Is Tom Bombadil mightier than Sauron?

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I remember much that has since been lost…
I remember the Three Rings, that were given to the Elves, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven were bestowed upon the Dwarf-Lords, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else desire power. For within these rings, was bound the strength and the will to govern each race.
But all of them were deceived, for another ring was made. In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, Sauron, the Dark Lord, forged in secret, a master ring to control all others and into this he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life. One ring to rule them all, to bind them all, to enslave all that lived in freedom under the stars, and bring to them the domination of the Dark Lord.
But deception breeds deception, and arrogance breeds failure. For there was one, who would not fall to the whispers of the One Ring. One being, who did not falter when confronted with the greatest weapon of the Enemy. One… to whom this plain, golden ring… was just that.
For even when wearing the One Ring upon his own finger… Tom Bombadil was the Master…
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@CloudSephiroth 10 месяцев назад

Tom would slap Sauron and say “Take that silly ring off- you look better without that jewelry.” Sauron would take off the ring, apologize and then sit in the corner with the Valar. The end.

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 10 месяцев назад

My Mom would have Sauron back in Mordor, cleaning everything until it was shiny and clean!

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester 10 месяцев назад

100 don't think even Melkor can stand against Tom

@bencalhoun 7 месяцев назад

@hugh.g.rection5906 6 месяцев назад

Then you would hear glass shatter and stone cold Steve Austins music blasts out across the land. Austin struts out with a purpose, gives Tom the stone cold salute and stunners him right there where he stands, turns to Sauron and gives him the same treatment before downing a few steveweisers. The End.

@tenpennygrim5884 5 месяцев назад

I always liked the idea that Tom was instead a part of the Song of Creation and therefore not like any of the angelic beings. His lands, as he defines them, are His part of creation. He was First and will be Last and nothing within those bounds can harm him.

@jordans4827 10 месяцев назад

I believe, if faced with a confrontation with Sauron, his body would fall... but Bombadil would re-spawn down the road as if nothing happened. He would whistle while marching all the way back to Sauron. And Sauron would know his control only goes so far.

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester 10 месяцев назад

Lmap Tom would own Melkor let alone his servant

@bigguy7353 8 месяцев назад

Not supported by lore. 🤷‍♂️

@patrickspalding8045 10 месяцев назад

I like the idea of Tom being a unintented byproduct of the song of creation just as ungolient is a unintended byproduct of the discord

@punkypinko2965 10 месяцев назад

Tom is just a mystery. He's not part of the pantheon on LOTR. There is no explanation for him. He's a fantasy creature come to life within a fantasy world.

@danielriley7380 10 месяцев назад

There is an obvious clue within what Tom says about himself, that coupled with a piece of trivia about Tolkien that provides more evidence than anything else. Tom says he is “eldest and fatherless”. If he is being honest about this he cannot be an Ainu, Eru is their father. Now Tolkien has explicitly said Tom is not Eru. So what’s older than Eru? Are you guessing “Tolkien!” That’s a red herring. Tom Bombadil was the name of a Dutch doll belonging to one of Tolkien’s children, and much as “Roverandom” was turned into story about Michael’s toy dog, Tolkien wrote a couple of poems about this doll. These poems became part of “The Adventures of Tom Bombadil”. It was only later Tolkien wrote the poem “The Voyage of Earendel the Evening Star”: the very first piece of writing set with the mythology of Arda. That means Earendil (the spelling changed) was the first character created but he was created *after* Tom. Similarly Eru, the Ainur, and Morgoth were all later creations. And now comes the twist. Tolkien’s bedtime story for Christopher becomes “The Hobbit” and is published to wide acclaim. Tolkien’s publishers push for more stories and Tolkien proposed more about Tom Bombadil (He was still very much more a poet than a novelist), but the publishers are adamant the readers want hobbits, elves, dwarves and dragons. So Tolkien sets about on his new story, incorporating his now expanded mythology but sneaking in Tom for what’s essentially a cameo appearance (just because he can, and he did have a roguish streak).

@punkypinko2965 10 месяцев назад

@@danielriley7380 Exactly. Eldest and fatherless. He is eldest because he was a character in a poem predating The Hobbit and LOTR. And he is fatherless, because he is not a creation of anything in the LOTR pantheon. Also, Tolkien said in one of his letters, I think 144, that Tom was an intentional enigma. All the people trying to figure out who Tom really was or is are just heading down a dead end. it would be like if Bigfoot appeared in The Hobbit, would we need to explain who created Bigfoot? No, it would just be a cameo appearance, like you said. Tom is a mythological figure within LOTR who just appears and is not really part of the story. He might as well have been a dream.

