I think a “Character Preference” system would be nice. In the main lobby you can have a option/screen to choose a character on both family and victim side. Queuing up will get you in lobby where you are the first person to get that character
With that design you'll just end up having huge queue times for the most popular "new" characters or overpowered characters with unnerfed abilities. Realistically they just need to have a dice roll mechanic for people picking the same characters and then locking players into playing that role. You should have to pick your order of preference, then once in the game lobby it does a dice roll for each matching player and chooses their alternate if they lose the roll. If you back out you get penalized with a 15 minute temp ban like bhvr does to keep people from constantly disconnecting. The more you do it the longer the duration. Allowing players to queue dodge with no punishment creates a bad matchmaking environment.
They should have a timeout penalty for people who get out of lobbies. I don’t really care who I am. Certainly not enough to keep leaving and spend a ton of time trying for a character. Just ready up assholes.
The pricing is stupid but the biggest problem with this game is the lobby dodging. And the pay to win aspect of the ten dollar characters is going to make it worse. They gotta fix that problem.
Nah the game will be dead with having people pay for new characters Im already having to wait almost ten minutes just for a match to start, it’s really irritating
I agree with you about prices and the whole fuse box change. The devs and Gun said they wanted the game to be fun and not competitive. Well it’s not fun when one side consistently destroys the other. And that’s the direction it’s heading. It’s sad cause the game itself had so much going for it. The idea was great but the execution is looking more and more like a total flop.
The prices seem like they don't see it lasting a long time and just trying to get as much money as they can. After Evil Dead The Game (its untimely demise) I'm hesitant to support these prices. However, EDTG also gave us more in their DLC for the prices. As much as I love this game, I just can't support these prices. Not even an OPTIONAL bundle for those of us that play both sides. I won't even THINK about buying ANYTHING until crossplay is back. Kind of surprised about your fuse box take. The change of being able to turn it off hasn't made a difference in any of my games (even family house). They've been able to turn it on and still escape, making body blocking still better. They can also just flip it right back on again since it's not closing up.
My suggestion to deal with lobby dodging when new characters come out and the current no one wants to play Bubba problem is simple. Have seperate queues ...... you queue up as the Character you want to play and are garanteed that Character. If you are not bothered which character you play then pick a character that you have noticed has the shortest queue times. To anyone that says it will make queue times huge for certain characters ..... I say more of my time is wasted waiting for backfill then waiting to spawn into a lobby.
All that’s doing is creating an even bigger problem lmao ur separate lobbies instead of bringing them together, that’s not a simple fix, no offense but that’s a terrible fix, most would jus queue up for Connie or Ana idk an that’ll separate way to many ppl,bc it still wouldn’t fix the no bubba issue as well
You are 100% right. I've stopped playing because I am sick and tired of sitting in the lobby and hoping to play a game. I have 130 hours in the game and i guarantee you that 70 of those hours are just sitting in the lobby. I'm over that. I started the game playing with 3 different groups of friends since we could not all play together and now no one is playing. That's about 15 people that stopped playing because you rarely play the game. It's only going to get worse. I am not buying content until they make major changes for the health of the game. It's in serious trouble and they know it.
I have an idea that would help lobby dodging but it won't solve it. Bubba is the first character I ranked up all the way. I don't mind playing him and I don't mind taking my turn to play him. If they would let me take the match experience I earn and apply it to any other character I want I would be more likely to keep playing as Bubba. Same thing on the victim side.
Totally this. Some way to take those few thousand XP points and use them on a different characters perks at will. If they're not going to make Bubba fun to play as, then at least make using him worth while.
Game is dying pretty quick on PC with the removal of crossplay. They dont seem to care to bring it back anytime soon. That and the addition of all these microtransactions for characters, I'll find another game to play.
Sledge, let me explain what happened with VHS: At the very very top it was Teen sided. It was too easy to setup ambushes and win. The bulk of the Monster playerbase, quit. Now, because of that the top teams were crushing even weaker Monster players, and they quit. Then the queue times got longer, and the top end skill Teens quit. So what you had left were a very small handful of Monster players that were really good that survived the culling, and they were demolishing Teens so badly that you were waiting 14 minutes for a game where you spend 10 minutes dead, just floating around collecting Luma and not even playing the game. Then you'd queue back up and do it again. In short: New Monsters got dunked on. New Teens got to play for one minute for every 7 they waited. Player base tanked to 200. Game died.
