Is The Fall Guy a Bad Sign for Summer? - Charts with Dan! 

Same! BUT I agree with Dan’s review: the script could have been better.

@@kstepkodefinitely tighter…. (And clearly that isn’t meant to be a pun…Ryan’s plenty tight. Lol)

I saw it on theater too and it reminded me of more normal times. Wasn't crazy about the movie but it was fun and enjoyable and certainly the type you go see in theatre. I'm not one for theaters but got out for Dune 2, Challengers and now Fall Guy. It's good to be back!

Its for the same reason. MI Dead Reckoning got decent reviews, but nothing spectacular. Same with Fall Guy People are more careful how they spend their money and time. If its not a wow must see movie, just wait for streaming

@@aliali-ce3yf MI Dead Reckoning poor box office has nothing to do with the movie quality, it was ruined by Barbenheimer hype and Nolan's 2-3 week IMAX exclusivity deal, because for them Nolan was more important, he's using IMAX cameras and always promoting them.

Not a good comparison. Dead reckoning had a much better opening weekend.

Nah, they’re not really alike at all. Dead Reckoning would’ve done well had Paramount not released it immediately before Barbenheimer.

Completely agree!

No, it wasn't.

I was born in 1982, so I don't remember many TV series from the 80s. I would only know them if they were in syndication and appealed to me when I was older. I only vaguely remember shows watched with my parents as a child. Matlock; Murder, She Wrote; The Wonder Years, Golden Girls.

Star power and lots of marketing. I'm tired of this movie before it even came out.

Yeah even the trailer felt tired 😂😂

I used to watch the TV series back in it's original release run, and it didn't even click that this movie was related to the series. The series was entertaining enough _at the time_, but not enough to elevate it anywhere near being a classic 80's series - I'd mostly forgotten about it until Dan mentioned last week about the connection.

@@Thermalions Agreed. The trailer also looked like much more of a goofy comedy than I remember the series being.

Agreed, I saw The Beekeeper then. This would have been a nice double feature ☺️

Or maybe generic action comedies just aren't what people consider "good?" I know I have zero interest in it.

Exactly. There are plenty original movies coming out, but no one sees them, and then they sit and complain that everything’s a remake or a sequel.

Yeah, I share both of those sentiments. I think they saw the shiny, new streaming business and never thought about how that could be profitable for big-budget, or even mid-budget, films. They made the gap between theatrical release and streaming release way too short. Additionally, the average theater experience is nothing special for the price. I'll pay those high prices but make it something more enjoyable than me sitting in my home. Original films really are a hard sell to people now. Unless there's huge marketing hype, I can't even get friends to see something that isn't attached to a known property. I think that's also largely because people have been conditioned to that being what film is, a continuing series of stories about a known set of characters. Studios were able to get away with that business model when most of the blockbuster IP films were opening huge. Even a lot of critics were oblivious to the fact that it was a boom-and-bust business model that wouldn't sustain the industry long-term. And so, here we are.

The Fall Guy is neither good or original though so nope

​​@@dagrimmreepahow can you say the movie is generic if you haven't seen it? This is the problem, audiences judge before watching a movie and don't give them the chance to prove otherwise, so studios stick with IPs that work until the public gets exhausted and move on to the next one

Godzilla minus one is successful because the actors are cheap and labor in japan is more cheap compare to us. The other solution is Hollywood must focus on talented bit not popular actors so the budget is not that big.

As a Godzilla fan I'm m so happy for GxK. I have seen it 3 times. I agree it's great to see both the fun and serious takes on it do well!

@@carloconopio6513 Those are not the sole reasons Godzilla Minus One was a success. Godzilla is a popular character, the movie was very well-received, and simply saying the cost is cheap while giving no credit to the efficiency or talent of the filmmakers is reductive

By some miracle, but more due to quality of story and FX, Godzilla Minus One, which was supposed to be a non-factor, ended up helping both itself and the Monsterverse version. And I hope we get both type of "smart" Godzillas in the future. It will be interesting, that with the extra time period having to wait for streaming, if people will simply jump up and buy the hard media, and also check out Minus One even more, when it's finally released, probably on Netflix in the US.

Also costs like 35M more and it’s a sequel to a cult classic

The original Blade Runner has a lot more awareness and more fans than an old 70s TV show that much fewer people are aware of.