@zane4575 10 месяцев назад

@@punkypinko2965Cool, but Tom is a part of the story, so he must be a part of the story, for the story's sake if nothing else. Hence the theories.

@suspendedlgx7129 10 месяцев назад

He is a god bard , he may be a phantom who roams multiple universes taking different names and forms

@punkypinko2965 10 месяцев назад

@@suspendedlgx7129 Hello! That would be cool. Are you getting "God Bard" from his Magic the Gathering card? Have you read the JRR Tolkien poem "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil"? He's from a poem predating LOTR.

@JimmyMFP 9 месяцев назад

I always assumed Tom Bombadil is the biblical representation of JRRT himself in his own story. It would make sense that he would mentally inhabit a minor character to better understand his own universe; it’s a method I use in my own writings.

@scottsullivan6495 8 месяцев назад

nailed it.

@brandonmunro555 6 месяцев назад

I agree

@SliderFury1 5 месяцев назад

Always felt this was the case. The literal fantasy version of himself of he were to exist without sadness, regret, heartache, etc.

@j7a1k1e 5 месяцев назад

No Tolkien saw himself as Beren from the Silmarillion. Tom Bombadil is something else entirely. He was there before they Maya and Ainur. Tom Bombadil is probably a direct creation of Eru Iluvitar itself.

@Marleyjr00X 10 месяцев назад

I think Tom could indeed beat Sauron but he'd need a really good reason to fight him in the first place. The only thing I can think of is if Sauron attacked Tom's forest or messed with his wife is when it'd get real.

@coalcreekdefense8106 7 месяцев назад

If Sauron provoked him enough, I imagine Bombadil pulling a Bugs Bunny routine and mercilessly trolling Sauron until he just stormed off back to Mordor, huffing about how Bombadil wasn't worth his time.

@jennifervaughn1541 10 месяцев назад

I don’t think that Tom was what Gandolf is. Because Gandolf talked about how the ring would still take control of him. Tom was completely impervious to the ring, and Gandolf implied that he himself was not

@maximeb.6064 5 месяцев назад

Because Gandalf seeks knowledge and uses it to influence in the “good” direction. hence he is vulnerable to power?

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 10 месяцев назад

Enjoying all these varied opinions and views !!!!

@colcommissar23 10 месяцев назад

I fear the portions of the audio books that contain Tom's annoying singing with a cold dread that sauron cannot come close to rivaling.

@DD-sw1dd 10 месяцев назад

Tom would toy with Sauron like Bugs Bunny vs Elmer Fud.

@joeybakker1283 10 месяцев назад

I'd LOVE to see that animation!! 😂

@WaggaDaBagga 10 месяцев назад

Tom Bombadil, I can imagine, that he is: a form of Forest Gnome, (santa). He was good at singing, he was best friends with the animals and understood them, and spoke the same language. He said he was very old. Older than the forest itself. I think he was Eru himself in disguise. Because the ring didn't bite him. Tom was helping Frodo and Sam, in the forest, when the Nazgul came after them.

@UnseenHitman-1932 5 месяцев назад

Perhaps we have a Holy Trinity situation here. Nevermind Tolkien himself said he isn't Eru Illuvatar.

@WaggaDaBagga 5 месяцев назад

@@UnseenHitman-1932 ? Don't mix the Holy Christian Trinity into Tolkien Lore. Don't forget that Tolkien was a Catholic Christian. And used his "Faith" and create a fantasy universe. Eru Iluvatar is the Lord God in Tolkien's Fantasy Universe "Middle" Earth. He has created: "The Great Song". But Melkor(a Vala) made his own song. Eru was there before everything came into being and is very old, older than the forest, and he can certainly understand animals and talk to them. And the ring does not affect Eru himself. Only his children. Tom Bombadill is not Eru's child, because the ring does not affect him. Tom sang and smiled. I can imagine that Eru has the ability to disguise himself, if he wants to. Nothing is impossible for God, my Lord, the Almighty Heavenly Father. And since Eru is the God in the Tolkien Lore universe. I reckon that nothing is impossible for him. Tom is not human and not a spirit. But within him (the soul) the spiritual within him. He has a beautiful wife. (She who is responsible for the trees, the light in Arda) these Melkor destroyed. So some elves didn't see the light so they turned grey.