Similar, but Evil Dead had a completely different problem. Solo Queue was unplayable. If someone dies in TCM, oh well. If someone dies in Evil Dead, the demon player gets loads of XP. Bad or non-cooperative teammates were feeding demons, and it was common for Solo Queue games to have demons at level 30 in ten minutes because of it. Only skilled premades had any chance. @@Athenabutt
The game is in trouble because matches can’t really be balanced. Family takes way more coordination than victim does. Victims are stronger most of the matches since 3 random killers don’t even patrol all the doors. At high level, family patrols and comms give family a much better chance on two maps. There’s no way to balance this. People NEED comms to patrol. Other asyms don’t really NEED comms (besides evolve). Game is relatively balanced when both sides are on comms but aren’t partied.
I can kinda justify the Nicotero Leatherface bundle, since it's a 3rd party collaboration, in which they split the profit between gun media and greg nicotero. As for the other dlc, if there's no alternative way to unlock characters, the price is WAY too inflated. Most new multiplayer games have a paid path and a free path to unlock new characters. This is especially important for TCM where character selection matters. Not only does this alienate players who can't afford the dlc, it's gonna make lobby dodging even worse than it is now, as no one is gonna spend $10 and not play the character. Gun really needs to reconsider this or it will permanently blemish an otherwise fantastic game.
I'm not a fan of the pricing, but the biggest turn-off for me right now is the dev going wild on the subreddit. Super unprofessional. He's now given legitimacy to some crackpot theories solely by being SO involved in the discussion about it, and in such a way that I don't expect or wish to see from someone who I imagine should have more decorum. I get he's dealing with some absolutely degenerate people, but it doesn't matter. And it won't matter to whoever is signing the checks either. When acting as a face, whether intentionally or not, for a service, you are supposed to hold yourself to a higher standard than he has been. No clue why he even responded to some of the allegations. The man needs some PR training for sure.
You need to be able to lock in your character at main menu before the matchmaking begins. This will make queue times longer but at the same time prevent dodging, so the time may even out
I’ve played both sides equally and here’s my take on the stun immunity, for the victims that don’t exploit the door slams and backstabs it’s brutal to get a killer off your tail Atleast without it if I had someone like hitchhiker with scout chasing me I can keep slamming a door on him to keep him away from me, I had a game where as Leland I stunned hitch 12 times in the basement and still couldn’t shake him and ended up dying due to hitting him with a door and as I’m running he’s right back on me due to running scout and couldn’t use my ability on him due to the immunity and ended up dying, I see why they added it but I feel 10 seconds is a tad bit too long, now as a leatherface main I really like it so people can’t bully me as much but there’s easy ways to counter the bullying
Hear me out, if the greg nicotero bubba was a ACTUAL BUBBA, i wouldnt mind spending $15-$20 on a actual playable variant of bubba (like friday the 13th with jason variants) that was made by a icon in horror is fine. $15 for a cosmetic is wild af. Im ok with paying top dollar, but development teams have to understand that with top dollar, comes top effort. Ask fromsoftware and rockstar
In my honest opinion, you can make a cosmetic whatever arbitrary price you want to make it. If it has no impact on gameplay, then i don't care. But once you expect me to pay 10 dollars for a character that has a chance as being just straight up better than someone else and there's a high likelihood i won't even be able to play that character when I load into the lobby in most of my games? No. That's where I draw the line. And on top of that, unless there's some way to remove a requirement to make some play Leatherface, there will be even less people that want to play him the more family members we get
It's a fun game don't get me wrong, but I'm only like player level 20ish and I'm burnt out on how little there is in the game already. I can only play the same map and different survivors or killers so many times without getting bored. I'm at the point where the only reason I play it is because some of my online friends do. I just wish there was a bit more content because when it's fun, it's fun. You're 100% right about the whole ordeal. The lobby dodging or hostage-holding issue is awful and will only get worse over time with the new characters. My friend plays on PS4 and so a majority of us play on that version with him and it already takes 20 minutes just to get into a proper lobby since everyone is dead set on playing their favorites (especially at this point). It's come to a point where most of us are just down to play something else at this point, which sucks because this game really scratches a certain itch lol.