No it isn't.

That's crazy

Bladerunner had cult status that is part of pop culture. Fall Guy is obscure. But I wasn't aware of old series that were made into movies that I did like when they came out. I am thinking of Mission Impossible. I think there are a few others, but Mission Impossible is one of the biggest movie franchise.

agreed, as a teenager in the 90s and then a young adult in the 2000s, going to the movies on a weekend was a popular pastime for those agred 15-25. These days, this same age bracket are more likely to be playing the latest videogame or checking out new tic-tok vidoes (unless it is an even movie like Dune or Mario). Given the cost of living has also rose astronomically since then, I dont blame young people for not going to the theatre as much either.

Right? When I was little, TPM was my fav because of the costume design!

I didnt really notice until i read your post but you are right, boy are the female leads for star wars dressed super drably. They all wear utilitarian, borderline monochromatic formless outfits. That purple haired chick and Leia from the last Jedi are the only unique costumes i can think of off the top of my head.

Think the better phrasing is that Gosling has never really been one to lead big budget (100M+) movies. Blade Runner 2049 was his only leading role in a big movie. Barbie was supporting.

@nms7872 but hes got plenty of other mid budget movies that flopped too.Gangster squad, The nice guys, First man.Hes just a great actor who seems like everyone likes but nobody pays to see

The same thing applies with Margot Robbie

Besides maybe a few people like Leonardo DiCaprio or The Rock, movie stars are no longer the "box office draw" they once were. You need several different factors to drive people out to the theaters these days.

I've been watching Ryan for decades but I don't have a reason to see him in The Fall Guy. It doesn't seem interesting. Maybe I'd see him in a serious action movie, but not another obscure 80s remix.

That was too expensive for a movie like this. I honestly think studios need to make more mid budget movies.

@@GuysMovieClubbecause the actors are expensive. Plus too many reshoots. Thats the problem of Hollywood today.

It's crazy that movie theatres don't just step their game up and provide a better experience for people...unless they're just THAT cash-strapped

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I have never heard of this. Thank you. You learn something new every day.

That does make sense. They also seem to like releasing films on Comic Con weekend.

You could argue those are already strong IPs. Dune sequel/remake. Oppenheimer riding on the Nolan name.

@@thedarkemissary Yep, Oppenheimer even if it was really good but by a different director would either a taken a long time for word of mouth or people word of heards its good and been like ill check it out when I can rent it

​@@thedarkemissaryOppenheimer was riding on Barbie.

The only new concept movies that seem to get attention are either A24 movies or horror movies in general.

We live in an age where thanks to streaming services, you can watch a new movie or tv episode every single night and never run out of new content. At the same time, ticket prices are as high as they've ever been and people are struggling to pay the bills. This is not a good time to spend 100 million dollars or more on a new IP. I'm not sure why they thought people would flock to see a rom com in theaters enough to break even.

If that's the case than they should start making movie's for old people then, Without all that political Bullshit pc crap, But they aren't even do that, so not even old people are going to the theater's either, so for who are they making this kind's of movies for?????

This. There is very little about the Fall Guy that argues I should see it in theaters vs. in the comfort of my own home. Dune and Godzilla have features that make it worthwhile to see them in theaters and Kung-Fu Panda is a fun family outing. Theaters are so expensive that I want the film to merit that expense in some way.

Agreed

I thought it was missing the steam! lol

​@@annekeener4119 I think any movie is better in the theaters because watching movies in the "comfort of my own home" honestly sucks in comparison. Too many distractions and harder to engage. But yes, this movie does look like a generic streaming movie, even if it isn't.

No, not really. It's the cost of going to the theater. Netflix is an option, not a cause.

Man you knocked it out of the park. The budget is way too big we’re talking about a 100 million dollar plus romantic action comedy. That’s way too much.

The budget probably went to all the big practical effects and stunts.

@@alexp601 it most definitely I would say in terms of a good portion probably paid our two main leads so that could be around maybe $10-$20 million right there. Or $5-$10 million might be better. I’m not sure if this movie was in production during Covid so there might be some added costs there and yeah I would agree that a lot of the action does add the cost too. Jokingly, I wonder how much they paid all the studios for the first opening five minutes of the movie because if you’ve seen the movie, you know that they use footage from other movies with stunts that are owned by other studios I think.