@ML-my8qq 10 месяцев назад

I loved the lead up to the link for the Who’s Tom video. Well done

@ArtistBrianSheffield 8 месяцев назад

Tom was outside of the Valar. Tom made the Valar. Tom Bombadil is Tolkien inside the story. Why did Tolkien make this character? I think he did it as a joke. Just a whimsy of imagination? I can imagine Tolkien laughing at the thought of himself in the story. The one that made it all up. That is why Bombadil was written in as a mystery.

@PrometheanRising 7 месяцев назад

Bombadil pre-exists the story. He exists in a different story that Tolkien wrote. He then weaved the character into his wider world.

@j7a1k1e 5 месяцев назад

Tom is not Tolkien's self insert character. That honor belongs to Beren.

@fostermoody 10 месяцев назад

Tom is a visitor/immigrant from another story, a fairy tale. The ring is deeply part of the narrative of Arda, a high fantasy with themes of good and evil and deep history, whereas Tom is a silly man from a silly story for kids. If Sauron attacked his realm with armies he could resist for a time, but Tom would eventually take Goldberry and leave for a story that wasn't so dreary.

@pharaohsmagician8329 8 месяцев назад

I like this answer alot! Sometimes life is like that, people prefer peace even if it means inaction and not helping the people suffering even if it you have the means to help. But who can really blame someone for avoiding a war

@forest6110 10 месяцев назад

There are some very subtle clues in Tolkien’s writing of the council and such. Tom would be ‘last’, could not stand alone. Overall kind and jolly as he is, to know the world around him had been emptied of joys and beauty would damage his spirit, draining him of his wonderful will. But while his world without and within were still intact, I don’t believe Sauron would have any ability to harm Tom. He is more an element than a creature. Like life and death, matter and thought, Tim simply is.

@nikopawlowic6557 8 месяцев назад

I'm gonna say that Tom Bombadill was really an avatar of Eru Eluvatar, or at the very least someone who truly understood Eru Eluvatar's true wishes, and also perhaps the essence of joy of Eru. Call him a secret creation of Eru so that even He could experience what life is like in his own creation. Of course, my other thought would be, that he is one of the lost blue wizards... but then again, who the heck knows? Maybe he's just someone who is one of absolute truth strength and love of the world, and just doesn't care for evil.

@PrometheanRising 7 месяцев назад

Tolkien denied this in a letter.

@Burnt_Toast_ 6 месяцев назад

@@PrometheanRising You're misquoting the letter. He did not say that

@nopisful 4 месяца назад

Interesting

@disgruntledtoons 8 месяцев назад

From the viewpoint of what Bombadil does for the narrative, he shows that the world is much older and broader and deeper than it appears to the characters through whose eyes we see it. There are things that simply don't fit our categories. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

@jonesyfromtheblock9635 3 месяца назад

If Sauron ever would stand before Tom. Tom would just laugh and ask him if he needs directions.

@isiahwashington2999 10 месяцев назад

Tom seems immortal and impervious to evil. As if anything attempted to harm him is not going to be effective. He was the perfect being in that he had achieved nirvana of simple living in the natural world. At ease and always in peace. I doubt anything could harm him.

@jeffreyfrye1811 10 месяцев назад

I tend to believe that Tom is Arda, or at least the personification of the forest since the forest stretched over most of Arda in the beginning as the Music of the Ainur first sung it. I believe this is why he sings, why he stays in his realm. Still singing the song that made him. This is why he has no desire for bending others to his will, only to observe because Arda observes all that happens on it, but has no ontrol over what happens to it.

@johns1625 10 месяцев назад

That is certainly more simple and a more likely explanation than he's just one of the Ainur that went into Arda independently. Lmao.

@svenlauke1190 10 месяцев назад

he is basically the antithesis to Ungolianth. Both are Ancient, both come from somwhere outside of regular creation, but he is there for conservation, while Ungolianth is destruction

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 10 месяцев назад

Kinda seems if the Dark gets mighty Beasts of Darkness, the Good Guys should get some Heroes too =) @@svenlauke1190

@bigguy7353 8 месяцев назад

@@johns1625Doesn't hold up.