On gas station it's not that unusual to escape within the fuse's 30 seconds cooldown, and even if you can't make it is still a strong distraction - LF usually has to go body block the exit and/or someone needs to camp the fuse to disable it, so you can focus on other objective.
I think gun should make it so that before you go into a lobby it asks you what character you wanna play and then you go into a lobby that needs the character you chose
I must have gotten super unlucky with the new fuze mechanic. On family house they turned on the fuzebox and me and a buddy were immediately there and it said cooldown…. By the time we could close the exit 3 people had left.
The game went straight downhill when they disabled crossplay and broke up friend groups because a few people cried about hackers. The $10 a character for the chance to play them is just the cherry on top, and yet some people still defend it.
cosmetic based things are whatever, but paywall blocked characters that you may not be able to play in game if you're not first in the lobby?? makes no sense, everyone will want to play the new characters and so many wont be able to.
Can I find where that exchange happened involving the perk tree? Just one of those things that I can believe it but I also wanna see it with my own two eyes cause I don't want to believe it.
Might just be 3 straight years of dbd but after 80 hours on release weekend I haven't even booted this game back up there's just not alot of staying power or interest left for me. Also feel the lack of maps is huge.
If the 10 dollars for characters were for all that come out I would be okay with that, but 10 for each is not great. And there is still that issue of people not playing leatherface. I didnt have much interest in him and still dont, but will occasionally play him when no one else will be him. One thing i think that they could improve is the fact that he feels really shitty to play as until you get his ability and good perks upgraded to lvl. 3. Once you do so, he is obviously the strongest family member since he can quite literally one-shot anyone who isnt Ana or has no sell. As other killers, i still feel more impactful with no lvls or exp at base, but bubba just does not feel that good to play starting out cause just about anything can stall his saw. The fusebox nerf really sucks especially as the person who turns it on because i have yet to make it out after being the one to turn it on since the update on any map. i think the only guarantee that that the person who turns on fuse box that can make it before fam can turn it off is the spawn on gas station in the back of the shed since there are the 2 good wells there.
Most players have become accustomed to one character costing around 2.50 or 5 dollars because auric cell cost and sometimes they go on sale depending on how old the content happens to be. However they spend upwards of 15 on legendary skins (not my preference), but at least with that monetization structure the abilities aren't so pay to win. I think you're right with characters costing less and skins being optional at a higher price. Otherwise people will just migrate to other games that aren't so paywalled. Paywalls do have an impact, especially if a game is in it's infancy.
Theres quite a few changes that can help. The obvious is implementing a way to smooth out matchmaking. Maybe a priority search queue for those who have timed out on a match starting? The game is very killer sided right now, especially with move speed bonus perks. Its already difficult enough to lose them, but a hitchhiker who can move through crawl spaces faster AND has a base speed that's faster? It's too much, especially when perks like TaeKwonDoor got nerfed for survivors. If survivors need to rely on teamwork, how can you protect a survivor working on battery if there's a hit immunity for killers? Family house: the addition of a gate on the side of house, where ladder is, would balance it a bit more for survivors. House is too clustered for survivors to stand a chance. Hitchhiker and cook are the Meta for killers right now, because of how much pressure their gadgets apply. Switching them to only having two of their gadgets each, or allowing survivors to carry 3 pieces of equipment, might balance things. Lastly, family endurance should be individual, not shared amongst the entire family. It seems like family never runs out of stamina. Cooks hearing definitely needs to be nerfed. Hearing across the map and pinging for the entire team is too much. If the game is about communication, cook should have to communicate where the survivor is, not show with a ping. It's bs when you're crouch walking and he STILL keeps pinging you. How does a survivor stand a chance without a counter UAV??
