Is There A Powercreep Problem? | Honkai: Star Rail 

38:05 My neutral tldr: powercreep exists, but not by a single unit, more specifically the super break team. I personally define powercreep as: If X does the same thing as Y but better/easier, then X powercrept Y. Doesn’t matter if X can still clear content; I will not, in good faith, recommend new players to pull for old team comps instead of superbreak. This is considering endgame content (MOC/AS/PF) only, no waifu factors. When an old team can’t clear content in HSR, then it’s not about powercreep anymore, it’s going to the territory of actual p2w (and I hope it never gets there). A new player starting out in 2.3 RIGHT NOW have an infinitely easier time clearing endgame with ruanmei/firefly/superbreak compared to 1.x units/team comps. Free weakness implant, free HMC, free gallagher (which I believe EVERYONE should invest in), easy to obtain relics, no sig LC demand, all while dealing NUCLEAR damage with exception to toughness lock, and even THAT isn’t game breaking (superbreak can still beat Sam albeit more uncomfortable. Trotter OP though) Whether mihoyo nerf super break next time by making a new meta (toughness lock), we don’t know, but as of right now super break is OBJECTIVELY a comp that powercrept any other previous comps, investment for investment (be it relics or units/eidolons). Leave your thoughts below

People just use the wrong term for the situation. There is no powercreep in the sense that older units “cannot” clear anymore. They still definitely can. Its just that new units have significantly higher floors compared to old ones. Thats all

As a SW E1 with her event LC haver, I approved that she is a totally different unit than her E0S0. Basically from 4 turn Ult to 2 Turn Ult. Combine them with wind set. Boom, Insane. And the thing is, I'm not talking about her kit to implant weakness, but her debuff man, no one beat her. Def shred 45% + 8% from ult and talent. 10% + 3% All type res reduction. And ofc 20% element res reduction from implant. Yes she's is bad on pure fiction due to enemies keep changing, but she's super good on MoC and AS because even though there could be several unit on both of these mode, you only need to focus on 1 or 2 enemy only. And ofc you can pair her with Pela to achieve more than 100% def reduction.

Most people saying "old characters still clear" fail to realize that the literal definition of power creep is same result for much less effort which is exactly what is happening with every new character released recently. Saying "its just acheron and firefly" is so funny because they are the only dedicated dps in 2.x and they were miles better than what we had. Its not like we got other characters that were less overpowered. This pattern will not go away in the future.

Do people really believe that, ON AVERAGE, Year 2 units aren’t stronger, have more mechanics, have higher damage ceilings/floors, easier to play with lower investment etc than Year 1 or Launch units?

After watching both videos, I definitely like your TLDR of powercreep which is simply making something that is already not hard to do even easier. Personally i think the Hoyo games stimulus package brought it so many new players to gacha games that we forgot the dark days where powercreep was and in some cases of games that come out only to EOS shortly after or ride that fine line because they will release a unit with content that can literally only be cleared by said premium units (like current brave exvius for example).

Tectone always says that he wants the game to be challenging, but the moment it is inconvenient to him, he's saying its a powercreep and you need every new mechanic in the game to clear it. All i can say is, im a low spender (express pass only for a month now), cleared all endgame 3* no issue at all (tons of people did it too), and you just have massive skill issue on every games you play.

Ya'll just need to ignore Tectone. The guy absolutely sucks at every game. He has no idea what he's doing and what he's talking about.

40 mins of yap. Another classic from MrPokke

Managed to clear AS on a 100% F2P account without using Ruan Mei, Acheron, Firefly, Boothill, E2 Dhil, Silverwolf, Aventurine, and Gallagher. So yea, I can vouch for Iyo’s take.

Let’s get MrPokke to watch a legend named Zmm. He literally beating all the modes without any pulling (Only E0-E1 4* Units). That could totally answered the question if old characters doesn’t works anymore.(I won’t use the word powercrept in this case)

Powercreep does exist, a low investment Acheron or Firefly without Ruanmei will still beat the shit out of Seele. But i respect those who uses Yanqing to clear moc 12 that is fking insane 😂 there is a video on that

Powercreep doesn’t exists when I’ve set my expectations low nowadays and am fine if I don’t clear the last floors of the end game. 🗿

Your account review with Xethrion was actually very insightful and he has a great take about powercreep in HSR. Powercreep in HSR is gonna be more noticeable since it is one of the few ways for people to pull characters since there's no pvp.