@bigguy7353 8 месяцев назад

@@svenlauke1190No, because Tom is unique while it is clearly described that things like Ungoliant are numerous in the darkness.

@logansfury 10 месяцев назад

There are a lot of theories about Tom, I found what made most sense to me is he is a particularly mighty Maia, perhaps even more so than Melian was when she dwelt as Thingol's companion in Doriath. I think he is inherently more powerful than Sauron, based on the Ring not being able to alter Tom's being into an invisible state, and only because of his life of seclusion did Gandalf and Elrond believe him to be vulnerable to Sauron. As he did not spend the ages building a machine of war and evil armies, I think the White Council believed Tom would simply be overrun and beaten down by sheer numbers of foes. It's fascinating to imagine a final conflict between Tom and Sauron, with Sauron and all his remaining wraiths, balrogs, and trolls coming in unified strength at Tom. It would make an epic, but tragic tale.

@swampmonster4935 10 месяцев назад

Could Tom be the actual spirit of middle earth?

@yggdrasild755 10 месяцев назад

Yes, or he and Goldberry could be elves/ancestral spirits

@tinman67641 10 месяцев назад

I think along that line too. Gandalf said, “ I think not. I think that in the end if all else is conquered Bombadil will fall, Last as he was first, then night will come.” I think while Sauron was still held back, Middle Earth,(Tom), could still live. But if Sauron gained the mastery the spirit of Middle Earth would die. He is part of the music as mentioned by others. My opinion only.

@svenlauke1190 10 месяцев назад

that's like asking if a cloud is mightier than a machine gun. the cloud just doesn't care

@Horsemen4deth 6 месяцев назад

I think Tom is the human version of Eru Ilúvatar. Hiding within the very world he made.

@learicist 8 месяцев назад

mmmyyyyaaaaaaaannnnddd subscribed.

@peterang6912 10 месяцев назад

Problem Bombadil have is that he is connected to a little part of Middle Earth.. his wife say that to the hobbits... and Gandalf say that at the council...

@j7a1k1e 5 месяцев назад

Tom Bombadil is a poem character that Tolkien wrote for the Oxford Magazine before his wider Silmarillion stories. The character in LOTR is entirely a call back to his earlier work and more of a cross-over character than a being of Arda. He needed a Deus Ex Machina sort of character and used the funny, light-hearted character from his poems. In fact, Tom Bombadil is so unimportant to the world of Arda that he doesnt even have a Silmarillion entry. If Tom were inportant to the story, we would know more about him.

@W1ckedRcL 10 месяцев назад

Hypothesis: Tom is a manifestation of Arda itself. Nature given an avatar via the latent magic leftover from the Song of the Ainur.

@PlagueOfGripes 8 месяцев назад

As he's more of a nod to prior work and a reference than an actor in the story, I don't think he has a place in the hierarchy. He seems more like a visiting power that has no authority in middle earth but also is not affected by its problems.

@Jim-Mc 10 месяцев назад

Tom adds realism, and thats how I interpret Tolkien's comment about him: as in the real world (especially for religious people like Tolkien) some things are too big for human understanding, and Tolkien included Tom to create a sense of unfathomable bigness.

@mm-yt8sf 10 месяцев назад

it reminds me of a book i read on the intelligence of dog breeds..it drew a distinction between intelligence and what humans often equate with intelligence, trainability/usefulness, but it said that a dogs vary in both intelligence and the desire to please humans, so one that doesn't care what we think might not be very trainable, but still very perceptive. so a creature could be extremely powerful, but if not concerned with rulership then not claim any dominion over lands and peoples. he seems to be like that...powerful but not like a king. he banished an undead but didn't go out of his way to crusade against all undead and get rid of them. i wonder why he liked the hobbits...it seems like he has an appreciation of "good" character and isn't neutral to the point of being cold and detached from everything..

@pattenam 10 месяцев назад

Hot Take: when the earth was sung into existence Tom Bombadil came into being as a result. This is why he can draw such power from song and why he lives where he does. Both song and the land in its most natural form are weaved into his being. Without either, Tom would not exist. If you teleported Sauron at his most powerful to Tom Bombadil during the earliest days of the world then Sauron could do nothing to harm Bombadil. And while Tom could no doubt curb stomp Sauron if he so chose, he would probably not want to do any more than than sing the dark lord into a really long sleep. However, if Sauron were given the chance to corrupt enough of the land--much as Saruman did to the Shire--then Bombadil's power would wane and he would eventually succumb to the forces of evil (and over-industrialization).