This is all going to depend on how good the dlc is. If they are smart make the dlc free for the first 24 - 48 hours so people can get hyped. DBD does it with their public test builds, but for this game that would t work so a short trial period I think would get more people to buy and you would see prices go down
I can't even get into a match as victim and often have to lobby hop just to get a match with three killers. So, I see paying for DLC content as a high risk gamble that you may never even get to use. Off topic, but the disparity between victim and killer XP gains is absurd. Even if all victims are killed, victims rarely leave a match without at least 1,500 XP. I feel fortunate to hit that amount with any other killer than Leatherface at the end of the match.
I knew this game was honestly in trouble when from the initial beta test when the lead Dev was bashing people on Twitter for constructive criticism. This is literally Evil Dead The Game all over again, very similiar mistakes especially Devs just being tone deaf to the community and won't budge on things. This monetization is definitely them trying to recoup the loses but it's going to make the player count drop even quicker.
How are you ever going to get in a match when the new character’s come out it’s already hard someone pays $10 you’re going to want to play as that character the lobby is the worst in this game
Games like Overwatch and Rainbow Six Siege will at the very least attach the new character with a battle pass (even if it's mid) and offer the opportunity to grind out the character via challenges in game after a couple of weeks Release Black Nancy/Danny alongside Junkyard for free and just start dropping premium skins for all Victims/Family to buy Gaming community has proven time and time again they will buy skins if they are good EDIT - As someone who maxed out Victims before maxing out Family.. Victims you can escape solo queue no comms no problem.. Family you pretty much need to have your comms on against experienced Victim players.
As far as the balance. I would disagree on the maps. Gas station can change depending on spawns like you said, so I would say that one is pretty neutral. Also yes, the fuse can be turned off, but depending on what you consider a "win", I think it's still an improvement. Personally, I consider 2 kills 2 escapes to be the tie. And anything over/under that is a win for the respective team. Some players are way different in their thinking. Some family players will lose their minds if 1 victim escapes. Some victim players will be mad if one of them is killed. You don't need a complete victory for a win on either side. That's why i think the fuse box is fine. If one player sacrifices themselves to turn on the fuse, but two others escape, then that's a net positive in my mind as a victim. Especially if they do something to address the previous family alternative of body blocking the exit.
@@thedrogba246 yeah see. If people think like that, then the balance is definitely victim sided. So before balance is discussed, we need to know what a win, loss and tie are in this game.
Yeah I agree. With the spoilers you mentioned, it will be just another Pay To Win experience which is behind a game that is already $40 to begin with. I loved this game the first couple weeks. Played with my wife non stop for those 2 weeks, but I play on PC and her on Xbox. So with cross-play gone and the initial "couple weeks" long gone and no timeline in sight, I just don't see this lasting too much longer, which is a shame because it was a blast to play
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I uninstalled when I had a game where some victim kept opening and closing a door and I literally couldn't do anything to get them. I somehow managed to get 4 or 5 hits on her as leatherface and she just would not die, actually trash. thanks for the builds tho it was fun while it lasted, one of the only non clickbait channels.
I’ve said this 100 times already. Just make the characters free by completing a grind challenge AND allowing people to instantly buy characters. That way it keeps people playing. People who want instant access can pay for their characters and then they can’t be upset since they know they will have a chance to play with that character before buying.
it’s just the fact paying that & waiting to get a chance to play as that character unless they drop two new family two new survivors or something it’s an issue
Let people que up as the character they want. It will probably be a much longer wait to play Sissy than Leatherface, but deciding if the wait is worth it is up to the player.
Respect Sledge, imo it would be ultimately cool if Bubba Nicotero skin is ltd edition where it’s only available for a small amount of time…thus gives a consumer more inspiration to shell out $16 That said, I’d spec that due to TCM being free on game pass, that’s why they’re charging more ….they have to make money somehow right? 🤷🏻♂️ Cheers 🙌🏼
Overpriced skins or not, Leatherface's chainsaw is still affected by the stupid Grandpa cutscene, it still burns out after attacking, and Leatherface's hitbox is still very small. Also, there seems to be more game crashes after people disconnect mid-game. Games should start after people ready-up, instead of waiting for one person for 2 minutes. Having Leatherface mandatory to start a match is killing the game. I spend more time waiting for a game to connect and sitting in a lobby than I do playing.
