctrines true, though.
where Peter is, there is the Church. Jesus promised Peter that the gates of hell will never overcome the Church. Then moment you accept that Jesus can’t keep His promise is the moment everything you believe becomes a lie. so as long as you believe in the words of Jesus Himself, then you must remain with the successor of Peter, because it was only him that was promised this divine promise
If only you did interviews, then you could allow Rod Bennett a moment of shameless pluggery for his book, The Apostasy That Wasn’t.” It goes through the same period of history but adds the context of St. Athanasius’s background, being essentially raised by St. Anthony of the desert, and how the latter’s ascetical witness kept the Church orthodox in a way, in contrast with how many Christians were living post edict of Milan. Great video! Sts. Athanasius, Anthony, and Basil, ora pro nobis!
Now we will see which bishops are correct. The ones that support the ordinary magisterium and the pope or the ones that do not. I recently predicted to my friend a few months back that a council would happen in my life time and I think that is getting closer.
Sorry, 500 plus bishops disagree with what your saying. You can't bless SS couples. I think Pope Francis believes mercy trumps " catholic teaching " blessings " gay couples in their sin 6:54
Even Joe expressed serious concerns with the FS document. It is possible to do so without dissenting or disobeying. Faithful Catholics who have legit concerns do not appreciate being lumped in with dissenters, sedevacantists, and RadTrads.
Hearing comprehension?? He didn't have concerns with the document he said others have concerns with it. You can't claim to be faithful if you don't accept a magesterial teaching lol. Also it's made for clergy not some lay person.
@@Kristopher-Christbearer I didn't say he expressed concerns in this video. Maybe you don't follow Heschmeyer as closely as I do? Maybe that's a better explanation than questioning my aural health? Check out Joe on Pints with Aquinas on 12/20/2023. Your Welcome. No one is denying magisterial teaching. Allowing same-sex couples to be blessed as a couple together in a public setting is not a teaching; it's an imprudent decision regarding discipline and governance.
@@tonyl3762 "you're" grasping for straws. watch this video now that the dust has settled.... if someone abuses the document that doesnt make the document the fault. If someone abuses the eucharist, like one that takes publicly dissents, then its not the eucharists fault. God still instituted knowing their would be abuse.... lay person. read the profession of the faith n submit all ur will n intellect to the pontiff like a christian is supposed to do.
@@Kristopher-Christbearer Was Joe grasping for straws on Pints with Aquinas?? Did Trent Horn grasp for straws on Ben Shapiro and CA Live? Watch what video? The fact that the document allows SS couples to be blessed AS A COUPLE is the document's fault, not an abuse of the document; again, it is imprudent, even if it can be technically/legally justified by the lawyers in the hierarchy. None of the later clarifications from the DDF/Cardinal Fernandez denied that the couple could be blessed as a couple together in one blessing. Moreover, the document was more concerned about "intolerable casuistry" than the very real, grave, and foreseeable danger of abuse and scandal because the document took no specific steps to avoid scandal such as requiring the cleric to ask the reason for the request for the blessing, the individuals to be blessed as individuals, the blessing to occur in private, or certain guardrails/rubrics in terms of the language that could be used for the blessing. Christian submission does not require silence in the face of imprudence or abuse with respect to discipline or governance. Canon 212 allows the faithful to express their concerns with respect and obedience. Take it up with St Catherine of Siena.
Joe was an idiot for expressing serious concerns, as he spreads doubt and fear. The proper thing was to seek clarification and advice. To spend decades explaining the assurances of Christ regarding the Church, then wring your hands when you have doubts is a personal failure.
When you flip a bird to your savior, think there is more than 1 God....what do you expect? When will the catholic church be held accountable for their heresy?
I tell you Joe, you simply put this timely video much needed message to aid us to interpret the times, to re-focus our sights which by now had taken a nose dive from what's been happening to our church.Thank you for lifting up our spirits May Our Lord Jesus Christ continue to bless you and your family.
Remarkable, wise, reasoned and prayed! The Holy Spirit in real action interacting with the free will. Thanks and God bless you for this masterpiece about the Divine Protection over the Holy Church. OurFather and Our Sweet Blessed Mother masters our History!