The problem is that all the press for this movie is 'THIS IS A MOVIE, COME SEE IT' there's no hook other than MAYBE you like Gosling. No boobs, blood, relevant IP or controversy to drive people to see it.

@@geoffnaggie961 I think they could have pushed the stunts angle. Hype up how this film does so many practical stunts, and focus on how it’s a love letter to good old fashion Hollywood stunts and action. That’s one of the things that really stood out for me while I was watching the film.

Maybe so but there’s gonna be a movie this summer that does 10 times better in the box office then the fall guy so I’m not so sure that’s the case

Streaming for free? Yes, but actually no, you still have to pay for conforming to their service/s.

@@ras_732 True, but you just pay a fixed amount / so you would not be paying extra to watch any given movie one friday night, verses paying $20 + concessions etc to see 1 movie at the theatre.

@@kennytesta9312 agreed, the likes of Deadpool and Wolverene, , will do very well, but this as an example of an event movie that people will leave the house to go and see. The problem is more people need to see the non- event movies for theatres to survivie.

I think Furiosa will flop They should have kept Theron and Hardy.Word of mouth not good from Sydney premiere

@@moshosihole4185 really ???

@@mrawesome7175 plus reported budget is 250 million!

@@moshosihole4185 Could care less about budget if the movie is good. It's not my money. Also, they don't charge higher prices for tickets... why even mention budget?

@@moshosihole4185 ?? Can't bring Theron back because it's an origin story. Maybe Hardy but it's not his story.

Stupid people watch tv

Although that film (I know it’s NOW owned by Disney) comes from filmmakers that have nothing to do with Disney and from 1999. Lol

That seems to be the new reality for the movie industry, people will just wait for streaming, or just skip it completly, as there is so much choice on streaming.

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It's a shame because the Fall Guy is a fun big screen movie. Once music became easily and commercially first downloadable and then streamable, I drastically cut down how many full albums I bought in CD/LP/Cassette form. I didn't have to gamble $14.98 to get two songs I liked and hope there were four or five others I would enjoy.

Can't wait till people ask why the budgets for Joker Folie a Deux and Gladiator 2 are so high later this year.

Word of mouth? TFG got well reviewed by almost every movie outlet but it flopped. Not sure what it says about the influence of movie reviewers… 🤷🏻‍♂️ The only thing I can give it is that university students are at protests and not going to the cinema….

Plus the TV and sound systems have improved and watching stuff at home is more comfortable. So most people just show up for the big events movies or concerts

Just out of curiosity, is the $20-25 a month for the unlimited services places like Regal and AMC offer still too much? I'm genuinely curious and not trying to judge. I go to movies all the time because of it; it's actually way cheaper than most activities since they cover the cost of the tickets. So the argument of "movies are too expensive" seems odd to me, but I go to *a lot* of movies so I understand that I might be biased and others might not see as much value in it if they really don't care all that much about movies. I am also one singular human being without kids, so there's also that.

@@32fps Yeah, I didn’t want to mention it, but I do have kids. Lol. So, I have less time than I did before and when I do have time, we’re watching Kung Fu Panda 4 in the theaters. Lol. I don’t know if theaters still offer those memberships. I imagine they still do, but not every family has the time to go either.

@@32fpsyeah, with AMC A-list, you get up to 12 movies a month for the price of 1 or 2 tickets… service fees are waived, and you get reward points… (technically, it’s 3 movies a week, and the app can be buggy about it… the limitations tell me that A-list may not be a money maker for AMC… so frustrating because some weeks there might be 4 I want to see, but then nothing the next, lol) AMC doesn’t seem to promote A-list much, and you can’t get it for children as far as I know… so a parent is still paying big bucks, even if they have A-list… And maybe not enough movies are appealing to people to make $25 a month worth it, so A-list would effectively be like a gym membership for many… And AMC doesn’t let you pause without penalty… I think if you pause, you can’t resume for 6 months. Anyway, also curious why others don’t sign up for the theaters’ subscriptions.

Yup thats right but there is a solution. First hire not popular actors but talented .because we all know there talent fee is so expensive. 2nd finish the script before start shooting. 3rd stop too many shooting. And last do more an original but mainstream’s movies. Because we all know indie film doesn’t earn that money.