How about give Johnny the ability to destroy barriers, like Leatherface? But I know the devs won't do anything if it costs them money. Devs are notorious for having nothing but contempt for the players and they HATE it when players have better ideas. They'll spitefully let the game fail.
People paid 50-200 dollars for accounts with savini Jason. You had to donate a certain amount of money during the devolving stages of the Friday the 13th the game I believe it was around 200 or something so it was way more than the Nicotero Leather face skin. I believe it to be a reasonable price because at the end of the day you don’t have to buy it, it is only cosmetic and is way cheaper than savini Jason ever was. The 10.99 for new charters though is very steep and too much because that new killers ability is very useful and strong so it’s a pay to win situation. You’re also not even guaranteed to play that character every match which makes the idea worse.
Hey sledge completely agree with your notes. I don't care about the pricing much, provided it is decently made. As for the leak, yeah, a shame, I too think it would ruin the game.
$10 dollars per character is dumb make both victim and family member for $10 and it's fine as long as it goes in sale often. and about nicotero bundle I think it's fine, i'm going to buy it since I like it.
I like the gameplay and physics I just think they need more maps and I don’t think it feels rewarding enough when you escape. I only have 21 hrs and I’m already bored of it.
I really don't want this game to die. I have more fun with it than DBD. I wish they would realize their position in "humble beginnings" and not charge such absurd prices.
Looking back at this video almost 5 months later, and in the context of all the issues the game is currently facing now, AND the fact that Sledge hasn’t uploaded anything in 3 months, I have to wonder if he has lost interest in the game due to all the problems plaguing the game right now. It wouldn’t surprise me if he did.
Im horrible at leatherface so i lobby dodge i hate that you need a leatherface. I eould be upset if i pay $10 for a character and im still forced to play leatherface or wait 30 mins for a 6min game.
The leaked ability is the definition of pay to win. They should probably go with a model where they release a bunch of cosmetics that are paid for and hand out maps and characters for free. If the cosmetics are frequent and cool people will buy them and it won't hurt the overall health of the game. If we see this game go free on Epic or PS+ within another eight months then we will know that it is dead.
Premium content like IP skins and such are okay to market, but with a proper price. It’s honestly horrible that they put New characters locked behind a paywall. What an instant way to divide your fanbase and cause players to walk away. Players who are just barely hanging on will move on to something new or go back to an older title. It doesn’t help that the most lazy cosmetic packs, the same skin recolored 5 times, is 5 dollars. That should not exceed $3. First DLC should be a massive impression on the player base. Something that makes them realize you care. The first DLC should’ve included with a new map. People are already getting bored of the 3 maps we have. Especially, when 2 of those maps have major balancing problems for both sides. I really enjoy the game. Still find the gameplay entertaining. The direction and marketing decision are killing it. I could care less for cosmetics, as long as they push genuine content and balance further. Even lobbies still have problems that can be slightly adjusted for quicker matchmaking. Conversation on the perk system. To me it is completely fine. You respec, pick a path, and have to work with the good and the bad. Yes, some paths are way more used than others, but I find it completely fine. As I don’t really swap perks anyways. Complaining the family is to OP is cringe cause that’s the asymmetrical element. Survivors in this have it the best, as a few perks are way to OP. It doesn’t help that some maps have such easy escapes. I actually find myself working way more individually and as a team on the family side. When I play survivor, rarely stress or work with the team as a solo queue. I focus on myself and manage to escape 80%-90% of my matches. As stamina perks drag chases and certain characters abilities make escaping so easy. Granted, I play way more stealth than the normal player. I rarely rush objectives as I like to plan accordingly and time my events. The change to fuse box is completely fine as it is now. People still manage to escape before the family turns it off. If they time it right and are dead set to rush the exit. I feel like it is a proper 50/50 choice. Yes, bringing in paid characters that can alter gameplay like the fox is pretty bad.