I've been uneasy with Pope Francis and many of his statements, even worse the spin that both the Ultra Conservative and Ultra Liberals put on his statements. I think back over the past almost two thousand years, and I wonder if I would have had the same issues with the impulsiveness that we see in the NT depiction of St. Peter. If it was not for that pesky promise of our Lord that He would remain with His Church, and where in Matthew, Jesus Addressed St. Peter telling him, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
No one can control what the “Ultra Conservative and Ultra Liberals put on his statements”. All we can do is read the actual documents and spread what the pope ACTUALLY said, like the sampling below… Fiducia Supplicans quote/excerpts “…the Church does not have the power to impart blessings on unions of persons of the same sex.” Part 1.5 I. The Blessing in the Sacrament of Marriage 4. Pope Francis’ recent response to the second of the five questions posed by two Cardinals[4] offers an opportunity to explore this issue further, especially in its pastoral implications. It is a matter of avoiding that “something that is not marriage is being recognized as marriage.”[5] Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage-which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”[6]-and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm. II. The Meaning of the Various Blessings 11. Basing itself on these considerations, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Explanatory Note to its 2021 Responsum recalls that when a blessing is invoked on certain human relationships by a special liturgical rite, it is necessary that what is blessed corresponds with God’s designs written in creation and fully revealed by Christ the Lord. For this reason, since the Church has always considered only those sexual relations that are lived out within marriage to be morally licit, the Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when that would somehow offer a form of moral legitimacy to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice. Vatican News article 1-24-24 headline reads “Pope Francis: Bless the persons, not the union” Later in the document with further details of this language he “stressed”…
Good question made specially for the individuals who do not trust Jesus, who said in: MATTHEW 16:18 18. And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hell SHALL NOT PREVAIL against it. True Christians believe Jesus.
What divides and at the same time unites a Church of the Wicked and a Church of the Just, is, according to Pope Benedict XVI when he was still a young theologian, Joseph Ratzinger, that the Church is, until the Last Judgment, both Church of Christ and Church of the Antichrist: "From this it follows that the Antichrist belongs to the Church, grows in it and with it up to the great separation, which will be introduced by the definitive revelation" It is worth reflecting on this last point to understand to distinguish a dark Church, made up of the Wicked who form the body of Satan, and a Just Church, made up of those who are faithful to Christ. In the present State, the Church's two bodies are inseparably mixed, but they will be divided at the end of days: "Now this goes on from the time of the Lord's passion until the church, which keeps it in check, withdraws from the midst of this mystery of lawlessness so that godlessness may be unveiled in its own time, as the apostle says in the Second Epistle of Paul to the Thessalonians, which contains a prophecy on the end of days. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming. The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
@shamelesspopery @Joe Heschmeyer thank you for another great video/ teaching. Im very excited to hear that @Answering Adventism @Myles Christian and you are about to do a video together on SDA can't wait please let us know when its done. Thanks Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
As the Lord Jesus said through the apostle John in Revelation - Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. Ch. 18. Babylon is the Roman Catholic system. Read and see how it all fits her description.
Great stuff, Joe! My biggest question with the whole controversy right now is why the Church is discussing blessing same sex couples. I know they tried to distinguish the type of blessing by saying that it isn't a liturgical condoning of the union. But if that's the case, why bless "couples"? The very nature of being a couple IS the union. Wouldn't it be more prudent for the church to just say that any individual can receive a blessing, regardless of their sinful proclivities? It just seems difficult to separate blessing a "couple" from condoning the union. I welcome anyone's thoughts if they'd be willing to share.
Where the document in paragraph 31 speaks about couples it says "those" who seek God's help with a humble heart and not a confirmation of their status. The blessing is for the individuals to live their life in fidelity to the Gospel. Why not let Cardinal Fernandez speak in the clarification about the document: "[N]on-ritualized blessings are not a consecration of the person nor of the couple who receives them, they are not a justification of all their actions, and they are not an endorsement of the life that they lead." “If two people approach together to seek the blessing, one simply asks the Lord for peace, health and other good things for these two people who request it,” it says. “At the same time, one asks that they may live the Gospel of Christ in full fidelity and so that the Holy Spirit can free these two people from everything that does not correspond to his divine will and from everything that requires purification.” These quotations were taken from the Pillar article about the clarification by the DDF.