@itzybitzyspyder 10 месяцев назад

Perhaps the corruption of the land was intended to weaken Tom Bombadil.

@neme6ben 8 месяцев назад

Its pretty much what i thjnk, just like ungoliant imo, she came into being with the song, created alongside the world, by the corruption of melkor,s twisted verses

@inmyopinion_3672 10 месяцев назад

I've always thought of him as the embodiment of the First Song before it became corrupted by Melkor. I don't think he would have control over Sauron as Sauron existed before the First Song. In Arda, he is the first and the last.

@WickedPrince3D 10 месяцев назад

Tom almost certainly was just a Maiar like Melian. Inside her own forest she was so powerful that even Morgath couldn't find it.

@overlord580 10 месяцев назад

He was Ainur or Tolkien himself.

@WickedPrince3D 10 месяцев назад

@@overlord580 people have conjectured both - or that he was an avatar of Eru himself - but I doubt that this was Tolkien's intent. I just suspect he was another Maiar like Melian who was very strong in his domain. Melian's connection to HER forest, and Sauron's connection to HIS ring suggest that Maiar who form a strong connection of some sort gain power at the expense of greater vulnerability if something happens to the thing/place they are connected to. It's been suggested that the hunter Vala Orome's horse and dog were Maiar that had taken those forms to serve him, and they seem to have had greater power when working with Orome as they didn't falter in the battles with Melchor. Then again Tolkien was known to do things for story purpose and not think them through until later.

@YourOldUncleNoongah 10 месяцев назад

I do honestly believe that TB is a by-product of all that is good and honest. Like as if he is made up of the "left-overs" ... the most fundamental elements of good, that originally came from Eru Illuvatar into all existence. I do think the Nameless things are much the same. They are left-overs of the purest form of Hate, Anger and what would be perceived as "evil" given form.

@MountainFisher 10 месяцев назад

I find it odd that no one seems to know where or what the 'nameless things' were or came from. Read Ainulindale towards the end where Melkor names Ea as his own kingdom in its beginning. Many spirits followed him and they became the 'nameless things' as is implied in Of The Enemies in the Valaquenta. It says he was not alone for many of the Maiar in the days of his greatness before he squandered it in fighting the other Vala with the worst being the Balrogs who even defeated Ungoliant.

@shawn092182 10 месяцев назад

I disagree. Tolkien's Legendarium has never shown nor implied the existence of the physical manifestation of an abstract concept.

@MountainFisher 10 месяцев назад

@@shawn092182 Better way of putting it. Like I said many spirits followed Melkor in the very beginning, Ungoliant was one of these corrupted by evil and Melkor. She would have devoured him if the balrogs didn't come to his rescue, that is how much power he had lost. The nameless things are not manifestations of leftover bad emotions like hate, for emotions come from beings, beings that were spirits of corruption caused by following Melkor.

@jimmmmy41 10 месяцев назад

Maybe Bombadil represents an ultimate expression of individual liberty, in that, a free man is master of himself. In a war torn Europe, the casting off of tyrannical rule (Sauron) in place of democracy was what WWI was largely about. Constitutions would come to replace monarchs. Tolkien's life was greatly impacted by that struggle. Bombadil is an 'everyman' literary device. His realm is himself, and he is the only master.

@siriusleelost377 8 месяцев назад

I don't know how much research WotC did when they made the LotR cards for magic the gathering, but I found it amusing that Tom was classified as a Bard God on his card. Considering that the whole of Middle Earth's creation story is that of one big song, it's interesting to entertain the idea that a bardic deity would be as powerful in this world than others. Tom doesn't get effected by the ring simply cause he wasn't vibing to it

@Richardwhiskey23 10 месяцев назад

That opening got a comment and a sub. For the algorithm gods

@sampetrie340 10 месяцев назад

If all of Sauron’s “cruelty, malice, and will to dominate”, (in the form of the one ring) were not enough to effect Tom Bombadil, what could he bring to bear on Tom that WOULD effect him? Absent those motivations, why would Sauron care or bother to fight Tom? I picture Sauron without cruelty, malice, or will to dominate as an empty shell, immobile.