Correct statement: Tectone is no longer f2p plus, he is now a disciple of the gem gods 35:25

hey i pull firefly just so i can clear every endgame content more easier, idc if it a skill issue im not trying to show off how good i am by clear moc and as without using ruan mei, acheron and etc. If i can be able to bruteforce with firefly team and acheron team then i don't have to worry about anything in future

lmao that keyboard smash subtitles at the end Was struggling in AS, then just pulled E1 for my E0 RM + updated/ geared her up better = got additional 300 to 400+ more points, helped me clear max stars.

The real question is do people want to spend time building a character more than necessary to clear content or just simply pull for a stronger unit with less investment. It makes sense why people want new units rather than building one ones.

for charcters like seele they could make niche sets that improve damage something that triggers resurrgence without a kill for example. something niche enough it works for only them.

I went from e0 SW to e2 on her rerun. The difference is night and day, I would not use e0, I have seen both sides of it. you can actually ult two targets in 0 cycle with her e1. it is in another universe compared to e0.

background music at the start was: Digimon world 3 central park BGM 100% certified banger

So... Ruan Mei Star Rail. Got it

i actually did try that this MOC's floor 12 with Himeko and without Ruan Mei, using Asta instead. full rewards. Ruan Mei is a must pull but is not necessary in every run.

I actually watched a video by zmm where he cleared on an account without pulling. So he only used free characters that were available in game from events. It was really close but it was so cool I recommend watching it. Also sidenote, imo I think even if powercreep does exist, it isn't ever going to be a problem since players can just get the newer characters. I mean there are a lot of f2p players that can clear end game, myself included.

I am going to wait until next region launch. whatever place that black swan suggested.

“E2 dill e2 Acheron e2 firefly”… Me here with all 3 of those…

I really liked the point of how minimum effort cannot give max rewards. I grinded a lot on th game (except the new DU) and for that, I got a perfect firefly team, an acheron team Im working on but is good, and I can say proudly I arnd it since I really sat down and did the thinking and grinding. HSR is dependant on investment, and not only that of money, but also time and brains.

almost at 100k, insane

But the bothill and fireflye implant is just a prerequisite for them to work, they don't reduce anything with their implant like the wolf or when the enemy already has its weakness

10:16 very true RM made the meta since 1.6

This is definitely a powercreep from a meta perspective and Hoyo is capitalizing on it. Starting from patch 2.1 to 2.3 all banners are the pillars of def break.

Should link the video with full 4 star clear too.

He's OUR streamer. Get him to 100k

Powercreep only exists in what form of what MoC-Buff they bring, personally i see a few ways to build partys now be it Hypercarry, Follow up, DoT or Break, one of them will be Meta and the others will be slightly off depending on what the MoC buff it is. Its more about being able to utilize the MoC buff then to have the the biggest units. Thats why 4* teams are still able to clear cause most of those players understand how the buff works and build teams around it. Ofc the MoC buff will also always benefit the latest char that came out to make em look super strong and powerfull. As of now Xueyi Galagher and HMC are ripping through MoC, noone needs a Firefly though she makes it easy for people who arent as skilled in building chars and teams. I see all the 5* as pay for convenience units rather then must have. Ruan Mei maybe aside since she can really be used on whatever team u throw her especially with her LC.

Just started the game for 2 week-ish and definitely agreed that Ruan Mei and Firefly basically make me get through early of end game content very fast without good gears, now i need worry about 2nd team to finish all of end game content and i’m still thinking which team should be.. any suggestion? ❤

I think the greatest lie, that comes right from genshin is how "weapon banner is bad, don't pull". But in HSR, there are so many good t4 LC, it can affect a lot the account. Like, not having Luka's LC, dance dance dance or memories of the past. Even if you wait to take into account Simulated Universe free LC, you cannot forget it takes 4 weeks to get a copy, and another 4 for s5.

I myself will hold the judgment on how good firefly compared to other unit when the Turbulence or the other modes buffs doesn't favor her or break teams

the game is mostly pve, and everyone can do the most difficult contents completely F2P with proper planning and time. There is powercreep, but a game without powercreep and nobody is going to feel excited for the new characters. I would say HSR is in a pretty healthy state now, where everyone can clear all contents, but having meta characters helps a lot.

Im new and I planned to be completely f2p but because of Ruan Mei, I was kinda pushed to get the express pass to guarantee to get her.

Man do people love to make excuses when the genuinely suck at the game.

i think they just gotta make a 4star ruan mei that isnt as good as her but does essentially what she does and make her free to get initially cause it's just the lack of multiple chars that do similar things imo and as in lack of characters that do similar things i mean like bronya and sparkle. They are both 5 stars but they essentially do the same thing but then again that may decrease comp diversity.