@Quekksilber Thanks for your comment. I'm familiar with the document, but I still think the language is irresponsible. The teaching (or clarification of teaching) itself may not be heretical, but it certainly doesn't seem that it was presented with care. The confusion in the Church that has been caused by this seems to be a direct consequence of the wording. I can understand that the Pope is trying to be careful in preventing schism, but it really does feel like the wording has been intentionally left ambiguous enough to leave plenty of room for misinterpretation. This is my problem with blessing a "couple." The context you cited above suggests that to give a same-sex couple a blessing would be to ask for God's assistance in dissolving their status AS a couple. I understand the point being made in the technical sense. However, I think the presentation seems counterintuitive to most people, and that ambiguity feels like the Church is trying to leave wiggle- room. The Church is supposed to be stronger than the age it exists in, and the appearance of the Church bending to accommodate "current thing" is disheartening.
@@Chili7Voodoo I truly understand your concern, thank you for your comments. What helped me was to reflect on these Words by Pope St. Pius X: "If you love the Pope, you do not stop to debate what he counsels or requires, to discover the extent of the strict duty and obedience and determine the limits of its obligation. If you love the Pope, you do not object that he has not spoken sufficiently clearly, as though he were obliged to repeat directly into the ear of everyone the desire he has so often clearly expressed, not only in speech but also in letters and other public documents; you do not cast doubt upon his orders on the facile pretext of the willfully disobedient that they do not proceed directly from him, but from his entourage; you do not try to circumscribe the area in which he may and ought to exercise his authority, you do not oppose the authority of other person's, however learned, whose opinion differs from the Pope's against the authority of the Pope." I am a German Catholic, and I have seen how some of the German functionaries, not just some of the bishops, have tried to do something akin to what St. Pius X advises against here. I also see many of these things with some traditionalists. A good test I have taken up for whether my criticism of the Holy See is valid is trying to apply it to a spouse. "My wife is always speaking so ambiguously, I'm beginning to wonder if she does it intentionally... This could destroy our relationship." "Has she tried to clarify?" "Actually yes, and in that light, what she said isn't a problem at all, but still, she shouldn't have been ambiguous to begin with and there are others who are saying that even the clarification was made with bad motives, trying to soothe me while further trying to destroy the relationship." "Don't you think that some of your criticism against your wife is unfair? How can she appear to be of good faith to you, when there is always another hidden bad intention you can go back to? Could it be that from your side your suspicion is also harming the relationship?" I think too many faithful Catholics have listened too much to people who told them that the Holy See had some other mission rather than unification of the Church, defense of the Faith and the spread of Christ's kingdom over the Earth. And, applying that back to my analogy, those are the voices I should trust less than that of my spouse. I think the confusion in the Church is a direct consequence of people trying to put the Holy Father in a certain light. I have seen it both from the lib German and the trad side.
@Quekksilber I appreciate your words, and I agree that many public commentators are criticizing the Pope based on their own opinions how he should do things instead of on the Church's teaching about the office (if that makes sense). Though I am not in the camp of folks who are calling Francis a heretic, I am also not in the camp of folks who seem blindly optimistic about the Vatican's actions. Rather, I find myself in the position of praying for our Holy Father to do well in his office for the good of the Church and the glory of God, whatever it is that that may look like. I'm certainly not wise enough to know God's plan or to judge what SHOULD be, so I leave my trust in Him and His church. That said, I think it's easy for well-read and well-catechized Catholics to sometimes forget that many Catholics are neither of those things. You and I can both read, follow, and understand the nuance of this situation, but many (maybe even most) of our brothers and sisters in Christ will not contend with this situation so easily. With so many voices clamoring in the extreme on either side, it can be easy for people to not know who to listen to or who to believe. It's not as though the Church has never had a bad Pope or been misled into temporarily agreeing with heresy, so it is reasonable for folks to be vigilant. And with secularism and worship of the individual and self-pleasure on the rise globally, I certainly understand why people are quick to react to anything that even looks like that sickness infiltrating the Church. I just pray that the Pope can balance the appropriate levels of both charity and cynicism to teach on the Word in a way that resonates with with people and inspires loving confidence in the Church.