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 10 месяцев назад

He transcended the EGO !!! He is completely free of ego behavior and just feels love at all times. Tom didnt have power over everything in his realm. He didnt NEED power over anything. He didnt desire power over anything.....it wasnt His forest or His realm. Tom was simply part of all. He was completely free of bad behavior and emotions. Sauron would look the mighty champion, menacing and powerful..........until Tom starts singing Love and Forgiveness. Sauron would never have been able to handle the "Sound of Light and Love" and would have been driven away, possibly diminished in power again for 2000-3000 years? His darkness wouldnt work on Tom as Tom is beyond that, as evidenced by wearing the ring.

@mitche5007 10 месяцев назад

The answer is obviously yes, Tom is the avatar of eru iluvatar.

@steffanofumo 5 месяцев назад

What people don’t understand is Tom could not keep the ring for the story to unfold, thus narratively we are given only speculation by in-universe characters that themselves have no idea of the true nature of Tom that he would fall to Sauron, but that’s all it was speculation, and very clever writing to justify to the reader why didn’t they just give Tom the ring.

@thegreatandpowerfulaahz8862 7 месяцев назад

Tom is Tolkien himself enjoying his world 😊

@differous01 8 месяцев назад

And Eru made the Ainur, and "spoke to them propounding to them themes of music" [Ainulindale] Heydol!

@cambuxton6835 5 месяцев назад

Possibly. But he kind of is a little bit forgetful too. Remember Tolkien himself said he probably would have forgotten he had the ring eventually.

@jstout333 5 месяцев назад

Hmm. I was always thinking along the lines of Tom Bombadil having something to do with the Shire and maybe even the ancestry of the Baggins family.

@LUPINEMAXX 10 месяцев назад

Going all the way back to the Silmarillion, Sauron standing alone (with no minions around him) was kind of a punk-ass wimp among strong characters.

@kirbymarchbarcena 10 месяцев назад

SAURON: My master taught me how to do gangsta rap against those choral music of the Valar TOM: Let's rap battle to the tattle.

@jaimeduncan6167 8 месяцев назад

I agree , but with some note. If Sauron went after Tom. Tom will kick his proverbial. But if Sauron first conquer and corrupt Earth and then go after Tom , Tom will fall.

@user-nj5bd8ly1y 4 месяца назад

I'm sure Tom would have a song for Sauron! If push came to a shove. :)

@urdnal 5 месяцев назад

Tom just wants to chill in the woods, smoke [pipe]weed and boink Goldberry when it suits them both.

@Paul-tp9vf 6 месяцев назад

Tom is Tolkien, the storyteller, and so he is master of all.

@3jasonwebb 7 месяцев назад

I think in some way Tom is analogous to Ungoliant. Ungoliant was intimately connected to Melkor's Envy. "She descended from the darkness that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe," Somehow or other she is a personal substantiation of Melkor's envy. I think in someway Tom is a personal substantiation of the other Valar's love and delight and understanding of Arda. They sang Arda into existence-thus Tom's singing everything. They delighted in its existence and they understood it completely. The source of Tom's power. They were not merely Lords of it they were the powers in it's very fibers. Ungoliant ended up living in a forested valley that was treacherous to navigate. Tom lived in a forest that was treacherous to navigate.

@sohamkar1846 3 месяца назад

As per rumours for the new season of rings of power, it says Tom Bombadil is actually morgoth repenting 😅

@zane4575 10 месяцев назад

I got the impression Tom was nature, if not the world itself.

@hatuletoh 10 месяцев назад

Tom Bombadil is in some ways a frustrating character. As readers we want to know more, and as readers who sympathize with the protagonists we want him to be moved to apply his clealry considerable power toward helping the forces of good. But that's not who or what he is, and just like the characters in the story, we have no choice but to take Tom on his own terms.

@maximus3160 10 месяцев назад

In a word, Sauron

@msofronidis 8 месяцев назад

Tom (if it can be expressed like this) simply IS. That is what Tolkien says through Tom wife's words. He is not the Master of anyone else but HIMSELF. He is fully master of himself and that is why all materialization of the physical realm hold no power on him. Becuase he is the master of his being and nothing else can hold mastery of any apsect of himself. Gandalf in the counsil of Elrond mentions Tom would loose interest in the ring if it was to be given in Tom's keep. He would forget about it as no connection to his existence can be created.

