Is the Kirchhoff EQ really better than Fabfilter ProQ3? 

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Just a heads up. There is no saturation added to the Kirchhoff EQ. It's just the curves from the vintage eqs that they emulated. There is no saturation in the plugin except for what would be caused by the dynamic eq.

thank you for this real informative video :) and thank you for being transparent and mentioning other plugins

This EQ has most definitely taken inspiration from DMG Equilibrium which had hardware modeled EQ curves as well. It still sounds amazing even in 2022!

I just got it from PA and LOVE it!

great video and thanks for sharing your perspective. after lots of research I went with the Kircchoff a couple months ago, and to your point there was a learning curve. However, wow, do I love that EQ. FF has the best UX, so if FF did an upgrade and closed the gap I'd likely switch to Pro-Q4. Regardless the Kirchhoff is amazing for surgery - the dynamic upward and downward (expansion vs. compression) capabilities on the same band are awesome (bit hard to sort at first, but awesome in the end - not sure if Q3 has that)

Both great, use Kirchhoff when i need more control, but generally happy to keep Q3 as my workhorse.

..is there a way to see the colliding frequencies in kirchoff like in ff pro q3? that would be amazing....regards

I do share your first impressions about this plugin. For the good and the bad. Great video and thank you!!

Both are great EQ's. With the PA Forever $29 subscription(around 30 euro for a full license) kirchhoff wins for me.

How does the kirchoff have split function like sustain and. Attack??? I never noticed it ,can you explain?

Love your videos

I just discovered Kirchoff a few days ago and I'm very impressed with it. I would like to give it a go! Btw, I love your channel and the thick Dutch accent, shoutout from Zaandam :)

I miss the EQ Match function in Kirchhoff. Beside of that I would vote for Kirchhoff. Thanks for the comparison!

you can however customise most of the gui on the kirchoff, you can even load a custom picture as background 😊

I was just looking for this video last week XD can please do a comparison between Smart EQ 3 from Sonible

Kirchoff will be my Go To. Even if Pro Q 4 takes the crown I’ll be using this one. Something about it works for my workflow. To each their own Pro Q 3 is really good. Industry standard as well

Great video as always! I've been using SIR Audio Tools' StandardEQ for a while now, which is fine for what I need. Customizable and even has a resonant frequency detector. Someday I'll upgrade to Pro-Q3, maybe if Fabfilter has a crazy Black Friday sale. We will see...

Fabfilter has the Volcano plug which has distortion modes in it. More creative but can be used subtle easily

Great comparison! I've got both and agree 100% with your assessment.

ToneBoosters EQ is also great! The best value on the market IMHO.

very helpful! I went ahead and tried Kirkoff and to be honest there is too much going on and I an a simple type of dude so stay with pro Q ! Thanks

Did the new Plugin-Alliance version add saturation/circuit emulation for the EQ models? Asking because they previously only modeled the EQ curve but it was still the same clean, linear EQ.

Does it have External spectrum visualization to layer up and work with other eqs? Pro q 3 can do one other instance as can most stock daw eqs, voxengo span plus can do multiple layers but on demo I couldn't find that function in Kirchoff but maybe I missed it?

Do you have some thoughts on Pro-Q3 vs Shade Eq from UVI ? Shade seems way more versatile (randomisation option for example) but here's no linear mode and I find it a bit less transparent. Am I imagining it ?

Nice video as always man. Regarding "When Pro q got a dynamic Eq function the others rushed to do it too" lets not forget Tdr Nova which not only is Parallel like the new Pulsar 8200 but also Dynamic with Attack and Release settings for a looong time before Pro q3. I believe it was 2014 0r 2015 I find it by far the most value for money even if I have shifted my workflow towards Pro q3 I the last years

I luv fab filter plug-ins, for me the best of the industry

I like Kirchoff more then ProQ. Its much cleaner and less phasing, and my ears are over sensitive to phasing so Kirchoff is a big win! But yea ProQ is awesome too! But if i had to pick one its very clear. And man the Dynamic EQ on Kirchoff is perfect. 😊

I have a quesiton about the noisefloor one. I may be wrong on it, just let me know. If every one of a pro q3 has -175 db noise, does that mean two pro q 3 will boost that noise to -169( 6db louder) Then in a large mix when we have over 40-60 audio tracks, do we time that with 20 30 as the factor? That maens we end up with audible noise in our mix?

I like Pro Q 3 but I LOVE Kirchhoff EQ, been using it since release (not the PA version)

The Toneboosters EQ 4 is very easy to use and have most of the things you need from Pro Q3 without breaking the band. Check it out before pulling the trigger on either of these EQs.