This is why it’s so important to understand what a Catholic is. Mystici Corporis Christi 22: 22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body … 23. For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy. Not only was John XXIII-Francis not Catholic, they were arch enemies of Catholicism who usurped the throne of Peter and used there usurped illegitimate power to displace Catholicism with a new, false, freemasonic contradictory (embracing as new”church teaching” previously condemned heresies) religion. None of what these imposters have done has any validity within the true church (see Cum ex Apostolatus Officio #6). Heretics exclude themselves from the Church (Titus 3: 10-11 and Canon 188.4), including those who follow heretics into apostasy. The Vatican II Sect is NOT the Catholic Church. That spiritual harlot described in Apocalypse 17-18 lacks the marks and attributes of the Church. Sadly this includes our brilliant and knowledgeable Joe. He calls these Anticatholic heretics Popes notwithstanding that they have publicly forsaken the RCF. See Canon 188.4. Thus Joe has separated himself from the faith because it proves he does not believe what our Lord, Pope Pius IX and the Vatican Council (1870) taught: Vatican Council (1870), Session 4, Chapter 4, Paragraph 6: For the holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Saviour to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren [Luke 22:32] . He separates himself by claiming that a harlot is the indefectible bride of Christ even though it does not possess the marks and attributes by which she is identified. See chapter 12 Baltimore Catechism #3. Sedevcantism is a true fact. Claiming antiCatholics are true popes doesn’t save the Papacy, it corrupts Catholic truth and keeps the faithful in the hands of imposters to the detriment of their immortal souls. The prophesy of 2 Thessalonians 2: 7 was fulfilled 10/9/1958. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qikkoocqgUE.html m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-giVuud52ijY.html m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZQp00j4H3Kg.html To be a real Catholic while the Church is in eclipse by the Imposter Church (As our Lady of LaSalette prophesied in 1846) go to: novusordowatch.org/start-here/ novusordowatch.org/now-what/ cmri.org/
But SHE NEVER TEACHES ERROR. The Arians were not Catholics, the Modernists are not Catholics. This time NonCatholic claim to be Popes. They are not. They are heads of a different Church. Catholics don’t deceive by calling NonCatholicsPopes. To do so is to leave the Church.
Thank You for Your works ! As Catholic Christians, today, more than ever, we have to know what we believe. Yes, indeed, we have to re-discover and learn the GOSPEL and the person of JESUS-CHRIST ! We have to clean our FAITH from all useless and false things that the world introduced in our minds! Let's be focus on FAITH, HOPE and CHARITY/LOVE and the teachings of the HOLY CHURCH
I am not a Catholic. However the Church has done many things deserving of the highest praise. The Christian Democratic Parties in Europe helped create Western Europe. Shocked by both Communism and Fascism they sought to create fair societies with minimum wages, protection for workers so families could have a decent life. In my country Catholics were at the bottom of the social pyramid. They set up schools so talented kids could move into the professions. They set up hospitals. They also supported the creation of fair working conditions. Down the road from where I live there is a statue of a priest who devoted his life to people in prison. Helping them to cope and move back into society. Obviously there have been some issues but I think stuff like the recent scandals should not blind us to what the Church has done to try to create a better and more compassionate society
Excellent presentation...loved the summarized history which I know is quite complicated but you nailed this overview. While I am a Catholic until God calls me from this life this sort of information helps me provide others who are not so hopeful or thinking of leaving the church much like those Bishops during the Arian crisis (trickery I should say). Thanks for the work you do sir....Blessings always...
Islam ☪️ is the last breath of Arianism. Islam originally came from Messianic Judaism and later merged with Arian Christianity. The phenomenal rise of Islam in the 7th century is conventionally attributed to military conquest of Christian territories as Northern Africa and Spain. What really happened was that the Christology of the conquering empire was not so different from the ruling elite in these regions. In Northern Africa we have the Arians of Alexandria welcoming the rival of Constantinople. In nowadays Tunica the Vandals ruled, a known Arian tribe from Europe. In Spain 🇪🇸 an enigmatic conquest happened because the Visi-Goths were Arian except the Royalty that had relatively recently converted to Rome. In Spain the Jews had a good standing and they were happy to welcome “Unitarianism ” on their own terms. The conquest was more theological than military. The Reconquista was also a theological victory over military domination. At the time of the reconquista the majority were already Catholics. I’m not saying that Arabs didn’t fight many victorious battles. I’m saying that the resistance wasn’t as strong as we like to believe.
I haven't gotten around to Bad Shepherds yet, but loved The Apostasy That Wasn't. Four Witnesses was also great and a good pairing for The Apostasy That Wasn't. They really bridge the gap between Jesus establishing the Church and Constantine (not) inventing Christianity/Catholicism.
So, if I have good understand the protestants/Evangelicals, to be a Christian (I mean like them) I have to reject my baptismal promises and get baptized again! Then, I must reject the Saints, the apostles, the doctors of the Church, the Cross and even our Holy Mother Mary and the teachings of the GOSPEL too. Then I will be “born again” and my place in heaven will be assured by my pastor, whatever I do in my life. That's right ?? ah yes, I forgot: on Sunday, instead of going to celebrate the body and blood of Christ, I will go to a pop-rock concert, I will dance with my arms in the air and I will call it the " christian worship ".