@NoneofyourBusiness-iv6pi 8 месяцев назад

Technically yes but has no care for such things long enough to make a difference. He would lose the one ring if it was ever given to him because he just would not care about it in the long run

@andrewwolff2161 10 месяцев назад

I think there needs to be a differentiation between power and mastery/control. Tom Bombadil has power because of his mastery of his environment. His range has dwindled, a symbol that he is no longer able to master or control as great Of an area. Alternatively, Sauron has great power, and desires mastery over the world. Indeed if power alone can cause mastery of the world he would have done so. But as is evident by the overthrowing of his power with meekness of the hobbits, power alone cannot master all. I believe a head to head face-off between Sauron and Tom would have ended in Tom’s destruction, but that is not how either of the characters work. Sauron would rather have intruded and slowly eaten away at Tom’s dominion until Tom was left with nothing left to master, and would then himself dwindle to nothing.

@grahamedwards9920 10 месяцев назад

I think the conclusion reached here is correct - the wisdom of the Council of Elrond was that Tom could not have stood before the Dark Lord. His power extended to his own domain and while he was not affected by the One Ring while in his own domain he also had no power over it and while there was a suggestion that it be sent to him for safe keeping there is no suggestion that he could destroy the ring but only delay, for a time, it’s discovery. Tom is an anomaly, the most puzzling character perhaps but i see no evidence to suggest that the powers he had were of a kind or indeed great enough to have defeated Sauron. I vote with the Council of Elrond.

@BB-tm3sx 8 месяцев назад

This makes me want to see Jack Black as Tom @7:34

@magusmelanie828 7 месяцев назад

I feel like Tom was born before the maring of Arda - which is why the ring has no effect, and he can command the willow and wright's

@karlrichardson3295 10 месяцев назад

We both know the stronger Chuck Norris

@lacrosseman02 6 месяцев назад

A lot of people think Tom Bombadil was Tolkien's attempt to insert himself into the story somehow, so... in that regard, Tom might benefit from the world's strongest plot armor.

@j7a1k1e 5 месяцев назад

Tom was less of a self-insert and more of a call back to some of Tolkien's earliest publications and work. He's literally not a being of Arda. Entirely unimportant to the story. A Deus Ex Machina that was only ever used for LOTR.

@Brian13-nz4pv 5 месяцев назад

I think Tom was an aspect of the earth. Like a mother nature figure given form. He was the first and would be the last.

@Joybuzzard 7 месяцев назад

Would things be better or worse and for whom if Bombadil had taken the ring from Frodo?

@RaphaelRavenwing 10 месяцев назад

Okay, but he'd make a better carrier than even a hobbit. Should have dragged his sorry butt along for the ride.

@jasonbennett9957 10 месяцев назад

Tom Bombadil could J.R.Tolkein as a cameo to his own story

@itzybitzyspyder 10 месяцев назад

Tom is the personification of stoic power.

@nopisful 4 месяца назад

Tom wouldn't even be interested in Sauron.

@billg858 5 месяцев назад

We just gonna ignore that faramir wasn't for a second tempted to take the ring?

@matthewsands3591 10 месяцев назад

Glorfindel implied that Sauren would only defeat Tom after he had destroyed all of the natural world around him and all free people first. Then and only then would Tom fall, last as he was the first. If Sauren attempted to attack Tom without first achieving destruction of the nature around him then Tom would have the power and will to repeal him and protect his lady and his home. But Sauren that had achieved victory over all else and was able to destroy and burn the world around Tom would then be able to defeat Tom.

@C_H_U_ 8 месяцев назад

No. Just no. Glorfindel doesn’t even know the capacity of both Tom or Sauron. He was merely speculating.

@patchinthebox 7 месяцев назад

I always assumed Tom was sung into existence by the ainur, if not an ainur himself. He can accomplish so much through song alone it makes sense that he would be an ainur, or created by them at the least. Maybe he is a lesser one who chose to enter Arda and live there in seclusion.

@marccucciardo5955 10 месяцев назад

He doesn't turn invisible simply because he's not mortal.

@thenaturalmidsouth9536 7 месяцев назад

He was one of the Maiar gone native.

@richardmather1906 10 месяцев назад

No one who could control the Ring would turn invisible.

@thomassmith6232 10 месяцев назад

Tolkien talked about this. If Sauron had been triumphant, he would have destroyed the natural world, and there would be no place for Tom. He would be the last, as he was first, but in the end he would fall.