I’m a waifu hunter. But that’s fucking funny, because in hsr I only enjoy Jingliu, Kafka, Firefly and Acheron. Maybe a couple of 4 stars. I don’t care how good they are if she cute

Anyone wondering the BG music is from the GOATED game Digimon World 2003

i feel like power creep isn't only new unit comes out and now older units are now useless. there's obviously a big enough difference between boothill acheron and firefly especially if you have ruan mei compared to other characters . and some of those teams are just way better and more future proof than your seele. it's that simple

Correction: Both boothill and Firefly are considered specialist since they are not hypercarries and can be allowed to be played both at the same time in break archetypes (DoT is like this as well), they are more of a support rather than a DPS since they're a niche amount of break characters that works well together if you put them both, just make sure HMC and RM is on the team when you put both good break characters at the same time in a roster

13:57 i clear Moc 12 using himeko too, but is more safe with Gallagher and not Boothill.

Waiting for the next Gacha Cast so we can get a nice conversation about this going :)

10:10 - 10:48 Never felt the need to pull Ruan Mei personally, it is not rough out there lol

The only power creeping issue in HSR is that its better than Genshit now

Is there powercreep? Yes. But does it reach "unplayable" or "no new characters = can't clear the highest content," as Bald Man said? NO, NOT AT ALL. And I'm going to throw out the "hot take": That won't happen in HSR. Bro, they nerfed and even REMOVED a boss from ROGUELIKE GAME MODE because 'it's still too hard.' I just want to say that you shouldn't listen too much to people who use BASIC ATTACK TWICE IN A ROW while Firefly Ultimate is active.

23:03 RM is must pull of course. SW for old players is not worth it for me But for new players with few characters could help have SW but after can be easy replace. I got SW in 1.1 , and before Acheron i was not using her. Btw Firefly and Acheron Firefly E0S0 is more easy to build than Acheron E0S0.

Why no one is talking about the background music at the beginning (after the Wii Theme) ? I need this banger please where's my hero ?

Admittedly i brute force a lot of things esp in moc as long as the enemies don’t have super high imaginary res i can get away with my ratio hyper carry (he is e0s1 but i do have e2s1 aventurine which let me to run double harmony with him) in 1 or 2 cycles clear

I still disagree that there is no power creep looking at Acheron firefly and arguably adventurine the power creep is there however the power creep is minor and not a current issue and unless something changes likely never will be There are 3 ways to play this game spend money to get who you want and get easy 3 star clears Pull for meta but that means you have to skip character that you like Or pull who you like and accept you will have to fight for 3 star clears like your on hard mode Lastly friendly reminder if you can only Get a 2 star clear on the last stage you are missing half a pull at most so just play in whatever way is the most fun for you

I consider powercreep, when a unit becomes completely obsolete. You can still clear with Blade, Luocha, and Jingyuan, so I don't consider them powercreep

I’ve seen four stars clear all the content albeit the person who did was really strategic and had well built characters but if you play long enough you can guarentee a five star especially with how generous the game is

what i'm impress on 7:46 is, tingyun have a green HP

I did study one hour before exam and graduate my computer degree😂 Sad thing is ,i dont remember anything after that exam😂

If you're paranoid of powercreep then I think the most future proof thing you can do currently is to invest in universally good signatures Even if they are powercrept in the future they will still be way ahead of most 4-star lightcones. Got ruan mei's lightcone just recently and the sp gain is insane on top of the energy and dmg buffs and it will most likely never be replaced by a future 4-star lightcone. But that's only when considering clear-speed/meta, you will lose out on some cool characters in the long run if you're f2p like me.

Ah yes there is and it started becoming more of a thing after Acheron but for a turn based game this is a completely expected outcome we all knew it denying it that there is none is weird.

I think powercreep is real, recent DPS units have been better than old DPS units, same thing with sustains. That is undeniable. But I think people are "overblowing" the powercreep a little. You see, MOC has increased in difficulty to the point "brute force" isn't really an option for players anymore (unless you're a whale with Eidolons and Sig Cones). If your team can't properly use the current rotation buffs, then good luck lol. You can't just slap a hypercarry team into any side of any MOC without even reading the buffs like back in 1.x and expect to clear. Current rotation of MOC and AS favours break, so of COURSE break teams are going to get inflated into high heavens above all other teams. You see the huge numbers that Firefly is doing in MOC 12 and think its all her, when half of is the current rotation buffing break damage. You guys seems to be forgetting that. **TLDR:** if you're using a hypercarry team in a MOC rotation that is clearly NOT made for hypercarry then of COURSE you won't clear it! Its not because of powercreep, its because you need another team!

wdym, I did 3 stars cleared Apocalyptic Shadow 4 without RM , using my 3rd F2P account (made during Acheron release), all limited banners are E0S1 or lower. Power creep does exist, but even with those you can still pretty much clear most if not ALL content with 4 stars and standard banner units. The game is easy, IT AINT THAT DEEP. Don't think too hard and just enjoy the game...