Hello, I greatly appreciate your invaluable lessons thank you very much. I would like to ask something off topic, but I would like to request a video of the history and back round of the Fatima Prayer. I'm having a hard time figuring out the back round. Thank you so much for your time reading this.
Thanks for the amazing video. Your content has really been super compelling and I love it. I am a convert to Catholicism from non denominational Protestantism, but originally I was LDS, and in my conversations with LDS family members, I've heard of LDS apologists trying to find proof of their great apostasy doctrine in what they called "the persecution of the Arians by the Catholics" And it seems some people in the LDS world feel that the Arian controversy is the junction where the catholic faith went wrong and they identify with the Arians. It would be interesting to see if any Arians believed in any other aspects of LDS theology, Christology, or Exaltation. It seems to me that it's a pretty intense cherry pick of apostolic era writings to reorient history in accordance to their world view.
Thank you for this. It was a golden age for the truth of our belief and it was a struggle over many years. Poor Athanasius went back and forth from his seat five times. A symbol of what would happen after he died, I suppose. I can't help feeling that this is our Church (Christ) fighting a political, intellectual battle but now we are fighting a battle of the heart. Our pastoral pope exposes a certain hard-heartedness of many towards others. Criticism is fierce and fast. He has to be careful what words he uses but he tries to express the nature of Christ, who ate with sinners and had no trace of the cynicism of our age. Our well-trained critical faculties are inclined towards judgement of others. Can an excellent apologist like you expound 1Cor13? Perhaps that would help?
Through history there been bad pope. Evilness has tried to destroy the church,but for two thousand yrs. Everything has fallen around it, but the church still stands,only by the hand of God.
I always thought that the arguments over Christology were ridiculous. I remember looking into the monophysite controversy, and it was difficult for me to even understand the differences between the two sides. It seemed to me that they were just arguing over words. Is it possible to perform a scientific experiment on Christ to figure out how he works or what is nature is? Is there some tangible difference to how we relate to him on Earth whether he has 1 human-divine nature or is one being with two natures? I am not aware that there is. It seems to me that in the absence of a scientific experiment (which is obviously impossible), the only way to resolve the issue is for Jesus to just come down to Earth and tell us. However, it doesn't appear that he did this. I don't think a technically correct way of understanding Jesus is even necessary to worship him properly. Did he say, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me," or did he say, "He who has and professes the correct Christology is he who loves me"? I think it would be like if you were disowned because you had an incorrect understanding of your mother's circulatory system. It seems to me that it's not at all necessary to have a technical understanding of the nature of another person's being in order to be able to love that person. Even if Christology is necessary for salvation, I have to become a scholar on the topic to have an informed opinion on the matter, which does not seem fair. I understand that the early Christians believed that their unanimity was a sign of their inspiration by the holy spirit. Well, if there's a church council that forms a schism (like between the Catholics and the Oriental Orthodox), doesn't that disprove that the council was of the holy spirit? It seems to me then that by the conception of the people at the time, I must conclude that there was no holy spirit in the church already by the time of the split of the Oriental Orthodox.
Jump ship? I don’t fancy my chances of survival in the murky, cold water out there - we can control any small leaks if we stay on board but the ship is still strong, after all, Jesus built it. I trust Him with my life.
so, at 6:55, is Pope Francis creating a heresy, which needs to be squashed later on? in a pastoral sense, you can show care, but always with a gentle hand guiding towards oneness with God. blessing this relationship encourages the participant's continuation in sin, and encourages others in this relationship to continue. we already see that community hailing this decision by the church. what's next- a transgender priest? in the name of compassion and grace? don't get me wrong, i am catholic and I don't know i have any where else to go. i am dismayed with the path Pope Francis taking- seems mis guided at best.
Catholic Church will last till the Return of Jesus Christ and that Church alone will be raptured. The question is whether Roman Catholic Church can be counted as part of Catholic Church which Jesus Christ has been building !
The problem going on in the church is the cradle catholics sitting in the pews spewing their criticism and hatred of the CC. As a convert, I'm not listening or assiciating with this level of hatred.
Why would a faithful Catholic jump ship. It is the one true Church and if those within it are going against the deposit of faith than they need to leave.