Kirchoff doesn't emulate differents eqs...only the bands curves.

It blows my mind how many producers and sound engineers get super excited by any and every plugin! Missing the point completely. This plugin is vast with a variety of options to control the frequencies...but you could do that any way. Using this plugin just means you have more steps to do with it when you can achieve each aspect individually and pay attention to each stage separately to this plugin. ProQ3 still is perfect and helps me tame an individual component of a track and find a pocket for it, coupled with an SSL EQ to allow me to fit the component in the track and provide some colour to the track. Coupled with some compression+limiting etc...guys this is stuff you have already, so please don't fall for this 'this plugin is a game changer' marketing tactic. Peace!

Wow watched 5 videos now and not one person will compare the spectrum analyzers and say if Kirchhoff has the spectrum freeze feature or not, which is super useful.

Sonnox Claro is my clean eq as of right now, and MAutoDynamic for Dynamic EQ ...looking for my 'Surgical EQ' and might get the Kirchoff with all those bells and whistles...

I feel like the most important thing was glossed over, which is the sound.. would love to see and hear a side by side audio example.

I have both. When I don't think about it, I grab the PRO-Q3. Just out of a habit. But there is one thing I really enjoy on the Kirchhof. The low cut and high cut slope settings are not fixed like on the PRO-Q3. Well they are, but not when you use the second knob beside the slope knob. And to be honest... that can give better (more natural) results. I also did a comparison on how both eq's sound. And I did like the sound of the Kirchhof a little bit more. But I will repeat that comparison once more. I hope fabfilter will strike back with PRO-Q4. Did not realized it was released 5 years ago already 🤔

Is there a masking function on the Kirchoff EQ like the pro Q3? Can’t find that anywhere.

What if your mixing 125 tracks and put the Pro Q on everything? The noise might build up and be audible, I dunno.

Pro-Q + Infinity EQ + TDR Nova 🤩

pro q-3 all the way, i dont need any gimmicks. if i need neve or ssl sound eq ill just use neve or ssl eq. pro q is the king

Let me give you some Info from the test I did with this plugin. I selected an EQ point and applied to be a SIDE Bell. When I select only this part (to solo it to monitor only this side node) to check inside Voxengo SPAN PLUS, I noticed something I did not like at all. First, the sound gets MONO by soloing it, it is not suppose to sound MONO because, the part of the EQ I want to listen is a SIDE node and must sound only at the sides, with a wide phase issue, Voxengo shows me a green plasma wave indicating all is OK without showing me any red information telling me that the sound is gone to the sides and a warning for me to let me know, that there is strong a phase issue! I say this because I know Voxengo very good and I know how it works with any other EQ like Stage Digital Inf or Fab EQ3, by saying this I felt really very disappointing that this EQ does not work as it is suppose to behave, it outputs a wrong information easily captured by Voxengo, maybe I have done something wrong inside Kirsch but, I don´t think so, I have a playback from different tracks in Stereo and Voxengo must tell me all concerning about any change I do in any EQ plugin and the INFO I get from Kirsch is really very wrong and made me feel about this plugin not to use it at all, I don´t think this EQ is useful based on what I said! For those who know the importance to use Voxengo in the master output (to check the MONO compatibility of a mix and the side energy inside a song) will understand what I tried to explain here with my post! Let me know if I did something wrong and correct me if it is the case, greetings from Germany and as always, great videos you produce! Thank you. ps. if you wish, I can make a video to show you what I mean in case you don´t get my point, yes? :-)

I found kirchoff a bit hard to use. Which leads to wasting a precious amount of time when using it. I like the dynamics section though….in comparison to proq3 which is very fast and intuitive. When I reach for digital eq I end up with Infinity eq from slate which is far more easy to use as I dont have proq3. Can’t wait for slate to finally release a version with dynamics in it. Im thriving to use kirchoff yet….

If case if it's not clear, The Pro-Q3 came out AFTER Kirchoff EQ has.

FL stock EQ with custom presets saved for the win 🏆

I still prefer TDR Nova to be honest, and unlike those Dynamic EQs, it's Parallel, not Serial, so works better for my use cases :)

Claro > Pro Q3 . Got it on this November sale, its the best eq out there.

With FF proQ I can have a fast workflow with good results. Too many options of Kirchhoff-EQ would distract me only, too many possible decisions. ProQ dynamic eq works fine, there is also TDR Nova which has more options and works great and is even free. I like your video. Thanks :)

In reality, Pro Q3 is still valuable compared to Kirchhoff (even though I went with the latter). For Kirchhoff to be the definitive digital EQ on the market, it still needs 3 major functions: - Static Match EQ (like Pro Q3) and Dynamic Match EQ (like TDR Nova GE); - Frequency visualization of conflicting areas between 2 or more signals (like Pro Q3); - Static and Dynamic processing of Transient and Tonal frequency content (like Eventide Split EQ). If those 3 major functions will be implemented in Kirchhoff 2.0, it's game over.