3 words "Tectone Skill Issue"

Been playing day 1 as f2p lost 50/50 5 times, seele, our general, silver wolf, fu xuan, and now firefly. You win some u lose some, if u are wondering who the 50/50 loses are 4 bailu and 1 yangsh*t. Such is f2p

Ruan Mei is the best unit by far in the game, getting her E1 made my Jing Yuan look good, that's a chad achievement

Ppl just feel “power creep” because DoT teams are underwhelming this patch

Star rail has a slow but ever present powercreep. Numbers go up slightly in endgame all the time and new characters are progressivly getting stronger than the older ones.

My first time clearing it 3* was with the same teams i 0 cycle last moc 12 with, jingliu hypercarry and acheron team. No break team and didn't even read the boss buffs and still did it first try. Yes jingliu team struggled a bit but you can still brute force game modes as of now. No im not f2p but not a giga whale either.

Yeah there’s no way you can tell me that the Seele hypercarry team has the same output as superbreak, it’s just so much damage

How did we get like 6 videos off of Tectone not knowing how to manage his skill points enough to not do multiple non-ult basics with Firefly? Insane. Literally none of this happens if he just got 3 stars on AS, lmao.

The real argument is on how to define power creep. We must agree on the definition first before doing all of this. If not then it is just milking content. No real discussion.

As a low spender, I don't think it's too hard to have that many teams. I have dot, fua, and break rn. They all perform pretty well and just use whatever I feel like playing. Just up to you, how much u wanna grind relics

I think slow controled and well done powercreep is really healthy for a game, if they dont powercreep, you can look at Genshin that 80% of the characters are skippeable because you can use the same teams with the same supports forever since 1.0 (and i dont mean the same or lower in damage i mean in mechanics and gameplay) and if they do too much, whats the point of using a unit if 1 month later it will be useless. HSR has the healthy one, 2 years to feel a character feel somewhat behind is good (without eidolons, any dps you get his E2 and then this doesnt apply because its broken) because you will never should be in a position to feel stuck with the same team for more than a year and making it fresh and if for some reason u want to, you can pull their E2 and done welcome back. Thats why, in my case, I finally have all the pieces i need, so i will pull for 1 more character and i will just save for a long time(unless there is a support that helps my actual team) because i dont need more and here from 1 year later, i can say security with how HSR is doing, the new teams will have new mechanics like here from another universe of diference from todays (you can look 1.0 and how the teams are in 2.3 lol) My acheron team AOE for MOC, PF and AS (holy this was an amazing buy) and i will get certain fox to just fix my only problem with this team in all gamemodes, My Boothill team for MOC, AS (2 modes out of the way) and for the last spot, the funny thing is a Clara/Herta team that does very well and my last missing piece is just himeko and probably i will just pity her XD

Powercrept is Yukong

it didn't enter powercreep yet because it entered it 8 months ago with dan hang, then acheron and now firefly

As someone who started like 3 weeks ago, I just beat the last story and got caught up. Without Firefly, there is no way I'd have been able to beat up to now as easily as I have. I was able to beat the first snow area pretty easy with whoever, then the 2nd area was a ton harder until I pulled firefly and then I was clearing again. Even with her Pecony was still tough.

Queen Mei supremacy. :D

I skipped Acheron become​ i don't​ like stricted playstyle​ DPS And I also skipping Firefly too because​ Break team can be strong but easily countered by blocking mobs toughness and there is a boss in echo of war that immune to superbreak DMG only one boss in HSR doing this

The power creep of this game: Gallagher > Loucha, Built in element application > SW. My salty self would say Firefly > Dr. Numby, but super break power crept every comp in the game, which is the most worrying part for me. Star rail could definitely indirectly nerf super break, but given breaking shields is a core mech in the game, I do not know how likely that is. Something tells me every major patch (2.0, 3.0, etc) is going to introduce a new meta but its just a feeling, its only happened once.