@isiahwashington2999 10 месяцев назад

What does Tolkien know about Middle Earth? I was about to make an even sillier joke but at times I wonder if Tolkien actually created this world or did it come to him from some other reality. So rich and complex it seems impossible to actually create.

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester 10 месяцев назад

Sauron is a mere fly to Tom. It's the Forrest that gives Tom power however he's the spirit of Arda while his Forrest stands nothing beats Tom but Tom can't be everywhere at once. Also it's not that Tom would Fall in battle but he would leave arda because ALL he loves would be gone

@myguitar5724 5 месяцев назад

I think Tom Bombadil, whatever he was, offered some hope to the Hobbits, and maybe add some relief to the readers, not make everything so dire and ominous. There was still some good left in Middle-Earth.

@joshhodkinson9677 5 месяцев назад

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins would wipe the floor with both of them combined. She’d beat them to death with her collection of spoons.

@BlackPawGaming 10 месяцев назад

Tom is like Tolkien in the book.

@Wyrdsmythe007 5 месяцев назад

Tom Bombadil is Mirth. As Saron was a vestige of cruelty, so was Tom to represented the Mirth of the world. As stated, Mirth wouldn't survive in Saron's domain. And I still believe that Tom Bombadil is nothing more than Tolkien appearing in his own creation - as Mirth.

@SliderFury1 5 месяцев назад

I mean, Tom is no warrior but Sauron could take physical form and Kamehameha blast him with all of his power at once and Tom would be like, "Stooooop, that tickles!" 😂

@PrometheanRising 7 месяцев назад

If Tom is Tolkien, he is Tolkien untouched by war. The graves from the great battles border him, but have no power over him. Part of his meaning seems to be that for all the great drama, death, and destruction, somewhere life goes on.

@PrometheanRising 7 месяцев назад

Here's a random thought. He and Goldberry are also a sort of foreshadowing that all will not remain untouched in the Shire. Tolkien wants an untouched element, but he already knows what will happen to the Shire. In fact, the ring itself has already happened to the Shire, but when he brings it to Tom it has no effect. Tom remains untouched.

@Camel9991 9 месяцев назад

"He is."

@claireglory 2 месяца назад

he will not fight. he will just allow sauron to take over him if he can. because even if he lose, he knows all things will all come to a balance, and someday, someone will make the scale balance again and take out sauron.

@matthedrick6456 7 месяцев назад

Is Tom Bombadil mightier than Sauron? Yes, Yes he is.

@Michaelpatrickwarren 10 месяцев назад

Don't get me wrong, I love these theories, but this is insane.

@TheDarthSoldier 10 месяцев назад

I believe Tom came out of the corrupted song and was the good side of the song incarnate

@johnstevens9673 10 месяцев назад

Old Tom would have taken a dump on Sauron.

@matt54892 6 месяцев назад

Imagine exploiting powerful ring's power to rule part of the world and being mad about someone creating more powerful ring to rule you

@andrewgremba1450 6 месяцев назад

I imagine Tom with a mobster Irish accent just bitch slapping the piss out of Sauron whilst belittling him with insults to his silly armor and weak magic. "Ohhh not so tough now are ya, Sorry Ann?" Palm SLAP! "Yer cheap tin coat looks like a pile of moldy shite" BACK HAND BITCH SLAP "and yer fancy little rings, they look like tiny cawkrings" SLAP! "Now hold still whilst I give ya the Theon Greyjoy treatment."

@alb8758 7 месяцев назад

I enjoy this sort of video but frankly the voices are unnecessary

@frankmueller2781 10 месяцев назад

Sauron also wears the One Ring without becoming invisible, or at least has the power to do so at his will. I believe Tom to be a servant (if an AWOL one) of Yavanna

@sabrecatsmiladon7380 10 месяцев назад

What if Sauron brings an evil army of 50,000 Orcs, Trolls and other nasties to raze the forest and burn it to the ground. What does Tom do?

@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester 10 месяцев назад

Sing them till they die.

@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76 10 месяцев назад

Sauron only has power on those who have fucks left to give. Tom was born without fucks

@darklordkrator 14 дней назад

Tom bombadil is a merry fellow he was here when the first rain drop fell and the first star fluttered before even the valar came to dwell in aman in all likelihood Tom bombadil is and has always just been so yes he is 💯 more powerful then Sauron but he would never fight him cause he’s just a merry fellow