Does Kirchoof Eq have the EQ match option?

And again Toneboosters EQ is ignored...... I find the dynamic settings in Pro-Q is very clunky and TB already fixed this 3 years ago. Thanks for this review anyway.

YEP!

I really want to love Pro Q3 alternatives, but there's no faster and to the point workflow than that

When someone asks me what is the the best XYZ plugin... My answer is "the one that you own and know" I love Fabfilter stuff simply cuz I'm owning it over 15 years and I know it inside and out same as my hardware stuff. If I was starting from complete 0... I'd go for Tokyo Dawn plugins for price and performance and possibly klanghelm for some colorful stuff. Acoustica is great too sound wise... But lately I feel like they r underperforming on cpu to sound quality compared to other vst developers.

Option Paralysis: The EQ

Equilibrium is better even has an analogue option in the back settings

the best ever digital EQ is Weiss EQ1 period.

Pro-Q4 will have all this plus Soothe + Gullfoss + SmartEQ + SplitEQ built in. Dreaming is free. 😪😪

Regarding your comment on fonts being a fixed size, and not scaling, if you go into settings, GUI tab, then turn on "Use Vector Font" and restart your host DAW, the font size scales when you change the plugin default view size to 150% So this criticism isn't really valid, you didn't turn on the option for the plugin to do this

Pro Q3 is good enough. Just Waiting for pro Q4

I have Kirchhof and Q3 Theo are both absolutely top products. I still prefer the Q3. his workflow alone is just so good. But I also have to say that at the moment I'm more and more preferring the SSL X-EQ2, it's not that comfortable and doesn't have a dynamic band, but it just sounds so loving!!!

Bijna five years old! 😊

kirchhoff need armonic distortion on eq emulations

Eventides Split?

How can it be cleaner when it nulls perfectly with pro Q3? Dan Worral proved it, down to -180db absolute zero null? I don't believe you.

Just the fact that they ripped off pro q3 GUI annoys me

Kirchoff is pro q + FL studio parametric EQ 2

Pro Q 10 ladies & gentlemen

You should have turned on the subtitles switch

Pro q is taxing on cpu

how does the wiess softube compare to this bad boy?? anyone??

Justifying purchasing a fab product?

Fabfilter bias is pretty blatant here. Splitting all kinds of hairs, grasping at all kinds of straws to justify not acknowledging the Kirchoff has it beaten hands down. Agree that the noisefloor is irrelevant, but all the other issues mentioned here really are edge cases that don't affect me or the vast majority of users. The only thing I wish Kirchoff had is support for eq graph on the track view in Pro Tools, but even then that's a pretty minor gripe. Also, I think the point about doing dynamics (I noted the workflow example was broadband) at a different stage is fairly inane - the vast majority of EQ I do is at the problem-solving stage wherein the ability to focus that (spectral correction) dynamically is invaluable; polish is often the later job of saturation or other box-tone introducing plugins.

It's 'bijna' 5 years old. :-)

It's bijna 5 years old... 🙂 btw, I love the Kirchhoff EQ way more than Fabfilter Pro-Q3.

Yeah Im just whelmed with the Kirchoff. Tons of features won't make your music better.

Fabfilter every time

Performance wise? No. Pro Q is much faster and more responsive

TBTech Kirchoff EQ has the WORST account set up and managment system ever. I'd love to try it but it got me beat.

''Bijna" 5 years old? haha

The king is the one with the lowest CPU usage. If it's a hungry boy, it's out the window.

To me this Kirchhoff is a gimmick and a gimmick. Emulations are only replicate curves of analog EQs, not something I’d want from digital EQ. 117 thing does not make any difference. Split linear phase is… do you really care about phase above x hz? Me not. But only 2x oversampling is an issue. And all this advanced compressor controls in EQ? I have MB compressor for it. I usually watch tons of music production videos on RU-vid instead of working 😂. However, I haven’t seen any one on RU-vid using this EQ yet. This tells a lot.

Spoiler alert: No it's not. It's been measured.

All this talk about features, design, etc..... not a word about how it sounds. Unbelievable. Nobody, it seems, dares to talk about the one thing that matters more than anything else... the sound. Is there a single video that will just do some sweeps with no talking?

yes Kirchhoff is def better

BS. The noise floor is not below human reception, it is with 24bit resolution not there.