How else will people keeping pulling if the difficulty stays the same? Even Genshin is slowly introducing power creep to win back players.

bruh ofc the mocs are different....the buffs change. So if you use a dot team on an moc that is actively working against dot...ofc youre gonna do worse....i swear this community.

As I believe that powercreep exists now, it doesnt mean that you cant beat the endgame content. Bro there's a dude on YT who has never summon on the account and he's beating content left and right with only the units that was given to him for free

Wait, you get buffs in Apoclyptic Shadow? How?

Respectfully, Teccy has a skill issue. Second, power-creep is when characters become obsolete, that definition doesn't apply to a single limited 5 star. Third, 2.0 units have a higher floor than 1.0 units, Acheron + Boothill + Firefly are better than Disappear among the sea of butterflies + The General + Emo dude however this is healthy, they're not obsolete but the meta is tangibly changing which makes it interesting and alive. Fourth, old characters have aged like fine wine, like Himeko, Herta, Topaz, Pela and so on. TLDR - Get gud baldy, Mei is the only "must pull", SW is mid/Pela clears, pull better (in all seriousness as it stands it isn't an issue imo and until i cant clear content with Blade it power-creep doesn't exist).

my dudes, a content creator has literally beaten the new mode and got 34* in MOC without freaking summoning. Yes there is powercreep, we get it. But there is plenty of power on the player's side as well. The only problem is that people want easy button and just auto MOC. I can do that with my e2s1 Firefly and Acheron. But if you just play the game and actually think, it's actually proven that you can clear all of end game as f2p.

Hsr only needs to patch older dps characters damage ceiling or remove their niche because their kit was built for the early version of the game. Now that bosses have 1m hp most of the early characters fall off in clearing compared to newer. As f2p, now that hsr is increasing difficulty I'm considering getting idolons of my favs instead of newer characters. This way older characters will sell on reruns

Really weird for people to put huge emphasis on tierlists while denying powercreep. Obviously newer units have easier access to higher numbers. Almost like, the only 5star worth rolling in 1.x is Ruan Mei. But I can understand them releasing 2 units per patch, they are are filling up the niches. Heck, Argenti/Misha hasn't got his premium support yet.

I think I would more of call it power gap than creep

Zmm cleared apocalyptic full star no RM, just all f2p characters

I've watched several videos of people who only use 4* characters to clear end game content with all rewards. Sure new units will always be stronger it has to sell but being F2P is not an excuse to not be able to clear content , even at low investment.

Here's the reality..."powercreep" can only exist through in game mechanics and not playable unit releases. For example, if enemies from now on have an effect stating they're immune to debuffs, acheron and DoT are dead. Not weaker, completely and utterly dead. If said enemeis instead have none-removable tougness lockout (like sam before combustion state) then firefly and even boothill somewhat as well as all other current break focused units (luka, sushang, xueyi etc...) would also be dead and yes even ruan mei in terms of her break focused aspects in her kit. And as we saw with the new gamemode, all standard crit based dps/hypercarries are essentially "dead" unless if they break toughness well and even then they do nothing UNTIL they actually break. Powercreep does absolutely exist but not in the way the community loves presenting it by telling everybody their older units are now allegedly dogshit just for zibes and cause there's a new toy on the block. Seele has been called "bad" and "useless" by people since DHIL to this day and yet, she's the only unit to clear every single final MOC floor with 0 cycles as E0S0 with ONLY 4 STARS on record yet people still dunk on her despite NEVER even playing a day with her and just parroting what they hear(seele ain't the only example but it's the most clear one of how clueless people are about this game sometimes). So, as it currently stands, powercreep with how the community describes it doesn't exist and not even close to existing. If it did in the way people deem it, then how come everyone's only gotten vastly better and stronger than their initial release...literally everyone.

Brute force does not exist.... Acheron E6S5 - Hold my beer.

People who complain about powercreep should take a look at Ruri Goko who cleared AS with only 4*s. If you can't clear with 5*s then it's purely a skill / teambuilding / brain issue even as a F2P.

37:04 clear any content just with 4 stars is just for flex. We always wanna to use our 5 stars characters.

its so easy to make break teams useless. Make a boss that disables its own break bars until you break his shield-oh wait

remember when RM came out and she was being compared to Bronya? lol

7:09 there is bad take, i'm F2P+ and my luck in lightcone suck, i lost 2 75/25, and just won 1, i play since 1.0. I just have E0S1 Acheron Jingliu and Ruan Mei E1. There is F2P players with more lightcones than me just for luck, but that is not normal.

Umm... Is anyone still use Natasha?

I don't have Ruan mei and never felt i need her . Im just breezing e0s0😂

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