Charge more? You directly said it is a skin with a weapon and an execution. The price of those three things separately add up to the price of the bundle (6.99 + 4.99 + 4.99 = about 16.99). Not a higher cost just no discount for being bundled.
agree with you 110000% with the financial stuff but its rly not that hard to escape man, i do every 4 rounds and i play solo no comms and im not that great tbh :P i noticed that the varying builds help a lot, even vale on family house isnt that hard to get to and its arguably the most annoying exit on that map. back exit is rly easy on family and so is genny/driveway. Gas station is a breeze, valve fuse and both exits r pretty easy. slaughter house obviously is rly easy to leave bc downstairs valve and rear exit.. Try some different tactics or play more family to get a better feel. the game is killer sided but i like that bc it makes way more tension and ur right makes it different than other games, needs balancing on some things for sure but its not impossible to escape on family like you were making it seem
me and my buddies are always 3 stacked family and yes I can confirm if we all do our job on slaughter or gas station (cook and hitchhiker) we always get 3 or more. And if it’s family house we never lose.
Personally I think this game is terrible, I paid for it (PS4) and will not give them a penny more. This game pissed me off so much that I will never buy another game at launch. The reasons myself and my friends stopped playing are the lobbies took forever, not enough areas, no offline play and the damn leveling up. The leveling up is ridiculous, having to level up yourself and each character along with the stupid load out is the worst I have ever seen in a game. If they would create an offline mode where you could level up and apply it where you want then maybe I would reinstall the game and give it another try.
This is actually crazy been loving this game to been playing since it camw out this is going to turn into pay to win characters should be free cosmetics pay for
I would like to have different builds in the perk tree's. I would like you can make multipile builds for 1 victim or killer this repeatable specing is not really fun.
This game could be really good, but questionable decisions and poor quality control are really holding this game back. Mutually exclusive character selection and Leatherface always being required are great for thematic reasons, but this is a game first and foremost, and the gameplay experience is suffering due to these decisions. Even having the ability to funnel XP to character you aren't actively playing would go miles towards encouraging players to try out and stick with characters they don't otherwise use.
The prices for each character being 10$ is ridiculous ontop of we are going to be approaching 2 months with no new added content soon. If they make the characters you have to buy OP asf as well? Easily pay 2 win. They will easily terminate the already dying fanbase sadly.
I already uninstalled, this game has just gotten so stale, there is no variety in gameplay, and im tired of waiting in lobbies. This is just the cherry on top.
I’m starting to see less Connie players do y’all think they did to much if u got a good family then oof my Leland still a 🐐 but it’s annoying what they but oh I hope this will still last I love it but Friday 13th was the best I just hope they don’t mess up the game with giving to much stun like they did Jason on Friday that’s when I left that game over 2k hours and about 300 for TCM
As far as the game being family sided. It is based on a movie series that doesn't have people escaping left and right. One person survives the original. So as far as game standards it's not on pare with what you may expect but as far as the story it's built on, it's faithful. The "bad guys" should have the advantage by TCM standards.
I dont think its terrible cause with that terrible dbd game you're forced to pay 20 per dlc cause you pay for the survivor and killer. I dont want to play victim in the first place so it works for me. Matt Shota developed the perk system and is aware of the perk issue that some are far better than others. My assumption is they will be fixing that in the past quarter of the year.
I understand the $10 per character but you could still make a cheaper bundle for those who wanted both. In addition to this the option for a “season pass” could also be really good. I love this game and would be willing to pay at most $60 on a season pass if it was to guarantee I’d receive all future content or at least a years worth of content
Good luck paying ten dollars for a character you're not even going to pay 90% of the Time. Because the game should be called Texas chainsaw massacre lobby sitting because most of the game is in the lobby waiting or watching people fight over a character.
I don’t even care because the cosmetics are optional and most companies will charge upmost of 20$ dollars at the very least for a single skin, and either the 10$ characters I can see the issue with that but at the same time I feel most players either play one side or the other so it’s not like their obligated to buy both characters for 20$, they’re most likely just gonna buy the new character for whatever side they main. Idk this is just my perspective
I learned my lesson with these video games. Games stopped being fun because of greedy companies. No thanks I have more fun creating edits than playing these overpriced games
I think that the toxic players will stay and keep it alive because it is better than dbd and they won't stay in their own game. Soon there will be nothing but toxicity and no real players left
